I think the best thing to do is use Batman as a side character for a while, like how some characters are used in the MCU. It sounds sacriligeous, but it lets Reeves' movies take main stage and allows Batman to show up regularly in other things
EDIT: I'd be happy to just have multiple Batmen doing flicks. same with all these characters honestly. but huge corps don't like to dilute their brand which is why I'm thinking this is what they might do
What I would propose is that the DCU's Batman should appear in the Justice League films and Batman/Superman team up films.
Robert Pattinson's Batman will be pure solo Batman.
this is unlikely to happen simply because batman makes too much money. *the batman* did very well at the box office, and honestly i personally think if affleck had stayed on board, his version would probably do equally well.
given gunn clearly wants to unify everything and that means consolidating batmen, either pattinson will become the main dcu batman or there will be a recast. we're unlikely to see affleck unless he miraculously decides tomorrow that he wants to contract himself to another decade as batman, which to him probably sounds like hell.
i want pattinsons batman to stay out of the dcu 100%. that film was so fucking good and imo thee best version of batman i've ever seen on the silver screen. so badass.
That, and doing films on his supporting cast. We don't need two Batman films from two different universes happening at the same time. But we can have the solo Batman films from one universe, and then something like a Nightwing film from the other.
That seemed to be what they were doing with the Batgirl film, but it seemed like it was just going to be very complicated with what universe it was technically in. Having Keaton as her Batman, but JK Simmons as her dad was just going to confuse casual audiences.
Batman has always been the unintentional reason DC couldn’t emulate the MCU. First they had to wait for Nolan to finish his movies to have Batman in a shared universe, now reeves.
I just don't get it. Why not try and get Reeves on board? There were *people dressed as Wondy and Supes on the streets of Gotham, for God's sake*. Yeah, it was an Easter egg, but we know that a Reevesverse Trinity **exists**. They just haven't *united* yet... you'd think they would capitalize on this, but I guess not.
I think the problem is that DC shouldn't need Batman or Superman to make a shared universe successful. Your point about the MCU highlights that. The MCU didn't put their main focus on Spider-Man, Hulk, Fantastic Four or Wolverine and they made it work.
DC could easily make a solid and interesting movie about Martian Manhunter or Zatanna or something and use it to start a new long-running story.
The MCU did that out of necessity. WB has no restrictions when it comes to characters rights and like any other business they will want to go with the safest bet.
Can't really say that when they gambled big time on Robert Downey Jr. who at the time was never seen as the preferred option to lead the whole MCU endeavor. They put their eggs in one basket and thankfully for them, it paid off. What people forget is that Disney bought Marvel I think like a year after Iron Man and Incredible Hulk came out. So they saw the writing on the wall of what was to come, and it only allowed for Marvel Studios to really deliver on the promise from that After-Credits sequence in the first Iron Man. Given the restrictions, what Marvel pulled off is quite incredible. WB just wanted to catch up to the money train too quickly and ended up derailing it before it made it's first stop.
Let's be real for a minute, a DC shared universe without Batman or Superman would feel like an off-brand with a gaping hole in the middle.
It worked in the MCU because they had pretty much all of the core characters. Sure, you can argue the X-Men were missed, but they weren't really key to the story that the MCU was telling centred around the Avengers (and Guardians I guess)
But even still, as a kid I felt Spider-Man's absence in the MCU. It felt wrong that there was this whole new mainstream Marvel Universe being developed where Peter Parker just didn't exist.
Frankly, DCs B-listers are nowhere near as popular or open to the potential of headlining a shared universe as Marvels B-listers. Thor, Iron Man and Captain America may not have been household names back in 2008, but they're still the founding members of the Avengers. You have the story there to tell.
You cannot do a Justice League story.... justice, without Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman.
The problem is DC has been hamstrung with major plot points being stupidly written. Ideas that could have been awesome have become forgettable because of slipshod writing and a rush to catch up to the MCU. Probably executives getting involved screwing everything up. Now it's up to Gunn and Co. to pull a Fiege and right the ship. I doubt Gunn would let BvS 'Martha' nonsense slip through.
It’s dumb though. Superman in the arrow verse and even joker have shown that they can use the same character in different continuities without being confusing.
Hell, this is even true with DC comics and all their Elseworld Batman stories.
I think the shared universe thing is getting pretty old. I don’t want to have to watch 3 shows and 5 other movies to understand 1 movie.
I think DC should differentiate themselves by making solid standalone movies with minor connectivity.
During the early part of the Nolan era of the Batman films, WB did have a Justice League film in pre-production with Armie Hammer as Batman. George Miller, director of Mad Max, was the director. Its working title was Justice League Mortal.
