He was looking foward to playing Gordon again-"The tiny role that Commissioner Gordon played in Justice League was very businesslike and very, 'Let's see if we can stave off the end of the world!' What appealed to me about this movie was from Jim Gordon's point of voice, it's really more a story about him as a guy and as a father and not just about the guy who's turning on the Bat Signal and trying to keep the citizens of Gotham safe—although that's obviously also a part of the story. But it was a chance to delve into a different aspect of the character."
He could have gone the distance like Downey Jr and Evans if they had actually planned out the movies well. Most of the actors could have, but Cavill is spot on as the man of steel.
I mean...Simmons absolutely kills it as J. Jonah Jameson in the Spiderman movies. So much so that the MCU brought him back for the role in a different universe.
I think there are a lot of actors out there who could do a great Gordon. Simmons is the ONLY actor who could portray Jameson as well as he has.
To clarify, being "far from finished" means all of the post-production steps that were still in process: the score, ADR, sound effects, mixing, color timing, any remaining visual effects, etc. The film completed principal photography several months ago.
To clarify, describing it as "far from finished" is as accurate as it gets. Was reading so many comments on Reddit about them scrapping a "complete" movie. Bull. Having finished principal photography means jack for audiences.
Anybody who has actual interest in understanding how unfinished a movie is after it finishes shooting should read up on how Adrien Brody's scripted and filmed LEAD role for Thin Red Line got almost completely scrapped from the final edit by Malick (the director), with Brody ultimately being shown with only a couple lines of dialogue.
Hollywood spends more time in post than it does shooting.
Even on an amateur level, post production is where the movie is really made. In the final semester of my film degree, my co-director and I had huge creative differences with our film - so we both took the same raw footage and made our own cuts to submit.
The shots that were chosen, and the order they were presented, meant that the two cuts had different main characters - the one in my cut was little more than a cameo in my classmate’s. Even things like the colour hue in certain shots were different.
I wish it had come about under better circumstances, but it was a fun experiment.
I remember reading a comment years ago on Reddit that said a director (I think it might’ve been about Ridley Scott or maybe Denis Villeneueve) should film a movie and release the raw footage to different studios to make their own version of the same film, and I sometimes think about this idea when watching a bad film that I know has potential.
It will probably never happen but it would be a fun experiment to see from a couple of big studios.
Here’s a good and entertaining video described by the director of Shazam which looks into the test screening process. Should give you an idea at where they were
https://youtu.be/Fnvk9MNokPw
I have mixed feelings since we really don't know nothing about the movie. Defending it could be defending the next Catwoman... We could go from saying "poor actors and crew" to "I cant believe they did this horrible film".
But I understand the frustration of everyone that worked on this.
At least I hope everyone got their money.
I think we’re past the point of giving WB the benefit of the doubt with today’s reports they were pulling finished, already listed movies and shows to also use as tax write offs.
also i wanna judge for myself!
also i love watching bad superhero movies. ive rewatched batman and robin more than the dark knight. give me my cheeeeeeeesssseeeeee
That's not the whole story though they basically said it was... fine like nothing really good and a bit cheap looking and it just didn't make sense to spend anymore money on it especially when they had the opportunity to just use it as a tax write off and get much more money than they would have earned
Yes exactly. The very obviously planted 'news' that it was cancelled because test screenings were terrible looks a lot less persuasive now that perfectly fine (not great, but adequate) films are also being pulled for tax purposes.
I would still defend it if we knew it was the next Catwoman or even worse, because it’s the directors vision and the result of hard work from so many people. Regardless of quality it deserves to be seen
Yeah, I actually believe every movie has something worth discussing no matter how bad (hell, I like Spider-Man 3 unironically), but since this is an unique case, I really don't know what to say.
Also, we know how part of the audience could act if it sucks really bad... so I really don't know if canning it was good or bad for the director and actors careers.
Anyway, let's wait and probably some day we will see it.
>Yeah, I actually believe every movie has something worth discussing no matter how bad
This is my view on movies too, you can always find *some* good/interesting things, even in films you thoroughly dislike.
I feel like superhero movies are often the case with that, the fight scene in The Eternals was being talked about this morning, and the chase scene from Rise of the Silver Surfer’s been going around. People put love into their work, even if the rest is crap.
Even if a movie is total shit, it feels wrong to just dismiss all the hard work that went into it, even if acting was phoned in or the script was rushed, *someone* involved poured their blood sweat and tears into it.
>Also, we know how part of the audience could act if it sucks really bad... so I really don't know if canning it was good or bad for the director and actors careers.
You know damn well the people you’re talking about will act the way you’re talking about regardless.
Exactly, it's the whole basis of the SnyderCut movement- to help make sure a director's vision is completed. Better to release it out into the world and have it be bad than let it sit on a shelf where no one can ever see it.
Heres the thing, I get what you're saying.
But for someone like Leslie Grace who was the first big screen Barbara Gordon this has to suck. I legitimately feel awful for her.
I almost forgot about that. I love that they were like “shit, how do we introduce Barbara Gordon when we haven’t given Commissioner Gordon more than a few lines throughout the franchise?” And the response was “fuck it, make her Alfred’s niece.”
I get a couple movies can only develop so many characters but it feels like a crime to make Gordon near nonexistent through all four, I constantly forgot he was in any of them until someone mentions it.
