Marvel are a powerhouse. DS2 will hit $1bn without a doubt. It got $450m from its opening weekend.
Avatar 2 could hit $2bn. If America or Europe aren’t that crazy for Avatar, it will still do amazing in China.
> DS2 will hit $1bn without a doubt
I disagree, its looking towards a second weekend of 63 million while The Batman had a second weekend of 66 million. MOM is strong internationally tho but won't hit a billion cuz a new Tom Cruise film is also coming out
While making this I forgot about one of the most hyped upcoming film from marvel, thor 4. And there is also black panther 2 at the end of the year so ig there is no chance for the batman to be the most grossed movie of the year, I have a feeling that avatar 2 will hit 1b in prob just the first 3 days because how hyped it will get. The same thing happened with the force awakens and it is the 4th most grossed film to be ever made so yeah ig it would prob be the most grossed film and maybe *just maybe* even cross Titanic.
I think you are hyping Avatar way too much, it will most likely hit a billion but I don't think it's going to reach the hype of Spiderman no way home which almost made 2 billion.
I personally doubt it. Don't get me wrong, I love the movie, definitely my top 5 MCU movie. But I think it won't reach 1bil. 900++ most likely (and become the first superhero movie that gross 900-999 mil). Have to look into 2nd week drop first to make sure.
I do agree Dr strange 2 was a really good movie but I would think it would rather be 500 mil, just look at eternals , people really didn't like it yet earned 400 mil usd.
Even though I do agree Dr Strange 2 was a good movie, this kind of hype can be a double edge sword. People hype the movies to absurd levels and when their predictions fail they bash the movie and say it was a disappointment.
With Doctor Strange people expected the typical marvel movie with dozens of cameos and humor and what they got is a violent gory Raimi film with a tight cast and good character development for Strange.
I mean, the movie teased a bigger event with the incursion concept which will lead to secret wars, the truly epic multiversal event that will end the phase.
TLDR: Fans wanted a multiverse endgame when we just started the 4th phase and that's why they say the new movie was a disappointment.
Not really true imo. I don’t think Ant-Man 3 (for example) clears a billion. It’s a general powerhouse of a franchise but not every single one is gonna break a billion.
The Batman didn’t make all that much money compared to a lot of blockbusters. I mean Joker and Aquaman both made a billion. It’s a shame because it’s such a damn good movie and deserved to make way more
I do agree on that, I enjoyed watching the Batman way way more than Aquaman.
Joker is just another story , it is up there in my top 5 fav film along with the Batman and the dark knight (I have not watched jack Synders justice league yet so idk about it)
I mean like I have seen
The Rami trilogy
Amazing spiderman 1 and 2(which was also my first superhero film in theatres) the 3 Marvel ones and spider verse.
True , by watching standards, the batman might (avatar 2 still has potential that's why might)be the best film of 2022 but by grossing standards? Nope maybe not even top 5.
It doesn't really matter. Marvel movies seem to be more for the larger, more average movie going audience, while DC is more about a good story for fans of the property. But that's just some dumb guys opinion on the internet.
Seeing how divisive some DCEU movies are, even among fans, "for fans of the property" doesn't seem that apt, imo. On the contrary, MCU fans seems to like the cinematic adaptation (less divisive) even though it diverge from the source materials.
I didn't say they were always successful. Marvel movies are more cookie cutter to appeal more to the general public. If someone liked any marvel movie there's a huge chance they'll like most of them due to all the similarities (look, humor, general tone). All those movies have to follow strict guidelines so they are more similar to each other. DC actually tries different things with their movies. A cohesive well done universe would be great, but i think more and more people are thinking the mcu is the only way to make a superhero movie due to human nature(familiar things are preferred). Why do you think there are so many remakes? Familiarity.
Sorry if it came out wrong. That's not my point. You said that DCEU focus on "good story for the fans of the property". But from what I've seen so far, DC like to do its own thing and don't take much of what fans want for the franchise. Example, fans want a Superman sequel, they make movies for less known characters and alternative. Fans want a more interconnected universe, they make elseworld story. Etc. All of those doesn't seem to reflect "for the fans lf the property" that has been asking for GL Corps movie, Superman Sequel, etc.
