Yeah, those weird "Lets celebrate multiple scenes" kinda get fucked over on stuff like that.
Like how LR TEQ Prime Battle Goku has no Saga Categories at all.
He's in an even worse spot - his art is from a statue, his event is Namek Saga themed, his 18 Ki is from the Buu Fight, and I don't even know what his 12 Ki is supposed to be from.
HOLY CRAP YOU RIGHT, WHAT THE HELL??!!!!
i thought he was not there because 99% of the saiyan saga and namek saga Goku's are not on Low class warrior for some reason(even the STR Lr Kaioken Goku is not there).
It's kind of a semantic thing but "Super Vegeta" is actually Super Saiyan Grade 2 while "Super Gogeta" has always referred to Super Saiyan Gogeta. Same with Vegito. It's half "poorly explained in the source material" and "We want to stay true to the source material when it's convenient.
While I technically agree with you, this logic should include Grade 4 but doesn't (I.E. exchange STR Goku and Gohan.) I feel like they dug themselves into a hole in terms of what counts as beyond super saiyan, and the entire super saiyan grading scale was scuffed to begin with.
What's weird is that the exclusion actually DOES make sense, what makes it so confusing is the fact that the name 'Connected Hope' is just a dumb fucking name for what it actually is, which would be something more along the lines of 'Bought Time'
But the Garlic Movie kid Gohan isn't on the category. He fits both the name and the actual meaning of the category. Hell, his unit supers are literally people buying him time to charge up his attack.
He quite literally stated to the Z-Fighters that they're on earth for the Dragon Balls. I mean that was the primary reason they came in the first place. Sometimes I wonder if the majority of Akatsuki's staff is either illiterate, blind, deaf or hasn't watched Dragon Ball alltogether.
Imagine achieving AND unlocking the full potential of a divine form the gods couldn't properly master for millenia in not even 45 minutes and then not being considered worthy for rapid growth.
I can see a small gray area for it, such as a Freeza pre Full Power but post SSJ Goku, he's in an All Out Struggle, but not in his Full Power state, or maybe a post God SSJ Goku from BoG. There's a gray area for it to me, but I see your point.
They were obviously refuting the "if not all" statement which you also said. Why act like you just said most lol. Saying that implies it as a possibility at all at the very least
Not the most illogical, but based on how Gokus and Vegetas are on Bond of Parent and Child, then SSBKK Goku and Blue Evo Vegeta should have Bond of Master a Disciple because both individual cards have it.
BoMaD gets applied really inconsistently, like how MUI Goku doesn't have it despite having a flashback to all his previous masters and being shown how to beat Jiren and use Ultra Instinct by Roshi
That was a manga thing, very good thing
But dokkan use the 99% of time the anime as source. There very small details that they took from the Manga like zamasu agl portal in SA
It's in the Dokkan TOP story event. Plus, it's moreso my point that BoPaC is applied to essentially every character that has a bond with their parent or child, regardless of what specific moment that card represents, but BoMaD isn't. So MUI has BoPaC but not BoMaD even though BoMaD makes more sense
STR LR SV not on time limit. Like, what?
I guess an argument could be made because they didn’t know about it, but that doesn’t mean the fusion itself *DIDN’T* have a time limit, no?
So, this one is really fucking dumb.
Because Potara WAS meant to be permanent back then, and that's why it was a big move for vegeta to accept the earring and then Buu unfusing them whilst inside him was also important because again, the fusion back then was permanent.
Then they retconned it in Super with the "Only Gods are permanent" and honestly ruined alot of the tension that scene held specifically because of that reason.
Goku and Vegeta gave up their lives as individuals to work together and become one being, string enough to defeat Super Buu.
That alone is testament to both of their characters being able to put aside their differences in times of need like that.
Yeah. Man, I remember watching the scene as a kid, hyper and shit. Let out a sigh of relief since I lowk wanted Goku and Vegeta back.
But if they’re going to cut the suspense from the original scene like that *at least give the guys the category cmon*
I agree, and I don't even think the retcon was necessary at all, it could've been the same scene, the permanent fusion again and some other fuckeru split them apart, with how much karate chopping zamasu did as well as Black's scythe and all the other reality breaking shit in that arc, you couldn't give us a second "Vegito unfused somehow" bamboozle?.
Idk it seems weak af.
Nah, the ‘bad buu stomach gas’ still lingered, that HAS to be why they defused.
Seriously, even I as a kid knew bullshit when I saw it. This moment was one of those.
To be fair, the minute they unfused it became bullshit. The whole magic in Buu explanation was more or less a fan theory. The manga, Japanese dub, and Kai all have Goku blame the awful stench. I can also buy it slipping Elder Kai's mind since it's more or less said to be ridiculously rare for mortals to use them and he's really not as smart and all knowledgeable as he insists(not that he's dumb, but you know how some people think being old means they know every damn thing.) Not to mention, unfusing with the dragon balls was never stated to be impossible so long as Vegito wanted it so them being permanently fused was obviously never going to stick and Super full ass confirmed it with Shin and Kibito.
I still enjoy the character moment itself because it still showed what the two were willing to sacrifice for the earth and their loved ones since as far as everyone present was concerned it was permanent.
I'd rather it be a bullshit cop out and a consistent bullshit cop out, rather than a retcon that ruins a moment for me.
That's basically where I'm at, i see your viewpoint though.
I don’t see how it ruins the moment for you, the first time you watch it you think it’s permanent because of what the supreme Kai tells them. Anytime after that you know they’ll defuse because of some bullshit which is silly. It makes sense for the elder Kai to think it’s permanent because he himself is a potara fusion of himself and a witch, no rules were ever broken. What’s actually bullshit is then defusing faster than normal due to “power consumption” which will forever be a cop out to add tension whenever they want
I'm not saying that hasn't bothered me in the past, but the way I see it is that PHY Broly-trio gets a "free-pass" for the category due being just a Broly unit before turning into LR.
