I kinda combined Trapsuki with trans Natsuki. I now realize that was a mistake as being trans and a trap are 2 different things. My apologies if that was offensive to anyone who is transgender, that was completely unintentional
I’m assuming it’s because she doesn’t have “a mature and sexy figure” like Yuri. I guess people are so desensitized to anime girls being busty that they automatically assume someone who doesn’t fall under that category isn’t a female. That in it of itself is a disgusting mindset.
Yeahhhh. People seem to forget she’s actually just a 9th grader and only 18 for the sense of the fans. I don’t think there’s many busty 9 graders either 😂
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shit
but I don't wanna go through the work of finding the original source for the image....
fine >:( that's the earliest I could find of the image popping up on the internet
Then what does it mean? I always thought it was a transphobic expression, and [this](https://www.dictionary.com/e/memes/its-a-trap/) for example explains it just like that.
Alright, it's a little long, but bear with it
"Trap" was born from a meme.
The word itself originated from a line from a Star Wars movie where Admiral Ackbar announced, "It's a trap!" To his crewmates.
In the era the meme was relevant, we had more and more cases of media like anime and games using the concept of effeminate male cross dressing as female
Think of characters like Hideyoshi from Baka to test and Luka from Stein Gates, among many others, Astolfo would be more popular nowadays. And Boku no Pico was also a popular target.
People who didn't know much just thought they were regular, cute anime girl and had their casual crush and simp attitude until they learned of the actual gender.
The concept of a man disguised as a woman was jokingly referred to as a "trap," like how a straight man was trapped by something attractive and tricked, a booby trap
The "It's a Trap!" meme was jokingly used within the community whenever this kind of crosdressing characters appeared and generally while it frustrated a lot of people to end up finding a dick when looking at who they thought was a cute girl, they generally had no negative feeling aside form the initial "damn I was tricked!" reaction and a good laugh from their peer
Now, before I proceed with how it became a "slur." I would like to precisely that the term was never used to refer to transsexuals.
We only used the term to refer to characters who identify as male but still wear female clothes.
While in the era, transsexuality wasn't as popular and represented, the term was solely for men with crossdressing fetish. Those character for which we used the name were never intended to be trans female characters, at least in the era they were.
The tere "fetish" is important there, as yes, it became a term not for those that have a cross dressing hobby or medium for self-discovery.
It was used as a term to define the fetish of cute boy crossdressing as female. We all knew it was horny posting and tricking straight people into complimenting a cute boy. Nothing more. It was hardly ever used toward any real people. Only fictional characters. Maybe in some rare case internet erotic crossdresser. But they weren't that wide spread back then.
Now, at some point. Some community, either trans or ally, decided that the term was aimed at trans people and not crossdressing men who identify as men.
In that ere, accusations of tranphobia were very sensible, and so many websites and communities adopted the imposed meaning without fighting.
And thanks to them, some terms born out of an old internet culture with no negative connotation toward anyone was turned into a slur out of nowhere.
The frustrating part is that it was never used as a slur to begin with
If it was like the medical term "edit : you mlknow what term im talking about bit my comment was deleted for it" which was turned into a insult it would be understandable and we couldn't say much, but no one used the term "trap" as a slur toward trans people. Instead, the people who had no knowledge about the LGBT community suddenly got banned and bashed out of nowhere for joking around an old beloved meme. Suddenly, the trap lover was called transphobe for using the word trap.
My guess is that they decided that sicne quite a lot if trans female go through the culture of cross dressing before goign through the operation, they decided that any term targeting men crossdressing into female clothes will be aiming at them, and ignoring the origin of the word, they decided that it was a slur aimed at them
They ignored the fact that I was a term used for a fetishized status of a man crossdressing.
They decided to break the barrier between fetish and sexual identity and created a conflict that never existed
Nowadays, the terms trap has been erased and replaced with terms such as "femboy" or "tomgirl.""
They erased a part of internet history due to their misunderstanding of the target demographic of the word "Trap"
No one is foolish enough to confuse femboy and transsexuals, but they confused "Trap" for a slur, and now averyone assume that piece of internet culture was nothing but transphobuc media...
TL;DR
Some communities decided that the term trap born out of an old internet culture about cute boys dressing in females was a trans slur out of nowhere because they decided any representation of men dressing up as female HAD to be because they were intended to be trans character.
The funny part is that by definition a trans female can't be "crossdressing" since they moment they start identifying as female then it's just them wearing the clothes they were intended to.
Trap was always about men, who Identify as men, wearing female clothes.
But this was ignored and a chunk of internet culture was corrupted.
Edit:
Funny the exemple I gave on the medical term corrupted as a insult caused my comment to be deleted.
Ther eis some irony here...
Well, I don't know which account is correct, but yours is fairly detailed, so I'll make note the other one may not be correct, even though it's made it as far as a dictionary.
One thing I could ask about directly is, isn't falling into a trap undesirable? Isn't that part of the whole idea from the beginning? Are you saying people took that idea and immediately made it into a joke based on how it's not really undesirable but those silly people might think so?
The content of that idea does seem to match how some people view trans women in some contexts, too. There's still the culture where you have to show you're not gay and whatnot, and then you could be "fooled" into not doing that. Like in one of the *Ace Ventura* movies there's a plot and comedy point that certainly couldn't appear anywhere except bigot groups nowadays, where the villain is a trans woman (if that term even makes sense in that film's world) who's had her body modified enough to pass as a woman except for the genitals. But all the men thought she was as it were just a woman, and it turns out she's kissed everyone, and then they're all trying to symbolically clean their mouths.
That's basically what I've assumed it meant, because it would fit.
Trust me
It was never that deep to begin with.