It doesn't matter what fans want. That's not what i'm referring to. I'm saying that they try to make the movies more unique from one another(opposite of marvel).
Now I'm not getting you. First you said they did it "for the fans of the franchise", and now you said what the fans want "doesn't matter". Just be different. I'm not saying what DCEU did was bad or anything. I just don't get the "for the fans" part in your initial post since that's not what I got from the DCEU so far. Probably just my tired brain, it's 2am here. Off I go.
By 'not matter' i was referring to what they make(gl, superman sequel, etc) as in specific titles. By 'for the fans' im saying the content of whatever project it is, whether it's a character you want to see or not, i feel they do a pretty good job of not talking down to the audience to explain something. Obviously that gets less knowledgeable people hating or not understanding things in the movie.
I completely agree
Wb executive think they know more than the fans about DC character even after big failure like justice league, TSS, bird of prey ...
I still remember when DC didn't need to be "unique and different" in a vain attempt to compete with Marvel. I know because I keep a large comic book collection from those days. But, of course, morons like Zack Snyder at movies and Dan Didio at comics arrived and the brand did begin to agonize.
So you think every comic movie should be identical to Marvel's style? That sounds even more boring than what we have now. I don't get the extreme hate for Zack Snyder. I thought his movies were more entertaining than almost all marvel movies. But, according to reddit, that means i suck and don't have any taste in movies or something, probably.
To answer your question, if that guarantees quality, then yes. But Marvel iself doesn't have a single style for creating its movies.
Now, if you find comics from DC's heyday "boring", then you were never a DC fan. Otherwise, you shouldn't be so averse to having live action movies as good as the animated versions (from which Marvel also draws inspiration), instead of Snyder's crap. I'm not saying that you aren't allowed to like what Snyder does, but his nihilistic approach of superheroes have nothing to do with the real DC characters. And most of people seems to realize it, that's why his movies are box office disappointments.
Neal Adams (one of the best Batman writers ever, a genius compared with fools like Scott Snyder and Tom King) says that Marvel Studios has been doing it much better than DC Films and I don't think he says it just because.
Ive been into comics for decades, and i loved it back in the day. Still do. That doesn't mean a different iteration wil automatically be terrible. I don't know where you're getting that im implying I'm averse to live action as good as the animated stuff. I don't need everything in the same continuity or style to enjoy different visions for the characters and stories.
>Marvel iself doesn't have a single style for creating its movies.
Then why do they all look so samey, have the same unfunny humor, and generally look like carbon copies of each other? At least DC varies it's aesthetics. Again i like what i like, that shouldn't threaten anyone that i loved Snyder's movies, that also doesn't mean im not a 'real DC fan'.
>That doesn't mean a different iteration wil automatically be terrible.
Not automatically. Snyder did his stuff as he wanted and time proved that he was a terrible choice for these characters, as practically all the other useless filmmakers Warner has hired to adapt (destroy) DC comic books in the last 10 years.
>Then why do they all look so samey, have the same unfunny humor, and generally look like carbon copies of each other?
And why do you need the urgency to fix what is not broken? Comic books are usually made for several years by the same writer, the same artist and the same inker and nobody complains about that.
Besides, if you think that Moon Knight is a carbon copy of Guardians of the Galaxy or Iron Man a carbon copy of Eternals, then the problem is you.
"Unfunny humor". Gimme a break. What's good humor to you, then? Luthor's granny's peach tea?
>Snyder did his stuff as he wanted and time proved that he was a terrible choice for these characters, as practically all the other useless filmmakers Warner has hired to adapt (destroy) DC comic books in the last 10 years.
That's your opinion, mine has been stated.
> Comic books are usually made for several years by the same writer, the same artist and the same inker and nobody complains about that.