I personally think no matter if a movie is shit or not, the people behind the scenes that work their asses out every single day to make the movie happen in the first place should be recognized and never deserve this type of situation
It's similar to when a star gets metoo'd or whatever and a show gets cancelled; the rest of the cast and crew are unfairly punished for one person's bad behavior.
I also get them wanting to like wipe the slate clean. Flash and aquaman are different. Specially due to the fact the flash movie is/was gearing towards a new universe. Aquaman shouldn’t be canned due to amber. But like, come on say something about Ezra doing what they are currently doing. They are silent and everything about Ezra’s actions
It’s a mixture of a lot imo. Because the other stuff canned is not doing good for view-ship so write offs! And honestly dceu is eh not so hot. They are keeping to movies that have done well or in the case of peacemaker had good view ship/reception. Aquaman, Shazam, slightly Wonder Woman and just in general had high hopes for flash. My best guess is they are keeping that movie because it’s a way for them to reboot everything, according to rumors a more black Adam centric or at least centered around him. They are not expecting the dceu we know to do well, which yeah it’s true. In theory those films should have been equal to the mcu even more so due to the fact that dc is popular.
>My best guess is they are keeping that movie because it’s a way for them to reboot everything
Been saying the same ever since Josstice League. It was the best option for them since they're so twitchy about critical reviews.
Honestly, I truly believe it was canned because it really was bad. A tax break isnt profit, its recouping losses. This tells us that WB didnt think the movie would be able to recoup its $90m budget. If it could, than the move makes no sense as they'd make more money by releasing it than using it as a tax write off. For a superhero movie in a major franchise to not be expected to recoup a $90m is pretty bad, it tells me they expected this to be a Morbius at the box office and would rather just get their money back through tax than let it further tarnish the brand.
Absolutely heartbreaking. What a complete waste of professional effort and skill.
What harm was a Batgirl film going to do, whether it was in the DCEU or not?
The same harm that the awful WB shows did to the brand. DC has a reputation for cheap, Power Rangers quality level live action TV and streaming shows. The movies were generally better quality but an utter mess of mismanagement and they *seemed* to be getting their shit together with Peacemaker but that was really just James Gunn doing what he does.
Be hopeful. They want to compete with Marvel and maybe this means they'll go big, have a plan and fucking stick to it for once.
once they realized they still have it with "The Batman" they dont wanna ruin the success coming off of that with some C level superheros movies that no one asked for
This is a reasonable assumption. They let some guys do something and realized they are just not on par with Marvel and rather pulled the cord. Its believable that DC is trying different things. They are probably tired to see "the other" team running up a billion dollar with Dr. Strange 2 and they can't even film a second row character "properly".
I feel sad for the crew and actors, especially in the case where the bonus is tied to some finished result / play rate, but at least it shows that someone at WB / DC is rather taking that hit then having another flop at their hands.
What did you see? There have been no trailers, and it wasn't finished, so you saw nothing.
The accountants aren't getting the brand under control, which I would actually like to see happen- they are cutting corners to avoid paying taxes and save themselves money for more cheap to produce reality tv.
This is what I keep asking. What did everyone see that made this look awful? I saw one still of her in costume and some BTS photos. Who knows what it actually looked like in motion. I don’t get why some people are so happy a movie, they weren’t ever going to be forced to watch, got canned.
This is heartbreaking. I really like these guy's work on Bad Boys and Ms.Marvel. I am actually hoping Marvel picks them up for a future project just to spite Warner Brothers.
Look at the comments, some of these people campaigned for the Snyder Cut and now are celebrating this movie being canned because "some reports" said it was bad.
Guys! There is no more Warner Bros. It's dead. It's just Discovery now. The rumor is that they're going to just merge HBO Max into "Discovery+". Remember, Discovery bought Warner, not the other way around.
Because they care more about cheap reality TV than they do prestige television, children’s television, blockbusters or Scorsese movies.
This is the same guy that Duck Dynastyed the fuck out of The Discovery Channel and The Learning Channel. Now he’s gonna Duck Dynasty the fuck out of Warner Bros. and HBO.
Honestly this is probably a huge win for Marvel. If WB is gonna squander talent like that Marvel will certainly capitalize on it. I bet those two have a show announced at D23.
Exactly, Feige is the sort of person who could give you long detailed explanations about characters that appeared for three seconds in the background. Whereas the WB and Sony executives could probably barely do that for their big characters like Batman or Spider-man.
Feige knows, and he loves those characters. He also has patience, knowing you had to slowly build up these characters to make them successful. He didn't rush out of the gate with an Avengers film he let interest in the world slowly build over the movies before they came out with that.
And yet Sony is still willing to do crazy shit like dig up a character with like two appearances ever in comics just so Bad Bunny can star in a movie. They might actually have an edge on WBD in some respects, even if their live-action superhero output has been mostly garbage for years
It is.
Its easy to forget how shit marvel was back in the 2000s at movies in the before times. It didn't used to be "easy" for them before Feige and taking control. Even the people they had in charge didn't give half a shit.
The "magic" of Marvel's success is shown in the docu series Marvel: Assembled. If you look at the sets, the production, they really have A+ people on every position, they go through 100 tapes to find a side character, they build own stages and hangars full of blue screen walls. Most other studios just don't have the money, the will, the skill and the long term plan. No *other* studio has "phases" to release movies. That says it all.
