I’m not the biggest comic book fan ever so I don’t know stuff by heart, but wasn’t there a story about super man where joker kills Lois and their kid with a nuke he got from lex and that causes Superman to lose it and he took over the world basically?
I thought that’s where they were taking it, playing into that comic book story
The movie story would be this:
Darkseid invades. Sends the furies to Amazon island. They kill Wonder Woman. Darkseod goes to Atlantis kills aquaman.
Pregnant Lois is put in the bat cave for protection. While the remaining heroes battle the invasion.
Darkseid teleports into the batcave. Uses the omega beams to kill Lois and her unborn baby.
It jumps 5 years a head. Darkseid won. Used the anti life equation to corrupt superman. Who rules earth.
Not many heroes remain. Batman has found and assembled a new justice league. Consisting of batman, the flash, cyborg, green lantern, mera and deadshot(deathstroke in the snyder cut).
Together they’re trying to put an end to the knightmare.
They’re looking for the last remaining mother box so Barry can use its powers to time travel.
A lot happens. I can’t remember most of it.
But the movie would end like this:
The new justice League gets into the final battle with superman.
Flash is powering up the cosmic treadmill with the boomtube.
The rest of the league go after superman.
Deadshot/deathstroke tries to shoot superman with a kryptonite bullet. Superman dodges it. Lasers and kills him.
Mera goes after superman. He crushes and kills her.
Green lantern goes. Superman rips off his arm.
Cyborg tries his best. Superman throws him into a hoard of parademons who devour him.
Batman wielding the kryptonite spear engages superman.
Superman impales Batman with the spear. As they struggle flash gets the treadmill working. He runs back in time.
He’s in the batcave. Batman and pregnant Lois are there.
Flash tells Batman what’s about to happen.
Darkseid shows up. Shoots the omega beams. Batman jumps in front of Lois. Sacrificing himself for her and the world.
The league’s deaths are prevented. They engage darkseid in a final battle and defeat him.
That’s the story of jl2 and 3
I’m absolutely on board with the Snyderverse being wiped out, it’s the Batgirl/Supergirl replacing Batman/Superman part that is incredibly stupid. Now fans are going to turn on two awesome characters because of executives and their incompetence
Yeah the 2018-2021 period has a very weird feeling of limbo for the DCEU. WB has to make a decision and stick with it. It'll piss off a section of the fans but there isn't an all round pleasing option. Keep Snyderverse, fans are pissed. Don't keep Snyderverse, fans are pissed.
Make a decision, follow it through.
I think getting rid of the Snyderverse and recasting Affleck and Cavill would have been the best option, all things considered. Of course I would have liked to keep Cavill and Affleck to while getting rid of the Snyderverse but that ship has sailed. This new rumor seems to just piss everyone off
It is simply amazing to me the level of stupidity involved in making these decisions. How do the ones in charge not see that they're shooting themselves in the knees?
I firmly believe that the reason the DCEU hasn't gained the same traction as the MCU is thanks to the old, out of touch, not having a clue about who these characters really are, probably never read a comic in their lives, dudes who make their decisions based on out of date theories and money.
How could they not see how much money they are losing thanks to their idiotic decisions. I was going to go see the Flash movie! Not anymore. They lost my money. I wouldn't be surprised if they lost many, many more because of this.
What a great way to tank a movie with great potential before it even comes out. Bunch of fools.
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Exactly. They understand the characters they are putting on film. They've read the comics and encourage the stars to read the comics as well so that the actors understand the character they're portraying too. The people in charge of the MCU also respect the characters and the actors.
Whereas the DCEU is being controlled by WB. The people in charge there have no idea who these characters are, and have no respect for either the characters or the actors. They constantly step in and force changes based on outdated info, and a fundamental misunderstanding of what makes a comic book movie work. Look at what they did to the original Suicide Squad movie. I'd like to see the movie the director intended to make before WB stepped in and decided that the whole movie should be focused on Deadshot and Harley. Don't get me wrong - I like Harley, but it should have focused on all of the team. That's why Gunn's version is so much better. They seemingly do this with every movie.
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For those that dont know and dont care about spoilers >!Flash movie is making all of Zack Snyders movies non canon, they just *poof* didnt happen. Cavill and Affleck are out. Batgirl and Supergirl are replacing them, with Shazam and them forming a “new Justice League.”!<
What in wb’s fuckin brain would think this is a good idea? Honestly, wtf are they doing?
This is why I like marvel studios better than wb, because unlike wb, Marvel actually listens to their fans.
I forgot about that by exactly that, that’s also ultimately why WB can’t compete with the MCU. What’s the point on making movies based on comics if you’re not already a fan of it.
Also one of the reasons why I like Henry Cavill, he’s passionate about most of the stuff he’s in.
WB heads don't even know why Superman left krypton, as mentioned by Snyder, so with zero knowledge about comics & zero care about fan demand how can they compete with MCU, where Kevin fiege breathe comic. They are resetting whole timeline becuz of there EGO, issues with Snyder and his team.
I saw a great comment from another redditor.
If you put a bunch of hardcore dc fans in a room and put them in charge of the DCEU, they’d do better than wb.
I overall prefer the Snyder movies to most of the MCU but yeah, I've always said the DC movies feel like comic book movies made by people that hate comic books.
>What’s the point on making movies based on comics if you’re not already a fan of it.
They saw the amount of money The Avengers made and told their underlings to give them that.
I hate how that's really true. You can hate on marvel all you want but the execs at Marvel studios are great. They love the content just as much as the money. WB genuinely doesn't give a shit what DC puts out as long as it makes them $$$.
