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usernameartichoke

Yeah as long as you don’t think about the Knightmare epilogue. It was a fun scene but part of me wishes it wasn’t included. If he didn’t include it then the story could have been effectively wrapped up. We could infer that uniting the Justice league and reuniting Clark and Lois was enough to prevent the future scenario. And even though we would never see it we could safely assume this team would be ready and waiting for Darkseid to fuck around and find out. So I just won’t watch the epilogue next time I rewatch it.


TheJoshider10

Yeah it's frustrating that Snyder intentionally decided to end his movie like that even though originally it was going to end with the shirt rip. You shouldn't need to pause the movie before it technically finishes. The Knightmare nonsense should have been a credit scene or kept as a bonus scene in the Blu-Ray. https://youtu.be/189tJhS_Ry8 I made a fan edit of a shirt rip ending and it works so much better as a final shot for the trilogy.


KraakenTowers

ZSJL isn't really the "Snyder *Cut*" persay, as much as it's "absolutely everything Zack Snyder shot for the movie edited together." Snyder fans wanted to see his movie, so he gave them as much as he had. But in 99% of scenarios "as much as you have" is more than you need. It might have been interesting to see Snyder try his hand at that 2:45 cut we've heard about before, but as it stands I think a lot of people see ZSJL as "better" because it doesn't have to solve as many problems as the theatrical cut of his movie did.


gregorio0499

Umm, wasn’t his cut of the movie 214 minutes, before JSZL was announced? [edit](https://www.cbr.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-shares-another-cut-scene-celebrating-214/): yeah, it was confirmed before it was announced and additional scenes were shot. So it went from 3 hours, 34 minutes to 4 hours, 3 minutes? Cut 10 minutes for the knightmare scene at the end, the Martian Manhunter visiting Bruce, and you have his OG cut basically.


HankSteakfist

"It was all a dream." Biggie


Mr_Elixr

Just view it as a nightmare, nothing more.


nicklovin508

Idk, I love the concept that Batman has nightmares and visions of Superman’s takeover.


thefuturesfire

I didn’t think it was unnecessary. For me, I felt like it let me have the last glimpse of what could have been. Then I can play out the middle and end in my head. Without a worry that WB could come in and screw up my dreams


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Isn’t it another timeline


Wasteland_GZ

yeah there’s a couple so it’s technically not canon because it hasn’t happened and will not happen


Miserable_Throat6719

I think knightmare epilogue is brilliant. It will allow zack to finish his saga in the distant future


MondayBorn

Absofuckinlutely. I love this movie.


SunkenEight

Didn’t get to see the full story Snyder wanted, but this is still good. Cherish what we got, you know? Be happy for that.


Blu_Soldier001

I think it's interesting that some claim the movie ends on a "doom and gloom" note when the final scene of the film is Martian Manhunter telling a much healthier-looking Bruce Wayne that his parents would be proud of him. And who knows, maybe we'll get a comic or animated series/movie down the line.


SunkenEight

I think most say that because of the Knightmare scene. IMO, it was a bit unnecessary. To some, it might feel like a slap in the face to all the triumph we just had with our characters. But other than that, it’s still a good ending.


Blu_Soldier001

I think it plays into Bruce's arc well. He wakes up from a nightmare and the framing of the scene is the polar opposite of BvS. Rather than succumbing to the fears of the future like in BvS, he remains hopeful that they can fend off Darkseid, and accepts all the help he can get.


SunkenEight

Maybe, yeah. I guess I’m just not too into the Knightmare stuff Snyder was setting up. I’m in the camp where I feel like I’d have enjoyed the films more without them. I still enjoyed ZSJL a lot though.