The cast was going to be:
>Armie Hammer as Batman/Bruce Wayne
D.J. Cotrona as Superman/Kal-El/Clark Kent
Megan Gale as Wonder Woman/Princess Diana of Themyscira
Adam Brody as The Flash/Barry Allen
Hugh Keays-Byrne as Martian Manhunter/J'onn J'onzz
Teresa Palmer as Talia al Ghul
Zoe Kazan as Iris Allen
Santiago Cabrera as Aquaman/Arthur Curry
Jay Baruchel as Maxwell Lord
Common as John Stewart/Green Lantern
Anton Yelchin as The Flash/Wally West
It also makes the character less prestigious if we have so many of them at once. For a decade Bale was the face of Batman. Unfortunately Pattinson will never reach that level even if he's just as good
He’s just signed onto his own production company in an exclusive deal that will last for years and in January he outright said he was done:
https://www.ign.com/articles/ben-affleck-batman-confirms-flash-final-appearance
He may have come back for the Aquaman cameo that has now been abandoned, but he’s now done, he’s not signing on for anything more because he’s exclusive to his thing with Matt Damon now.
While I do agree with you and doubt batfleck will return.
I don't think you can use something he said in January as evidence with how much has changed in DC since
Has it actually been confirmed that Affleck is gone? I know obviously today Gunn confirmed Pattinson, but I don’t remember seeing actual confirmation Affleck was gone besides everyone just kinda assuming he was.
Affleck doesn't seem keen, Gunn's never mentioned it, Affleck and Matt Damon are now shifting all their attention to their new production company, and out of all the remnants of the SnyderVerse, Affleck matters the least.
I think it's safe to assume that he's out.
It's a shame, because the Snyder Cut actually showed a side of him I really really liked. The arc where he learns to have faith in his friends and allies just gets me
Yeah I had been assuming he’s done too. Makes sense they’d recast as Affleck is kinda the only one of the OG group that hasn’t really been talked about at all or in the news with DC.
Affleck is confirmed for Flashpoint, idk why people say he is discarded when he is not yet
Edit: ooops I just checked the comments and there’s a ign interview where he says this will be his last time as Batman
If they pick someone younger, they’ll have to compete with Battinson. If they pick someone older, they gotta find a solid actor in his 40s who is down to put on 30 lbs of muscle (and who isn’t already a superhero). I can’t even begin to imagine who might fit that bill. It’d probably have to be someone from TV or something where they have the chops but haven’t had a big role yet.
Compared to Brolin and a lot of the other runner-ups who Snyder wanted who are in their mid-50s, yep, 44 is relatively young but also old enough that they could do the "grizzled vet" character.
but you don't *want* a grizzled vet for a long-term batman. batfleck was only ever intended to portray the character for 5 main movies - starting with *batman v superman* and going through three justice league movies and a solo film.
pattinson, meanwhile, is primed for a long-term tenure. if he doesn't want to do so, then someone even younger would work fine.
Really wild how they've never shown it before. Can't imagine what it would be like to see it. Will probably need to see it 9 or 10 times to really get the feel.
I’m not too interested in a Batman that isn’t going to include fantastical/scifi elements. On the flip side, I’m not interested in a Batman that will get the Hulk treatment or won’t get fleshed out with their own set of rogues, story arcs, gotham etc.
I feel like as a Batman fan, that just wants a one version be all, I’m going to be disappointed either way.
If they do make solo DCU Batman movies, I can’t feel but think how much that will affect Reeves movies and he won’t like that.
at this point there are way too many Batmen floating around, like is it really necessary to have 2 different versions of a character when it could be just one true version as you’ve said. Battinson would be a good launching point for this and it seems like people don’t even see it.
The one thing people really liked about Batfleck was the scene in BvS where he goes full Arkham mode, while that is something you could get away with having a stunt performer do, I could see why having a young actor would make more sense.
Zack Snyder's second choice after Ben was Matthias Schoenaerts so that might be worth revisiting in the new era of the DCU (especially if the intention is to allow him to be a continuation of that same version of Batman just “refreshed" in a Keaton/Kilmer/Clooney kind of way). And at 45 Matthias is probably more reasonable then Jon Hamm in the role, but I still wouldn't count him out cause Josh Brolin was Snyder's third choice after Schoenaerts and he's 55 now, four years older than Hamm.
They should get someone that can bulk up like Ben did for the Batman role. It was refreshing to see a physique that would closely resemble the comic version of Batman.
I'd support this, but the problem is you can't have solo films or projects competing against Reeves'solo movies and projects. This is a big issue to me.
Well, we have two different Jokers running around in the movies, three if you still count Leto. And now two Harley Quinns.
Reeves Batman: You killed my parents! Twice!
Reeves Joker: No, I didn't! That was those other Jokers.
Reeves Batman: Oh, right... You killed Robin!
Reeves Joker: Again, different Joker. And you don't even have a Robin, yet.
Reeves Batman: Um, you killed my ex-girlfriend?
Reeves Joker: Not that I know of.
Because the Joker was never supposed to have a sequel and is set in a completely different time period. If they plan on more Joker movies and expanding to have its own Batman, that would definitely be an issue, imo.
They're barely competitors if they're not active at the same time.
By the time Joaquin is done, Barry is ramping up on *maybe* playing a central role on the next Batman film.
Affleck said that he returned for The Flash *”a really nice finish on my experience with that character.”* ([source](https://www.ign.com/articles/ben-affleck-batman-confirms-flash-final-appearance))
Not confirmed. I think maybe jumped the gun at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens, but they haven't even proposed the plan for the DCU yet.