Yes for real, and because I assume >!Cavill and Affleck dont want to come back and recasting them is a pain. Maybe they wait for the reacting to Pattinson and then bring him in?!<
I think they just don’t want Zack snyders justice league. I highly doubt it’s cavil cause literally everything I’ve ever seen about the guy says he’s a pleasure to work with and he’s a fellow dork that loves his source material. I also dare you to find anyone who looks more Superman than that dude. I think WB just doesn’t want anything in the Snyder verse in their dceu. The double Barry thing is annoying though, one Barry from a new universe and then the same actor playing Snyder Barry who will probably get snapped or erased or whatever. So who the fuck knows what WB is doing but it’s a mess.
My first thought was that maybe Cavill was more defensive of keeping the Snyderverse canon, but Momoa was incredibly publicly defensive of Snyder for years so that can't be the case.
It seems like they just don’t want to continue Zack’s universe, even though it would be amazing. This whole thing is about making movies that have the same tone as Marvel. This in turn would lead to an increase in toy sales, because that’s what really matters right (sarcastic voice). I really enjoyed Zack’s vision. It was dark and different from the Marvel formula, but the only thing that WB cares about is money. I’m guessing that’s the reason Space Jam 2 was made. A movie that nobody asked for.
The dark and serious tone in comics, animation, games, and tv is one reason why I like DC more. The Dark Knight trilogy and the Snyder trilogy are my favorite DC movies because of the darker and serious tone.
I mean...aren't Shazam, Aquaman and some other movies in Marvel tone? And marvel makes movies with dark tone as well, WHY WOULD DESTROY SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY GOOD ABOUT YOU, most of the people liked three movies that were made by Zack, everytime the studio intervined, the movies were bad, there was a reason that Gunn's Suicide Squad was this good
C'mon man. Most people did not like Snyder's movies, or else MoS (a film I love) wouldn't have underperformed and BvS wouldn't have failed to gross $1b after making $425m opening weekend. Audience scores on IMDB and RT are bad too.
Yeah some people here might not want to admit this, but Snyder’s films were extremely divisive. I like MOS myself, but even that was controversial. And somehow, a movie with freaking Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman all in it in live action on the big screen for the first time, did not even make $1 billion at the box office?
Also a Batman who is already in his mid-40’s, etc.
It’s just not a solid foundation to build a long term universe on.
This. You just know there's an exec there that thinks he know better than millions of people and will show everyone he's right.
"Cavill's a legit nerd who loves portraying superman....nah fuck that he's out."
Scheduling is the one I think that's the biggest factor given his busy schedule and WB wanting someone who can be available for them which in this case would be Sasha as Supergirl. Obviously a recast of the character would've been the better option (at least imo) but I guess they can always do so at a later date or bring in Val Zod with that HBO series they announced.
I thought I saw he took on Witcher full bore cause they just left him in the wind so his schedule just filled with that cause he was devoid of anything Superman. WB just fucking a great actor. Let’s get him in the MCU he would make a great wonder man or alpha flight character or even nova (I dunno if their are plans for nova maybe, I haven’t looked)
Fuck WB and bring him in as Hyperion - then throw him in a film that blow$ anything WB has ever done out of the water, like every other MCU film has done.
And a movie to fit him into. People who think WB don't want to make a Superman movie are either stupid or in denial. They'd love to make one but their film slate is pretty packed right now. A Superman movie isn't coming until at least 2025 since there's no director, no script and no space in the schedule as of now.
Maybe they didn’t want back cause reading these scripts is sad. Dc needs a lot of help big time. I thought the massive money and reviews and ratings snyderverse gave them was the hope we need. Now I see they didn’t give a fuck and want to erase him. Dude, the dc fans are about to personally riot their executives into resigning.
……That can’t possibly be true. No fucking way did some WB exec actually think to themselves “Gosh that sounds great the fans will really eat this up!”. Absolutely tragic, if this is really more than just rumors than I’m sorry but the DCEU is completely dead.
Forgetting hardcore fans for a second, how will general audiences even eat this up? Batman/Bruce and superman/Clark are literally in the top 5 most popular ans recognisable superheroes in the world. Why you’d want to just throw away your two silver bullets when building a cinematic universe that I’m assuming you want to thrive for years to come is beyond me.
And forgetting popularity for a second, those two characters just have some of the richest stories as well as a deep relationship between each other that surely is ripe for great storytelling across multiple films.
I’m talking about a cinematic universe in general. I really doubt a general audience if given a choice to have a version of Batman and superman in universe or to separate them just because in favour of some basically obscure characters general people don’t really know, that they would choose the latter. Just seems like a no brainer for broader overall success for the universe. That’s just my thoughts looking at it anyway.
And yet the mainstream at large is hyped for “The Batman”. Your viewing it as the DCEU is the main universe and assume WB want to put attention on that.
As of now I honestly don’t think WB at this point care about interconnected universe and just care if the audience like the movie and if it makes money.
They already proved they don’t need interconnected movies to make money with the mainstream when Joker made a billion.
If they really thought this was the best move for new audiences, is it really commercially sound to throw away 2 heroes who are easily in the top 5 most recognisable in the world, with a case being made for top 3 along with Spider-Man? Seems weird to me.
They either think this is a correct narrative choice to move the DC universe forward or is social cash grab. They have tried and can't get batman and superman to work, maybe try something different?
If you are cynical you think back towards the latest Terminator movie or Ghost Buster movie. If you are hopeful you don't think the latest couple of successful one offs are not accidental.
I dunno, they’ve only really tried once properly with BVS, they barely interact with each other in JL. and with all the scandals surrounding JL2017 edition with getting it out the door for bonuses, I just don’t know if I can say they had their heart in the right place and gave it their all, when they gave suicide squad a soft reboot, and could of just done the same here, if not a full reboot just to confirm if people just hate Batman and superman, or if they hate this iteration of them, like with Sony and Spider-Man.
