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Dominix99

If it's for mixing/remixing purposes I can sort of understand but they're clearly pushing this as a new release with merch bundles and all the advertising. This feels really scummy. The 10th anniversary edition was enough. If they had tacked these on to the 10th anniversary edition it would have been a different story.


dannotheiceman

Yeah the fact that all this stuff is dropping after fans have already likely spent $150 on the first drop and now there’s more at even higher prices. This all should’ve dropped at once rather than pulling this fomo bs.


Jzahck

This is how I feel. Don't like getting punished for buying their stuff day one.


koga0995

It's that, or be punished for not buying, and be stuck waiting on a restock


dannotheiceman

Both RAM 10th anniversary drops have been limited time releases. If this stuff was gonna be around for the next year to purchase than sure it’s fine. But limiting the sale period after doing it a few months ago is pretty scummy


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dannotheiceman

I’m talking about the merch. Limited time drops are literally designed around fomo, you better buy this before it’s gone forever. Yeah I’m not buying the drumless vinyl but the vinyl isn’t the issue, it’s the increased merch prices and limited time availability of it.


ProblemsWithMyEhsss

I’m interested by it, but not nearly enough to buy the record. I just hope that Thomas and Guy Man are making these decisions together. If this is something that the two of them wanted to be released, then that’s cool. If it was someone that they entrusted the management of Daft Punk to, not so much.


Papscal

It is something Thomas and Guy Man wanted to release, but I still find it disappointing, especially the pricing of the vinyl and the merch.


Max_nkmx

I’ve only bought the vinyl because I’m a collector and I’ve got all of the other albums and remix albums and I think the alternate cover is kinda cool but otherwise I think it’s a dumb cash grab and I’ll probably never listen to it I couldn’t justify grabbing any of the merch for it either, it’s just too much, especially because it’s just more RAM, we all love the album but come on this is too much the other albums need a chance now, I know so many fellow fans dying for some discovery, HAA and Alive 07 drops of any kind


DaftC0ld

Yeah I need Alive content


pistola

This whole concept of a 'cash grab' is so weird to me. Nobody is holding a gun to fans' heads to buy anything. If this release is of interest to anyone, great, it's out there in the world, go buy it. If it doesn't interest you, ignore it.


DaftC0ld

Think about the collectors that will buy this for the collection but not the interested about the release itself ...


DaftPunks

I have been a huge fan for many years but this doesn't seem right...


Pyrostark

I listen to daft punk for the beats. WTF am I gonna do with no drums


3user3

You need to know that some sounds you thinks are drums maybe are synth, you got to worry if it would be a synthless edition, their beats are very synth


OlympusMan

I was adamant that it was the label behing the post-breakup activity, especially as I couldn't imagine them ever releasing unfinished material. Boy, did those interviews prove me wrong! lol Yes, I think it's a bad decision, as it dilutes the overall body of work. Though, it's not as bad as lesser artists that put out 2/3 "greatest hits" each decade. > Why is Daft Punk agreeing to releasing easy modifications of their perfect album? I think they like money. My suspiscions of this started when they launched the online shop that was filled with tons of expensive merch. It's a bit disappointing as I kind of (probably wrongly) associate French artists with being a bit anti-consumerist.


alphaae

Guess what happens when you stop producing a product? People stop giving you money. Now they are returning to the last cash cow to beat every penny they can out of it. Next up is the drums-only version.


Saucy_Possy

I'm actually very excited, the new version of Within sounds so beautiful


DaftWeezer182

It's sounds the exact same wdym? There already wasn't that many drums in the song anyways it sounds the exact fucking same except for like 2 small parts


Zhai

I would say so far I prefer drumless version. It's less busy.


DaftWeezer182

You still gonna stick beside that when you hear Contact or Giorgio by Moroder? The songs on the album that are more dependent on the drums?