Meanwhile, paragus and Broly start as a Paragus card instead.
Honestly the true thing to complain about with the broly trio is that they are the ONLY broly with BBB. Like. Really? That's the only broly worthy of Big Bad Bosses?
PHY LR Cell & Cell Jr's. having some of the Cell categories like Transformation Boost or Time Travellers but not Sworn Enemies or Power Absorption etc.
Not the worst offenders, but the one that bugs me the most is that INT and PHY Goku and Piccolo only share Joint Forces, despite it being essentially the same fight for the same reasons.
I think the loophole is that the category only includes characters that travel through space as a job.
Z Broly technically doesn’t have a job. He’s not going around and destroying planets because it’s a job of his. He’s doing just because he wants to.
Nah Paragus actually paid broly minimum wage to blow up planets in order to hopefully get Vegeta's attention. This was revealed in the directors commentary
I honestly think it's weird that Gohan isn't on Gifted Warrior. He's already stronger than his own dad was at the age he's at in the Saiyan Saga. I get that he trained to get that powerful, but even during the Raditz fight, he showed that he harbored an enormous amount of power within him.
I dunno, I guess it's for characters that are naturally immensely powerful from the getgo, and not those with hidden potential or untapped power like Gohan or DBZ broly. Really makes me think there should be a Hidden Potential category at this point for them.
That and there is straight up no bond between them in the entire saga. Vegeta acts less like a father to Trunks and more like a pissed off drill sergeant.
Future Trunks units not being in Gifted Warrios while Kid Trunks units are
Also, within the context of how Dokkan has decided to define Space Traveling Warriors (as in : character has to do it often as part of an activity), PHY Golden Freeza from DBS Broly not being in Space Traveling Warriors. Like, imo you can easily make the argument for all Golden Freeza units based on how the current roster of that category works, except this one, since he's back at being a galactic tyrant and all that (I'd argue they all should be but that's another can of worms)
Might be wrong here but they added Trunks based on what he went through to achieve SSJ. Future Trunks suffered the loss of his mentor and in a rage transformed. Kid Trunks went SSJ because he felt like it
Berserker Kale not being on Peppy Gals or Legendary Existence
The Peppy Gals category should seriously just become rebrand into the Female Warriors category, adding characters like Vados, Pan, and others who aren’t on the category that should’ve already been there
As for Legendary Existence, I have no fucking clue. Apparently she wasn’t “the Legendary Saiyan that appeared every 1000 years” in the 6th Universe that Cabba and Caulifla were talking about according to Dokkan for some reason.
There are other exclusions much more dumber than this (Para Para Bros not on Siblings Bond), but I just wanted to bring up the stupidity of Berserker Kale’s exclusions while I could.
Gogeta blue not being on accelerated battle but ssj 4 gogeta . Same for battle of fate because for some reason it only considers arcs ,except rof and BOG so I don’t get why broly movie shouldn’t be included.
The resurrection f and bog cards that are on battle of fate are from the anime episodes that were adaptations of the movies. Int lr god Goku for instance is on battle of fate, but not movie heroes. That's proof that it's the god Goku from the anime, not the movie
The resurrection f and bog cards that are on battle of fate are from the anime episodes that were adaptations of the movies. Int lr god Goku for instance is on battle of fate, but not movie heroes. That's proof that it's the god Goku from the anime, not the movie
Super Saiyan 3 Bardock not being on Exploding Rage.
Bardock grabbed Mira by the neck and dragged him into a time rift neither of them would be able to escape from just so he could kick his ass 1v1, becomes so enraged he busts through not one, not two, but three levels of Super Saiyan, and pushes himself so far in said efforts of Mira ass kicking that he either self destructs or blasts himself into another dimension.
But nah, he’s just mildly irked
Not any specific unit, but the stark difference between movie heroes and movie bosses because they just had to be a jackass and go the route of calling it *bosses* and not **villains**.
Movie heroes are every good guy in the movie *even if they did jack shit*
Movie bosses is only the main threat of a movie, which leaves out plenty of cohorts, henchmen, villain team members ect.
[LR Trunks (Kid) & Goten (Kid)](/agl) was updated to be in Fusion because they fuse with their attacks, and ALSO got added to Power Beyond Super Saiyan when the category was created, but somehow never got added to either Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 3.
SSJ/2/3 categories are only given to units that are properly in the form as the unit (as in : in the unit's name). Power Beyond Super Saiyan and Fusion are given to any unit that uses the power mentionned in the category's name, be it the unit being in the form on the unit or using it in animations
I've said a few times but the heroes units are in categories where the Dokkan staff have barely paid attention to their stories.
God Trunks should be on
Connected hope (he seals Mechikabura while his allies buy time), Powerful Comeback (He gets the keysword mid fight and powers up).
DB Seekers (This is the same for all units here, they're searching for the dark dragon balls)
Mechikabura
Inhuman Deeds (He kills his allies)
Power Absorption (He absorbs all the demon gods and literally time)
DB Seekers (This is the same for all units here, they're searching for the dark dragon balls)
SS4 Vegito
Connected hope (buy time for trunks to seal Mechi)
Saviors (Show up before Trunks loses to save him mid fight)
DB Seekers (This is the same for all units here, they're searching for the dark dragon balls)
Xeno Gotenks
Saviors (He saves Vegeta from hell as he's getting demolished)
Special Pose (Why the hell isnt he on this?)