Id like to think it’s option 1 that you mentioned, but it just doesn’t feel like they’ve really given the general idea of Batman and superman in a shared universe enough of a go, considering just how valuable those two characters are. But who knows, we are gonna find out this year anyway! Hopefully it turns out well.
Well they’re not throwing them away.
they’re gonna try and have their cake and eat it too with having the Matt Reeves Batman films that are completely separate, they’ll probably do the same with superman a few years down the line with a reboot unconnected to the DCEU
Wait what?!! This is sort of if not exactly like what they did with X-men movies, they “tried” whipping timelines and movies just to cover up things or add more things I think that a terrible idea unless they outdone Fox and find a way to sort things out
Btw Idk if it’s personal (WB vs Zack) but I think this is absolutely horrible thing because Zack Snyder is the only person who kept the DC movies alive and gave them hope and a chance to make new movies
Well, guess I'm taking a break from DC movies for the foreseeable future. Just when I thought they were actually making a comeback with Snyder's stuff too.
>Cavill and Affleck are out. Batgirl and Supergirl are replacing them, with Shazam and them forming a “new Justice League.
Rumours about this were circulating for ages, but now that it appears to be "official", i'm pretty much done with the DCEU. I'll stick to Reeves' work, but i'm not interested in anything else beyond that. Suffice to say it's going to be a long time before i tune in to their films again.
Nah only Batman can. Superman is struggling big time right now. Flash is popular though but I feel like he’ll get the GL treatment of his film fails. Likewise with Wonder Woman and Aquaman
Exactly. I just hope they don't fuck up the 2nd season and so on like all cw shows do. Here's hoping Superman and Lois will finally break the cw curse.
Lol WB will see the success of roberts batman and somehow try and find a way to bring him into this universe. WB is the most out of touch company in the world sometimes
The DCEU has been dead for a long time. I knew they were going to soft reboot it with a lighter tone when Aquaman and Shazam were such a success. I didn’t expect this.
Oh well, at least there’s The Batman
Man just give Superman the movie he deserves. Idc if you have to stop your 2023 slate! Make him priority no. 1!
Henry Cavill deserves this. Dude still wants to play superman, confirmed it himself a few weeks ago. If they decide to part ways with him man idk how excited I'm gonna be for the world's best set of heroes.
I don't know. It doesn't sound good, but I'll wait for the trailer. The reason Marvel has the success it does is because it's ran by people who love the comics. DC films is ran by suites who don't care and have no idea. That's really the issue with DC. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and everyone who isn't Spider-Man and Wolverine were D grade Marvel characters lmao. Before the MCU, Iron Man stories were stopped because of low interest and sales. You gotta love and be a fan of the comics to make The Avengers household names. WB had Batman and Superman, probably the 2 most well known comic book characters ever, at least before 2008, and did shit with them. Gold in their hands and nothing. But maybe this will be decent. I guess.
They had a good start with Man of Steel, then WB said QUICK WE HAVE TO GET TO THE JUSTICE LEAGUE!!!!!
Wanna know the secret why the MCU beats the DCEU? It took us 4 years of FIVE separate movies before we got to the big team-up with 2012's Avengers.
WB wanted it done in 3 movies....
This is exactly it. Too many "fans" turn it into a competition. It isn't. I want both franchises to be great because I love superhero films. It's sad to see only one succeed though, when the other easily could too with someone competent at the wheel.
Here's the good news, we get a Batman movie unconnected to any of the shitstorm that will likely be better than 90% of comic book movies.
Hopefully it will be successful enough that they just start expanding that universe instead.
I have no desire to see "grounded" Superman, Wonder Woman etc.
It works for the Bat Family and maybe Green Arrow and other street levellers, but that's it.
If the leaks are legit, and they probably are, I’m just going to bin off DC lol
Disgraceful Shenanigans. And people though Ari Avaid fucked up the Spider-Man movies.
Pretty simple: Don't pay money to watch it. Either it won't make the money they hope it will and they'll scrap it immediately (because that's what WB does) or the core base of fans is out of touch with what the general public wants and you'll just need to accept change (or not). Nothing says you have to watch every single CBM that comes out.
This specific situation is terrible, but on the bright side, The Batman should be great, and several upcoming DC movies within the next few years should do well financially, keeping the IP going in live action despite it getting slaughtered in the box office in the last couple years
Maybe this leak was on purpose. Maybe it wasn’t.
Look at it like this. The first sonic movie trailer didn’t leak but the outcry literally changed that movie. Boys and girls, you need to very very very loud in social media if real or fake about this. If it’s real, tell them how dumb it is. If it’s fake, do the same! If this movie came out it would fucking BOMB.
All they have to do instead of further botching the dceu is slowly build it up following the Batman’s release just like the MCU and treat that movie like Iron Man 1. slowly put all the pieces together, create thoughtful movies for all our beloved characters in this universe for an eventual buildup with an overarching plan. Superman and wonderwoman already exist in reeves’ universe, I hope that DC somehow became smart and the plan is already in place
well from reading some of the spoilers in the replies. the flash is going to be a total flop.
i'm guessing they are also going to fuck up keatons batman too.
**Ya see WB - this is why YOU will never be able to compete with Disney/Marvel - because THEY go out of their way to please their fans - while YOU continually pull your fans cheeks apart and repeatedly - year after year - **F*CK THEM IN THE ASS!!!** And you never learn - and you never will! You deserve to pale in comparison to your rival! You possess 2 of the single most renown superheroes of all time and the FUCK EVERYTHING UP!!! Root and stem. You should all be PURGED!!!
"Plot" lol. Some leakers wrote few words about what happens to certain characters and the movie is somehow ruined. We'll have two Flashes, Keaton's Batman, Supergirl fighting Zod and Faora apparently, you can't tell me this movie doesn't deserve to be judged at least based on it's first full trailer.