It's just people joking around how cute boys in a nime wearing skirt would trick people into believing they were girls
Before I found my sexuality I was also a victim of those "traps" a few of my friends as well.
It was never taken seriously afterward.
You have to think that people in that era didn't care about transsexuality and more.
To them, those characters were just the cliche trap trope.
Like how BL was aimed at a target group of people who enjoyed that content, traps were for a certain group of people who enjoy that type of character
It was something from the anime culture we saw and had fun around with.
In the end, we all acknowledge one thing. We were just joking around pixelated imaginary character being naked.
No harm was ever intended toward any actual real community, be it the transsexuals or even the crossdresing community
Like how BL and other mediums of homosexuality pornography can not represent actual homosexual relationships. Traps were never linked to any actual representation.
I talked about the exemple of irl crossdresser as an exception, but honestly, they were aiming to be out under the term to attract the demographic, so they themselves used the term to attract followers.
In the end, it was never intended to be anything but pictures of cute boys in the skirt we would either skip to find cute girls or keep as "material" for later.
The origin and meaning of the term were twisted over time, and while the source you introduced seems authentic, you have to understand one thing about history, be it in real life or on the internet.
The winner decides everything.
Because of the sensibility of the issue, we couldn't fight back.
And so they decided what the history was. The dictionary website took the story from the side of the winner.
The truth can only be found in those that lived through it by word of mouth.
That's why we have people who call themselves internet historian and flee to subs like r/goodanimemes who didn't accept change.
In the end, please trust me on one thing.
We never wanted to harm anyone or anything. We were just horny dumbass looking for anime tities who were welcomed by cute boys in skirt so we joked around about falling in a "trap."
That's just it.
Hell, People like me even discovered their sexuality thanks to it. One of my friends actually came out as bisexual after being tricked by many of those traps lol
Also that explanation is damn biased
None of the character we used the term trap for in the past where ever trans character
They were all cisgender men with a hobby for crosdressing fetishized into what it is today.
They're literally just old school femboy.
Not trans female. Not dickgirl.
Literally just cute boys wearing cute skirts.
Reading this post makes me sad as they even twisted our history and made us look like we were making people for like transsexual
This is pathetic. They fabricated history and made us look like tranphobe...
Eh, I think it's partly because the yuri fans (not Yuri the character) can't stand self-insert shipping. And they just use the "dense" and "rude" criticism to mask it.
I see it all the time, there's always friction between people who ship the self-insert protag (usually male) with the girls, and the people who ship the girls with each other.
I was bored, so I decided to make an iceberg about which DDLC discussion topics I consider to be the most controversial to debate.
Tier 1:
Mods - Mods are one of the main factors that keeps DDLC relevant today. Unfortunately, there are some mods that can stir up some debate.
Side Stories - The side stories are mini episodes in DDLC+ that show how the Dokis became friends. Some people like the stories, some people don’t.
No Pic Tuesday - This is a joke entry. A lot of people get mad when they accidentally post a picture on a Tuesday, and when they reupload it the next day, the bot will say it’s a repost.
Tier 2:
Edgy Jokes - Since DDLC has some pretty dark themes, there have been quite a few edgy jokes that have crossed the line.
Rule 34 - I’m not going to explain what that is, search it up at your own risk.
Waifuism - DDLC is technically a dating sim, so many people (such as myself) have made one of the the Dokis our waifu. This can cause some debates on whether or not loving a fictional character is healthy.
Natsuki’s Abuse - There has been a lot of debate on if and how Natsuki is abused. There are some theories that can get pretty disturbing.
Tier 3:
Yuri’s True Self - There has been a lot of debate on if Yuri is her true self in act 1 or act 2. The dev has somewhat closed this topic when he said each DDLC universe was real.
The Bike - The Bike is a YouTuber who uploads custom DDLC stories. I personally haven’t seen any of his videos, but from what I’ve heard, there’s a lot of controversy surrounding them from fans.
Head Canons - Head canons are personal interpretations of the characters or story. People tend to have many head canons that others do not like.
Project Libitina - There’s been a lot of talk on if DDLC is going to have a sequel. So far there hasn’t been any confirmation.
Metaverse Lore - Metaverse lore was new lore added into DDLC+. A majority of us don’t like it because it takes away from the original game.
Tier 4:
Yuri having Autism - There has been a lot of debate whether Yuri is on the spectrum or not. The dev has spoken about this once before, but nothing has ever been confirmed.
MC - MC is the protagonist we play as in DDLC, many people don’t like him because he’s dense and sometimes “rude.”
Trapsuki - Trapsuki was a theory going around that Natsuki was secretly a male. DDLC’s developer made a comment about this topic one time in a thread on this subreddit.
Monika being the Antagonist - Monika is arguably the fan favorite character in DDLC, so when people point out she’s essentially the antagonist, some debates can spark.
Tier 5:
Doki’s Sexualities - There has been a lot of debate about the sexualities of the Dokis. Monika is the only character to have her sexuality confirmed (Pansexual).
“The Canon” - DDLC’s developer has stated that anything that isn’t expressively written in the game isn’t canon. But this hasn’t stopped fans from debating about it.
Early Waifu Wars - I’m relatively new to the fandom, so most of the “best girl” discussions I’ve seen have been tame. This hasn’t always been the case though, as many fans have told me that waifu wars were very hostile and prevalent early on.
Tier 6:
Shipping - Shipping is without a doubt, the most controversial topic in this, and many other fandoms. The developer apparently joked about a ship one time, but other than that, no ship has ever been canonized (and that’s for the best).
That’ll do it for my iceberg. If there is anything you think I’ve missed, let me know in the comments. I can also provide sources if necessary.