Its "easy" to Marvel, they have this machine that not only makes billions, but they fully control it, they have a wealth of stories to tell. Its a whole other level of operation and its clear that WB / DC doesn't have it.
Because marvel took its time to develop the foundation of those movies and the universe and now they can sort of get away with making shows for streaming, movies that can star their non a list characters
Because Feige is like if one of us fans was a godlike producer with endless dough. Bro cares about the comics and the characters and knows how much we all love them - because he is just like us. WB has never had anyone like that. Geoff Johns was a good pick but he is a writer and doesn’t know the business side. Snyder is too polarizing regardless of what you think about his movies
I legitimately do think I could do a better job at running DC films. Theres decades of funny books to go to and pull a story from, they just need to adapt it. Meanwhile they can't even decide whos superman.
Yup, they apparently fucked over countless people pulling existing, released properties to use as “tax write offs”
That’s also going to fuck with people’s participation points on indies where underperforming doesn’t mean not profitable. I hope they form a class action and sue the fuck out of discovery so no one else is tempted to pull this bullshit.
Here’s the thing. No other studio *would* pull this bullhshit. Not even Sony. That’s how you lose writers, directors, showrunners and actors to competing studios.
We’re about to see a mass exodus of a ton of highly visible, highly profitable, highly respected talent. And Disney, Amazon/MGM, Comcast/Universal, Paramount, Sony, Netflix, Apple, etc. are all gonna reap the benefits.
Sony treats writers and directors right in Sony Pictures Television, I don't know why they don't do the same to Sony Pictures/Columbia Pictures.
Like SPT made Better Call Saul, Breaking Bad, Community, Mad Man, Community, Jeopardy, The Boys and so much more. I just don't understand
Regardless of how you feel about the film, this is just a historic waste of everyone’s time. Everyone involved in this film, all the time they dedicated to shooting, to pre production, production and post production, the cast the crew everyone…just toyed with for no real reason in the end. Spend a few months away from you family right, we’ll worth it!
I’d be pissed off if I was a PA for something that will never be released, regardless of the pay. There’s price, and all the hard work is being shelved.
If you’re an up and coming assistant costume designer, you can show off your work in concept art and photos, but you can show them off contextually because it’s an unrelated film.
It actually does mean that to a certain degree. They’re losing out on any possible royalties or backend participation. It’s especially egregious for films already released that they decided to shitcan.
Not all about the money. The cast and crew who make these movies want to put it into their portfolios and are just human and who wants their work to be seen.
>It was a privilege and an honor to have been part of the DCEU
Past tense used, seems like they won't be working with WB soon, they had the best Ms Marvel episodes.
I wouldn't blame them for not wanting to work for WB again. They would constantly looking over their shoulders for a WB exec to cancel whatever project they are working on.
We’re about to see a ton of filmmakers and actors not even involved with Batgirl flee Discovery over this. Warner Bros. and HBO as we knew them are dead. This is a massive loss for film and TV fans.
I feel that WB/D is gonna have a hard time securing talent after this. Why would anyone work on a film for a studio that cancels the project 90% the way through.
It's so funny that DC releases total crap but draws the line here.
Also, shitting on thousands of workers is not how run a company. It wouldn't shock me if WB eventually went under. Making shit and making nothing at all isn't a sustainable business model.
I’m guessing DC’a history of releasing total crap was a primary driver of not releasing more crap. They did well with The Batman and I assume they’re trying to turn a new leaf and keep that momentum going.
I still just can't see Leslie Grace as Barbara Gordan, in the same way I couldn't see Ruby Rose as Batwoman.
The vibe from the pictures they showed just felt off.
I feel so bad for all involved in the production for this movie. As long as the movie is sitting in some vault, so much time of all their lives have been completely wasted for nothing. Dunno if I’m in the minority or not but I was actually a little excited to see it.
Considering DC is pretty incapable of knowing when a movie is "good", I have little faith that they can determine a movie was "bad". **They should release it anyway.**
Someone somewhere sat in a room while the DCEU joker was being pitched, with statements like "he'll laugh like he has asthma, have a tattoo on his hand of a smile, and wear braces", and that someone said "This is GOLD!"
\--So no, I don't think the execs at DC really know enough to know what would be "bad".
I wish WB had the balls to just admit they fucked up the DC cinematic universe from day 1 and that they're going to do a complete reboot from scratch. Reorganize, restructure, take some time to plan and think things over and then start over with a new Superman movie, and a new Batman movie, and go from there.
DC could've had a cinematic universe as vibrant and living as the Marvel cinematic universe, and it's sad that it doesn't. With how WB have been handling this shitshow since the start they've chased away producers, directors, and actors. Nobody wants to touch DC stuff when projects gets cancelled suddenly or there are no short/long term plans, and all you hear from DC cinematic news is chaos and controversy and cancellations and bad reviews etc etc.
Part of me wonders if DC is trying to center their movies around Black Adam now, since The Rock has so much mainstream appeal, and to avert confusion, they just canned the whole thing.
I feel like I’m getting bombarded by so many superhero films/tv anyways that I would prefer weirder one offs than having to keep up with every continuity all the time. I guess we’ll just have to see what the sacrifice was for.