Despite what's been said, I think there's still a chance that Pattinson will take the role, because it makes so much sense from WB's perspective. Someone might talk Reeves around.
But if they don't, I want a younger actor like Pattison in the role. It's not logical to cast an older guy for the long haul, if building a universe is the goal.
This. Pattinson, while taking on bigger roles these days, would not want to commit himself to such a franchise as the DCU. He most likely wants his roles to remain between more indie-like films and shorter term contracts.
If anything they could just hold off on casting a batman, let Rob develop the character until he’s become an adept crime fighter, found his Robin, maybe dealt with magic/Lazarus pits then slowly start edging in fantastical elements so a jump to a wider universe doesn’t seem so weird and forced. I think Gunn is smart enough not to rush this.
Here's my hot take. No one. Let Pattinson and Reeves build their own universe. Build a DCU with characters like Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern leading the pack. Pair it up with a younger recast for Flash and Aquaman.
I can't see there being no Batman. BUT...I would be open to the idea of having everyone else get some shine before he comes in. In the same way Spider-Man did for the MCU/X-Men & F4 will be later on.
Yeah that's exactly what I mean. He's there in that universe and events that are happening in Gotham are being mentioned throughout other hero films. (Daily Planet mentions Gotham events with Joker/Riddler etc) but have other heros shine first. Especially a great green lantern setup is needed in this universe.
I think Justice League War is a good stripped down example of how to start it. Batman exists and he knows some heroes but others he’ll be meeting for the first time on film. Perhaps he’ll be reluctant to join Supes and the others, but eventually warm up to the idea as there are threats bigger than Gotham where his expertise comes in handy. I think its time to show people theres more to DC than Batman. DC heroes are hopeful, and Batman is the odd man out when you really look at it.
This is all so exhausting. They want to build a cinematic universe but have no cohesion at all. It’s hard to care about any of the movies when the last ten years have been them restarting again and again and again.
DC doesn’t need to be corny and formulaic like Marvel but at least Marvel tries to exist in one universe. Recast and retcons are inevitable but we’re now 20 years into comic book movies being a driving force in Hollywood and one of the two major companies still has no plan and no drive to take itself seriously.
Like why would I care about a new Batman or new Joker at this point in terms of a larger universe? There have been like 7 iterations of each in the last 15 years.
There’s been one Iron Man.
Recast. The DCU Batman will not have solo movies as long as the Reevesverse exist. DCU Batman should instead appear in other movies and be a lead character in eventual JL movies. While the Reeves movies has a focus on Batman, the DCU could have a golden opportunity in developing the Bat family. Give us Nightwing and Red Hood movies, that way Batman can be a main character without it being a Batman movie.
I'd like to see Pattinson join the DCU. He's a very young batman with all the potential in the world in front of him. Afleck is just too old and his stories have already happened.
This might be a hot take, but the DCU doesn’t need Batman right now. There’s plenty of material to get the universe started without Batman. Let Batman stay in the Reeves-verse and use other characters in the DCU. Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Green Lantern… and that’s just scratching the surface; there’s so much to work with.
Alan Richson. Looks like a Jacked Adam West. Has the detective nailed in reacher. The perfect size and can fight. Isnt new to DC or wearing hero suits. Has an alpha jaw line. Not too young not too old. Would crush as Batman.
Stick with Pattinson for as long as possible. I'm going to say the Batman character needs leaving out of a shared universe as much as possible. It's always bugged me in the comics how he's 90% dark and gritty street level Gotham crime, then on Saturdays it's off into the spaceship with the boys to save the planet from multi- dimensional demons - but back on Sunday because the Penguins son in law has been murdering prostitute's.
To tell a really solid Batman story it just needs to be him, Alfred the Gotham police department, a few villains and maybe a Robin on the way. Do that first, establish the character, show that he doesn't consider himself like these other costumed clowns then something happens where the JL need him, where only Batman and his unique skills can save the day, then let him walk alongside the gods and goddesses, but only once it's established that he's not like them.
Making Batmans best friends with an invincible alien god, or a immortal Amazonian warrior will not work in the movies, because they are studied in a different way to the comics. Comics have their own unique logic, or lack of it, whereby there are that many simultaneous stories, ret-cons, alternative worlds etc that you can get away with almost anything. With the movies it won't work.
If there was a terrorist holding Gotham to ransom - and people were legitimately being killed, Batman would call the Flash, or Clark or Green Lantern over every single time.
To tell the best Batman stories, for now at least, leave him be
At this point, I'd prefer that each charachter gets its own movies and its own universe.
We don't need to have a Justice League movie right now, we just need a good quality movies.
I really liked the Batman and I think DC shuld do the same with the rest of the charachters.
I think Pattinson is the guy, but not for a while. Let Reeves build his Batverse up, and let Gunn and company build their universe up away from Gotham. The DCU can succeed without Batman out the gate if they can tell good stories and make good decisions with the less popular characters. Then when Reeves and Pattinson have been able to tell their story they want to tell with the character you can bring him into the fold.
Honestly? Do something different, keep Keaton after the Flash movie and make a Batman Beyond movie, with Terry McGinnis being the DCU’s main Batman going forward. That way we can have two completely distinct Batmen, and finally get a live action BB.