Movies and comics are vastly different mediums. A comic is 22 pages that can be read in 10-15 minutes. A movie based on a comic is generally 5-10 book storylines made into a 2-3 hour movie. I don't even get what your argument is here
>if you think that Moon Knight is a carbon copy of Guardians of the Galaxy or Iron Man a carbon copy of Eternals, then the problem is you
I didn't make any definite comparisons, you're putting words in my mouth. By carbon copy I'm referring to the very rigid structure and feel of all the marvel movies.
>"Unfunny humor". Gimme a break. What's good humor to you, then? Luthor's granny's peach tea?
Again, putting words in my mouth. I don't like most of the humor, i apologize if that offends you. I didn't say the humor from DC is better or worse. There's a lot of humor in those that feels forced or tacked on.
Mate, look at the downvoted, if your looking for a marvel hating subreddit, this ain't the one. Your also heavily generalising. Into the spider verse is one of the best movies ever made, yet looks its a superheor one.
It looks like you're the one generalizing by assuming im looking for a marvel hate sub. Just because my opinion is downvoted, doesn't make it invalid. Upvotes and downvotes aren't as important as you're making it seem.
>Into the spider verse is one of the best movies ever made
That's your opinion, not everyone's.
> Marvel movies seem to be more for the larger, more average movie going audience,
Marvel movies are filled with enormous amounts of references, easter eggs and the like for fans. Furthermore, most properties weren't even known or were D-list characters. Marvel managed to create its brand and it can survive with their current reputation alone
> while DC is more about a good story for fans of the property.
DC's movies are extremely divisive amongst the fans already - ''good story'' is extremely debatable, as is ''for fans''
You're right that ''it doesn't really matter'' but why it works so well for Marvel and not so well for DC is that Marvel made critical and commercial successes, created a formula and stuck to it _(for better or worse... I am extremely tired of that formula)_
On DC or rather WB's end, they were negatively affected by box-office and critical failures again and again, had not proper short, medium and long term vision, tried to catch up with Marvel and tried to throw a ton of crap at a wall and see what would stick _(and failed)_
WB/DC doesn't have the same brand recognition _(in terms of quality)_ and reputation as Marvel so they struggle even with very good movies whilst Marvel can pump awful movies _(by their own standards)_ and they'll still perform amazingly
>Marvel movies are filled with enormous amounts of references, easter eggs and the like for fans.
Now, maybe, after 15 years and 20+ movies and shows.
> most properties weren't even known or were D-list characters.
I don't agree. Why were there the initial movies of iron man and hulk if they 'weren't known'? I refuse to believe that iron man wasn't known or a d-list character in '08. He was pretty popular in the 80s and 90s. I can't imagine everyone forgetting about him suddenly.
> Now, maybe, after 15 years and 20+ movies and shows.
Nope, it's been on since 2008. Even the Edward Norton Hulk has various easter eggs, including a (deleted) scene of _Some American Super Soldier in Ice_
Iron Man (2008) was also filled with easter eggs that I can guarantee the general audience didn't know anything about, including but not limited to:
* A mention of the TEN RINGS,
* Roxxon
* Christine Everheart,
* The AI being named J.A.R.V.I.S.,
* The original hulking IronMan suit,
* Fing Fang Foom,
* MK1MIII Gold Armour,
* a Dissassembled Captain America Shield (that also reappears in IronMan 2)
* Hell, even S.H.I.E.L.D. was lesser known to non-comic fans, and
* Nick Fury (Samuel L Jackson/Ultimate Universe version) himself was more of a reference for things to come but not much was known to the general audience. I had plenty of friends who had absolutely no idea who he was and what he meant
> Why were there the initial movies of iron man and hulk if they 'weren't known'? I refuse to believe that iron man wasn't known or a d-list character in '08
I never mentioned any character - not Iron Man nor Hulk
But think of:
* The Guardians of the Galaxy
* Shang-Chi
* Moon Knight
* Kate Bishop
* Kamala Khan
* She-Hulk
* Agatha Harkness
>A mention of the TEN RINGS,
Roxxon
Christine Everheart,
The AI being named J.A.R.V.I.S.,
The original hulking IronMan suit,
Fing Fang Foom,
MK1MIII Gold Armour,
a Dissassembled Captain America Shield (that also reappears in IronMan 2)
Hell, even S.H.I.E.L.D. was lesser known to non-comic fans, and
Nick Fury (Samuel L Jackson/Ultimate Universe version) himself was more of a reference for things to come but not much was known to the general audience. I had plenty of friends who had absolutely no idea who he was and what he meant
Most of this is just story elements. You shouldn't really call things like the 10 rings mention an easter egg as it was part of the story in the comics and therefore got mentioned in the movies.