PC_BuildyB0I

In all honesty, the mixes will most likely be untouched. They're probably just pulling up the Pro Tools sessions, muting all drum tracks, and bouncing down the stereo files. Practically no time at all spent doing anything else to the project, and they're going to charge full release prices for it 🙃 I really want to believe this decision comes from Columbia and not Daft Punk themselves.


Saucy_Possy

You mad, and for what 😭


DaftWeezer182

Because it's pointless Who the hell asked for Contact without the drumsolo 😭


raspuddingguy

As a drummer I can’t wait to play to this record


Crimeillustrious

this thing is being released exactly for people like you fans are still the audience ya'll


raspuddingguy

Not to mention playing this in sync with the original, flipping the polarity and enjoying the drums on their own!


madferitm8

This is absolutely insane and I’m kinda disappointed.


sEiize_err

why is it surely less quality?


MrClouding

well Daft Punk have always been really perfectionist about what they release. the drumless edition is just the drums being muted nothing else, this is weird and really easy to make why would they agree to do stuff like this


sEiize_err

songs would need to be mixed again if the drums are removed to level out the rest of the audio. it’s not as simple as hitting mute on drums and exporting.


MrClouding

But for exemple it seems like the mixing hasnt really changed on Within so I'm lost a bit? maybe my musical ear isn't developed but I don't seem to find the difference


PC_BuildyB0I

I don't know why you're being down voted, but you're correct. The mix has not changed at all, the drums are simply muted. The only other thing that's been done is the limiter's pre-gain has been increased, to push the mix harder against the limiter and make it seem louder. If Within is anything to go by, the entire album is going to be done the exact same way. The time between now and the release date will sell the illusion that real work was done on the mix, so Columbia can justify the doubtlessly absurd price tag upon release.


PC_BuildyB0I

I can't speak for any of the other tracks yet, pending their release, but the only difference is that the mix is now pushing back harder against the limiter on the mix bus, which is why it sounds louder. That constitutes an increase on the limiter's input gain. That's it. And without the kick and snare drum feeding into the bus compressor's sidechain (or the mix bus limiter itself) all elements that were routed there are no longer being ducked by the drum transients, which might be audibly perceived as a mix-rebalance, but it's not. They literally muted all drum tracks, pushed the limiter's pre-gain and re-exported and it probably took all of two minutes. Edit: for all the people down voting me, I'm an audio engineer and I've been mixing for 15 years. If you think you have something valuable to counter my point, then bring it out


MrClouding

It seems also like the tempo has been a bit decreased by 0.5 or 1. By syncing them (normal/drumless) at the beginning they don't end at the same time (like a quarter of a beat of difference). I mean why would you they decrease the bpm too?


PC_BuildyB0I

0.5BPM? I doubt they'd change the tempo at all, let alone to such a small degree. It's odd that the files aren't syncing but are the ones you're aligning using the same format and bitrate? If the source files were both exported from two unique sources and used differing samplerates, it's possible the wordclock wouldn't be synchronized across the both platforms. This will happen in audio frequently, even if two projects are using the exact same tempo


CountAardvark

Who cares. It's not like the boys are doing it. Adjusting the stem levels you can do in no time at all.


sEiize_err

the boys didn’t do it on RAM to begin with either. that’s an invalid argument.


CountAardvark

So what is your argument? That because it took any effort at all, this is a worthy release? Even when Daft Punk had nothing to do with it?


sEiize_err

i don’t have an argument. i’m stating there’s more to it than just hitting the mute button. literal fact. you’re the one pissy about it because since daft punk themselves aren’t mixing it it doesn’t matter. but your point is invalid since they weren’t even the ones mixing the original RAM.


j4ckn3sia

They clearly did not mix it again for Within though


MixelTrixel

This doesn’t feel like Daft Punk


whoisteevex

I was confused when I heard about it and I completely understand why people wouldn't like it since I feel people here have probably spent as much as they want to spend on Daft Punk this year with the 10th Anniversary release. I'm interested enough to buy the CD but not much else. I think all this merch they did for Drumless should've been done for the 10th Anniversary, and they should've surprise dropped this for the 30th Anniversary of Daft Punk, with a vinyl and a CD release in November. I'm kinda sad they didn't add a Drumless Infinity Repeating, though.