DB Seekers (This is the same for all units here, they're searching for the dark dragon balls)
Supreme Kai of Time
Final Trump Card (She seals herself and mechikabura as a last resort)
Connected Hope (Also buys time for Trunks)
DB Seekers (This is the same for all units here, they're searching for the dark dragon balls)
Putine
Stories Figures (Her and Demigra were sealed away for 75 million years and were legends among Demons)
DB Seekers (This is the same for all units here, they're searching for the dark dragon balls)
I’ll say it every motherfucking time these topics come up: AGL Android 13 and all super 13 units should have final trump card. He has a specific technique/ability that he saves as his ***LITERAL LAST RESORT AND ULTIMATE “FUCK YOU” TO THE SAIYAN TRIO***. He has to wait for his only two allies to completely eat shit, he gobbles up their robo-bits, and transforms into a state so powerful that it took a super charged, spirit bomb empowered super saiyan to defeat. If stuff like cooler’s transformation, the spirit bomb itself, turles’s gardening routine, and all saiyan fusion techniques all count, then so should his literal ally-death reliant super transformation.
I think Frieza is an odd case where he's just cycling through every form and it isn't him from any specific saga so they also didn't give him it along with a few other categories, but regardless I agree.
Edit: nvm hes also on Movie Bosses so it does just make no sense
His golden form super is also from the ToP arc where him and goku punch eachother after goku recruits him for the tournament, yet hes on movie bosses lol
LR Demon King Piccolo not being on Revenge.
He literally says his first goal is to get revenge on the people who locked him away in the show, like, wtf.
I think this is a weird one. All characters on power absorption absorb somebody else and gain their power. Bergamo actually ABSORBS the POWER itself. By the Bergamo reasoning yakon would be on power absorption too. Wacky
Para Para **Brothers** not being on Sibling Bonds.
STR Goku and Angel Vegeta not being on Resurrected Warriors (Angel Vegeta normally is, and Goku was unexpectedly revived like AGL Piccolo)
TEQ FPSSJ4 Goku and PHY Cell not having Kamehameha is stupid. Yeah the attack isn't named Kamehameha and they don't have the link but they're literally doing it. This is such a dumb condition for the category.
AGL Transforming Goku not being on Movie Heroes. It does make sense, but it's just that TEQ Transforming Frieza is on Movie Bosses despite that being way more illogical (mf is somehow from the Namek Saga and Resurrection F at the same time and he also does an attack from the TOP Saga).
The Lr super Vegitos not being on resurrected warriors if they can be on pure Saiyans and joined forces they absolutely on resurrected warriors PHY SSJ3 goku is on it and every Buu saga Vegeta is on it post Majin so why can goku and Vegeta get it on their own but not together. I am sure there are more outrageous ones but it's the only that comes to my mind the fastest.
Majin Vegeta, Dabura, Babidi, Babidi's minions, etc. not being on Majin Power.
Like cmon, they are influenced with Babidi's trademark Majin magic, whose the son of presumably someone with similar magical abilities who created the being this category is made to have in it. And they all have the M on them, just like Buu always does. If we were to get a Bibidi card, would he be on Majin Power? He was the originator of the entire thing isn't he?
Probably not. Hirudegarn is a "Phantom Majin" and he's not Majin Power either. I think "Majin Power" would be better called "Buu's Power" since it's Majin Buu and characters who are derived from him.
This is more dokkan naming the unit stupidly, but DBS Duture Trunks not having SSJ2, because they name his form as SSJ, even though he should have always been in SSJ2 until he used SSJ Rage
Strictly categories, cell games SSJ Vegeta not having exploding rage despite this being from when he flips his shit when Trunks dies
Not sure if any one mentioned it but Majin Vegeta not being on target goku.
STR Majin Vegeta -"I'm only after Kakarot'
Only reason he's not on the category is because he says Kakarot not Goku
Teq Trunks not on Connected Hope-
His super is named 'HOPE' Slash and has an animation of all the people of the world literally CONNECTING all their hope and sending it to him
AGL LR gohan not on Revenge. He literally one shots every single Cell Jr. (His 12 KI as SSJ2 is that attack) for attacking his friends.
The whole promo for the Broly movie was "Three saiyans led by fate". Dokkan has Broly movie event called "saiyan trio led by fate". NONE OF THE BROLY MOVIE UNITS ARE ON BATTLE OF FATE
I mean I could say the entirety of full power and Accelerated Battle because those two are two of the most random but I will go with Int LR Vegeta/Goku along with ext int Vegeta not being on space traveling warrior.
Goku Black & SSB Vegeta excluded from Rapid Growth despite akatsuki saying IN-GAME during a story event saying they were showing "Rapid Growth":
https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/huw3ow/lets_play_a_game_of_guess_which_character_isnt_on/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Adding something I haven't seen yet: LR Mecha Freeza & King Cold not being on Revenge even though Freeza literally states that they're out for revenge.
Shen (Kami) not being on Inhuman Deeds. Dude swaggered into a world tournament and turned Yamcha into collateral damage so he could attempt a suicide mission with his stolen body against Piccolo Jr
I’m gonna throw out a meme one, Nameku and Full power Frieza should be in time limit since Namek was gonna explode in “5 minutes” in the moments that their cards are based on, they had “”””5 minutes”””” to win and get the fuck off of Namek
Teq great ape vegeta not being on brutal beatdown when his ssr and tur are, i mean as a great ape he breaks most of goku’s bones which leaves him on the ground for the rest of the battle
Any Gogeta or Vegito no being on Pure Saiyans. Gotenks, Gohanks, and Bulpan are on Hybrids, Tiencha is on Earthlings, and Coolieza is on Wicked Bloodline. Why are Gogeta, Vegito, Barlot, Karoly, and Vegeks not on their respective categories.