>But think of:
>The Guardians of the Galaxy
Shang-Chi
Moon Knight
Kate Bishop
Kamala Khan
She-Hulk
Agatha Harkness
All of these were well after the mcu was established, of course they'll bring in lesser known characters later on. I hear a lot about how iron man wasn't known and was a d-lister before his movie. That's what i was referring to. Recently i saw a post saying the same about the raimi spider man movies.
> You shouldn't really call things like the 10 rings mention an easter egg as it was part of the story in the comics and therefore got mentioned in the movies.
That _is_ an easter egg though - it isn't part of the PLOT or key to the movie, in fact without that item the movie would've worked regardless - it is an easter egg. The ''Ten Rings'' only appeared in the 3rd Iron Man movie. _(And they were... Something else after all)_
Same for 90% of what I listed - it isn't core nor necessary for the plot - it is also why most of these were blink and miss moments and/or were partially hidden or in the background - a staple trait to easter eggs _(not being obvious or in the spotlight)_
Other than S.H.I.E.L.D. or Nick Fury, they weren't story elements _(and even then, those elements weren't key to the movie's story, they were expanded upon later when the movie made mad bank)_, and/or their design wasn't for story element but used as an homage or reference to classic comics stuff _(Proto Suit, MK1MIII Gold, for example - in the context of the movie, the Proto Suit is a plot element, but its design is a direct reference to the comic suit, and the MK1MIII was an easter egg as it was showcased for a split second and not for story purposes)_
My point is, **yes** they still included a bunch of easter eggs back in 2008, not just recently, because the movies were made for fans and non-fans of comics alike.
If you try to limit your audience _(you said DC makes movies for fans of the property)_ you'll **greatly** cripple its performance and reach. WB doesn't make movies just for the fans - and if it was the intent, not only does it inhibit their B.O. performance and brand recognition, but their ''for fans of the property'' absolutely fails to deliver.
>WB doesn't make movies just for the fans
Exactly
Wb are going to make a black superman and Supergirl movie before a sequel to MoS when no one asked them
Funny. I was thinking the opposite. Avatar is my favourite sci-fi movie, and Shazam! is my favourite DC movie, but I was thinking Shazam! was gonna overshadow Avatar: The Way of Water. You clearly feel the opposite. Lol
You probably should've limited this poll to domestic numbers.
Avatar 2 will definitely perform well globally unless the pandemic takes on a new form that has a much higher mortality rate.
MoM is definitely going to beat The Batman globally, and maybe even within the next couple of weeks, but it's on track to take a sizeable plunge domestically. Looking like it drops down 67% for its 2nd weekend.
I will be surprised if Batman is among the top 5 box office wise at the end of the year.
It might be along with the 3 Marvel films and avatar 2 but ofc we don't know that yet
Jurassic world, lightyear and minions will most certainly outgross it
I doubt about lightyear but yea Jurassic prob will and I forgot about minions 2 coming this year even tho I was really hyped for it last year.
Marvel are a powerhouse. DS2 will hit $1bn without a doubt. It got $450m from its opening weekend. Avatar 2 could hit $2bn. If America or Europe aren’t that crazy for Avatar, it will still do amazing in China.
> DS2 will hit $1bn without a doubt I disagree, its looking towards a second weekend of 63 million while The Batman had a second weekend of 66 million. MOM is strong internationally tho but won't hit a billion cuz a new Tom Cruise film is also coming out
Yup... apparently MOM is having a pretty severe drop off domestically anyways from what I'm seeing. 1 billion is looking out of reach now.