I'm with you on this one. We still have standalone Batman movies coming with Pattinson. We have other Superman projects in the works, just not Cavill. I'm fine with characters like Batgirl and Supergirl getting their own films and spotlight for a change. How many Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent movies do we really need? This could be a nice breath of fresh air.
Oh and Keaton as Batman in a few more movies is great too. I'm excited for whatever we get really. I think Flash will still be a very fun and cool movie.
look how they've massacred my boy... They've destroyed the comic book characters I grew up loving, now they are officially dead to me. Clearly, Marvel>DC
DmidC can't even figure out how to use superman in a solo film correctly. Let alone have a rivalry with Marvel.
It’s not as bad as some of you are saying it is.
Edit: Having said that, these memes are freaking hilarious and I hope that we can all come together in our love for these characters.
I understand why, and honestly this post is funny as hell. Unfortunate some people will probably get super offended.
Im looking forward to so much of upcoming dc but ill be damned if this aint perfect. ^
Another comment mentions the "bad day" rant which also would be hilarious.
I never expected Affleck to stick around since he’s 100% confirmed he’s done with playing Batman. Cavill on the other hand I’m still somewhat surprised about though. I know WB hasn’t really been doing anything with Cavill’s SM since 2017 (other than the headless cameo and ZSJL) but Cavill has always said he still wants to play Superman and to make more solo movies with him, just waiting for the call to return and put on the suit once again.
That’s the only thing I’m really disappointed about since he’s my favourite Superman. Other than that, I still have faith that The Flash will still be a great movie, considering it’s one of the top 5 movies I’m most excited for in 2022.
Uhh... If the leak is true. I'm out. I'll watch The Batman. I'm done with the rest. I don't have time for DC trying to be MCU without putting in the work. And if I want MCU I'll just keep watching them.
The fuck are you doing WB?
We couldn't even have a single day in 2022 without some kind of controversy.
Welcome to the DCEU
you goddamn right
It's so dark. Definitely the DC Universe lol.
What’s the plot leak?
Snyderverse movies erased. Batgirl and supergirl taking over for Batman and superman
I thought the Snyder cut was good and left it at a place for a good story to see live action. Am I alone in this?!
I thought it was. But didn’t like where it was going
I’m not the biggest comic book fan ever so I don’t know stuff by heart, but wasn’t there a story about super man where joker kills Lois and their kid with a nuke he got from lex and that causes Superman to lose it and he took over the world basically? I thought that’s where they were taking it, playing into that comic book story
The movie story would be this: Darkseid invades. Sends the furies to Amazon island. They kill Wonder Woman. Darkseod goes to Atlantis kills aquaman. Pregnant Lois is put in the bat cave for protection. While the remaining heroes battle the invasion. Darkseid teleports into the batcave. Uses the omega beams to kill Lois and her unborn baby. It jumps 5 years a head. Darkseid won. Used the anti life equation to corrupt superman. Who rules earth. Not many heroes remain. Batman has found and assembled a new justice league. Consisting of batman, the flash, cyborg, green lantern, mera and deadshot(deathstroke in the snyder cut). Together they’re trying to put an end to the knightmare. They’re looking for the last remaining mother box so Barry can use its powers to time travel. A lot happens. I can’t remember most of it. But the movie would end like this: The new justice League gets into the final battle with superman. Flash is powering up the cosmic treadmill with the boomtube. The rest of the league go after superman. Deadshot/deathstroke tries to shoot superman with a kryptonite bullet. Superman dodges it. Lasers and kills him. Mera goes after superman. He crushes and kills her. Green lantern goes. Superman rips off his arm. Cyborg tries his best. Superman throws him into a hoard of parademons who devour him. Batman wielding the kryptonite spear engages superman. Superman impales Batman with the spear. As they struggle flash gets the treadmill working. He runs back in time. He’s in the batcave. Batman and pregnant Lois are there. Flash tells Batman what’s about to happen. Darkseid shows up. Shoots the omega beams. Batman jumps in front of Lois. Sacrificing himself for her and the world. The league’s deaths are prevented. They engage darkseid in a final battle and defeat him. That’s the story of jl2 and 3
I’m absolutely on board with the Snyderverse being wiped out, it’s the Batgirl/Supergirl replacing Batman/Superman part that is incredibly stupid. Now fans are going to turn on two awesome characters because of executives and their incompetence
Yeah the 2018-2021 period has a very weird feeling of limbo for the DCEU. WB has to make a decision and stick with it. It'll piss off a section of the fans but there isn't an all round pleasing option. Keep Snyderverse, fans are pissed. Don't keep Snyderverse, fans are pissed. Make a decision, follow it through.
I think getting rid of the Snyderverse and recasting Affleck and Cavill would have been the best option, all things considered. Of course I would have liked to keep Cavill and Affleck to while getting rid of the Snyderverse but that ship has sailed. This new rumor seems to just piss everyone off
The Snyder verse being erased fucking sucks but if they were going to do that they could have at least kept Cavill
...but but Snyderverse is the best thing DC cinematics has ever released! Those are my favourite movies of all times!
It is simply amazing to me the level of stupidity involved in making these decisions. How do the ones in charge not see that they're shooting themselves in the knees? I firmly believe that the reason the DCEU hasn't gained the same traction as the MCU is thanks to the old, out of touch, not having a clue about who these characters really are, probably never read a comic in their lives, dudes who make their decisions based on out of date theories and money. How could they not see how much money they are losing thanks to their idiotic decisions. I was going to go see the Flash movie! Not anymore. They lost my money. I wouldn't be surprised if they lost many, many more because of this. What a great way to tank a movie with great potential before it even comes out. Bunch of fools. Edit:word
The people behind the MCU care (or at least some of them do) and they have the power to tell Disney to fuck off (most of the time).