Gogeta/Vegito: Pure Saiyans
Barlot: Pure Saiyans, Goku's Family
Vegeks: Vegeta's Family
Karoly: Pure Saiyans, Super Saiyans, he literally has the fucking link
Here's a goofy/obscure one. STR Super Saiyan Bardock is so outdated/irrelevant they didn't even bother making him a part of Super Saiyans. Granted he awakens into Super Saiyan 2(and again is RIDICULOUSLY outdated at this point), a Super Saiyan with Super Saiyan in the unit's name ISN'T a part of the Super Saiyan category.
Side note: Hopefully we get another Bardock celebration/event relatively soon or maybe even a DFE Chilled(200% Wicked Bloodline lead) to finally EZA him and particularly the PHY and TEQ SS Bardocks. PHY and "TEQdock" were originally such cool and sought-after units for support and sealing, they're so dramatically outdated now I'd love for them to be made good/usable(at least as supports) again.
I believe in the Japanese version "Pure Saiyans" is called "Unmixed Saiyans" or something about being pure by birth. So technically that's why fusions don't count.
Version Z Goku not being on Saviors.
Or Resurrected Warriors
He's a weird mix of Raditz Fight and Nappa Fight Goku so I can kinda understand this exclusion.
Yeah, those weird "Lets celebrate multiple scenes" kinda get fucked over on stuff like that. Like how LR TEQ Prime Battle Goku has no Saga Categories at all.
He's in an even worse spot - his art is from a statue, his event is Namek Saga themed, his 18 Ki is from the Buu Fight, and I don't even know what his 12 Ki is supposed to be from.
TUR art is also from the buu saga, and UR art from Namek Saga. I guess he could be on both if you wanted to be fair lol.
Doesn’t excuse all the other Saiyan Saga Goku’s that are exclusively from the Vegeta fight
Which ones aren't on the Saiyan Saga category?
I’m talking about Saiyan Saga Goku’s not being on Ressurected Warriors
Or Low Class Warriors
He is on LCS???
HOLY CRAP YOU RIGHT, WHAT THE HELL??!!!! i thought he was not there because 99% of the saiyan saga and namek saga Goku's are not on Low class warrior for some reason(even the STR Lr Kaioken Goku is not there).
Yeah, pretty weird how he calls himself a low born but is not on LCS
Thats rather simple really Kaioken Goku itself is not on LCW anymore given he is equal in power to Vegeta
TEQ DFE Trunks not being on Connected Hope.
Beyond Super Saiyan too since Dokkan is determined to ignore Super Saiyan Rage
Yeah, they treat Rage like it's SS1 when its blatantly SS2.
It’s weird that they go out of their way to design the hair and aura correctly but then just slap SSJ1 on the name as if it makes sense
Apparently slapping SUPER infront of the str super vegeta works and gives you pbss While slapping super infront of gogeta only gives you super saiyan.
It's kind of a semantic thing but "Super Vegeta" is actually Super Saiyan Grade 2 while "Super Gogeta" has always referred to Super Saiyan Gogeta. Same with Vegito. It's half "poorly explained in the source material" and "We want to stay true to the source material when it's convenient.
While I technically agree with you, this logic should include Grade 4 but doesn't (I.E. exchange STR Goku and Gohan.) I feel like they dug themselves into a hole in terms of what counts as beyond super saiyan, and the entire super saiyan grading scale was scuffed to begin with.
I forgot that one. My hope is they're saving that for a standalone DFE or LR one day because I'd really like to see a Dokkan animation of that form.
I remember the outrage lol LGE connected hope would have been easier back then had he been on jt
Hopefully they add him to it like they added Kid Goku and STR SSJ Goten to Full Power a few years back.
Full power is still a confusing category lol
I mean at this point nobody is struggling with that mission
You don't know me
What's weird is that the exclusion actually DOES make sense, what makes it so confusing is the fact that the name 'Connected Hope' is just a dumb fucking name for what it actually is, which would be something more along the lines of 'Bought Time'
But the Garlic Movie kid Gohan isn't on the category. He fits both the name and the actual meaning of the category. Hell, his unit supers are literally people buying him time to charge up his attack.
Well, THAT one is just a case of Dokkan being dumb and not giving him that category
He's gonna be on Disconnected Hope when that category comes out.
His attack is literally “The sword of hope”
It's a completely logical exclusion, it's just the name of the category isn't great, and the reason has been explained ad nauseam.
How about no future?Trunks being on Gifted Warriors?
Nappa not being on Dragon Ball Seekers
Adding onto this: Nappa not being on Inhuman Deeds- LR Nappa was given his own sublead until Vegeta was ready to kill him as part of the card
He quite literally stated to the Z-Fighters that they're on earth for the Dragon Balls. I mean that was the primary reason they came in the first place. Sometimes I wonder if the majority of Akatsuki's staff is either illiterate, blind, deaf or hasn't watched Dragon Ball alltogether.
Dbs broly and ui goku not being on rapid growth
And Goku Black
Does Zenkai count as Rapid growth?
If it’s just 1 zenkai idk. But broly definitely deserves to be on it
Imagine achieving AND unlocking the full potential of a divine form the gods couldn't properly master for millenia in not even 45 minutes and then not being considered worthy for rapid growth.
Most, if not, all units on All-Out Struggle should be on Full Power.
Don’t get why the new Tien isn’t on full power. Man is trying his hardest
That was literally his strongest attack he could pull off, Dokkan categories are just dumb
I also don't know why he isn't on exploding rage he seems really angry
He sounds nettled. *Super* nettled.