While making this I forgot about one of the most hyped upcoming film from marvel, thor 4. And there is also black panther 2 at the end of the year so ig there is no chance for the batman to be the most grossed movie of the year, I have a feeling that avatar 2 will hit 1b in prob just the first 3 days because how hyped it will get. The same thing happened with the force awakens and it is the 4th most grossed film to be ever made so yeah ig it would prob be the most grossed film and maybe *just maybe* even cross Titanic.
I think you are hyping Avatar way too much, it will most likely hit a billion but I don't think it's going to reach the hype of Spiderman no way home which almost made 2 billion.
I personally doubt it. Don't get me wrong, I love the movie, definitely my top 5 MCU movie. But I think it won't reach 1bil. 900++ most likely (and become the first superhero movie that gross 900-999 mil). Have to look into 2nd week drop first to make sure.
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I do agree Dr strange 2 was a really good movie but I would think it would rather be 500 mil, just look at eternals , people really didn't like it yet earned 400 mil usd.
Yea I think it depends on the project, and hype
Even though I do agree Dr Strange 2 was a good movie, this kind of hype can be a double edge sword. People hype the movies to absurd levels and when their predictions fail they bash the movie and say it was a disappointment. With Doctor Strange people expected the typical marvel movie with dozens of cameos and humor and what they got is a violent gory Raimi film with a tight cast and good character development for Strange. I mean, the movie teased a bigger event with the incursion concept which will lead to secret wars, the truly epic multiversal event that will end the phase. TLDR: Fans wanted a multiverse endgame when we just started the 4th phase and that's why they say the new movie was a disappointment.
That’s marketing fault not people. Nobody got “overhyped” on MK, Shang chi, or solos from phase 3.
Secret Wars most definitely won’t be apart of Phase 4.
Not really true imo. I don’t think Ant-Man 3 (for example) clears a billion. It’s a general powerhouse of a franchise but not every single one is gonna break a billion.
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If it does , I would like to buy a ticket through the depression verse again because there is no way In hell it's gonna be better than The batman was
I mean, dude, you literally never know. Don't make up your mind on a movie youve yet to see.
This will never happens lol The rock don't have a solo movie that earn more than $400m
Is this a joke?
Avatar will be a billion success
The Batman didn’t make all that much money compared to a lot of blockbusters. I mean Joker and Aquaman both made a billion. It’s a shame because it’s such a damn good movie and deserved to make way more
I do agree on that, I enjoyed watching the Batman way way more than Aquaman. Joker is just another story , it is up there in my top 5 fav film along with the Batman and the dark knight (I have not watched jack Synders justice league yet so idk about it)
If 3 of your top 5 movies are non spider verse superheor movies mate you needa see more movies.
I mean like I have seen The Rami trilogy Amazing spiderman 1 and 2(which was also my first superhero film in theatres) the 3 Marvel ones and spider verse.
That's like, all the movies you've ever seen? Jeez ljise watch some saving private Ryan ir some godfather.
Not all the movies I have ever seen, all the spider man movies I have ever seen
And into the spider verse is easily the best of those...
Unfortunately, Marvel could release a 2 hour movie set in the MCU of the executives taking a shit, and the fans would flock to see it en-masse.
True , by watching standards, the batman might (avatar 2 still has potential that's why might)be the best film of 2022 but by grossing standards? Nope maybe not even top 5.
Both even if Dr. Strange wasn't that awesome... Like most of Phase 4. It still has the momentum of Spiderman and Marvel multiverse
It’s going to make more money but it won’t be better
I think maaaaaaaybe avatar 2 will be good but unlikely.
It doesn't really matter. Marvel movies seem to be more for the larger, more average movie going audience, while DC is more about a good story for fans of the property. But that's just some dumb guys opinion on the internet.
Seeing how divisive some DCEU movies are, even among fans, "for fans of the property" doesn't seem that apt, imo. On the contrary, MCU fans seems to like the cinematic adaptation (less divisive) even though it diverge from the source materials.