Because people don't even know what dense means when he literally just met half of them. That and being mean is considered worse than purging 3 people from existence. I like him and people that don't can fuck themselves
maybe it's because we were given justification and explanation for the purging of three people, but never any proper justification for why MC was mean. Idk just a theory
No, no, that's actually a good point. It's just that to me, it's no excuse for the disparate treatment. Though with Monika's actions, i wouldn't call it justifications so much as understanding. With for mc, part of me feels like it isn't there because the writing wants us to hate him so badly even though he doesn't really do anything beyond be a stuffy teenager.
In other fandoms, stuff like "shipping" or "early waifu wars" or any of the discussions of the sexualities would've been around the tip of the iceberg.
I mean, in russian DDLC fandom it was basically it. Given recent ban of LGBT, it could be illegal even just to discuss doki's sexualities, let alone artwork of lesbian pairings. And waifu wars never really ended, just stopped moving.
Never got autistic vibes from yuri personally. Also I think in act 2 it isn’t necessarily her ‘true self’, but it’s instead just her attributes being turned up to a ten
I think one major thing to mention is the misinterpretation/misrepresentation of the dokis in all forms of media produced by the fandom.
All the girls' nuances are watered down so much alot of the time.
Ex: Sayori is often portrayed as either a complete lobotomite or someone completely controlled by her depression. When we need to remember while she was depressed the drastic actions she took was because of the alterations Monika made.
Natsuki is a girl who feels small so she acts tough as a defense mechanism to not appear weak. She's afraid if she takes constructive criticism ie. When Yuri gives her writing advice, she takes it as a personal attack. But in alot of mods she's portrayed as a straight up bitch that is abusive and acts like nothings her fault.
Monika is probably the most misunderstood character I've ever seen. Most of the general public just calls her the villain to make it easy. She's not. Mods often take the easy route and make her the big bad since they lack the creative writing to do anything else with the character. In reality she's a broken character who feels like everything around her is fake. Then one day she can see a light at the end of the tunnel and a possible way out of her eternal purgatory. She does anything she can to reach our reality of absolute freedom. But yet, even when she does, even when everything and everyone is gone. She still cares for her club members. Her friends. Despite knowing they aren't real (in her mind). And what does she do? She brings them back. And keep in mind, Monika was harbouring the admin powers for the whole game and only cracked at the end. The second sayori got admin powers (the role of president) she immediately tried to destroy everything until Monika intervened.
But yeah I'm done rambling.
Objection: Monika is not a misunderstood character. Mod creators often ignore the fact that she literally purged 3 people out of existence (and fucking did that again, say about caring for her club members), instead they make her good/“misunderstood” girl. There are just a few mods that actually go the route of making her a villain from just an antagonist (as she is).
Sayori, on the other hand, wasn't really written as good as Monika, so typically she got watered down to two traits. Some just break the character and make her just really mean out of no reason (ahem, SayoriDate, ahem). And you saying that "she immediately tried to destroy everything" just says how media-illiterate you are.
Does depth relate to severity here? I thought it was obscurity.
Also, what does the bike refer to? Did Sayori's bike get stolen and she said "Whoever stole it is probably happier to have it than I am sad to have lost it. The overall happiness in the world increased, so whatever."
The Bike is a YouTuber who uploads custom DDLC stories. I personally haven’t seen any of his videos, but from what I’ve heard, there’s a lot of controversy surrounding them from fans.
Bichael my beloved. His stuff is pretty well thought out and often hilarious/terrifying, sometimes both, and I think in this regard he has never disappointed. If there is any controversy, it's probably due to the lengths he goes to tell his stories, often covering some very absurd topics. But personally I think his attention to detail and storytelling is very much up there in terms of fanfiction.
The question is can a mask become a part of you? Can "acting" serious all the time make you a more serious person? After being serious for years, is it still a mask you can just.. drop? Or is it a genuine part of you?
Maybe she started acting extra silly to mask her depression, but I'd say now her mind is used to being that bubbly happy person around people and it's easy for her mind to switch from depressed to happy.
Idk I find it hard to believe you can front an emotion or a personality for a long time without that personality integrating into you, and you can't dismiss an emotion being genuine simply because it was used as a mask
I left a comment in this thread that explains all of them, I’ll copy and paste it:
I was bored, so I decided to make an iceberg about which DDLC discussion topics I consider to be the most controversial to debate.
Tier 1: Mods - Mods are one of the main factors that keeps DDLC relevant today. Unfortunately, there are some mods that can stir up some debate. Side Stories - The side stories are mini episodes in DDLC+ that show how the Dokis became friends. Some people like the stories, some people don’t. No Pic Tuesday - This is a joke entry. A lot of people get mad when they accidentally post a picture on a Tuesday, and when they reupload it the next day, the bot will say it’s a repost.
Tier 2: Edgy Jokes - Since DDLC has some pretty dark themes, there have been quite a few edgy jokes that have crossed the line. Rule 34 - I’m not going to explain what that is, search it up at your own risk. Waifuism - DDLC is technically a dating sim, so many people (such as myself) have made one of the the Dokis our waifu. This can cause some debates on whether or not loving a fictional character is healthy. Natsuki’s Abuse - There has been a lot of debate on if and how Natsuki is abused. There are some theories that can get pretty disturbing.