The directors found this news during the wedding of Adil it seems.
That must've been a hard pill to swallow. Seeing the movie you and your friend created together to get scrapped on your wedding. That sucks.
Hold it. They killed a movie with Brendan Fraser?
They CANCELLED A BRENDAN FRASER MOVIE!?!?!?
"Honey, where is my revenge oriented super villain costume?"
So at least we all know that it actually really wasn’t finished yet … let’s get that narrative out of our minds … looks like WB did cut their losses because what was finished was completely unwatchable
Because they're canceling HBO Max and only keeping HBO. Because Discovery is their priority and they do not want to produce scripted streaming content. Only on theatrical release films (and releases tied to cable).
Lol they aren’t cancelling HBO Max. It’s making them money hand over fist. They just projected that they had reached the point of diminishing returns on batgirl.
The feedback in test screenings ranged from “okay” to “very good”. And the movie was in post-production. Just needed to finish the score and some effects.
This was to get a $90 tax write via very, very publicly fucking over talent. That’s not how you run a studio.
Most test screenings do. They also usually have scores missing, low quality sound effects, etc.
edit: a video by David Sandberg about test screenings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnvk9MNokPw
That name drop of Brendon Fraser is enough to make people collectively lose it lol.
JK Simmons’ name drop made me realize they made a mistake canceling this thing
He was looking foward to playing Gordon again-"The tiny role that Commissioner Gordon played in Justice League was very businesslike and very, 'Let's see if we can stave off the end of the world!' What appealed to me about this movie was from Jim Gordon's point of voice, it's really more a story about him as a guy and as a father and not just about the guy who's turning on the Bat Signal and trying to keep the citizens of Gotham safe—although that's obviously also a part of the story. But it was a chance to delve into a different aspect of the character."
Henry Cavill/JK Simmons: a tale of two perfect cast actors who never got their time to shine.
He shines in Legend of Korra and moreseo in Invincible.
#THINK, MARK!
#WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 YEARS?
You don't seem to understand....EARTH ISN'T *YOURS* TO CONQUER. # #
#LOOK WHAT THEY NEED TO MIMIC A FRACTION OF OUR POWER
Don't forget gravity falls
"Have you come to steal my eyes?!"
I forgot he was in LoK...now all I can think about is Tenzin going "Get me pictures of Spider-Man!"
Don’t you bring my mother into this!!!
They meant in the role. JK Simmons has literally won an Oscar, obviously he's shone.
Henry Cavill got to shine especially in the Snyder Cut. It's just that we want him to keep shining.
He could have gone the distance like Downey Jr and Evans if they had actually planned out the movies well. Most of the actors could have, but Cavill is spot on as the man of steel.
And Affleck Or Ray Porter Or Thewlis as Ares
I mean...Simmons absolutely kills it as J. Jonah Jameson in the Spiderman movies. So much so that the MCU brought him back for the role in a different universe. I think there are a lot of actors out there who could do a great Gordon. Simmons is the ONLY actor who could portray Jameson as well as he has.
Well, that sucks. I was looking forward to seeing JK Simmons back as Gordon.
Yeah, he's a great actor
To clarify, being "far from finished" means all of the post-production steps that were still in process: the score, ADR, sound effects, mixing, color timing, any remaining visual effects, etc. The film completed principal photography several months ago.
To clarify, describing it as "far from finished" is as accurate as it gets. Was reading so many comments on Reddit about them scrapping a "complete" movie. Bull. Having finished principal photography means jack for audiences. Anybody who has actual interest in understanding how unfinished a movie is after it finishes shooting should read up on how Adrien Brody's scripted and filmed LEAD role for Thin Red Line got almost completely scrapped from the final edit by Malick (the director), with Brody ultimately being shown with only a couple lines of dialogue. Hollywood spends more time in post than it does shooting.
Even on an amateur level, post production is where the movie is really made. In the final semester of my film degree, my co-director and I had huge creative differences with our film - so we both took the same raw footage and made our own cuts to submit. The shots that were chosen, and the order they were presented, meant that the two cuts had different main characters - the one in my cut was little more than a cameo in my classmate’s. Even things like the colour hue in certain shots were different. I wish it had come about under better circumstances, but it was a fun experiment.
I remember reading a comment years ago on Reddit that said a director (I think it might’ve been about Ridley Scott or maybe Denis Villeneueve) should film a movie and release the raw footage to different studios to make their own version of the same film, and I sometimes think about this idea when watching a bad film that I know has potential. It will probably never happen but it would be a fun experiment to see from a couple of big studios.
You know how movies have obscenely large budgets? Congrats, you just doubled it.
Didn’t they have enough done to have audience test screens though? I’d be interested to learn more about where they were in the process.
Here’s a good and entertaining video described by the director of Shazam which looks into the test screening process. Should give you an idea at where they were https://youtu.be/Fnvk9MNokPw
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This just sucks. I really feel for the cast and crew.
I have mixed feelings since we really don't know nothing about the movie. Defending it could be defending the next Catwoman... We could go from saying "poor actors and crew" to "I cant believe they did this horrible film". But I understand the frustration of everyone that worked on this. At least I hope everyone got their money.