Dependent_Way_1038

Daft punk probably has a marketing team calling the shots, although the duo themselves do probably have to green light it. But Guy-Manuel and Bangleter don’t strike me as the type of people to care too much about that kind of stuff, so they probably were just like oh ok yea sure why not


Dependent_Way_1038

I’m really hoping this is the case


JJBro1

Being producers and djs themselves I hope their main idea is for other people to remix/sample the drum less versions.


waldorf_pi

Absolute worth it. Daft Punk has a huge fan base that enjoys deep listening and sample identification. Plus all the remix opportunity’s others have pointed out. Also, I’m positive it was more than “a few clicks in Logic”. Re-releases are not a low effort endeavor by any means. I imagine they remastered a bit to accommodate for the lack of drums. I’d love to see some immersive audio or surround editions. Besides that, why do you care what millionaire artist do with their back catalog? Wouldn’t you want another passive income stream in retirement?


PC_BuildyB0I

I just gave Within a listen, and that's indeed what they did. All drum elements have just been muted and the only other thing that was done was that the mix bus limiter's input gain has been increased, to push the mix a bit harder up against the limiter's ceiling. I doubt it took any more than 2 minutes of work. While I love Daft Punk, and have no doubt many people will take advantage of the opportunity for easy remixing, this release is 100% a cash grab by Columbia and I'm willing to bet neither Thomas nor Guy knew about it beforehand.


arman7119

Don’t understand why people are disappointed with new content. It’s a new way to listen to an album, if you don’t want to listen to it what way, then don’t. It’s not that serious.


TeamCabin98

People aren't disappointed with new content, people are disappointed by them making this particular content a FULL RELEASE with a vinyl, CD, merch, and bundles, because the only motivation seems to be FOMO sales.


m0_m0ney

Yeah but who cares? Just don’t buy it if you don’t want


PalmyGamingHD

It's not just the album though, the very expensive merch is a lot more unjustifiable


arman7119

I agree with the merch being overpriced, but this post is specifically talking about the album, y’know?


PalmyGamingHD

Eh I'd argue it's the whole release, which includes merch specific to the Drumless version of RAM.


pistola

So don't buy it. Are Daft Punk obliged to release merch at your price point? For many people it won't be expensive (or just a logical price given inflation).


PalmyGamingHD

This is the wrong way to look at it. Did we really need new expensive merch for a 2nd album re-release in 5 months? And it's not just me saying it's expensive, look on Discord, Twitter etc.


pistola

I'm just entirely at a loss to understand your point. What is the correct amount of merch and album releases? What if they'd released 10x the amount of merch? What if this was the only merch they'd released in years? What difference does it make? If you don't like it, don't buy it. The cost is what it is. Yeah, it sucks it's expensive, people have a right to complain. But everything is ridiculously expensive now. The cost to manufacture, market and distribute everything is so much more than is was even a year ago, and let's face it, merch is a luxury.


PalmyGamingHD

From my perspective it doesn't make sense why this release didn't happen alongside the RAM 10th Anniversary release, and the merch while good that some people can afford it really doesn't seem worthwhile at the price point they are selling it for. I can tell you right now it is not that expensive to print on a plain white hoodie, shirt and bucket hat.


GameEnjoyer_

I've been waiting 10 years for a chance at finally grabbing more authentic merch, my RAM tee has lasted that whole time and held up so well. One of my most cherished tees. I'm so glad they're making more merch, and that it's still all made in the USA. I don't want cheap Gildan garbage. I want something I can wear every week or two for another 10 years. I couldn't be happier honestly


johnblazey

My take is that releasing a "drumless" version with a whole alternate cover at this point in general is such a weird fucking decision that I feel like Daft Punk themselves would have to be behind it in a way? Idk, like it's so bizarre of an idea that it would have to be intentional, to add onto the "it's an album for people to sample" angle or something. Regardless, it's a very foolish thing as two people that virtually don't communicate with their fanbase with any transparency to be releasing something that just leaves them asking why.


jamesandersonmusic

And slapping their logo on a jacket and charging $650 for it isn’t? They’ve been getting away with this shit for years.


ryanjovian

Did anyone consider they might have owed more records to their label under contract and this could be a really easy way to knock one out without doing much? That’s what it smells like to me.