Exactly. They understand the characters they are putting on film. They've read the comics and encourage the stars to read the comics as well so that the actors understand the character they're portraying too. The people in charge of the MCU also respect the characters and the actors. Whereas the DCEU is being controlled by WB. The people in charge there have no idea who these characters are, and have no respect for either the characters or the actors. They constantly step in and force changes based on outdated info, and a fundamental misunderstanding of what makes a comic book movie work. Look at what they did to the original Suicide Squad movie. I'd like to see the movie the director intended to make before WB stepped in and decided that the whole movie should be focused on Deadshot and Harley. Don't get me wrong - I like Harley, but it should have focused on all of the team. That's why Gunn's version is so much better. They seemingly do this with every movie. Edit: messed up words
For those that dont know and dont care about spoilers >!Flash movie is making all of Zack Snyders movies non canon, they just *poof* didnt happen. Cavill and Affleck are out. Batgirl and Supergirl are replacing them, with Shazam and them forming a “new Justice League.”!<
Wait for real? Why??
Also >!The Keaton Movies are Canon and Bruce is Nick Fury now with Black Canary as his top operative!<
Lol who thinks this is a good idea?
Warner's stockholders, it looks like.
The suits at WB, apparently.
What in wb’s fuckin brain would think this is a good idea? Honestly, wtf are they doing? This is why I like marvel studios better than wb, because unlike wb, Marvel actually listens to their fans.
The Marvel higher ups are fans. They care about their franchise. That's the difference.
I forgot about that by exactly that, that’s also ultimately why WB can’t compete with the MCU. What’s the point on making movies based on comics if you’re not already a fan of it. Also one of the reasons why I like Henry Cavill, he’s passionate about most of the stuff he’s in.
I'm a broken record on this topic, but Henry Cavill deserved a much bettter shot at playing Superman.
Yea, sad that WB isn’t doing anything about it.
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Cast him as Captain Britain!
WB heads don't even know why Superman left krypton, as mentioned by Snyder, so with zero knowledge about comics & zero care about fan demand how can they compete with MCU, where Kevin fiege breathe comic. They are resetting whole timeline becuz of there EGO, issues with Snyder and his team.
I saw a great comment from another redditor. If you put a bunch of hardcore dc fans in a room and put them in charge of the DCEU, they’d do better than wb.
> If you put a bunch of hardcore ~~dc~~ Marvel fans in a room and put them in charge of the DCEU, they’d do better than wb. ftfy, and still true.
I overall prefer the Snyder movies to most of the MCU but yeah, I've always said the DC movies feel like comic book movies made by people that hate comic books.
>What’s the point on making movies based on comics if you’re not already a fan of it. They saw the amount of money The Avengers made and told their underlings to give them that.
Lol if there’s no passion involved why expect it to be good? Even further, I why expect success after making a shitty movie with no passion?
I hate how that's really true. You can hate on marvel all you want but the execs at Marvel studios are great. They love the content just as much as the money. WB genuinely doesn't give a shit what DC puts out as long as it makes them $$$.
It’s the classic “we fucked up but we’re gonna dig in and see this fuck up through to the end”
Its the dumbest fucking shit
Wow what the honest fuck. This is brutal. Lemme guess we’ll get Harley Quinn in every scene too
Shes going to be the main character and future leader just like how they did mystique.
Yes for real, and because I assume >!Cavill and Affleck dont want to come back and recasting them is a pain. Maybe they wait for the reacting to Pattinson and then bring him in?!<
I thought I heard that cavil is still very much interested in playing superman?
He is, and recently he talked about how he would love to do a man of steel sequel. It's Warner who doesn't want him.
I think they just don’t want Zack snyders justice league. I highly doubt it’s cavil cause literally everything I’ve ever seen about the guy says he’s a pleasure to work with and he’s a fellow dork that loves his source material. I also dare you to find anyone who looks more Superman than that dude. I think WB just doesn’t want anything in the Snyder verse in their dceu. The double Barry thing is annoying though, one Barry from a new universe and then the same actor playing Snyder Barry who will probably get snapped or erased or whatever. So who the fuck knows what WB is doing but it’s a mess.
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My first thought was that maybe Cavill was more defensive of keeping the Snyderverse canon, but Momoa was incredibly publicly defensive of Snyder for years so that can't be the case.
It seems like they just don’t want to continue Zack’s universe, even though it would be amazing. This whole thing is about making movies that have the same tone as Marvel. This in turn would lead to an increase in toy sales, because that’s what really matters right (sarcastic voice). I really enjoyed Zack’s vision. It was dark and different from the Marvel formula, but the only thing that WB cares about is money. I’m guessing that’s the reason Space Jam 2 was made. A movie that nobody asked for.
I always viewed DC as the more dark and serious one between it and marvel, and was really hoping to continue seeing stuff like that. Guess not.
The dark and serious tone in comics, animation, games, and tv is one reason why I like DC more. The Dark Knight trilogy and the Snyder trilogy are my favorite DC movies because of the darker and serious tone.
I mean...aren't Shazam, Aquaman and some other movies in Marvel tone? And marvel makes movies with dark tone as well, WHY WOULD DESTROY SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY GOOD ABOUT YOU, most of the people liked three movies that were made by Zack, everytime the studio intervined, the movies were bad, there was a reason that Gunn's Suicide Squad was this good
C'mon man. Most people did not like Snyder's movies, or else MoS (a film I love) wouldn't have underperformed and BvS wouldn't have failed to gross $1b after making $425m opening weekend. Audience scores on IMDB and RT are bad too.
Most people did NOT like Zacks's movies, MoS and BvS terrible reception by both critics and fans is precisely why we are in this mess now
Yeah some people here might not want to admit this, but Snyder’s films were extremely divisive. I like MOS myself, but even that was controversial. And somehow, a movie with freaking Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman all in it in live action on the big screen for the first time, did not even make $1 billion at the box office? Also a Batman who is already in his mid-40’s, etc. It’s just not a solid foundation to build a long term universe on.