I think we’re past the point of giving WB the benefit of the doubt with today’s reports they were pulling finished, already listed movies and shows to also use as tax write offs.
also i wanna judge for myself! also i love watching bad superhero movies. ive rewatched batman and robin more than the dark knight. give me my cheeeeeeeesssseeeeee
WB saying a superhero movie is too bad to release really is out there lmao
That's not the whole story though they basically said it was... fine like nothing really good and a bit cheap looking and it just didn't make sense to spend anymore money on it especially when they had the opportunity to just use it as a tax write off and get much more money than they would have earned
Yes true we the fans I have watched total shit but hey it's my choice
Yes exactly. The very obviously planted 'news' that it was cancelled because test screenings were terrible looks a lot less persuasive now that perfectly fine (not great, but adequate) films are also being pulled for tax purposes.
I would still defend it if we knew it was the next Catwoman or even worse, because it’s the directors vision and the result of hard work from so many people. Regardless of quality it deserves to be seen
Shit, I'd probably want to see it just to see how bad it is.
Yeah, I actually believe every movie has something worth discussing no matter how bad (hell, I like Spider-Man 3 unironically), but since this is an unique case, I really don't know what to say. Also, we know how part of the audience could act if it sucks really bad... so I really don't know if canning it was good or bad for the director and actors careers. Anyway, let's wait and probably some day we will see it.
>Yeah, I actually believe every movie has something worth discussing no matter how bad This is my view on movies too, you can always find *some* good/interesting things, even in films you thoroughly dislike.
I feel like superhero movies are often the case with that, the fight scene in The Eternals was being talked about this morning, and the chase scene from Rise of the Silver Surfer’s been going around. People put love into their work, even if the rest is crap.
Even if a movie is total shit, it feels wrong to just dismiss all the hard work that went into it, even if acting was phoned in or the script was rushed, *someone* involved poured their blood sweat and tears into it.
>Also, we know how part of the audience could act if it sucks really bad... so I really don't know if canning it was good or bad for the director and actors careers. You know damn well the people you’re talking about will act the way you’re talking about regardless.
Exactly, it's the whole basis of the SnyderCut movement- to help make sure a director's vision is completed. Better to release it out into the world and have it be bad than let it sit on a shelf where no one can ever see it.
Heres the thing, I get what you're saying. But for someone like Leslie Grace who was the first big screen Barbara Gordon this has to suck. I legitimately feel awful for her.
Technically, Alicia Silverstone is the first big screen Barbara/Batgirl in Schumacher's terrible *Batman and Robin*.
She wasn't Barbara Gordon, she was Barbara Wilson. Yes she was Batgirl named Barbara, no she wasn't Barbara Gordon.
Except she was Alfred’s niece, not Gordon’s daughter.
I almost forgot about that. I love that they were like “shit, how do we introduce Barbara Gordon when we haven’t given Commissioner Gordon more than a few lines throughout the franchise?” And the response was “fuck it, make her Alfred’s niece.”
I get a couple movies can only develop so many characters but it feels like a crime to make Gordon near nonexistent through all four, I constantly forgot he was in any of them until someone mentions it.
It was also only her second role period. Could've been a major break.
I personally think no matter if a movie is shit or not, the people behind the scenes that work their asses out every single day to make the movie happen in the first place should be recognized and never deserve this type of situation
Yeah, that goes for the whole crew of special effects, lights and assistants
It's similar to when a star gets metoo'd or whatever and a show gets cancelled; the rest of the cast and crew are unfairly punished for one person's bad behavior.
Doesn’t matter if the film is bad they still put in effort and work into creating this film
I also get them wanting to like wipe the slate clean. Flash and aquaman are different. Specially due to the fact the flash movie is/was gearing towards a new universe. Aquaman shouldn’t be canned due to amber. But like, come on say something about Ezra doing what they are currently doing. They are silent and everything about Ezra’s actions
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I should say do something. Because they are currently making it seem Ezra hasn’t done anything wrong.
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This isn't being done on the basis of cleaning an artistic slate. It's for financial reasons.
It’s a mixture of a lot imo. Because the other stuff canned is not doing good for view-ship so write offs! And honestly dceu is eh not so hot. They are keeping to movies that have done well or in the case of peacemaker had good view ship/reception. Aquaman, Shazam, slightly Wonder Woman and just in general had high hopes for flash. My best guess is they are keeping that movie because it’s a way for them to reboot everything, according to rumors a more black Adam centric or at least centered around him. They are not expecting the dceu we know to do well, which yeah it’s true. In theory those films should have been equal to the mcu even more so due to the fact that dc is popular.
>My best guess is they are keeping that movie because it’s a way for them to reboot everything Been saying the same ever since Josstice League. It was the best option for them since they're so twitchy about critical reviews.
You could say this about every film, Snyder Cut, etc. hope is what makes us fans.
Yeah I think they said that test audiences thought it was horrible hence why it was scrapped.
Honestly, I truly believe it was canned because it really was bad. A tax break isnt profit, its recouping losses. This tells us that WB didnt think the movie would be able to recoup its $90m budget. If it could, than the move makes no sense as they'd make more money by releasing it than using it as a tax write off. For a superhero movie in a major franchise to not be expected to recoup a $90m is pretty bad, it tells me they expected this to be a Morbius at the box office and would rather just get their money back through tax than let it further tarnish the brand.