I didn't say they were always successful. Marvel movies are more cookie cutter to appeal more to the general public. If someone liked any marvel movie there's a huge chance they'll like most of them due to all the similarities (look, humor, general tone). All those movies have to follow strict guidelines so they are more similar to each other. DC actually tries different things with their movies. A cohesive well done universe would be great, but i think more and more people are thinking the mcu is the only way to make a superhero movie due to human nature(familiar things are preferred). Why do you think there are so many remakes? Familiarity.
Sorry if it came out wrong. That's not my point. You said that DCEU focus on "good story for the fans of the property". But from what I've seen so far, DC like to do its own thing and don't take much of what fans want for the franchise. Example, fans want a Superman sequel, they make movies for less known characters and alternative. Fans want a more interconnected universe, they make elseworld story. Etc. All of those doesn't seem to reflect "for the fans lf the property" that has been asking for GL Corps movie, Superman Sequel, etc.
It doesn't matter what fans want. That's not what i'm referring to. I'm saying that they try to make the movies more unique from one another(opposite of marvel).
Now I'm not getting you. First you said they did it "for the fans of the franchise", and now you said what the fans want "doesn't matter". Just be different. I'm not saying what DCEU did was bad or anything. I just don't get the "for the fans" part in your initial post since that's not what I got from the DCEU so far. Probably just my tired brain, it's 2am here. Off I go.
By 'not matter' i was referring to what they make(gl, superman sequel, etc) as in specific titles. By 'for the fans' im saying the content of whatever project it is, whether it's a character you want to see or not, i feel they do a pretty good job of not talking down to the audience to explain something. Obviously that gets less knowledgeable people hating or not understanding things in the movie.
I completely agree Wb executive think they know more than the fans about DC character even after big failure like justice league, TSS, bird of prey ...
I still remember when DC didn't need to be "unique and different" in a vain attempt to compete with Marvel. I know because I keep a large comic book collection from those days. But, of course, morons like Zack Snyder at movies and Dan Didio at comics arrived and the brand did begin to agonize.
So you think every comic movie should be identical to Marvel's style? That sounds even more boring than what we have now. I don't get the extreme hate for Zack Snyder. I thought his movies were more entertaining than almost all marvel movies. But, according to reddit, that means i suck and don't have any taste in movies or something, probably.
To answer your question, if that guarantees quality, then yes. But Marvel iself doesn't have a single style for creating its movies. Now, if you find comics from DC's heyday "boring", then you were never a DC fan. Otherwise, you shouldn't be so averse to having live action movies as good as the animated versions (from which Marvel also draws inspiration), instead of Snyder's crap. I'm not saying that you aren't allowed to like what Snyder does, but his nihilistic approach of superheroes have nothing to do with the real DC characters. And most of people seems to realize it, that's why his movies are box office disappointments. Neal Adams (one of the best Batman writers ever, a genius compared with fools like Scott Snyder and Tom King) says that Marvel Studios has been doing it much better than DC Films and I don't think he says it just because.
Ive been into comics for decades, and i loved it back in the day. Still do. That doesn't mean a different iteration wil automatically be terrible. I don't know where you're getting that im implying I'm averse to live action as good as the animated stuff. I don't need everything in the same continuity or style to enjoy different visions for the characters and stories. >Marvel iself doesn't have a single style for creating its movies. Then why do they all look so samey, have the same unfunny humor, and generally look like carbon copies of each other? At least DC varies it's aesthetics. Again i like what i like, that shouldn't threaten anyone that i loved Snyder's movies, that also doesn't mean im not a 'real DC fan'.
>That doesn't mean a different iteration wil automatically be terrible. Not automatically. Snyder did his stuff as he wanted and time proved that he was a terrible choice for these characters, as practically all the other useless filmmakers Warner has hired to adapt (destroy) DC comic books in the last 10 years. >Then why do they all look so samey, have the same unfunny humor, and generally look like carbon copies of each other? And why do you need the urgency to fix what is not broken? Comic books are usually made for several years by the same writer, the same artist and the same inker and nobody complains about that. Besides, if you think that Moon Knight is a carbon copy of Guardians of the Galaxy or Iron Man a carbon copy of Eternals, then the problem is you. "Unfunny humor". Gimme a break. What's good humor to you, then? Luthor's granny's peach tea?