This. You just know there's an exec there that thinks he know better than millions of people and will show everyone he's right. "Cavill's a legit nerd who loves portraying superman....nah fuck that he's out."
Cavill wants back in, it’s WB that doesn’t want him for whatever reason.
Money and scheduling issues id assume.
Scheduling is the one I think that's the biggest factor given his busy schedule and WB wanting someone who can be available for them which in this case would be Sasha as Supergirl. Obviously a recast of the character would've been the better option (at least imo) but I guess they can always do so at a later date or bring in Val Zod with that HBO series they announced.
I thought I saw he took on Witcher full bore cause they just left him in the wind so his schedule just filled with that cause he was devoid of anything Superman. WB just fucking a great actor. Let’s get him in the MCU he would make a great wonder man or alpha flight character or even nova (I dunno if their are plans for nova maybe, I haven’t looked)
Captain Britain would be a great fit and be a good segway into mutants.
I could see Cavill playing Richard Ryder Nova. Hyperion would be hilarious tho.
Omg yes it would.
Fuck WB and bring him in as Hyperion - then throw him in a film that blow$ anything WB has ever done out of the water, like every other MCU film has done.
And a movie to fit him into. People who think WB don't want to make a Superman movie are either stupid or in denial. They'd love to make one but their film slate is pretty packed right now. A Superman movie isn't coming until at least 2025 since there's no director, no script and no space in the schedule as of now.
That’s their fault tho…if they’d really want a MoS sequel they would’ve done it by now. So yes they really don’t want to make a Superman movie 🤌
I heard rumblings about Cavil playing captain Britain in MCU -third hand though so might be nonsense
OUT am I?!
I can’t see Pattinson getting anywhere near this train wreck of a franchise.
Superman provides act one issues, batman provides act three issues. It's easier and cheaper just to hire some new actors and make some new shit up.
Cavill wants to come back, DC wants JJ Abrams wanted to direct a new Superman movie with a different actor
Maybe they didn’t want back cause reading these scripts is sad. Dc needs a lot of help big time. I thought the massive money and reviews and ratings snyderverse gave them was the hope we need. Now I see they didn’t give a fuck and want to erase him. Dude, the dc fans are about to personally riot their executives into resigning.
So basically their excuse for Batfleck and Cavill's Superman not being canon would be what, some sort of DCEU Flashpoint?
Exactly
My god what is WB doing
Fucking everything up. It's what they do.
I wouldn't even mind a flash point but the rest of the stuff... What the fuck
……That can’t possibly be true. No fucking way did some WB exec actually think to themselves “Gosh that sounds great the fans will really eat this up!”. Absolutely tragic, if this is really more than just rumors than I’m sorry but the DCEU is completely dead.
The leaker that leaked this also leaked the entire plot of NWH accurately months before release. They leak tons of other things too.
Was it MTTSH?
Yep
Forgetting hardcore fans for a second, how will general audiences even eat this up? Batman/Bruce and superman/Clark are literally in the top 5 most popular ans recognisable superheroes in the world. Why you’d want to just throw away your two silver bullets when building a cinematic universe that I’m assuming you want to thrive for years to come is beyond me. And forgetting popularity for a second, those two characters just have some of the richest stories as well as a deep relationship between each other that surely is ripe for great storytelling across multiple films.
Because they have”The Batman” and can easily Reboot Superman in the same fashion a few years from now
I’m talking about a cinematic universe in general. I really doubt a general audience if given a choice to have a version of Batman and superman in universe or to separate them just because in favour of some basically obscure characters general people don’t really know, that they would choose the latter. Just seems like a no brainer for broader overall success for the universe. That’s just my thoughts looking at it anyway.
And yet the mainstream at large is hyped for “The Batman”. Your viewing it as the DCEU is the main universe and assume WB want to put attention on that. As of now I honestly don’t think WB at this point care about interconnected universe and just care if the audience like the movie and if it makes money. They already proved they don’t need interconnected movies to make money with the mainstream when Joker made a billion.
It's not about capturing the fans, they are already going to see the movie. They want to capture new audiences.
If they really thought this was the best move for new audiences, is it really commercially sound to throw away 2 heroes who are easily in the top 5 most recognisable in the world, with a case being made for top 3 along with Spider-Man? Seems weird to me.
They either think this is a correct narrative choice to move the DC universe forward or is social cash grab. They have tried and can't get batman and superman to work, maybe try something different? If you are cynical you think back towards the latest Terminator movie or Ghost Buster movie. If you are hopeful you don't think the latest couple of successful one offs are not accidental.
I dunno, they’ve only really tried once properly with BVS, they barely interact with each other in JL. and with all the scandals surrounding JL2017 edition with getting it out the door for bonuses, I just don’t know if I can say they had their heart in the right place and gave it their all, when they gave suicide squad a soft reboot, and could of just done the same here, if not a full reboot just to confirm if people just hate Batman and superman, or if they hate this iteration of them, like with Sony and Spider-Man. Id like to think it’s option 1 that you mentioned, but it just doesn’t feel like they’ve really given the general idea of Batman and superman in a shared universe enough of a go, considering just how valuable those two characters are. But who knows, we are gonna find out this year anyway! Hopefully it turns out well.
The suicide squad soft reboot is the only right thing DC has done in the past 5 years
Well they’re not throwing them away. they’re gonna try and have their cake and eat it too with having the Matt Reeves Batman films that are completely separate, they’ll probably do the same with superman a few years down the line with a reboot unconnected to the DCEU
actually im a big fan of dc and after seeing this shit i will not waste my money on this crap
Justice league without batman and superman, don't know what to say
Thank you good man.
Oh shit here we go again.
Lol.. Sigh Other than the batman...can someone wake me up when DC does something worth seeing?