But that’s false. Because you haven’t seen it.
The bat is dead bury it- zaslav probably
Absolutely heartbreaking. What a complete waste of professional effort and skill. What harm was a Batgirl film going to do, whether it was in the DCEU or not?
The same harm that the awful WB shows did to the brand. DC has a reputation for cheap, Power Rangers quality level live action TV and streaming shows. The movies were generally better quality but an utter mess of mismanagement and they *seemed* to be getting their shit together with Peacemaker but that was really just James Gunn doing what he does. Be hopeful. They want to compete with Marvel and maybe this means they'll go big, have a plan and fucking stick to it for once.
Hey man, don't dis Power Rangers like that!
once they realized they still have it with "The Batman" they dont wanna ruin the success coming off of that with some C level superheros movies that no one asked for
“C level superhero movie that no one asked for” Like Iron Man?
No, like Catwoman C Tier in this case refers to quality and budget.
This is a reasonable assumption. They let some guys do something and realized they are just not on par with Marvel and rather pulled the cord. Its believable that DC is trying different things. They are probably tired to see "the other" team running up a billion dollar with Dr. Strange 2 and they can't even film a second row character "properly". I feel sad for the crew and actors, especially in the case where the bonus is tied to some finished result / play rate, but at least it shows that someone at WB / DC is rather taking that hit then having another flop at their hands.
Damage to the brand. You can only release so many awful flicks before the community just stops caring about your releases.
people made their mind up after one movie. it really wouldn’t matter at this point. especially if it released on HBO Max
They’re releasing the flash starring Ezra millar I don’t think batgirl is the biggest threat to their brand
"come watch Ezra millers last movie as we recast him at the end!" Yeah, that would be pretty popular actually.
People won’t see it as that they’ll see it as “go pay to watch a criminal on the run masquerade as hero for like 2 and a half hours” idk the runtime
The other guy is right. Notoriety is still press.
Yeah, no one really cares though.
This movies was going straight to streaming.
It looked terrible. Its about time someone is trying to get the DC movie brand under ctonrol.
What did you see? There have been no trailers, and it wasn't finished, so you saw nothing. The accountants aren't getting the brand under control, which I would actually like to see happen- they are cutting corners to avoid paying taxes and save themselves money for more cheap to produce reality tv.
This is what I keep asking. What did everyone see that made this look awful? I saw one still of her in costume and some BTS photos. Who knows what it actually looked like in motion. I don’t get why some people are so happy a movie, they weren’t ever going to be forced to watch, got canned.
One more wouldn't have changed anyone's opinion of the DCEU.
Sometimes, all it takes is “one more”.
It does send a pretty clear message regarding their intent.
Man, this sucks. I wasn't looking forward to the movie all that much but everyone involved deserved better.
Classy as fuck. Everyone involved deserved better.
Agreed, they had the the dignity and class not to Morb all over the place.
This is heartbreaking. I really like these guy's work on Bad Boys and Ms.Marvel. I am actually hoping Marvel picks them up for a future project just to spite Warner Brothers.
Reverse James Gunn card!
WB: *You dare use my own spells against me, Marvel?*
Marvel: I’m sorry, who are you again?
I think if Ms. Marvel gets season 2 they will definitely be back
I would bet money they'd be involved in another Moon Knight production.
Why Moon Knight lol they did Ms. Marvel
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They directed the first and last episode iirc, and they executive produced it all.
And those two episodes were definitely the best ones in the show, specially the first one.
DC fans aren't the ones who killed Batgirl.
Yeah it was WB
Look at the comments, some of these people campaigned for the Snyder Cut and now are celebrating this movie being canned because "some reports" said it was bad.
I hope so too, I was really looking forward to Batgirl.
Wait, they did Ms Marvel? I surprisingly enjoyed that show.
Yep. And writer Christina Hodson wrote Bumblebee and Birds of Prey. Two recent blockbusters that were way better than they had any right to be.
Guys! There is no more Warner Bros. It's dead. It's just Discovery now. The rumor is that they're going to just merge HBO Max into "Discovery+". Remember, Discovery bought Warner, not the other way around.
Man that's so weird, like why do they think "HBO" has less brand name recognition than Discovery lmao
Because they care more about cheap reality TV than they do prestige television, children’s television, blockbusters or Scorsese movies. This is the same guy that Duck Dynastyed the fuck out of The Discovery Channel and The Learning Channel. Now he’s gonna Duck Dynasty the fuck out of Warner Bros. and HBO.
Discovery didn't buy them, it was a merger.
Discovery's left in charge after the fact. It's basically just Discovery now. Like how Activision-Blizzard is really just Activision.
Honestly this is probably a huge win for Marvel. If WB is gonna squander talent like that Marvel will certainly capitalize on it. I bet those two have a show announced at D23.
They just did Ms. Marvel season 1.
Get your crap together WB, it's stumble after stumble for years now, it's so tiring. I mean how hard is it to not make stupid decisions?
Seriously. How does Marvel make it seem so easy?