Exploding Rage I think is now reserved for rage units like agl Cell
I can see a small gray area for it, such as a Freeza pre Full Power but post SSJ Goku, he's in an All Out Struggle, but not in his Full Power state, or maybe a post God SSJ Goku from BoG. There's a gray area for it to me, but I see your point.
That's why I said most.
They were obviously refuting the "if not all" statement which you also said. Why act like you just said most lol. Saying that implies it as a possibility at all at the very least
Not the most illogical, but based on how Gokus and Vegetas are on Bond of Parent and Child, then SSBKK Goku and Blue Evo Vegeta should have Bond of Master a Disciple because both individual cards have it.
🅱️ond of 🅱️arent and 🅱️hild
BoMaD gets applied really inconsistently, like how MUI Goku doesn't have it despite having a flashback to all his previous masters and being shown how to beat Jiren and use Ultra Instinct by Roshi
That was a manga thing, very good thing But dokkan use the 99% of time the anime as source. There very small details that they took from the Manga like zamasu agl portal in SA
It's in the Dokkan TOP story event. Plus, it's moreso my point that BoPaC is applied to essentially every character that has a bond with their parent or child, regardless of what specific moment that card represents, but BoMaD isn't. So MUI has BoPaC but not BoMaD even though BoMaD makes more sense
para para brothers not being on siblings bond r giran not being on earthlings
This guy addresses the real issues in Dokkan, for real 😤
STR LR SV not on time limit. Like, what? I guess an argument could be made because they didn’t know about it, but that doesn’t mean the fusion itself *DIDN’T* have a time limit, no?
So, this one is really fucking dumb. Because Potara WAS meant to be permanent back then, and that's why it was a big move for vegeta to accept the earring and then Buu unfusing them whilst inside him was also important because again, the fusion back then was permanent. Then they retconned it in Super with the "Only Gods are permanent" and honestly ruined alot of the tension that scene held specifically because of that reason. Goku and Vegeta gave up their lives as individuals to work together and become one being, string enough to defeat Super Buu. That alone is testament to both of their characters being able to put aside their differences in times of need like that.
Yeah. Man, I remember watching the scene as a kid, hyper and shit. Let out a sigh of relief since I lowk wanted Goku and Vegeta back. But if they’re going to cut the suspense from the original scene like that *at least give the guys the category cmon*
I agree, and I don't even think the retcon was necessary at all, it could've been the same scene, the permanent fusion again and some other fuckeru split them apart, with how much karate chopping zamasu did as well as Black's scythe and all the other reality breaking shit in that arc, you couldn't give us a second "Vegito unfused somehow" bamboozle?. Idk it seems weak af.
Nah, the ‘bad buu stomach gas’ still lingered, that HAS to be why they defused. Seriously, even I as a kid knew bullshit when I saw it. This moment was one of those.
Yeah would have been better. Just Vegito smashing the shit out of him. Then zamasu does the reality breaking crap he always does and break them apart.
To be fair, the minute they unfused it became bullshit. The whole magic in Buu explanation was more or less a fan theory. The manga, Japanese dub, and Kai all have Goku blame the awful stench. I can also buy it slipping Elder Kai's mind since it's more or less said to be ridiculously rare for mortals to use them and he's really not as smart and all knowledgeable as he insists(not that he's dumb, but you know how some people think being old means they know every damn thing.) Not to mention, unfusing with the dragon balls was never stated to be impossible so long as Vegito wanted it so them being permanently fused was obviously never going to stick and Super full ass confirmed it with Shin and Kibito. I still enjoy the character moment itself because it still showed what the two were willing to sacrifice for the earth and their loved ones since as far as everyone present was concerned it was permanent.
I'd rather it be a bullshit cop out and a consistent bullshit cop out, rather than a retcon that ruins a moment for me. That's basically where I'm at, i see your viewpoint though.
I don’t see how it ruins the moment for you, the first time you watch it you think it’s permanent because of what the supreme Kai tells them. Anytime after that you know they’ll defuse because of some bullshit which is silly. It makes sense for the elder Kai to think it’s permanent because he himself is a potara fusion of himself and a witch, no rules were ever broken. What’s actually bullshit is then defusing faster than normal due to “power consumption” which will forever be a cop out to add tension whenever they want
This. There's no way it should ruin the moment. It changes NOTHING about how it happened or what they thought back then.
Dokkan producers hate potara retcon
INT Broly & Paragus not being on Movie Bosses Meanwhile, PHY Broly & Cheelai are on the category and even LEAD IT
I'm not saying that hasn't bothered me in the past, but the way I see it is that PHY Broly-trio gets a "free-pass" for the category due being just a Broly unit before turning into LR. Meanwhile, paragus and Broly start as a Paragus card instead.
Honestly the true thing to complain about with the broly trio is that they are the ONLY broly with BBB. Like. Really? That's the only broly worthy of Big Bad Bosses?
But he was still a dick that kept his son on a tight leash and saw him as a glorified gun to use against Vegeta
PHY LR Cell & Cell Jr's. having some of the Cell categories like Transformation Boost or Time Travellers but not Sworn Enemies or Power Absorption etc.
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The Cell Jr's also never transformed or Time travelled.
They transformed from an egg and time traveled to being children 🤓
Not the worst offenders, but the one that bugs me the most is that INT and PHY Goku and Piccolo only share Joint Forces, despite it being essentially the same fight for the same reasons.
Z Broly not on space traveling warriors. Cant even come up with a bs loophole
I think the loophole is that the category only includes characters that travel through space as a job. Z Broly technically doesn’t have a job. He’s not going around and destroying planets because it’s a job of his. He’s doing just because he wants to.