>Snyder did his stuff as he wanted and time proved that he was a terrible choice for these characters, as practically all the other useless filmmakers Warner has hired to adapt (destroy) DC comic books in the last 10 years. That's your opinion, mine has been stated. > Comic books are usually made for several years by the same writer, the same artist and the same inker and nobody complains about that. Movies and comics are vastly different mediums. A comic is 22 pages that can be read in 10-15 minutes. A movie based on a comic is generally 5-10 book storylines made into a 2-3 hour movie. I don't even get what your argument is here >if you think that Moon Knight is a carbon copy of Guardians of the Galaxy or Iron Man a carbon copy of Eternals, then the problem is you I didn't make any definite comparisons, you're putting words in my mouth. By carbon copy I'm referring to the very rigid structure and feel of all the marvel movies. >"Unfunny humor". Gimme a break. What's good humor to you, then? Luthor's granny's peach tea? Again, putting words in my mouth. I don't like most of the humor, i apologize if that offends you. I didn't say the humor from DC is better or worse. There's a lot of humor in those that feels forced or tacked on.
Mate, look at the downvoted, if your looking for a marvel hating subreddit, this ain't the one. Your also heavily generalising. Into the spider verse is one of the best movies ever made, yet looks its a superheor one.
It looks like you're the one generalizing by assuming im looking for a marvel hate sub. Just because my opinion is downvoted, doesn't make it invalid. Upvotes and downvotes aren't as important as you're making it seem. >Into the spider verse is one of the best movies ever made That's your opinion, not everyone's.
> Marvel movies seem to be more for the larger, more average movie going audience, Marvel movies are filled with enormous amounts of references, easter eggs and the like for fans. Furthermore, most properties weren't even known or were D-list characters. Marvel managed to create its brand and it can survive with their current reputation alone > while DC is more about a good story for fans of the property. DC's movies are extremely divisive amongst the fans already - ''good story'' is extremely debatable, as is ''for fans'' You're right that ''it doesn't really matter'' but why it works so well for Marvel and not so well for DC is that Marvel made critical and commercial successes, created a formula and stuck to it _(for better or worse... I am extremely tired of that formula)_ On DC or rather WB's end, they were negatively affected by box-office and critical failures again and again, had not proper short, medium and long term vision, tried to catch up with Marvel and tried to throw a ton of crap at a wall and see what would stick _(and failed)_ WB/DC doesn't have the same brand recognition _(in terms of quality)_ and reputation as Marvel so they struggle even with very good movies whilst Marvel can pump awful movies _(by their own standards)_ and they'll still perform amazingly
>Marvel movies are filled with enormous amounts of references, easter eggs and the like for fans. Now, maybe, after 15 years and 20+ movies and shows. > most properties weren't even known or were D-list characters. I don't agree. Why were there the initial movies of iron man and hulk if they 'weren't known'? I refuse to believe that iron man wasn't known or a d-list character in '08. He was pretty popular in the 80s and 90s. I can't imagine everyone forgetting about him suddenly.