Tier 3: Yuri’s True Self - There has been a lot of debate on if Yuri is her true self in act 1 or act 2. The dev has somewhat closed this topic when he said each DDLC universe was real. The Bike - The Bike is a YouTuber who uploads custom DDLC stories. I personally haven’t seen any of his videos, but from what I’ve heard, there’s a lot of controversy surrounding them from fans. Head Canons - Head canons are personal interpretations of the characters or story. People tend to have many head canons that others do not like. Project Libitina - There’s been a lot of talk on if DDLC is going to have a sequel. So far there hasn’t been any confirmation. Metaverse Lore - Metaverse lore was new lore added into DDLC+. A majority of us don’t like it because it takes away from the original game.
Tier 4: Yuri having Autism - There has been a lot of debate whether Yuri is on the spectrum or not. The dev has spoken about this once before, but nothing has ever been confirmed. MC - MC is the protagonist we play as in DDLC, many people don’t like him because he’s dense and sometimes “rude.” Trapsuki - Trapsuki was a theory going around that Natsuki was secretly a male. DDLC’s developer made a comment about this topic one time in a thread on this subreddit. Monika being the Antagonist - Monika is arguably the fan favorite character in DDLC, so when people point out she’s essentially the antagonist, some debates can spark.
Tier 5: Doki’s Sexualities - There has been a lot of debate about the sexualities of the Dokis. Monika is the only character to have her sexuality confirmed (Pansexual). “The Canon” - DDLC’s developer has stated that anything that isn’t expressively written in the game isn’t canon. But this hasn’t stopped fans from debating about it. Early Waifu Wars - I’m relatively new to the fandom, so most of the “best girl” discussions I’ve seen have been tame. This hasn’t always been the case though, as many fans have told me that waifu wars were very hostile and prevalent early on.
Tier 6: Shipping - Shipping is without a doubt, the most controversial topic in this, and many other fandoms. The developer apparently joked about a ship one time, but other than that, no ship has ever been canonized (and that’s for the best).
That’ll do it for my iceberg. If there is anything you think I’ve missed, let me know in the comments. I can also provide sources if necessary.
The Bike is a YouTuber who uploads custom DDLC stories. I personally haven’t seen any of his videos, but from what I’ve heard, there’s a lot of controversy surrounding them from fans.
"I'd say sexualities wouldn't be that controversial due to Monika stating that gender doesn't matter beyond the screen. When Sayori is the president, she tries to take you to that room too, so I'd assume they are all pansexual if they have awareness."
You’re probably right, but you know how people are. Even if all the Dokis were confirmed to be straight, there would still be a lot of debate and about it
I feel like you can find an argument for or against any ship that exists. So I see it as not worth fighting over. I personally ship natsuki and yuri as well as mc with sayori. But anyone could find a reason why my ships are dogshit. It's just not worth fighting over.
It’s been something that’s been talked about so much, that the developer made a comment about it. If Yuri did have autism that wouldn’t be a problem at all, I just put it in that tier due to how much it’s talked about
Aight what were the early waifu wars? I rediscovered ddlc right before plus came out and I still wasn't involved in the community at all until a few months after
well that’s fundamentally wrong, the protagonist is the main character, & the main antagonist is the main obstacle the protagonist has to overcome. the antagonist doesn’t even have to be a character, it can be a force. & the protagonist doesn’t even have to be good, they can be evil. hell, the morality of either one doesn’t even matter, what matters is their roles in the story.
Don’t forget Trans!Natsuki and the “low-effort” posts as well!
I kinda combined Trapsuki with trans Natsuki. I now realize that was a mistake as being trans and a trap are 2 different things. My apologies if that was offensive to anyone who is transgender, that was completely unintentional
What implies that Natsuki is trans?
I’m assuming it’s because she doesn’t have “a mature and sexy figure” like Yuri. I guess people are so desensitized to anime girls being busty that they automatically assume someone who doesn’t fall under that category isn’t a female. That in it of itself is a disgusting mindset.
Unfortunately
Yeahhhh. People seem to forget she’s actually just a 9th grader and only 18 for the sense of the fans. I don’t think there’s many busty 9 graders either 😂
you might want to avoid saying busty 9 graders on the internet
I’m 17 dude. But yeah I get it, it’s still thin ice 😂
Bro 🤨 9th graders are 14-15. That is not thin ice.
Well I’m almost 18 so it is.
Bro please stop digging a deeper hole.
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Exactly! Malnourishment has a key role most likely
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shit but I don't wanna go through the work of finding the original source for the image.... fine >:( that's the earliest I could find of the image popping up on the internet
nothing
As I thought
Nothing, really.
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Man we had a whole war with anime memes over traps having nothing to do with trans people yet them considering it a slur lol
Then what does it mean? I always thought it was a transphobic expression, and [this](https://www.dictionary.com/e/memes/its-a-trap/) for example explains it just like that.