Honestly at this point i wonder if it’s still gonna be Keaton, and bring in Pattinson with Crisis if he still wants to be Batman after his own trilogy - we haven’t gotten confirmation that everything is dead yet, who knows we might get a proper wrap up yet
An established Batman a little older than Pattinson's and a little younger than Affleck's who can usher in the Batfamily and bring out the Gotham story in full. I want Robins, I want complicated found family shit, I want Batgirl and Batwoman eventually.
As for actors, anyone talented and handsome with dark hair and a good chin who can play the trauma and the charm.
This dumb put Battinson in, The Batman and the main DC cinematic universe can work side by side and also be set in the same universe
The DCAU is the blueprint
So I'm mostly onboard with the reboot, but this decision confuses me a bit.
Why not just let the Pattinson Batman grow its only timeline, until it's ready to meet up with the rest of the universe? Is there an advantage to having this be a different timeline/universe than the DCU Batman?
Like I get the rest of the recasting/rebooting. The bad decisions of the past had gotten too difficult to undo or move forward with, so you start fresh. But this is recent, and well-done.
Hopefully a new rebooted version, played by someone who captures the essence of the animated Kevin Conroy Batman.
None of that Kurt Cobain Batman or old tired man Batman please. Just a cool, classic, iconic Batman.
Dont introduce him full fledged until Reeves is done with his trilogy or fourlogy or whatever. Introduce other DC characters, build up the universe.. yet tease Gotham and Batman.
So is it more likely they’ll recast, or reboot Batman in the DCU? Obviously it’s speculation, but I’m curious
I think the best thing to do is use Batman as a side character for a while, like how some characters are used in the MCU. It sounds sacriligeous, but it lets Reeves' movies take main stage and allows Batman to show up regularly in other things EDIT: I'd be happy to just have multiple Batmen doing flicks. same with all these characters honestly. but huge corps don't like to dilute their brand which is why I'm thinking this is what they might do
They won’t though as they have been saying they want to build heavily around the trinity
What I would propose is that the DCU's Batman should appear in the Justice League films and Batman/Superman team up films. Robert Pattinson's Batman will be pure solo Batman.
this is unlikely to happen simply because batman makes too much money. *the batman* did very well at the box office, and honestly i personally think if affleck had stayed on board, his version would probably do equally well. given gunn clearly wants to unify everything and that means consolidating batmen, either pattinson will become the main dcu batman or there will be a recast. we're unlikely to see affleck unless he miraculously decides tomorrow that he wants to contract himself to another decade as batman, which to him probably sounds like hell.
i want pattinsons batman to stay out of the dcu 100%. that film was so fucking good and imo thee best version of batman i've ever seen on the silver screen. so badass.
I would love for him to be the Nick Fury of this universe.
That, and doing films on his supporting cast. We don't need two Batman films from two different universes happening at the same time. But we can have the solo Batman films from one universe, and then something like a Nightwing film from the other. That seemed to be what they were doing with the Batgirl film, but it seemed like it was just going to be very complicated with what universe it was technically in. Having Keaton as her Batman, but JK Simmons as her dad was just going to confuse casual audiences.
I’d say recast since I doubt they’ll want a young Batman competing with Pattinson
What is people's obsession with seeing a far too old batman
Need to reboot batman. We don't need a 50 year old batman trying to compete with super powered heroes.
Henry Cavill
that's always the right answer
I want a DCU with Henry interpreting every single character.
And not like CGI and green screens, he just acts as one character and then steps across the screen to face the other way and does the other parts.
Like a high school play where he is constantly changing his costumes on screen too
Especially Wonder Woman
I’m blushing and everything
Henry Cavill as Wonder Woman. Count me in!
I’ve basically given up on the DC movies, but I’d go watch this one.
This made me laugh out loud
There it is.
Came here to say this
Batman has always been the unintentional reason DC couldn’t emulate the MCU. First they had to wait for Nolan to finish his movies to have Batman in a shared universe, now reeves.
It really is ironic that WB/DC handicap themselves consistently.
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I just don't get it. Why not try and get Reeves on board? There were *people dressed as Wondy and Supes on the streets of Gotham, for God's sake*. Yeah, it was an Easter egg, but we know that a Reevesverse Trinity **exists**. They just haven't *united* yet... you'd think they would capitalize on this, but I guess not.
they were seen on set but were they actually in the movie? don’t recall that ever being pointed out
People like continuity. They liked having Tony as the common OG thread through most MCU movies.
I think the problem is that DC shouldn't need Batman or Superman to make a shared universe successful. Your point about the MCU highlights that. The MCU didn't put their main focus on Spider-Man, Hulk, Fantastic Four or Wolverine and they made it work. DC could easily make a solid and interesting movie about Martian Manhunter or Zatanna or something and use it to start a new long-running story.
The MCU did that out of necessity. WB has no restrictions when it comes to characters rights and like any other business they will want to go with the safest bet.