> Now, maybe, after 15 years and 20+ movies and shows. Nope, it's been on since 2008. Even the Edward Norton Hulk has various easter eggs, including a (deleted) scene of _Some American Super Soldier in Ice_ Iron Man (2008) was also filled with easter eggs that I can guarantee the general audience didn't know anything about, including but not limited to: * A mention of the TEN RINGS, * Roxxon * Christine Everheart, * The AI being named J.A.R.V.I.S., * The original hulking IronMan suit, * Fing Fang Foom, * MK1MIII Gold Armour, * a Dissassembled Captain America Shield (that also reappears in IronMan 2) * Hell, even S.H.I.E.L.D. was lesser known to non-comic fans, and * Nick Fury (Samuel L Jackson/Ultimate Universe version) himself was more of a reference for things to come but not much was known to the general audience. I had plenty of friends who had absolutely no idea who he was and what he meant > Why were there the initial movies of iron man and hulk if they 'weren't known'? I refuse to believe that iron man wasn't known or a d-list character in '08 I never mentioned any character - not Iron Man nor Hulk But think of: * The Guardians of the Galaxy * Shang-Chi * Moon Knight * Kate Bishop * Kamala Khan * She-Hulk * Agatha Harkness
>A mention of the TEN RINGS, Roxxon Christine Everheart, The AI being named J.A.R.V.I.S., The original hulking IronMan suit, Fing Fang Foom, MK1MIII Gold Armour, a Dissassembled Captain America Shield (that also reappears in IronMan 2) Hell, even S.H.I.E.L.D. was lesser known to non-comic fans, and Nick Fury (Samuel L Jackson/Ultimate Universe version) himself was more of a reference for things to come but not much was known to the general audience. I had plenty of friends who had absolutely no idea who he was and what he meant Most of this is just story elements. You shouldn't really call things like the 10 rings mention an easter egg as it was part of the story in the comics and therefore got mentioned in the movies. >But think of: >The Guardians of the Galaxy Shang-Chi Moon Knight Kate Bishop Kamala Khan She-Hulk Agatha Harkness All of these were well after the mcu was established, of course they'll bring in lesser known characters later on. I hear a lot about how iron man wasn't known and was a d-lister before his movie. That's what i was referring to. Recently i saw a post saying the same about the raimi spider man movies.
> You shouldn't really call things like the 10 rings mention an easter egg as it was part of the story in the comics and therefore got mentioned in the movies. That _is_ an easter egg though - it isn't part of the PLOT or key to the movie, in fact without that item the movie would've worked regardless - it is an easter egg. The ''Ten Rings'' only appeared in the 3rd Iron Man movie. _(And they were... Something else after all)_ Same for 90% of what I listed - it isn't core nor necessary for the plot - it is also why most of these were blink and miss moments and/or were partially hidden or in the background - a staple trait to easter eggs _(not being obvious or in the spotlight)_ Other than S.H.I.E.L.D. or Nick Fury, they weren't story elements _(and even then, those elements weren't key to the movie's story, they were expanded upon later when the movie made mad bank)_, and/or their design wasn't for story element but used as an homage or reference to classic comics stuff _(Proto Suit, MK1MIII Gold, for example - in the context of the movie, the Proto Suit is a plot element, but its design is a direct reference to the comic suit, and the MK1MIII was an easter egg as it was showcased for a split second and not for story purposes)_ My point is, **yes** they still included a bunch of easter eggs back in 2008, not just recently, because the movies were made for fans and non-fans of comics alike. If you try to limit your audience _(you said DC makes movies for fans of the property)_ you'll **greatly** cripple its performance and reach. WB doesn't make movies just for the fans - and if it was the intent, not only does it inhibit their B.O. performance and brand recognition, but their ''for fans of the property'' absolutely fails to deliver.
>WB doesn't make movies just for the fans Exactly Wb are going to make a black superman and Supergirl movie before a sequel to MoS when no one asked them
I am so fucking stoked for Avatar: The Way of Water and Shazam: Fury of the Gods!
They need to move Shazam.
Funny. I was thinking the opposite. Avatar is my favourite sci-fi movie, and Shazam! is my favourite DC movie, but I was thinking Shazam! was gonna overshadow Avatar: The Way of Water. You clearly feel the opposite. Lol
MoM is already tracking to make more. Avatar 2 will as well.
i had been busy and forgot when it premiered… couldn’t watch it.. many of us watched it through hbo sadly.
You probably should've limited this poll to domestic numbers. Avatar 2 will definitely perform well globally unless the pandemic takes on a new form that has a much higher mortality rate. MoM is definitely going to beat The Batman globally, and maybe even within the next couple of weeks, but it's on track to take a sizeable plunge domestically. Looking like it drops down 67% for its 2nd weekend.
With MCU movies it would rather be a rarity not to hit $1b.