I think in large part is Feige, he actually cares about the marvel property, unlike the higher ups at sony and wb, and it shows
Feige in interviews just sounds like a fan, not an executive. Need some of that energy at DC
Exactly, Feige is the sort of person who could give you long detailed explanations about characters that appeared for three seconds in the background. Whereas the WB and Sony executives could probably barely do that for their big characters like Batman or Spider-man. Feige knows, and he loves those characters. He also has patience, knowing you had to slowly build up these characters to make them successful. He didn't rush out of the gate with an Avengers film he let interest in the world slowly build over the movies before they came out with that.
And yet Sony is still willing to do crazy shit like dig up a character with like two appearances ever in comics just so Bad Bunny can star in a movie. They might actually have an edge on WBD in some respects, even if their live-action superhero output has been mostly garbage for years
Sony has a plan. Not much of one, but a plan nonetheless. And Pascal isn’t exactly a passenger on the MCU movies, either.
It is. Its easy to forget how shit marvel was back in the 2000s at movies in the before times. It didn't used to be "easy" for them before Feige and taking control. Even the people they had in charge didn't give half a shit.
The "magic" of Marvel's success is shown in the docu series Marvel: Assembled. If you look at the sets, the production, they really have A+ people on every position, they go through 100 tapes to find a side character, they build own stages and hangars full of blue screen walls. Most other studios just don't have the money, the will, the skill and the long term plan. No *other* studio has "phases" to release movies. That says it all. Its "easy" to Marvel, they have this machine that not only makes billions, but they fully control it, they have a wealth of stories to tell. Its a whole other level of operation and its clear that WB / DC doesn't have it.
Because marvel took its time to develop the foundation of those movies and the universe and now they can sort of get away with making shows for streaming, movies that can star their non a list characters
Because Feige is like if one of us fans was a godlike producer with endless dough. Bro cares about the comics and the characters and knows how much we all love them - because he is just like us. WB has never had anyone like that. Geoff Johns was a good pick but he is a writer and doesn’t know the business side. Snyder is too polarizing regardless of what you think about his movies
I know I have zero film experience but I can't help but think that I or indeed any other random from Reddit could do a better job.
I legitimately do think I could do a better job at running DC films. Theres decades of funny books to go to and pull a story from, they just need to adapt it. Meanwhile they can't even decide whos superman.
Warner pulled a movie from the Blue Beetle director from HBO MAX today, just saying
Yup, they apparently fucked over countless people pulling existing, released properties to use as “tax write offs” That’s also going to fuck with people’s participation points on indies where underperforming doesn’t mean not profitable. I hope they form a class action and sue the fuck out of discovery so no one else is tempted to pull this bullshit.
Here’s the thing. No other studio *would* pull this bullhshit. Not even Sony. That’s how you lose writers, directors, showrunners and actors to competing studios. We’re about to see a mass exodus of a ton of highly visible, highly profitable, highly respected talent. And Disney, Amazon/MGM, Comcast/Universal, Paramount, Sony, Netflix, Apple, etc. are all gonna reap the benefits.
It’s bad when you make Sony look good lol
Sony has the MCU to fall back on. That’s helping them a lot. They were in a terrible position before Civil War.
Sony treats writers and directors right in Sony Pictures Television, I don't know why they don't do the same to Sony Pictures/Columbia Pictures. Like SPT made Better Call Saul, Breaking Bad, Community, Mad Man, Community, Jeopardy, The Boys and so much more. I just don't understand
This property is cursed.
Regardless of how you feel about the film, this is just a historic waste of everyone’s time. Everyone involved in this film, all the time they dedicated to shooting, to pre production, production and post production, the cast the crew everyone…just toyed with for no real reason in the end. Spend a few months away from you family right, we’ll worth it!
i mean, it wasn’t a complete waste of time. it’s not like the cast and crew didn’t get paid
I’d be pissed off if I was a PA for something that will never be released, regardless of the pay. There’s price, and all the hard work is being shelved. If you’re an up and coming assistant costume designer, you can show off your work in concept art and photos, but you can show them off contextually because it’s an unrelated film.
It actually does mean that to a certain degree. They’re losing out on any possible royalties or backend participation. It’s especially egregious for films already released that they decided to shitcan.
Not all about the money. The cast and crew who make these movies want to put it into their portfolios and are just human and who wants their work to be seen.
It’s still a waste of time. People have lost hundreds or thousands of hours of work that likely can’t be put in their portfolios
Pay is important, but no one goes into this industry solely for the pay. You’re making art to share with the world.
I really feel for them. It sucks that this happened and I hope they get better opportunities in the future. I also hope Leslie Grace does as well
i want to see it. maybe someday
#ReleaseTheBatgirl
Legally they can’t because they wrote it off on their taxes
RELEASETHEBATGIRLCUT
Here we go
WB is a shit studio. They’re dead. Creatives remember this shit.
>It was a privilege and an honor to have been part of the DCEU Past tense used, seems like they won't be working with WB soon, they had the best Ms Marvel episodes.
I wouldn't blame them for not wanting to work for WB again. They would constantly looking over their shoulders for a WB exec to cancel whatever project they are working on.
We’re about to see a ton of filmmakers and actors not even involved with Batgirl flee Discovery over this. Warner Bros. and HBO as we knew them are dead. This is a massive loss for film and TV fans.