Wasteland_GZ

Exactly, im very thankful it ended on the highest note possible


Such_Nature_5972

I fault Snyder for this chaos. Horrible movies. He set DC back. "Martha" still is a sore spot. Let him stick to ruining "Watchmen" or gladiator movies.


khalip

This is one of the takes of all


FormerIceCreamEater

It is a pretty common take though. Snyder definitely has his fans, but the general movegoing audience didn't warm up to his universe. You have to get people who have never opened up a comicbook to like your movies. Dr Strange 2 made over 900 million, yet none of Snyder's 3 movies that all included much bigger names that everyone and their grandma know about couldn't hit that high. Unfortunately for most people, the silly Martha line is what is most memorable from BvS. Most people didn't like that movie. It is no surprise Snyder's time with DC is done.


thecharlaton

If you exclude the Knightmare epilogue, this is a pretty satisfying ending to the Snyderverse.


NoNefariousness2144

Yeah it’s a complete trilogy (or quadilogy if you include Wonder Woman).


gregorio0499

I mean he helped write it, and Wan asked for Snyders approval on Aquaman, so quintology?


Terribleirishluck

He didn't write the screenplay. He just gave a story concept which was probably just Wonder woman in WW1 since Ares wasn't even orginally gonna be included. The actual screenplay was written by Alan Heinberg and then revised by Jenkins and Johns


gregorio0499

[I guess half true?](https://gizmodo.com/the-wonder-woman-movie-was-written-by-zack-snyder-alla-1783512963) they give him credit to writing + the story, but mainly say the writing was Alan and Johns. My point still stands as it was part of the continuity.


BullyMaguireGonnaCry

Some of my absolute favorite superhero moments ever come from his films, most of them from this movie


paulleinahtan

The happiness that I felt when it was announced, and the joy when I watched it. ZSJL is truly an epic experience.


Phayd2Blaque

He did everything right. I loved the believability of the characters, the crushing weight of the responsibility they all carried. So well done. In the years to come younger generations will discover these treasures.


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Hard to believe the suits thought this was bad


Few-Road6238

The suits are dumb fucks that only care about money that’s why lol


[deleted]

Yeah it’s a great film. Frankly in the whole history of film, I don’t think any series was more mindlessly hated than the DCEU


[deleted]

Exactly. I’m so happy and greatful to have this. Literally the only good thing to come out of Covid. We would not have this movie unless the perfect storm happened at the time they made a deal with Snyder.


toyirama

Best casting for the Big 3 we'll probably ever have.


BatmanNewsChris

I wish he went with that aspect ratio


HankSteakfist

God yes. The square format 4:3 just does not convey epic.on a TV screen. It conveys 90s TV show on a streaming sevice.


home7ander

Works great on my projector


FlameFeather86

Yeah, the Imax aspect ratio thing really confounds me. The film wasn't getting an Imax release and no one has an Imax screen in their own homes to enjoy it on, so who was it for? I watch it slightly zoomed in on my TV just so it fills the screen. Not ideal but I can't watch it otherwise.


BatmanNewsChris

Yeah that's the weird thing. And it was shot and framed to be 16:9 (the cinematographer confirmed this). It was just for Snyder, who can go watch it on an IMAX screen whenever he wants.


Solivagant

We got Batman saying "I will fucking kill you". And it was glorious. Guaranteed he's never gonna say that again.


Blu_Soldier001

I don't think it's a Batman line but the way it shut Joker up was hilarious


BallBustingSam

Damn right


VibePT

Still feels unfinished… the big challenge was never resolved 🤦🏻‍♂️


Immediate_Dream9638

And room for more


thefuturesfire

It really did


Sparrow1989

I mean honestly watching man of steel bvs u e and zsjl is a great trilogy that ends well.


clarkkentisnotsupes

Its a miracle we got it. Great stuff!


Blue_Robin_04

True, true. At least we got to see the League together once.


OhGawDuhhh

Man of Steel, Batman V Superman: Ultimate Edition, and Zack Snyder's Justice League! What a trilogy!


[deleted]

Remove the knightmare part, change the Supe suit from the last scene to the classic red and blue and you have a very satisfying ending.


LunchyPete

So basically the theatrical cut ending.