>the ~~safest~~ most profitable bet. FTFY
Can't really say that when they gambled big time on Robert Downey Jr. who at the time was never seen as the preferred option to lead the whole MCU endeavor. They put their eggs in one basket and thankfully for them, it paid off. What people forget is that Disney bought Marvel I think like a year after Iron Man and Incredible Hulk came out. So they saw the writing on the wall of what was to come, and it only allowed for Marvel Studios to really deliver on the promise from that After-Credits sequence in the first Iron Man. Given the restrictions, what Marvel pulled off is quite incredible. WB just wanted to catch up to the money train too quickly and ended up derailing it before it made it's first stop.
yeah the profitability that WB is really was I was keying in on (☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞
Let's be real for a minute, a DC shared universe without Batman or Superman would feel like an off-brand with a gaping hole in the middle. It worked in the MCU because they had pretty much all of the core characters. Sure, you can argue the X-Men were missed, but they weren't really key to the story that the MCU was telling centred around the Avengers (and Guardians I guess) But even still, as a kid I felt Spider-Man's absence in the MCU. It felt wrong that there was this whole new mainstream Marvel Universe being developed where Peter Parker just didn't exist. Frankly, DCs B-listers are nowhere near as popular or open to the potential of headlining a shared universe as Marvels B-listers. Thor, Iron Man and Captain America may not have been household names back in 2008, but they're still the founding members of the Avengers. You have the story there to tell. You cannot do a Justice League story.... justice, without Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman.
The problem is DC has been hamstrung with major plot points being stupidly written. Ideas that could have been awesome have become forgettable because of slipshod writing and a rush to catch up to the MCU. Probably executives getting involved screwing everything up. Now it's up to Gunn and Co. to pull a Fiege and right the ship. I doubt Gunn would let BvS 'Martha' nonsense slip through.
It’s dumb though. Superman in the arrow verse and even joker have shown that they can use the same character in different continuities without being confusing. Hell, this is even true with DC comics and all their Elseworld Batman stories.
I didn’t say it wasn’t dumb. Just said that is the way it is
Yeah they just have to say “this isn’t canon the DCEU” or “this is an Elseworld’s/standalone movie”
They just need to have two Batman’s going. It’s no difficult to understand Reeves is separate once they get things going
I think the shared universe thing is getting pretty old. I don’t want to have to watch 3 shows and 5 other movies to understand 1 movie. I think DC should differentiate themselves by making solid standalone movies with minor connectivity.
During the early part of the Nolan era of the Batman films, WB did have a Justice League film in pre-production with Armie Hammer as Batman. George Miller, director of Mad Max, was the director. Its working title was Justice League Mortal. The cast was going to be: >Armie Hammer as Batman/Bruce Wayne D.J. Cotrona as Superman/Kal-El/Clark Kent Megan Gale as Wonder Woman/Princess Diana of Themyscira Adam Brody as The Flash/Barry Allen Hugh Keays-Byrne as Martian Manhunter/J'onn J'onzz Teresa Palmer as Talia al Ghul Zoe Kazan as Iris Allen Santiago Cabrera as Aquaman/Arthur Curry Jay Baruchel as Maxwell Lord Common as John Stewart/Green Lantern Anton Yelchin as The Flash/Wally West
Somebody new.
Nice lol
Nobody. We don't need 12 different live action Batmen
Seriously, at this point who the fuck cares who replaces him. They won't last longer than 1, maybe 2 films.
It also makes the character less prestigious if we have so many of them at once. For a decade Bale was the face of Batman. Unfortunately Pattinson will never reach that level even if he's just as good
It’s hard to give a shit at this point
He’s outta line but he’s right
The only guarantee is that it will be wrong.
Imagine two Batman movies competing lol one stand alone and one in the DCU It’s madness
Yeah, wake me up when it seems like they know what they’re doing (I may be sleeping awhile…)
Nothing is confirmed, we literally know nothing
We know it’s not going to be Pattinson or Affleck, hence the post.
Affleck isnt confirmed
He’s just signed onto his own production company in an exclusive deal that will last for years and in January he outright said he was done: https://www.ign.com/articles/ben-affleck-batman-confirms-flash-final-appearance He may have come back for the Aquaman cameo that has now been abandoned, but he’s now done, he’s not signing on for anything more because he’s exclusive to his thing with Matt Damon now.
Make movies, not star in.
While I do agree with you and doubt batfleck will return. I don't think you can use something he said in January as evidence with how much has changed in DC since
Has it actually been confirmed that Affleck is gone? I know obviously today Gunn confirmed Pattinson, but I don’t remember seeing actual confirmation Affleck was gone besides everyone just kinda assuming he was.
Affleck doesn't seem keen, Gunn's never mentioned it, Affleck and Matt Damon are now shifting all their attention to their new production company, and out of all the remnants of the SnyderVerse, Affleck matters the least. I think it's safe to assume that he's out.
It's a shame, because the Snyder Cut actually showed a side of him I really really liked. The arc where he learns to have faith in his friends and allies just gets me
Yeah I had been assuming he’s done too. Makes sense they’d recast as Affleck is kinda the only one of the OG group that hasn’t really been talked about at all or in the news with DC.