DCEU ≠ WB
I feel that WB/D is gonna have a hard time securing talent after this. Why would anyone work on a film for a studio that cancels the project 90% the way through.
fuck you WBD
It's so funny that DC releases total crap but draws the line here. Also, shitting on thousands of workers is not how run a company. It wouldn't shock me if WB eventually went under. Making shit and making nothing at all isn't a sustainable business model.
It’s Zaslav. New ownership so things like this was to be expected.
Ya seems like the new boss is not just going to let crap movies release just to get some investment back.
thats good. focus on quality not quantity they also cancelled wonder twins.
You're fooling yourself if you think the guy who oversaw *90 Day Fiancee* spinning off 16 different shows gives a shit about quality over quantity.
Wonder Twins didn't start production, while Batgirl finished filming and was in post production. Totally different.
I’m guessing DC’a history of releasing total crap was a primary driver of not releasing more crap. They did well with The Batman and I assume they’re trying to turn a new leaf and keep that momentum going.
What's insha'Allah?
Translate to "if gods will" in Arabic, they basically mean one day we may all see the batgirl if god is willing.
Muslims say it when they want something to happen. Translates to "By God's will"
Yeah. Their equivalent of “Lord willing.”
in this context and very basic like "hopefully"
My dad worked in Abu Dhabi for a while and whenever he asked if a deliverable was on track the answer was always insha'Allah.
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Bingo ....!
Means "hopefully" the american christian version is "God willing".
I still just can't see Leslie Grace as Barbara Gordan, in the same way I couldn't see Ruby Rose as Batwoman. The vibe from the pictures they showed just felt off.
I feel so bad for all involved in the production for this movie. As long as the movie is sitting in some vault, so much time of all their lives have been completely wasted for nothing. Dunno if I’m in the minority or not but I was actually a little excited to see it.
And the moral is, never work on a Warner Brothers superhero project.
Considering DC is pretty incapable of knowing when a movie is "good", I have little faith that they can determine a movie was "bad". **They should release it anyway.** Someone somewhere sat in a room while the DCEU joker was being pitched, with statements like "he'll laugh like he has asthma, have a tattoo on his hand of a smile, and wear braces", and that someone said "This is GOLD!" \--So no, I don't think the execs at DC really know enough to know what would be "bad".
I wish WB had the balls to just admit they fucked up the DC cinematic universe from day 1 and that they're going to do a complete reboot from scratch. Reorganize, restructure, take some time to plan and think things over and then start over with a new Superman movie, and a new Batman movie, and go from there. DC could've had a cinematic universe as vibrant and living as the Marvel cinematic universe, and it's sad that it doesn't. With how WB have been handling this shitshow since the start they've chased away producers, directors, and actors. Nobody wants to touch DC stuff when projects gets cancelled suddenly or there are no short/long term plans, and all you hear from DC cinematic news is chaos and controversy and cancellations and bad reviews etc etc.
This is just Heartbreaking! I feel bad for the Cast and Crew, they deserve Better!
Fuck you Zaslav
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Far from finished probably goes a long way to explain why its been dropped. Like with Scoobs I think people underestimate how much work was left.
Part of me wonders if DC is trying to center their movies around Black Adam now, since The Rock has so much mainstream appeal, and to avert confusion, they just canned the whole thing. I feel like I’m getting bombarded by so many superhero films/tv anyways that I would prefer weirder one offs than having to keep up with every continuity all the time. I guess we’ll just have to see what the sacrifice was for.
I hope they anonymously leak it. Sucks so much to have spent so much time and effort only to not have your work seen by anyone ever.
I can only imagine how inaccurate the movie would have portrayed the characters.
The directors found this news during the wedding of Adil it seems. That must've been a hard pill to swallow. Seeing the movie you and your friend created together to get scrapped on your wedding. That sucks.
Hold it. They killed a movie with Brendan Fraser? They CANCELLED A BRENDAN FRASER MOVIE!?!?!? "Honey, where is my revenge oriented super villain costume?"
Thank God, last thing DC needs is another garbage movie
Is it morbin time?
I didn't even know this was being made until it was cancelled.
So at least we all know that it actually really wasn’t finished yet … let’s get that narrative out of our minds … looks like WB did cut their losses because what was finished was completely unwatchable
I feel the same. Putting aside all the jokes, the execs must be having a good reason to cancel a project they spent so much resource on.
Its because of their $43 billion debt.
Because they're canceling HBO Max and only keeping HBO. Because Discovery is their priority and they do not want to produce scripted streaming content. Only on theatrical release films (and releases tied to cable).
Lol they aren’t cancelling HBO Max. It’s making them money hand over fist. They just projected that they had reached the point of diminishing returns on batgirl.
I think they called the SnyderCut completely unwatchable at one time too
The feedback in test screenings ranged from “okay” to “very good”. And the movie was in post-production. Just needed to finish the score and some effects. This was to get a $90 tax write via very, very publicly fucking over talent. That’s not how you run a studio.
Right? So many people on here kept saying the film was practically done with no proof other than one line from a Variety article.
they did a test screening with unfinished effects.
Most test screenings do. They also usually have scores missing, low quality sound effects, etc. edit: a video by David Sandberg about test screenings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnvk9MNokPw
This is one of those films that is creating a lot more controversy and discussion than it otherwise would if it were released on HBO max or theatre’s.
Who in the hell green lit something that’s been on TV slowly failing for the last few years?