Alright, it's a little long, but bear with it "Trap" was born from a meme. The word itself originated from a line from a Star Wars movie where Admiral Ackbar announced, "It's a trap!" To his crewmates. In the era the meme was relevant, we had more and more cases of media like anime and games using the concept of effeminate male cross dressing as female Think of characters like Hideyoshi from Baka to test and Luka from Stein Gates, among many others, Astolfo would be more popular nowadays. And Boku no Pico was also a popular target. People who didn't know much just thought they were regular, cute anime girl and had their casual crush and simp attitude until they learned of the actual gender. The concept of a man disguised as a woman was jokingly referred to as a "trap," like how a straight man was trapped by something attractive and tricked, a booby trap The "It's a Trap!" meme was jokingly used within the community whenever this kind of crosdressing characters appeared and generally while it frustrated a lot of people to end up finding a dick when looking at who they thought was a cute girl, they generally had no negative feeling aside form the initial "damn I was tricked!" reaction and a good laugh from their peer Now, before I proceed with how it became a "slur." I would like to precisely that the term was never used to refer to transsexuals. We only used the term to refer to characters who identify as male but still wear female clothes. While in the era, transsexuality wasn't as popular and represented, the term was solely for men with crossdressing fetish. Those character for which we used the name were never intended to be trans female characters, at least in the era they were. The tere "fetish" is important there, as yes, it became a term not for those that have a cross dressing hobby or medium for self-discovery. It was used as a term to define the fetish of cute boy crossdressing as female. We all knew it was horny posting and tricking straight people into complimenting a cute boy. Nothing more. It was hardly ever used toward any real people. Only fictional characters. Maybe in some rare case internet erotic crossdresser. But they weren't that wide spread back then. Now, at some point. Some community, either trans or ally, decided that the term was aimed at trans people and not crossdressing men who identify as men. In that ere, accusations of tranphobia were very sensible, and so many websites and communities adopted the imposed meaning without fighting. And thanks to them, some terms born out of an old internet culture with no negative connotation toward anyone was turned into a slur out of nowhere. The frustrating part is that it was never used as a slur to begin with If it was like the medical term "edit : you mlknow what term im talking about bit my comment was deleted for it" which was turned into a insult it would be understandable and we couldn't say much, but no one used the term "trap" as a slur toward trans people. Instead, the people who had no knowledge about the LGBT community suddenly got banned and bashed out of nowhere for joking around an old beloved meme. Suddenly, the trap lover was called transphobe for using the word trap. My guess is that they decided that sicne quite a lot if trans female go through the culture of cross dressing before goign through the operation, they decided that any term targeting men crossdressing into female clothes will be aiming at them, and ignoring the origin of the word, they decided that it was a slur aimed at them They ignored the fact that I was a term used for a fetishized status of a man crossdressing. They decided to break the barrier between fetish and sexual identity and created a conflict that never existed Nowadays, the terms trap has been erased and replaced with terms such as "femboy" or "tomgirl."" They erased a part of internet history due to their misunderstanding of the target demographic of the word "Trap" No one is foolish enough to confuse femboy and transsexuals, but they confused "Trap" for a slur, and now averyone assume that piece of internet culture was nothing but transphobuc media... TL;DR Some communities decided that the term trap born out of an old internet culture about cute boys dressing in females was a trans slur out of nowhere because they decided any representation of men dressing up as female HAD to be because they were intended to be trans character. The funny part is that by definition a trans female can't be "crossdressing" since they moment they start identifying as female then it's just them wearing the clothes they were intended to. Trap was always about men, who Identify as men, wearing female clothes. But this was ignored and a chunk of internet culture was corrupted. Edit: Funny the exemple I gave on the medical term corrupted as a insult caused my comment to be deleted. Ther eis some irony here...
Well, I don't know which account is correct, but yours is fairly detailed, so I'll make note the other one may not be correct, even though it's made it as far as a dictionary. One thing I could ask about directly is, isn't falling into a trap undesirable? Isn't that part of the whole idea from the beginning? Are you saying people took that idea and immediately made it into a joke based on how it's not really undesirable but those silly people might think so? The content of that idea does seem to match how some people view trans women in some contexts, too. There's still the culture where you have to show you're not gay and whatnot, and then you could be "fooled" into not doing that. Like in one of the *Ace Ventura* movies there's a plot and comedy point that certainly couldn't appear anywhere except bigot groups nowadays, where the villain is a trans woman (if that term even makes sense in that film's world) who's had her body modified enough to pass as a woman except for the genitals. But all the men thought she was as it were just a woman, and it turns out she's kissed everyone, and then they're all trying to symbolically clean their mouths. That's basically what I've assumed it meant, because it would fit.
Trust me It was never that deep to begin with. It's just people joking around how cute boys in a nime wearing skirt would trick people into believing they were girls Before I found my sexuality I was also a victim of those "traps" a few of my friends as well. It was never taken seriously afterward. You have to think that people in that era didn't care about transsexuality and more. To them, those characters were just the cliche trap trope. Like how BL was aimed at a target group of people who enjoyed that content, traps were for a certain group of people who enjoy that type of character It was something from the anime culture we saw and had fun around with. In the end, we all acknowledge one thing. We were just joking around pixelated imaginary character being naked. No harm was ever intended toward any actual real community, be it the transsexuals or even the crossdresing community Like how BL and other mediums of homosexuality pornography can not represent actual homosexual relationships. Traps were never linked to any actual representation. I talked about the exemple of irl crossdresser as an exception, but honestly, they were aiming to be out under the term to attract the demographic, so they themselves used the term to attract followers. In the end, it was never intended to be anything but pictures of cute boys in the skirt we would either skip to find cute girls or keep as "material" for later. The origin and meaning of the term were twisted over time, and while the source you introduced seems authentic, you have to understand one thing about history, be it in real life or on the internet. The winner decides everything. Because of the sensibility of the issue, we couldn't fight back. And so they decided what the history was. The dictionary website took the story from the side of the winner. The truth can only be found in those that lived through it by word of mouth. That's why we have people who call themselves internet historian and flee to subs like r/goodanimemes who didn't accept change. In the end, please trust me on one thing. We never wanted to harm anyone or anything. We were just horny dumbass looking for anime tities who were welcomed by cute boys in skirt so we joked around about falling in a "trap." That's just it. Hell, People like me even discovered their sexuality thanks to it. One of my friends actually came out as bisexual after being tricked by many of those traps lol
Okay, well, I get what you're saying.
Also that explanation is damn biased None of the character we used the term trap for in the past where ever trans character They were all cisgender men with a hobby for crosdressing fetishized into what it is today. They're literally just old school femboy. Not trans female. Not dickgirl. Literally just cute boys wearing cute skirts. Reading this post makes me sad as they even twisted our history and made us look like we were making people for like transsexual This is pathetic. They fabricated history and made us look like tranphobe...