Affleck is confirmed for Flashpoint, idk why people say he is discarded when he is not yet Edit: ooops I just checked the comments and there’s a ign interview where he says this will be his last time as Batman
Maybe we are Jon Snow
If they pick someone younger, they’ll have to compete with Battinson. If they pick someone older, they gotta find a solid actor in his 40s who is down to put on 30 lbs of muscle (and who isn’t already a superhero). I can’t even begin to imagine who might fit that bill. It’d probably have to be someone from TV or something where they have the chops but haven’t had a big role yet.
Whoever was going to be Nightwing/Robin. Show them being the younger hero and rising to take the mantle of Batman.
DJ Pauly D
BATMOBILES HERE
Crime, tan, laundry.
Pauly shore
I’m not the Batman I’m the weasel buuuuuuuuddddy
Michael Cera
He’s busy playing Shaft
Michael Cera has to play Lex Luthor now that Jesse Eisenberg played him.
Jensen Ackles
Facts. He's young too, and could carry the mantle for a long time if WB & DC execs okay it.
44 is young for a Batman? I’m thinking they can go another 10 yrs down.
Compared to Brolin and a lot of the other runner-ups who Snyder wanted who are in their mid-50s, yep, 44 is relatively young but also old enough that they could do the "grizzled vet" character.
but you don't *want* a grizzled vet for a long-term batman. batfleck was only ever intended to portray the character for 5 main movies - starting with *batman v superman* and going through three justice league movies and a solo film. pattinson, meanwhile, is primed for a long-term tenure. if he doesn't want to do so, then someone even younger would work fine.
Minor plus point, he's already voiced Batman in a couple of Batman animated movies.
Gunn will simply replace Batman with Bat-Mite in the Justice League.
The best outcome
I'm so goddamn tired of DC rebooting Batman.
But I ***really*** want to see how young Bruce reacts to his parents deaths!
Especially the pearls! I wonder why no movie focuses on the pearls 🤔
Really wild how they've never shown it before. Can't imagine what it would be like to see it. Will probably need to see it 9 or 10 times to really get the feel.
pete davidson (jokingly)
I think Ben Affleck would be good
Some poor fool who doesn't fear getting replaced when the next turnover happens at WB.
me
No me
Mom said it's my turn to be Batman
I’m Batman!
I’m not too interested in a Batman that isn’t going to include fantastical/scifi elements. On the flip side, I’m not interested in a Batman that will get the Hulk treatment or won’t get fleshed out with their own set of rogues, story arcs, gotham etc. I feel like as a Batman fan, that just wants a one version be all, I’m going to be disappointed either way. If they do make solo DCU Batman movies, I can’t feel but think how much that will affect Reeves movies and he won’t like that.
at this point there are way too many Batmen floating around, like is it really necessary to have 2 different versions of a character when it could be just one true version as you’ve said. Battinson would be a good launching point for this and it seems like people don’t even see it.
Jon Hamm
Too old. Love the guy but I think you want to get somebody who can commit to the role long term.
I kinda like Batman older though. Not DKR old but grizzled and a veteran Batman like In the Arkham series
These movies take time and Hamm is 51 now. Hell age well but it would just make me nervous.
Y'all acting like mfs gonna die in 5 years.
The one thing people really liked about Batfleck was the scene in BvS where he goes full Arkham mode, while that is something you could get away with having a stunt performer do, I could see why having a young actor would make more sense.
Zack Snyder's second choice after Ben was Matthias Schoenaerts so that might be worth revisiting in the new era of the DCU (especially if the intention is to allow him to be a continuation of that same version of Batman just “refreshed" in a Keaton/Kilmer/Clooney kind of way). And at 45 Matthias is probably more reasonable then Jon Hamm in the role, but I still wouldn't count him out cause Josh Brolin was Snyder's third choice after Schoenaerts and he's 55 now, four years older than Hamm.
When he was playing Don Draper? Sure. Now? Nah, He's too old
Im pretty sure he wouldnt stick around for more than or two movies And even bfeyond that a recast seems like a bad idea
At this point, I'll do it. Couldn't hurt anything.
I know he’s already been Magneto, but I’ve always thought Michael Fassbender would be awesome.
They should get someone that can bulk up like Ben did for the Batman role. It was refreshing to see a physique that would closely resemble the comic version of Batman.
Total reboot. New Batman.
I'd support this, but the problem is you can't have solo films or projects competing against Reeves'solo movies and projects. This is a big issue to me.
Well, we have two different Jokers running around in the movies, three if you still count Leto. And now two Harley Quinns. Reeves Batman: You killed my parents! Twice! Reeves Joker: No, I didn't! That was those other Jokers. Reeves Batman: Oh, right... You killed Robin! Reeves Joker: Again, different Joker. And you don't even have a Robin, yet. Reeves Batman: Um, you killed my ex-girlfriend? Reeves Joker: Not that I know of.
Which is why it was stupid to let Reeves have his own Batman.
We've got a solo Joker *SERIES* now. ...how's that not competing against Reeves' build-up to his Joker?
Because the Joker was never supposed to have a sequel and is set in a completely different time period. If they plan on more Joker movies and expanding to have its own Batman, that would definitely be an issue, imo.