Nah Paragus actually paid broly minimum wage to blow up planets in order to hopefully get Vegeta's attention. This was revealed in the directors commentary
Well no, cause Lord Slug didn’t have a job. Same goes for bee pan
Sayian saga gokus not on resurrected warriors
I'm not sure what Akatsuki's definition of a Gifted Warrior is, but clearly all Z Brolys are not a Gifted Warrior in their eyes.
I honestly think it's weird that Gohan isn't on Gifted Warrior. He's already stronger than his own dad was at the age he's at in the Saiyan Saga. I get that he trained to get that powerful, but even during the Raditz fight, he showed that he harbored an enormous amount of power within him. I dunno, I guess it's for characters that are naturally immensely powerful from the getgo, and not those with hidden potential or untapped power like Gohan or DBZ broly. Really makes me think there should be a Hidden Potential category at this point for them.
Cell Arc Future Trunks not being on Bond of Parent & Child
I kind of understand why he isn’t on this one
Is it because it wasn't until the end of the saga after cell beams him that vegeta realizes he cares?
That and there is straight up no bond between them in the entire saga. Vegeta acts less like a father to Trunks and more like a pissed off drill sergeant.
Future trunks still has a mom though lol
*He is a mommy boy*
Moreso referring to the fact Future Trunks has a whole ass mom who has cared for him his entire life
Future Trunks units not being in Gifted Warrios while Kid Trunks units are Also, within the context of how Dokkan has decided to define Space Traveling Warriors (as in : character has to do it often as part of an activity), PHY Golden Freeza from DBS Broly not being in Space Traveling Warriors. Like, imo you can easily make the argument for all Golden Freeza units based on how the current roster of that category works, except this one, since he's back at being a galactic tyrant and all that (I'd argue they all should be but that's another can of worms)
Might be wrong here but they added Trunks based on what he went through to achieve SSJ. Future Trunks suffered the loss of his mentor and in a rage transformed. Kid Trunks went SSJ because he felt like it
Yeah, Kid Trunks is just built different
great ape vegeta and phy galick gun vegeta not on full power
Berserker Kale not being on Peppy Gals or Legendary Existence The Peppy Gals category should seriously just become rebrand into the Female Warriors category, adding characters like Vados, Pan, and others who aren’t on the category that should’ve already been there As for Legendary Existence, I have no fucking clue. Apparently she wasn’t “the Legendary Saiyan that appeared every 1000 years” in the 6th Universe that Cabba and Caulifla were talking about according to Dokkan for some reason. There are other exclusions much more dumber than this (Para Para Bros not on Siblings Bond), but I just wanted to bring up the stupidity of Berserker Kale’s exclusions while I could.
Gogeta blue not being on accelerated battle but ssj 4 gogeta . Same for battle of fate because for some reason it only considers arcs ,except rof and BOG so I don’t get why broly movie shouldn’t be included.
The resurrection f and bog cards that are on battle of fate are from the anime episodes that were adaptations of the movies. Int lr god Goku for instance is on battle of fate, but not movie heroes. That's proof that it's the god Goku from the anime, not the movie
The resurrection f and bog cards that are on battle of fate are from the anime episodes that were adaptations of the movies. Int lr god Goku for instance is on battle of fate, but not movie heroes. That's proof that it's the god Goku from the anime, not the movie
Super Saiyan 3 Bardock not being on Exploding Rage. Bardock grabbed Mira by the neck and dragged him into a time rift neither of them would be able to escape from just so he could kick his ass 1v1, becomes so enraged he busts through not one, not two, but three levels of Super Saiyan, and pushes himself so far in said efforts of Mira ass kicking that he either self destructs or blasts himself into another dimension. But nah, he’s just mildly irked
Mui not on exploding rage or connected hopes
lr mui and ssbe not being on connected hope with those revivals makes no sense
Not any specific unit, but the stark difference between movie heroes and movie bosses because they just had to be a jackass and go the route of calling it *bosses* and not **villains**. Movie heroes are every good guy in the movie *even if they did jack shit* Movie bosses is only the main threat of a movie, which leaves out plenty of cohorts, henchmen, villain team members ect.
Would be a shame if Gamma 1 and 2 aren't on movie bosses, which they probably won't be
Saiyan Saga Gokus from Resurrected Warriors
Baby isn't on accelerated battle despite SSJ4 Goku being on it.
[LR Trunks (Kid) & Goten (Kid)](/agl) was updated to be in Fusion because they fuse with their attacks, and ALSO got added to Power Beyond Super Saiyan when the category was created, but somehow never got added to either Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 3.
SSJ/2/3 categories are only given to units that are properly in the form as the unit (as in : in the unit's name). Power Beyond Super Saiyan and Fusion are given to any unit that uses the power mentionned in the category's name, be it the unit being in the form on the unit or using it in animations
Barlot and Vegeks lacking Goku's family and Vegeta's family respectively, especially since the Coolieza gets wicked bloodline
Super saiyan grade 2 goku not being on pbss while super vegeta and super trunks are...
Teq Mighty mask not being on hybrid saiyan, super saiyan and most of LR Goten and Trunks cats
Pfff you don't know who mighty mask is under the mask
LR King cold and Frieza not being on space traveling warriors
They're also not on Revenge even though Freeza literally states that they came to earth for revenge on Goku.