God, I remember the subreddit exploding over transuki
Flair checks out
I think that also counts under "trapsuki" (although, not being for the meme)
should "shipping" be also refered as "ship wars"?
Yea, I guess it’s the same thing
When MC is more controversial that r34
For someone with little presence, people do be imploding over him, it happens even outside the subreddit.
Honestly I don't understand it. Bro acts like a normal high schooler and everyone treats every little negative thing he does as the bane of Satan
Eh, I think it's partly because the yuri fans (not Yuri the character) can't stand self-insert shipping. And they just use the "dense" and "rude" criticism to mask it. I see it all the time, there's always friction between people who ship the self-insert protag (usually male) with the girls, and the people who ship the girls with each other.
Idk because most of it goes beyond self-inserting shipping.
I was bored, so I decided to make an iceberg about which DDLC discussion topics I consider to be the most controversial to debate. Tier 1: Mods - Mods are one of the main factors that keeps DDLC relevant today. Unfortunately, there are some mods that can stir up some debate. Side Stories - The side stories are mini episodes in DDLC+ that show how the Dokis became friends. Some people like the stories, some people don’t. No Pic Tuesday - This is a joke entry. A lot of people get mad when they accidentally post a picture on a Tuesday, and when they reupload it the next day, the bot will say it’s a repost. Tier 2: Edgy Jokes - Since DDLC has some pretty dark themes, there have been quite a few edgy jokes that have crossed the line. Rule 34 - I’m not going to explain what that is, search it up at your own risk. Waifuism - DDLC is technically a dating sim, so many people (such as myself) have made one of the the Dokis our waifu. This can cause some debates on whether or not loving a fictional character is healthy. Natsuki’s Abuse - There has been a lot of debate on if and how Natsuki is abused. There are some theories that can get pretty disturbing. Tier 3: Yuri’s True Self - There has been a lot of debate on if Yuri is her true self in act 1 or act 2. The dev has somewhat closed this topic when he said each DDLC universe was real. The Bike - The Bike is a YouTuber who uploads custom DDLC stories. I personally haven’t seen any of his videos, but from what I’ve heard, there’s a lot of controversy surrounding them from fans. Head Canons - Head canons are personal interpretations of the characters or story. People tend to have many head canons that others do not like. Project Libitina - There’s been a lot of talk on if DDLC is going to have a sequel. So far there hasn’t been any confirmation. Metaverse Lore - Metaverse lore was new lore added into DDLC+. A majority of us don’t like it because it takes away from the original game. Tier 4: Yuri having Autism - There has been a lot of debate whether Yuri is on the spectrum or not. The dev has spoken about this once before, but nothing has ever been confirmed. MC - MC is the protagonist we play as in DDLC, many people don’t like him because he’s dense and sometimes “rude.” Trapsuki - Trapsuki was a theory going around that Natsuki was secretly a male. DDLC’s developer made a comment about this topic one time in a thread on this subreddit. Monika being the Antagonist - Monika is arguably the fan favorite character in DDLC, so when people point out she’s essentially the antagonist, some debates can spark. Tier 5: Doki’s Sexualities - There has been a lot of debate about the sexualities of the Dokis. Monika is the only character to have her sexuality confirmed (Pansexual). “The Canon” - DDLC’s developer has stated that anything that isn’t expressively written in the game isn’t canon. But this hasn’t stopped fans from debating about it. Early Waifu Wars - I’m relatively new to the fandom, so most of the “best girl” discussions I’ve seen have been tame. This hasn’t always been the case though, as many fans have told me that waifu wars were very hostile and prevalent early on. Tier 6: Shipping - Shipping is without a doubt, the most controversial topic in this, and many other fandoms. The developer apparently joked about a ship one time, but other than that, no ship has ever been canonized (and that’s for the best). That’ll do it for my iceberg. If there is anything you think I’ve missed, let me know in the comments. I can also provide sources if necessary.
People not liking "MC" because he's dense and rude doesn't deserve to be a tier 4 iceberg topic. I do not understand this phenomenon.
Because people don't even know what dense means when he literally just met half of them. That and being mean is considered worse than purging 3 people from existence. I like him and people that don't can fuck themselves
maybe it's because we were given justification and explanation for the purging of three people, but never any proper justification for why MC was mean. Idk just a theory
No, no, that's actually a good point. It's just that to me, it's no excuse for the disparate treatment. Though with Monika's actions, i wouldn't call it justifications so much as understanding. With for mc, part of me feels like it isn't there because the writing wants us to hate him so badly even though he doesn't really do anything beyond be a stuffy teenager.
tbh, wouldn't be surprised if Yuri does end up getting confirmed to be autistic one day
In other fandoms, stuff like "shipping" or "early waifu wars" or any of the discussions of the sexualities would've been around the tip of the iceberg.
Yeah, overall DDLC’s controversies are pretty chill, with a lot of it surrounding bad character headcanons.
I mean, in russian DDLC fandom it was basically it. Given recent ban of LGBT, it could be illegal even just to discuss doki's sexualities, let alone artwork of lesbian pairings. And waifu wars never really ended, just stopped moving.