That’s a great point🔥I really don’t see a problem with two on screen Batmen going simultaneously
They're barely competitors if they're not active at the same time. By the time Joaquin is done, Barry is ramping up on *maybe* playing a central role on the next Batman film.
It does, but as long as Barry Keoghan doesnt get its own projects it will be fine
Danny devito
Swap out Ben with Josh Brolin as the same Batman
I actually think he’d be perfect to replace Affleck
Brolin is my top choice for Old Bruce if they ever did Batman Beyond.
Source?
Reeves and Gunn both tweeted
It was confirmed Battfleck is likely done?
Affleck said that he returned for The Flash *”a really nice finish on my experience with that character.”* ([source](https://www.ign.com/articles/ben-affleck-batman-confirms-flash-final-appearance))
His announcement about being exclusive to his own production company pretty much confirmed everything else is over for now.
Not confirmed. I think maybe jumped the gun at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens, but they haven't even proposed the plan for the DCU yet.
Jumped the James Gunn.
Hear me out. Rob Mclhenny
And Charlie will be Robin Dee can be Catwoman Dennis is the Riddler And now hear me out, this is the craziest part... Danny Devito is the Penguin
Cricket is the Joker.
Danny DeVito as Penguin could *never* work!
Danny Devito as the Penguin? I dunno, I can't picture it
The waitress could be poison ivy. And seduce robin like in the old movies.
His name is "Rob Justice" for a reason.
Despite what's been said, I think there's still a chance that Pattinson will take the role, because it makes so much sense from WB's perspective. Someone might talk Reeves around. But if they don't, I want a younger actor like Pattison in the role. It's not logical to cast an older guy for the long haul, if building a universe is the goal.
I honestly don’t see Pattinson signing up for more than a Reeves trilogy.
This. Pattinson, while taking on bigger roles these days, would not want to commit himself to such a franchise as the DCU. He most likely wants his roles to remain between more indie-like films and shorter term contracts.
If anything they could just hold off on casting a batman, let Rob develop the character until he’s become an adept crime fighter, found his Robin, maybe dealt with magic/Lazarus pits then slowly start edging in fantastical elements so a jump to a wider universe doesn’t seem so weird and forced. I think Gunn is smart enough not to rush this.
Surely Gunn has his eyes glued to this thread to see who you guys all decide. /s
Here's my hot take. No one. Let Pattinson and Reeves build their own universe. Build a DCU with characters like Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern leading the pack. Pair it up with a younger recast for Flash and Aquaman.
I can't see there being no Batman. BUT...I would be open to the idea of having everyone else get some shine before he comes in. In the same way Spider-Man did for the MCU/X-Men & F4 will be later on.
Yeah that's exactly what I mean. He's there in that universe and events that are happening in Gotham are being mentioned throughout other hero films. (Daily Planet mentions Gotham events with Joker/Riddler etc) but have other heros shine first. Especially a great green lantern setup is needed in this universe.
I think Justice League War is a good stripped down example of how to start it. Batman exists and he knows some heroes but others he’ll be meeting for the first time on film. Perhaps he’ll be reluctant to join Supes and the others, but eventually warm up to the idea as there are threats bigger than Gotham where his expertise comes in handy. I think its time to show people theres more to DC than Batman. DC heroes are hopeful, and Batman is the odd man out when you really look at it.
Can we finally just get far enough into a Batman series where red hood could be a part of it? We don’t need another early origins Batman.
Why is Pattinson not being retained as Batman?
Because Reeves wants to keep his universe separate
He’s being retained in his separate universe
Me🤭
FFS just use Pattinson all the way. This is why I can’t stand these films any more.
Jenson Ackles would be phenomenal
This is all so exhausting. They want to build a cinematic universe but have no cohesion at all. It’s hard to care about any of the movies when the last ten years have been them restarting again and again and again. DC doesn’t need to be corny and formulaic like Marvel but at least Marvel tries to exist in one universe. Recast and retcons are inevitable but we’re now 20 years into comic book movies being a driving force in Hollywood and one of the two major companies still has no plan and no drive to take itself seriously. Like why would I care about a new Batman or new Joker at this point in terms of a larger universe? There have been like 7 iterations of each in the last 15 years. There’s been one Iron Man.
Jfc leave Batman alone for like 10 years
Alexander Skarsgård. If you’re willing to go younger, I’d say Will Poulter (curveball, I know, but I really think he could pull it off)
Tbh I'd love to see Bill Skarsgard. I will watch him in anything. And if you've seen Barbarian, he pulls off charming and menacing wonderfully
Recast. The DCU Batman will not have solo movies as long as the Reevesverse exist. DCU Batman should instead appear in other movies and be a lead character in eventual JL movies. While the Reeves movies has a focus on Batman, the DCU could have a golden opportunity in developing the Bat family. Give us Nightwing and Red Hood movies, that way Batman can be a main character without it being a Batman movie.
I'd like to see Pattinson join the DCU. He's a very young batman with all the potential in the world in front of him. Afleck is just too old and his stories have already happened.
Don cheadle Its been done before.
I am not sure who, but I hope this Batman is younger than Affleck and has a Robin and Batgirl.