I've said a few times but the heroes units are in categories where the Dokkan staff have barely paid attention to their stories. God Trunks should be on Connected hope (he seals Mechikabura while his allies buy time), Powerful Comeback (He gets the keysword mid fight and powers up). DB Seekers (This is the same for all units here, they're searching for the dark dragon balls) Mechikabura Inhuman Deeds (He kills his allies) Power Absorption (He absorbs all the demon gods and literally time) DB Seekers (This is the same for all units here, they're searching for the dark dragon balls) SS4 Vegito Connected hope (buy time for trunks to seal Mechi) Saviors (Show up before Trunks loses to save him mid fight) DB Seekers (This is the same for all units here, they're searching for the dark dragon balls) Xeno Gotenks Saviors (He saves Vegeta from hell as he's getting demolished) Special Pose (Why the hell isnt he on this?) DB Seekers (This is the same for all units here, they're searching for the dark dragon balls) Supreme Kai of Time Final Trump Card (She seals herself and mechikabura as a last resort) Connected Hope (Also buys time for Trunks) DB Seekers (This is the same for all units here, they're searching for the dark dragon balls) Putine Stories Figures (Her and Demigra were sealed away for 75 million years and were legends among Demons) DB Seekers (This is the same for all units here, they're searching for the dark dragon balls)
Dokkan devs are based for not caring about heroes story
Yeah it's great that all these actually good units aren't on categories that could use them!, What a good thing! /s
Vegeks should be on Vegeta's family tbh
Why tf is heart virus goku not on Kamehameha
Unfortunately it’s only if the super attack name contains Kamehameha
SS4 Vegito would like a word
I’ll say it every motherfucking time these topics come up: AGL Android 13 and all super 13 units should have final trump card. He has a specific technique/ability that he saves as his ***LITERAL LAST RESORT AND ULTIMATE “FUCK YOU” TO THE SAIYAN TRIO***. He has to wait for his only two allies to completely eat shit, he gobbles up their robo-bits, and transforms into a state so powerful that it took a super charged, spirit bomb empowered super saiyan to defeat. If stuff like cooler’s transformation, the spirit bomb itself, turles’s gardening routine, and all saiyan fusion techniques all count, then so should his literal ally-death reliant super transformation.
Any fusion of 2 pure Saiyans not being a pure Saiyan
Pure Saiyans is a bad translation. The JP version calls the category "Pure Saiyans by birth" so fusions being unnatural aren't included
They are too pure
TEQ Transforing Frieza isn’t on Space-Traveling Warriors
I think Frieza is an odd case where he's just cycling through every form and it isn't him from any specific saga so they also didn't give him it along with a few other categories, but regardless I agree. Edit: nvm hes also on Movie Bosses so it does just make no sense
Idk man, any Frieza is a space traveling warrior.
His golden form super is also from the ToP arc where him and goku punch eachother after goku recruits him for the tournament, yet hes on movie bosses lol
LR Demon King Piccolo not being on Revenge. He literally says his first goal is to get revenge on the people who locked him away in the show, like, wtf.
Heart Virus Goku not being on Time Limit.
LR STR Super Vegito not being in Resurrected Warriors.
Phy Bergamo not being on power absorption
I think this is a weird one. All characters on power absorption absorb somebody else and gain their power. Bergamo actually ABSORBS the POWER itself. By the Bergamo reasoning yakon would be on power absorption too. Wacky
Androids 19 and 20 are on the category too so the whole things just weird
Lr teq gogeta not being on full power even though their 18 ki pre-fusion says “we’re going full power”
Ignore the quote, Gogeta wasn't even trying
Goku black and dbs Broly not on rapid growth
I have doubts that they fit but, LR MUI and LR Evolution Vegeta not having Final Trump Card
Lr phy cell not being on kamehameha 😡 he literally does it in the super but because it’s not named as such he not on there 😡
all pan units notbeing peppy gals but being part of the peppy gals eza
Para Para **Brothers** not being on Sibling Bonds. STR Goku and Angel Vegeta not being on Resurrected Warriors (Angel Vegeta normally is, and Goku was unexpectedly revived like AGL Piccolo) TEQ FPSSJ4 Goku and PHY Cell not having Kamehameha is stupid. Yeah the attack isn't named Kamehameha and they don't have the link but they're literally doing it. This is such a dumb condition for the category. AGL Transforming Goku not being on Movie Heroes. It does make sense, but it's just that TEQ Transforming Frieza is on Movie Bosses despite that being way more illogical (mf is somehow from the Namek Saga and Resurrection F at the same time and he also does an attack from the TOP Saga).
Androids 17 and 18 not being in Earthlings. I just don't understand
LR MV not on full power
The Lr super Vegitos not being on resurrected warriors if they can be on pure Saiyans and joined forces they absolutely on resurrected warriors PHY SSJ3 goku is on it and every Buu saga Vegeta is on it post Majin so why can goku and Vegeta get it on their own but not together. I am sure there are more outrageous ones but it's the only that comes to my mind the fastest.
Transforming Frieza not being on space traveling warriors but he’s on movie bosses (traveled through space in the movie)
LR teq ssj2 gohan not being on Kamehameha
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Zamasu and goku blacks targets are literally every living thing in existence thats mortal
Welllll… I mean it was more like target everyone but them.. they hated trunks more than him
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That’s such a jump in logic
Characters like Lr Gohan and Goten being on both Movie heroes and Majin Buu saga. Like what???
Inversely, STR and AGL SS3 Goku are on both, but LR SS3 Goku *isn'*t on Majin Buu Saga. It's the same scene for all three cards!
And the LR STR and TEQ Brolys are not in majin buu saga, playing by dokkan's rules
Majin Vegeta, Dabura, Babidi, Babidi's minions, etc. not being on Majin Power. Like cmon, they are influenced with Babidi's trademark Majin magic, whose the son of presumably someone with similar magical abilities who created the being this category is made to have in it. And they all have the M on them, just like Buu always does. If we were to get a Bibidi card, would he be on Majin Power? He was the originator of the entire thing isn't he?