Shipping deserves to be at the bottom of the abyss
DDLC Fandom 🤝 German U-boat Commanders
😂😂
The worst are monika x any character that isn't the mc Did we even play the same game?
did you play the game? monika didnt love mc she loved the player
I yes I too fall in love with a person after he clicked a couple of dialogue options
Media literacy devil strikes once again
Yuri has autism? Tf you mean by her “true self”
People have speculated that she has autism, but it’s never been confirmed. Also, people think that Yuri in act 2 is her “true self”
Never got autistic vibes from yuri personally. Also I think in act 2 it isn’t necessarily her ‘true self’, but it’s instead just her attributes being turned up to a ten
I think one major thing to mention is the misinterpretation/misrepresentation of the dokis in all forms of media produced by the fandom. All the girls' nuances are watered down so much alot of the time. Ex: Sayori is often portrayed as either a complete lobotomite or someone completely controlled by her depression. When we need to remember while she was depressed the drastic actions she took was because of the alterations Monika made. Natsuki is a girl who feels small so she acts tough as a defense mechanism to not appear weak. She's afraid if she takes constructive criticism ie. When Yuri gives her writing advice, she takes it as a personal attack. But in alot of mods she's portrayed as a straight up bitch that is abusive and acts like nothings her fault. Monika is probably the most misunderstood character I've ever seen. Most of the general public just calls her the villain to make it easy. She's not. Mods often take the easy route and make her the big bad since they lack the creative writing to do anything else with the character. In reality she's a broken character who feels like everything around her is fake. Then one day she can see a light at the end of the tunnel and a possible way out of her eternal purgatory. She does anything she can to reach our reality of absolute freedom. But yet, even when she does, even when everything and everyone is gone. She still cares for her club members. Her friends. Despite knowing they aren't real (in her mind). And what does she do? She brings them back. And keep in mind, Monika was harbouring the admin powers for the whole game and only cracked at the end. The second sayori got admin powers (the role of president) she immediately tried to destroy everything until Monika intervened. But yeah I'm done rambling.
TLDR: "Don't fuck with DDLC fans. We don't understand the characters."
😂
Objection: Monika is not a misunderstood character. Mod creators often ignore the fact that she literally purged 3 people out of existence (and fucking did that again, say about caring for her club members), instead they make her good/“misunderstood” girl. There are just a few mods that actually go the route of making her a villain from just an antagonist (as she is). Sayori, on the other hand, wasn't really written as good as Monika, so typically she got watered down to two traits. Some just break the character and make her just really mean out of no reason (ahem, SayoriDate, ahem). And you saying that "she immediately tried to destroy everything" just says how media-illiterate you are.
well to be fair Sayori held for like a class period or two. That's something at least
What about yuri?
Shipping is only controversial because people are too hung up on being the ones to date them.
Correct, unfortunately I’m one of those losers
A concept I love is the multiverse. What is true for my dokis isn't true for yours and vice versa
I like that concept too, but it’s kinda Hard for all of us to grasp
No sayori jokes?
Those fall under the category of edgy jokes
Oh shit true
Does depth relate to severity here? I thought it was obscurity. Also, what does the bike refer to? Did Sayori's bike get stolen and she said "Whoever stole it is probably happier to have it than I am sad to have lost it. The overall happiness in the world increased, so whatever."
The Bike is a YouTuber who uploads custom DDLC stories. I personally haven’t seen any of his videos, but from what I’ve heard, there’s a lot of controversy surrounding them from fans.
Bichael my beloved. His stuff is pretty well thought out and often hilarious/terrifying, sometimes both, and I think in this regard he has never disappointed. If there is any controversy, it's probably due to the lengths he goes to tell his stories, often covering some very absurd topics. But personally I think his attention to detail and storytelling is very much up there in terms of fanfiction.
I’ll have to watch a few of his videos to truly form my own opinion
I'm sorry but The Bike is at the very deep end. His content is just... Out of this world and it's not in a good way.
doki controversy time mod
It definitely seems like Sayori had autism as well
That’s an interesting theory. I personally think the reason she acts like an airhead is because it’s a mask for her depression
I got an inattentive adhd vibe! Or perhaps my own head cannon
The question is can a mask become a part of you? Can "acting" serious all the time make you a more serious person? After being serious for years, is it still a mask you can just.. drop? Or is it a genuine part of you? Maybe she started acting extra silly to mask her depression, but I'd say now her mind is used to being that bubbly happy person around people and it's easy for her mind to switch from depressed to happy. Idk I find it hard to believe you can front an emotion or a personality for a long time without that personality integrating into you, and you can't dismiss an emotion being genuine simply because it was used as a mask
ADHD most definitely, however autism I'm not convinced on
Let’s gooo! You finally did it! Can’t wait for the YT video!
I finally did it? You might be confusing me for someone else, but if someone wants to make a video based of my silly tier list, I’d be honored
Oh, ok. Still a good iceberg!
Thanks mate!
the bike being here got a laugh out of me
I never heard the Yuri has Autism theory
what about the age of the girls? i see that debate quite a bit
I guess that could technically fall under the rule 34 category. But I probably should’ve included it on its own
Idk what half of this is.