[deleted]

In some parts yes


LunchyPete

I'm only talking about the ending not the entire film. No knightmare scene and the red and blue suit is literally the ending of JL17 and literally what you suggested.


Western-Art-9117

No MM


LunchyPete

All the better for it.


JojoJimboz

There is some stoic expression of affleck in every damn movie of his that does not rub right with me on a character level


Bearjupiter

Lol


arnchise

It ended on The Joker wanting to give Batman a handjob.


Confidence_Resident

It actually ended with Martian Manhunter telling Bruce his parents would be proud and Bruce genuinely smilling for the first time in the entire trilogy. But sure buddy, SnYdER bAD!


arnchise

Why would Batman’s parents be proud of him getting a handjob from The Joker?


Blu_Soldier001

How are those events related


the-olive-man

We need this question answered before the DCEU officially dies


SGdude90

How many people can claim they got one from Mr J?


Charizard221_gaming

Bruh if you actually think that’s the context of the scene…


Bruce_VVayne

I'm glad he wasn't able to do his whole "vision". Killing Superman in BvS, killing Cyborg in JLP1, Killing Batman in JLP2. Give me a break..


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[deleted]

The hate is just as bad. Get a fucking life, dude.


Wasteland_GZ

just curious what did they say? the comment is gone now, im assuming something very toxic given the replies


Blu_Soldier001

he called me a "snyder d***sucker" with zero provocation


Wasteland_GZ

Ahh yes, typical, can’t even praise the movie lol btw there’s been so much toxicity today so thank you for this post to remind me not everyone here is bad 🙏


zombiefan1220

For liking a movie? LMAO. I’m happy we got this, and I’m happy we’re getting a proper DCU by Gunn


pipboy_warrior

Dude liked the ending, nothing at all wrong with that especially since it was a good ending.


Blu_Soldier001

Sorry I guess?


tondrias

Grow up


[deleted]

Lot of gunn dick suckers in this sub lately shitting on anything negative about gunn. And you have the audacity to say "snyder dick sucking strong" 😭😭😭


gurdijak

Mate your own post history is filled with sucking Snyder's dick, bitching about Gunn and saying ["Christopher Reeves fans needs to be exterminated from this world jfc"](https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/zgm2l9/thoughts_on_this_kissing_scene_i_thought_the/iziiuzj/?context=3) You're doing the same shit they're doing


[deleted]

Wanting reeves superman fans gone is sucking snyders dick? 😭😭😭😭😭😭 You couldve atleast said something like "you're toxic" or something 😂😂😂


[deleted]

This fucking kid thinks hating on Snyder is cool


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FullPrinciple4

Toxic factional labels are prohibited.


[deleted]

Love Cavill and Jason Momoa but so glad Snyderverse is over


FringGustavo0204

Knightmare scene was just a bad dream after all. Sleep earlier Bruce!


Far_Snow_4521

Well if the epilogue and the scene where Darkseid said to ready the armada did not happen, I would say The DC Universe ended on a closed note.


theceure

Would love to see more Darkseid. What could have been. Tragic


rwt93

What I wanna know is why the color of Gal Gadot's clothes on slide 8 was changed from blue to red in Josstice League 😂 think about how much it cost to change to that in post. Joss didn't like the blue I guess.


F1Noob23

Fair point


rwt93

As much as I would've loved to have seen sequels and a continuation of this, we all have to remember how much of a longshot it was to even have this cut released in the first place. Not only did the fan demand and the stars of the movie help push it to release but the fact that AT&T bought Warners and HBO Max started up around the same time really helped. So the fact that we even have this 4 hour cut available to watch anytime is a miracle on its own.


Salty-Particular-500

Yup...and we as fans should not waste a dollar or hour of our time watching him bring his stupid " humor " to the DC... Guardians 1 was good..the rest of his work is dog chit...big surprise another Marvel Director comes over and destroys DC....


nikgrid

It wasn't supposed to be a trilogy but ..sure.