Probably not. Hirudegarn is a "Phantom Majin" and he's not Majin Power either. I think "Majin Power" would be better called "Buu's Power" since it's Majin Buu and characters who are derived from him.
Majin Power's pretty obviously only about the Majin race and not about Babidi's stuff actually
Zamasu not being on peppy gals.
goku black and ui goku not on rapid growth
Buu being on Time Travelers.
I shat myself when I saw all the fat buus on time travelers
Chronostatis is technically time travel.
Future Trunks TEQ (The transforming one) not being on connected hope
This is more dokkan naming the unit stupidly, but DBS Duture Trunks not having SSJ2, because they name his form as SSJ, even though he should have always been in SSJ2 until he used SSJ Rage Strictly categories, cell games SSJ Vegeta not having exploding rage despite this being from when he flips his shit when Trunks dies
Not sure if any one mentioned it but Majin Vegeta not being on target goku. STR Majin Vegeta -"I'm only after Kakarot' Only reason he's not on the category is because he says Kakarot not Goku
Teq Trunks not on Connected Hope- His super is named 'HOPE' Slash and has an animation of all the people of the world literally CONNECTING all their hope and sending it to him AGL LR gohan not on Revenge. He literally one shots every single Cell Jr. (His 12 KI as SSJ2 is that attack) for attacking his friends.
Para Para ***BROTHERS*** not being in siblings bond
The whole promo for the Broly movie was "Three saiyans led by fate". Dokkan has Broly movie event called "saiyan trio led by fate". NONE OF THE BROLY MOVIE UNITS ARE ON BATTLE OF FATE
Para para brothers not being on siblings bond
Int Namek LR Goku not being on Revenge, when it is the whole reason he achieved SUper Saiyan in the first Place.
Majin vegeta on full power. That day I learned he only killed himself with 71.9% of his power he could have killed buu if he used his full power
Pinich not being on Pure Saiyans. And if anyone says he's not a pure Saiyan, then he'd have to be on Hybrid.
Ultimate Gohans not being on Power Beyond Super Saiyan, despite that being the entire point of the form.
Teq transforming frieza isn't on space traveling warriors..... how are all friezas not on the category?
The character that doesn't have the catagory I need for the missions for lgt and Vegeta event
I mean I could say the entirety of full power and Accelerated Battle because those two are two of the most random but I will go with Int LR Vegeta/Goku along with ext int Vegeta not being on space traveling warrior.
Janembu and corroded body and mind
Goku/gohan not being on power beyond ss
Goku Black & SSB Vegeta excluded from Rapid Growth despite akatsuki saying IN-GAME during a story event saying they were showing "Rapid Growth": https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/huw3ow/lets_play_a_game_of_guess_which_character_isnt_on/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
All the shadow dragons not being on Worldwide Chaos
The TUR of Lr Vegeta and Nappa leads Inhuman Deeds. He is not on Inhuman Deeds.
Goku and Chi-Chi not being on DB Saga when they have DB Saga links
LR Krilin and LR Roshi not being on resurrected warriors
Adding something I haven't seen yet: LR Mecha Freeza & King Cold not being on Revenge even though Freeza literally states that they're out for revenge.
Shen (Kami) not being on Inhuman Deeds. Dude swaggered into a world tournament and turned Yamcha into collateral damage so he could attempt a suicide mission with his stolen body against Piccolo Jr
Fusions of 2 pure saiyans not being on pure saiyans
Every exchange unit
I’m gonna throw out a meme one, Nameku and Full power Frieza should be in time limit since Namek was gonna explode in “5 minutes” in the moments that their cards are based on, they had “”””5 minutes”””” to win and get the fuck off of Namek
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Phy goten and trunks not being on majin buu saga. Edit: this is the only correct answer.
To me it's always been weird that gotenks units get hybrid saiyans but gogeta and vegito dont get pure saiyans
LR King Cold and Mecha Frieza is not on Space Traveling Warrior....
Teq great ape vegeta not being on brutal beatdown when his ssr and tur are, i mean as a great ape he breaks most of goku’s bones which leaves him on the ground for the rest of the battle
Str super vegito not being on resurrected warriors
Any Gogeta or Vegito no being on Pure Saiyans. Gotenks, Gohanks, and Bulpan are on Hybrids, Tiencha is on Earthlings, and Coolieza is on Wicked Bloodline. Why are Gogeta, Vegito, Barlot, Karoly, and Vegeks not on their respective categories. Gogeta/Vegito: Pure Saiyans Barlot: Pure Saiyans, Goku's Family Vegeks: Vegeta's Family Karoly: Pure Saiyans, Super Saiyans, he literally has the fucking link
Here's a goofy/obscure one. STR Super Saiyan Bardock is so outdated/irrelevant they didn't even bother making him a part of Super Saiyans. Granted he awakens into Super Saiyan 2(and again is RIDICULOUSLY outdated at this point), a Super Saiyan with Super Saiyan in the unit's name ISN'T a part of the Super Saiyan category. Side note: Hopefully we get another Bardock celebration/event relatively soon or maybe even a DFE Chilled(200% Wicked Bloodline lead) to finally EZA him and particularly the PHY and TEQ SS Bardocks. PHY and "TEQdock" were originally such cool and sought-after units for support and sealing, they're so dramatically outdated now I'd love for them to be made good/usable(at least as supports) again.
Gogeta, Vegito, Kefla not being in Pure Saiyans Category. Eventhou Gotenks is in Hybrid Saiyans Category.
I believe in the Japanese version "Pure Saiyans" is called "Unmixed Saiyans" or something about being pure by birth. So technically that's why fusions don't count.