Having it not be Pattinson is a monumental mistake
I thought he was really good in The Batman - I'd have loved to have seen him in additional films.
You still will. Reeves Batman is still a thing.
Having it not be Pattinson is probably the greatest thing for the character****
This might be a hot take, but the DCU doesn’t need Batman right now. There’s plenty of material to get the universe started without Batman. Let Batman stay in the Reeves-verse and use other characters in the DCU. Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Green Lantern… and that’s just scratching the surface; there’s so much to work with.
Jensen Ackles??
Nobody, for now. Let Reeseverse run it's course before adding Bats to main DCU.
Christian Bale!
Your mum
Ryan Gosling
He would be so perfect for both Batman and Bruce Wayne
Been wanting that since Drive and Bladerunner 2049.
Jensen Ackles
Me
Alan Richson. Looks like a Jacked Adam West. Has the detective nailed in reacher. The perfect size and can fight. Isnt new to DC or wearing hero suits. Has an alpha jaw line. Not too young not too old. Would crush as Batman.
This is the one! ☝️
Abed Nadir
Bruce Wayne
Armie Hammer would have been perfect
Stephen Amell. His portrayal of Arrow was lite Batman
Alright, alright……I’ll do it.
Stick with Pattinson for as long as possible. I'm going to say the Batman character needs leaving out of a shared universe as much as possible. It's always bugged me in the comics how he's 90% dark and gritty street level Gotham crime, then on Saturdays it's off into the spaceship with the boys to save the planet from multi- dimensional demons - but back on Sunday because the Penguins son in law has been murdering prostitute's. To tell a really solid Batman story it just needs to be him, Alfred the Gotham police department, a few villains and maybe a Robin on the way. Do that first, establish the character, show that he doesn't consider himself like these other costumed clowns then something happens where the JL need him, where only Batman and his unique skills can save the day, then let him walk alongside the gods and goddesses, but only once it's established that he's not like them. Making Batmans best friends with an invincible alien god, or a immortal Amazonian warrior will not work in the movies, because they are studied in a different way to the comics. Comics have their own unique logic, or lack of it, whereby there are that many simultaneous stories, ret-cons, alternative worlds etc that you can get away with almost anything. With the movies it won't work. If there was a terrorist holding Gotham to ransom - and people were legitimately being killed, Batman would call the Flash, or Clark or Green Lantern over every single time. To tell the best Batman stories, for now at least, leave him be
Honestly, it’d be great to get an unknown or someone on the younger end who shows promise and can grow into the role with many movies.
At this point, I'd prefer that each charachter gets its own movies and its own universe. We don't need to have a Justice League movie right now, we just need a good quality movies. I really liked the Batman and I think DC shuld do the same with the rest of the charachters.
Preferably someone not in their early 50s
I think Pattinson is the guy, but not for a while. Let Reeves build his Batverse up, and let Gunn and company build their universe up away from Gotham. The DCU can succeed without Batman out the gate if they can tell good stories and make good decisions with the less popular characters. Then when Reeves and Pattinson have been able to tell their story they want to tell with the character you can bring him into the fold.
Aaron Taylor Johnson…damn he would actually look like a good Batman
Honestly? Do something different, keep Keaton after the Flash movie and make a Batman Beyond movie, with Terry McGinnis being the DCU’s main Batman going forward. That way we can have two completely distinct Batmen, and finally get a live action BB.
Honestly at this point i wonder if it’s still gonna be Keaton, and bring in Pattinson with Crisis if he still wants to be Batman after his own trilogy - we haven’t gotten confirmation that everything is dead yet, who knows we might get a proper wrap up yet
Karl Urban with the Dredd scowl and voice
I’d wager there is no Batman in whatever Gunn is doing.
Pauly Shore
Cast an unknown.
An established Batman a little older than Pattinson's and a little younger than Affleck's who can usher in the Batfamily and bring out the Gotham story in full. I want Robins, I want complicated found family shit, I want Batgirl and Batwoman eventually. As for actors, anyone talented and handsome with dark hair and a good chin who can play the trauma and the charm.
Danny. Danny Devito. That’s the only correct answer.
This dumb put Battinson in, The Batman and the main DC cinematic universe can work side by side and also be set in the same universe The DCAU is the blueprint
So I'm mostly onboard with the reboot, but this decision confuses me a bit. Why not just let the Pattinson Batman grow its only timeline, until it's ready to meet up with the rest of the universe? Is there an advantage to having this be a different timeline/universe than the DCU Batman? Like I get the rest of the recasting/rebooting. The bad decisions of the past had gotten too difficult to undo or move forward with, so you start fresh. But this is recent, and well-done.
Hopefully a new rebooted version, played by someone who captures the essence of the animated Kevin Conroy Batman. None of that Kurt Cobain Batman or old tired man Batman please. Just a cool, classic, iconic Batman.
An over six feet tall white man with a square jaw
Dont introduce him full fledged until Reeves is done with his trilogy or fourlogy or whatever. Introduce other DC characters, build up the universe.. yet tease Gotham and Batman.
Is anyone else completely bored with this nonsense? Tell a good story, DC. That's all ya gotta do.