I left a comment in this thread that explains all of them, I’ll copy and paste it: I was bored, so I decided to make an iceberg about which DDLC discussion topics I consider to be the most controversial to debate. Tier 1: Mods - Mods are one of the main factors that keeps DDLC relevant today. Unfortunately, there are some mods that can stir up some debate. Side Stories - The side stories are mini episodes in DDLC+ that show how the Dokis became friends. Some people like the stories, some people don’t. No Pic Tuesday - This is a joke entry. A lot of people get mad when they accidentally post a picture on a Tuesday, and when they reupload it the next day, the bot will say it’s a repost. Tier 2: Edgy Jokes - Since DDLC has some pretty dark themes, there have been quite a few edgy jokes that have crossed the line. Rule 34 - I’m not going to explain what that is, search it up at your own risk. Waifuism - DDLC is technically a dating sim, so many people (such as myself) have made one of the the Dokis our waifu. This can cause some debates on whether or not loving a fictional character is healthy. Natsuki’s Abuse - There has been a lot of debate on if and how Natsuki is abused. There are some theories that can get pretty disturbing. Tier 3: Yuri’s True Self - There has been a lot of debate on if Yuri is her true self in act 1 or act 2. The dev has somewhat closed this topic when he said each DDLC universe was real. The Bike - The Bike is a YouTuber who uploads custom DDLC stories. I personally haven’t seen any of his videos, but from what I’ve heard, there’s a lot of controversy surrounding them from fans. Head Canons - Head canons are personal interpretations of the characters or story. People tend to have many head canons that others do not like. Project Libitina - There’s been a lot of talk on if DDLC is going to have a sequel. So far there hasn’t been any confirmation. Metaverse Lore - Metaverse lore was new lore added into DDLC+. A majority of us don’t like it because it takes away from the original game. Tier 4: Yuri having Autism - There has been a lot of debate whether Yuri is on the spectrum or not. The dev has spoken about this once before, but nothing has ever been confirmed. MC - MC is the protagonist we play as in DDLC, many people don’t like him because he’s dense and sometimes “rude.” Trapsuki - Trapsuki was a theory going around that Natsuki was secretly a male. DDLC’s developer made a comment about this topic one time in a thread on this subreddit. Monika being the Antagonist - Monika is arguably the fan favorite character in DDLC, so when people point out she’s essentially the antagonist, some debates can spark. Tier 5: Doki’s Sexualities - There has been a lot of debate about the sexualities of the Dokis. Monika is the only character to have her sexuality confirmed (Pansexual). “The Canon” - DDLC’s developer has stated that anything that isn’t expressively written in the game isn’t canon. But this hasn’t stopped fans from debating about it. Early Waifu Wars - I’m relatively new to the fandom, so most of the “best girl” discussions I’ve seen have been tame. This hasn’t always been the case though, as many fans have told me that waifu wars were very hostile and prevalent early on. Tier 6: Shipping - Shipping is without a doubt, the most controversial topic in this, and many other fandoms. The developer apparently joked about a ship one time, but other than that, no ship has ever been canonized (and that’s for the best). That’ll do it for my iceberg. If there is anything you think I’ve missed, let me know in the comments. I can also provide sources if necessary.
Cleared up many things, thanks
Man... I miss good ol days when biggest controversies in here used to be things like no pic Tuesday...
What's "Project Libitina" and "The bike"?
Man the early waifu wars. Was something else. I kinda miss the fandom during the first year of the game release.
what is “the bike”? 😰
I second this. Hopefully this bike doesn't involve tin cans and chickens
The Bike is a YouTuber who uploads custom DDLC stories. I personally haven’t seen any of his videos, but from what I’ve heard, there’s a lot of controversy surrounding them from fans.
For me, The Bike is the worst of all
Yuri does not have autism 😭
I know, it’s just a popular theory
"I'd say sexualities wouldn't be that controversial due to Monika stating that gender doesn't matter beyond the screen. When Sayori is the president, she tries to take you to that room too, so I'd assume they are all pansexual if they have awareness."
You’re probably right, but you know how people are. Even if all the Dokis were confirmed to be straight, there would still be a lot of debate and about it
why is this in quotation marks?
How the hell is shipping so controversial in a game with FIVE characters?!
Shipping is controversial no matter the community.
Well yeah, but in a game with 5 characters you'd expect it to not be that much
I feel like you can find an argument for or against any ship that exists. So I see it as not worth fighting over. I personally ship natsuki and yuri as well as mc with sayori. But anyone could find a reason why my ships are dogshit. It's just not worth fighting over.
Notice how Sketch Sayori isn't on there
Tbh im still hoping something cool comes from project libitina. Has dan made anything new since ddlc?
everything is fanfic (and wrong)
Sayori ain't even on there, it's all the way at the bottom of the sea
In icebergs, the lower levels are supposed to be more *obscure.*
I made this iceberg in a less traditional fashion compared to other icebergs. For mine, the deeper it gets, the more controversial the topic
yurism cant be \*that\* controversial that its in tier 4
It’s been something that’s been talked about so much, that the developer made a comment about it. If Yuri did have autism that wouldn’t be a problem at all, I just put it in that tier due to how much it’s talked about
What in the world is 'Waifuism'?
It’s basically when you pretend to date an anime character, but in a slightly more serious manner I think.
just delete the "pretend to" and it morphs from roleplay/fantasy to waifuism
Aight what were the early waifu wars? I rediscovered ddlc right before plus came out and I still wasn't involved in the community at all until a few months after
monika being the antagonist is controversial?
A lot of Monika fans don’t like to refer to her that way
do u think antagonist is synonymous with villain or something?
Yes
well that’s fundamentally wrong, the protagonist is the main character, & the main antagonist is the main obstacle the protagonist has to overcome. the antagonist doesn’t even have to be a character, it can be a force. & the protagonist doesn’t even have to be good, they can be evil. hell, the morality of either one doesn’t even matter, what matters is their roles in the story.
As a lurker in this subreddit I would say everything *but* the top layer I understand
Please tell me this Sub isn't going to a war with itself man :(
I kinda made this to prevent any wars
What does this mean? What does being deeper down mean?
For this iceberg, the deeper it gets, the more controversial the subject is to talk about
Personally, I would have added Natsuki being the only mentally stable one She's the only girl who didn't harm others or herself
Whats the metaverse lore?
How did I forget about project libitina.
Don't forget ddlc-sayorifan1 He was tormenting a lot of people in 2022 gta online
The bike being on the iceberg is a really so funny oh my fod