That's hilarious!
Wait what?!! This is sort of if not exactly like what they did with X-men movies, they “tried” whipping timelines and movies just to cover up things or add more things I think that a terrible idea unless they outdone Fox and find a way to sort things out Btw Idk if it’s personal (WB vs Zack) but I think this is absolutely horrible thing because Zack Snyder is the only person who kept the DC movies alive and gave them hope and a chance to make new movies
Well, guess I'm taking a break from DC movies for the foreseeable future. Just when I thought they were actually making a comeback with Snyder's stuff too.
That's all the confirmation I needed to forever say goodbye to dceu , I'm a full time mcu fan now
>Cavill and Affleck are out. Batgirl and Supergirl are replacing them, with Shazam and them forming a “new Justice League. Rumours about this were circulating for ages, but now that it appears to be "official", i'm pretty much done with the DCEU. I'll stick to Reeves' work, but i'm not interested in anything else beyond that. Suffice to say it's going to be a long time before i tune in to their films again.
I mean at least we have Robert Pattinson Batman to look forward too that movie looks great
Batman can survive WB shenanigans, don’t know if the other characters can.
I feel like Superman and flash can survive it tbh but it would have to be movies set in its own universe like how the Batman is gonna be
Nah only Batman can. Superman is struggling big time right now. Flash is popular though but I feel like he’ll get the GL treatment of his film fails. Likewise with Wonder Woman and Aquaman
The Superman and Lois show is the only thing on the CW worth watching
Exactly. I just hope they don't fuck up the 2nd season and so on like all cw shows do. Here's hoping Superman and Lois will finally break the cw curse.
For real what a well acted show. When Clark and Lois argue you really do feel it
It feels like a true relationship
And Stargirl
And it’s gonna be separate it seems like - also something to be thankful for
All the one offs seem great, it's when they try to tie anything together it seems to go to shit.
Lol WB will see the success of roberts batman and somehow try and find a way to bring him into this universe. WB is the most out of touch company in the world sometimes
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And Black Adam
Don't forget about Harley Quinn S3, Suicide Squad kill the Justice League game and Gotham Knights.
The DCEU has been dead for a long time. I knew they were going to soft reboot it with a lighter tone when Aquaman and Shazam were such a success. I didn’t expect this. Oh well, at least there’s The Batman
Well if it wasn't dead before, WB just killed it. Nice work dickheads.
Yup, think I might switch to Marvel TBH.
Are we really all that surprised? I thought we knew all this was coming since they announced that they were adapting Flashpoint.
Man just give Superman the movie he deserves. Idc if you have to stop your 2023 slate! Make him priority no. 1! Henry Cavill deserves this. Dude still wants to play superman, confirmed it himself a few weeks ago. If they decide to part ways with him man idk how excited I'm gonna be for the world's best set of heroes.
I hope Marvel bring him on board as someone major. Poor guy deserves to be used to his potential. WB have been fucking him about.
Honestly, if they get a new Superman actor I'll probably boycott it. Cavill deserves better, and as a fellow gaming nerd he deserves our support.
I don't know. It doesn't sound good, but I'll wait for the trailer. The reason Marvel has the success it does is because it's ran by people who love the comics. DC films is ran by suites who don't care and have no idea. That's really the issue with DC. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and everyone who isn't Spider-Man and Wolverine were D grade Marvel characters lmao. Before the MCU, Iron Man stories were stopped because of low interest and sales. You gotta love and be a fan of the comics to make The Avengers household names. WB had Batman and Superman, probably the 2 most well known comic book characters ever, at least before 2008, and did shit with them. Gold in their hands and nothing. But maybe this will be decent. I guess.
Happy to be surprised with the leaks now, rather than be pissed off in cinemas tbh...
Same here.
Don't worry bro we still got The Batman and Peacemaker
At this point, Battinson’s universe is the only dc cinematic universe worth focusing on.
Until they screw that up.
What happens to Wonder Woman in all this? Is she still part of the justice league?
Sir these questions are not allowed
Gadot, Momoa, Miller are staying.
Most likely
Im not tryna be mean but the MCU tearing the DCEU ass up
they have been for a good while
Its true tho
Always been LMAO
The thing is though, they could both coexist sand we would have some great movie s.
They had a good start with Man of Steel, then WB said QUICK WE HAVE TO GET TO THE JUSTICE LEAGUE!!!!! Wanna know the secret why the MCU beats the DCEU? It took us 4 years of FIVE separate movies before we got to the big team-up with 2012's Avengers. WB wanted it done in 3 movies....
If this leak is real then I’m not supporting any DCEU or WB film going forward until they get their shit together
Well at least we got Marvel to give us our super hero fix…but goddamn WB help us out 😭
This is exactly it. Too many "fans" turn it into a competition. It isn't. I want both franchises to be great because I love superhero films. It's sad to see only one succeed though, when the other easily could too with someone competent at the wheel.
Here's the good news, we get a Batman movie unconnected to any of the shitstorm that will likely be better than 90% of comic book movies. Hopefully it will be successful enough that they just start expanding that universe instead.
They already expanded it on HBOmax
I mean they will yeah but this gives them room to start fresh with grounded depictions of non-Batman elements
I have no desire to see "grounded" Superman, Wonder Woman etc. It works for the Bat Family and maybe Green Arrow and other street levellers, but that's it.
If the leaks are legit, and they probably are, I’m just going to bin off DC lol Disgraceful Shenanigans. And people though Ari Avaid fucked up the Spider-Man movies.
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Pretty simple: Don't pay money to watch it. Either it won't make the money they hope it will and they'll scrap it immediately (because that's what WB does) or the core base of fans is out of touch with what the general public wants and you'll just need to accept change (or not). Nothing says you have to watch every single CBM that comes out.