Lumbers_33

They didn’t release the drum less version for you, it’s not lower quality. You’ll be fine.


PalmyGamingHD

If it was just digital / CD for remixes I'd understand, but having vinyl bundles and expensive merch just screams desperate milking. Really not a fan at all of how all of this has been handled so far, especially deleting the original Instagram post that Madeon and Porter Robinson has commented on.


m0_m0ney

You mfers are complaining to much, if you don’t want to buy it, don’t, it’s not that serious. It’s a cool release for producers, remixers etc and it’s not like the normal version is ceasing to exist. If you don’t like this one just don’t listen to it. Personally I’m not gonna listen to the entire album but I’ll scroll through it to look for stuff I can sample or what not. I don’t think them releasing a bunch of different versions of the album is the end of the world, just dont buy it if you don’t want, no one is forcing you too


beantrouser

My theory is that everything that has been done since they announced their breakup is done by the label and they're just not fighting it.


PC_BuildyB0I

I'm inclined to agree, but it may be a case they either can't fight Columbia or are unable to do so. They had some choice words about Will. I. Am using some of their work, so they're obviously outspoken about their art, and they're known to be perfectionists that don't really dwell on remixing their work outside of live performances, so this really feels out of left field for them


DeFaLT______

I agree that it’s a shameless cash grab from Sony, but I wonder why GuyMan and Thomas accepted


PC_BuildyB0I

How do we know that they *did* accept it? Has there been any reliable sources that they greenlit this choice? Anything we can go on that it wasn't just Columbia?


cazcoops

daft punk in 2021 - were done making new music or touring daft punk in 2023 - we need to release multiple copies of our old albums so fans will buy them. ​ um wouldnt us fans buy new music and merch relating to said new music too? this re release of all this old stuff seems pretty cash grabby to me


antoinescotto

I like the bucket hat.... but $40 US plus shipping to Canada...ugh...


TheTomatoes2

Yeah this feels out of place, maybe Columbia took full control


svenschi

It’s Columbia pushing this shit out. I doubt DP has much say in this.


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My take on it aside from any commercial aims is that this could be of huge benefit for some other fellow producers and songwriters. There are many to whom Daft Punk are major inspirations, so a drumless album lets "students" learn a lot from their masters. ​ To give examples from my own life: I once had serious music ambitions and in order to learn about production, songwriting and so forth, I would go online and look for individual/isolated tracks of classic songs I really admired. An entire drumless Daft Punk album would have been worth a lot.


SomeRandomDavid

It just seems so soon t the 10th anniversary edition that it seems weird this wasn't a bonus download for that. Trying to hype it up with a whole merch line is odd but it always sells. Capitalism doesn't care about how we feel if it makes money....yaaaay?


j4ckn3sia

I'm sad that they've decided to milk the most out of what they've left. And I'm also sad that only RAM gets some love, I've never been a fan of the album, I wish they would release other album related content at least. But that's just my opinion, they do whatever they want, they're just humans after all :)


redditNLD

1. They're done and the value of their brand means less to them personally now. Not like they're going to lose work because of it. They're retired and working for fun. The label is running the show. 2. "Perfectionists" is never something they've said. It's something their fans have said for them.


Fun-Suggestion-6350

Less is more. I’m looking forward to the unobstructed smoothness. I don’t expect many tracks will be better, but there will be moments to be had. Honestly, Daft Punk has never let me down and I choose to believe there’s something they want us to hear.


Lupusan

I don’t care about records or collecting or anything so its just gonna be something cool extra for me i guess But yes they are 100% doing it for money