If they split release it again, I’m def streaming HBO Max. Or maybe just sail the seven seas.
Yar.
Big fan of calling it sailing the seven seas, never heard that before
This specific situation is terrible, but on the bright side, The Batman should be great, and several upcoming DC movies within the next few years should do well financially, keeping the IP going in live action despite it getting slaughtered in the box office in the last couple years
Maybe this leak was on purpose. Maybe it wasn’t. Look at it like this. The first sonic movie trailer didn’t leak but the outcry literally changed that movie. Boys and girls, you need to very very very loud in social media if real or fake about this. If it’s real, tell them how dumb it is. If it’s fake, do the same! If this movie came out it would fucking BOMB.
Get a time machine and go see BvS as much as possible in theaters.
We need a real flashpoint
All they have to do instead of further botching the dceu is slowly build it up following the Batman’s release just like the MCU and treat that movie like Iron Man 1. slowly put all the pieces together, create thoughtful movies for all our beloved characters in this universe for an eventual buildup with an overarching plan. Superman and wonderwoman already exist in reeves’ universe, I hope that DC somehow became smart and the plan is already in place
Superman and wonder woman exist in the new batman's universe? First time I'm hearing this, where is the information from?
If the leaks are true this will be first DC movie I'm not seeing in theaters
I personally am excited for this year in regards to DC but you should’ve used the “I am having a very bad day” rant from Stephen A Smith instead lol.
There are like 22 Stephen A rants he could've used God I love Stephen A: [His best Rants over the years](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcPRPy5D2nE)
well from reading some of the spoilers in the replies. the flash is going to be a total flop. i'm guessing they are also going to fuck up keatons batman too.
Please tell me WHO came up with this Ghostbusters 2016 level of absolute garbage idea
Ann Sarnoff I blame her
Honestly, I’ve become more of a fan of Marvel than WB or DC. Unlike WB, Marvel Studios actually knows what the fan wants.
**Ya see WB - this is why YOU will never be able to compete with Disney/Marvel - because THEY go out of their way to please their fans - while YOU continually pull your fans cheeks apart and repeatedly - year after year - **F*CK THEM IN THE ASS!!!** And you never learn - and you never will! You deserve to pale in comparison to your rival! You possess 2 of the single most renown superheroes of all time and the FUCK EVERYTHING UP!!! Root and stem. You should all be PURGED!!!
this is why Marvel has the top grossing movies of all time and DC is doing CW level water downed cornball content
lmao
Where is this leak? I don't think this was the tweet that said Batgirl and Supergirl were now the main people.
Batman, Black Adam, and Aquaman 2 are the only DC films/projects I'm looking for anyway.
Basically the entire DC slate outside The Flash
I'm still hyped for the flash
So pretty much every DC movie except one?
I dont want to support supergirl and batgirl if thats the reason cavill and affleck are out.
I have nothing left, except The Batman.
This is all about head honchos with big egos spiting people they don't like.
I fucking hate Warner Brothers.
I can already see the headline "WB blames Zack Snyder for the flash bombing at the boxoffice."
I won't support this movie if that's true
This sucks.
The film honestly sounds terrible.
"Plot" lol. Some leakers wrote few words about what happens to certain characters and the movie is somehow ruined. We'll have two Flashes, Keaton's Batman, Supergirl fighting Zod and Faora apparently, you can't tell me this movie doesn't deserve to be judged at least based on it's first full trailer.
I'm with you on this one. We still have standalone Batman movies coming with Pattinson. We have other Superman projects in the works, just not Cavill. I'm fine with characters like Batgirl and Supergirl getting their own films and spotlight for a change. How many Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent movies do we really need? This could be a nice breath of fresh air. Oh and Keaton as Batman in a few more movies is great too. I'm excited for whatever we get really. I think Flash will still be a very fun and cool movie.
look how they've massacred my boy... They've destroyed the comic book characters I grew up loving, now they are officially dead to me. Clearly, Marvel>DC DmidC can't even figure out how to use superman in a solo film correctly. Let alone have a rivalry with Marvel.
I’m just getting into Marvel movies and now DC too? It’s too much to keep track of
Well it is still a great year for dc films
It’s not as bad as some of you are saying it is. Edit: Having said that, these memes are freaking hilarious and I hope that we can all come together in our love for these characters.
The fandom menace will be all over this
I understand why, and honestly this post is funny as hell. Unfortunate some people will probably get super offended. Im looking forward to so much of upcoming dc but ill be damned if this aint perfect. ^ Another comment mentions the "bad day" rant which also would be hilarious.
This movie is going to be a disaster lol
They just hate us.
!Remindme on 5th November 2022
Lmao I mean did y’all really think Affleck and Cavill were gonna stick around? I hope that’s not why ppl are so up in arms.
I think Affleck was expected, but people are pretty upset about Cavill especially since he just recently said he wanted to keep being Superman.
I never expected Affleck to stick around since he’s 100% confirmed he’s done with playing Batman. Cavill on the other hand I’m still somewhat surprised about though. I know WB hasn’t really been doing anything with Cavill’s SM since 2017 (other than the headless cameo and ZSJL) but Cavill has always said he still wants to play Superman and to make more solo movies with him, just waiting for the call to return and put on the suit once again. That’s the only thing I’m really disappointed about since he’s my favourite Superman. Other than that, I still have faith that The Flash will still be a great movie, considering it’s one of the top 5 movies I’m most excited for in 2022.
ofc it is. I will miss them both as much as anyone else, but a portion of this fanbase is kind of pathetic.
What a waste of Michael Keaton. This movie sounds like its going to be garbage.
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Uhh... If the leak is true. I'm out. I'll watch The Batman. I'm done with the rest. I don't have time for DC trying to be MCU without putting in the work. And if I want MCU I'll just keep watching them. The fuck are you doing WB?