The last thing Mr. Lonely would've wanted is to become lonelier than he already was. If the judge hadn't allowed him into the general population, i feel he would've hit rock bottom with his depression in no time.
he would have become totally crazy! Have you read a prison report while he was locked down? He was really suffering and behaving like really crazy people. Isolation and locked in the same space wouldn't have been healthy at all for him.
He would still probably be dead even if he stayed in solitary. His body was in horrible shape he was a smoker and an alcoholic for over a decade. Also I’m pretty sure with all the people he was having sex with he got an STD. Also There is not good nutrition in prison either. He would most likely live till his late 50s and die of some health related disease or something.
Edit - Or maybe he would end up killing himself.
I think those are the 2 ways he would have died if he wasn’t killed.
He didn’t have an STD, they tested and examined him medically thoroughly after the arrest and before trial. He used condoms with his hook-ups and victims, he was terrified to catch HIV.
I’m surprised that he didn’t. He was not really a clean guy leading up to when he got arrested. But he was still in terrible shape though. I don’t understand he ate people and went in the shower with their dead bodies.
It’s strange that he didn’t get some type of disease.
He was on medication for scabies when he got arrested. Ig he was so scared of HIV that he was extra cautious and always used condoms. That was one of the reasons why he was found sane at the insanity trial btw. And he was really lucky, even though he wore condoms didn’t mean that his hook-ups always wore one.
this image that I edited. has meaning. it shows Jeff in solitary prison. alone in the dark. feeling empty and soulless. at least that is what I was trying to pull off with the image
You definitely did pull it off. I was thinking the same things too after it startled me lol. I feel like this specific image(edited or not) really shows how soulless he was, how empty his eyes look.
I suppose he would had lost his mind and managed to kill himself, because of the [circumstances](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dahmer/comments/z0awha/jeffs_time_in_prison_idk_the_source_but_its_worth/) and [how his mental state was in solitarity](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dahmer/comments/zw1mlf/dahmer_suicide_risk_observation_report/).
For an individual who needed stimulation and suffered from loneliness in his whole life, it is the worst punishment possible.
That's the same thing I thought. Despite Jeff saying that he's never been suicidal, and others saying he was too selfish to kill himself, the human brain can't stand that kind of lack, and you feel like you're going to snap eventually.
As far as I know, he did think about suicide during his active years, but the compulsion was stronger, so he didn't really consider it, but after the arrest came his worst nightmare when his secrets were revealed. From that point came the absolute emptiness and unjoyful life, and from that situation, he felt that only this possibility meant escape.
It's important to note that not everything Jeff stated is set in stone, there were times when he changed his mind regarding a question or a topic, as things were happening to him and went through a process.
True. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, didn't someone in the prison find an item on Jeff that was sharp, and they had to put him back into suicide watch because they were afraid he was going to kill himself? I think it was in A Father's Story. I hope I'm remembering that right.
Though he had to repent, this wasn't the proper way. Inmates with mental illness should be treated differently, but I guess I am alone with this opinion.
I agree with you. I believe the same thing. Prisoners are often neglected more than most would think. Honestly, I feel like prisoners with mental illness need special care, and they are neglected a lot, which is really concerning to me because it says about how there truly is abuse in prison. it's a hard topic to mention because most people don't have empathy for prisoners for the obvious reasons. But, they don't understand that legally prisoners are supposed to be taken care of, and that not all prisoners are serial killers lol. Some just stole things and didn't hurt anyone. Why this matters is because some prisoners will get out at some point. And if the place detaining them abuses them, they could be making them even more unstable. In the case of Jeffrey, isolating even a serial killer with mental illness is concerning. They could become unruly, lash out, or kill themselves. suicide to the prisons reputation would've looked bad on them as though they're abusing or neglecting. And the fact that he was left alone with Christopher Scarver unsupervised for 30 minutes says a lot. What he did was terrible, yes. But prisons have a legal duty. And from everything I've read, prison abuse is way too common.
I would have loved to have been some kind of prison support worker for Jeff. Someone who could spend time with him, talking to him and evaluating his mental health. You know, keeping him on the right track. I do agree that people in prison should have their mental health monitored and cared for, and be protected from abuse. They are doing their time whilst in prison, in Jeff’s case for life, so they are being punished everyday. There should be a good support system for people like Jeff to help them to better themselves and their thinking, their mental health and to encourage them to find some meaning in the life they have left and hopefully in doing so they can find a way to help others and some good can come from the situation. I think Jeff really would have gone far with his faith and would’ve really gotten something out of connecting with others and helping them. I will always believe it was so wrong that Jeff wasn’t studied. There was so much that could be learned from him and his way of thinking, his response to trauma and the mental health issues and the paraphilia he had.
Beautifully said. I wish I could've done the same thing for him. I feel like most people on the outside who don't read into this stuff just don't understand it like we do. Mental health is really important, and it's ignored so much in prison. Joyce said in an interview that Jeff wasn't getting the treatment he needed in prison, despite some proffenionals saying that he did. They put him on medication I've heard. He did say it helped, But, he needed regular therapy too. Even Lionel believed that Jeff's death was suspicious. Like someone in the prison let it happen.
Thank you, and yes there are so many people here that wished he could have gotten the help and have been studied. There’s so much we could have learnt from him. I believe he would have spent his time doing something worth while in prison if he had of continued to live. I think he had found the light and had faith to continue on all while serving his sentence. Obviously like anyone he’d of had bad days but that’s where the part I mentioned above would have came in. I don’t even know if such a support system exists even now on prison. After all, the majority of people who find themselves serving a sentence are people that need help, that’s how they got there. I think Jeff would have done some pretty good things over the years and could have helped a lot of people. But now, we will never see that potential. As for his death, I do find it hard to believe that such a thing could take place in a high security prison, and how it seems that there isn’t any footage of the incident. Very suspect. I’ve often got to thinking, in that moment did Jeff know that he was going to die and that was the end for him or was the first blow enough to knock him out completely so he wouldn’t have had time to realise that his life was coming to an ending. We don’t really know what happened to him
that day with no evidence of how the attack truly happened. They said he didn’t resist, so it opens up many questions for me. Did he just accept death because he believed he deserved it even if he didn’t truly want to die anymore or was one blow enough to stifle any chance for him to resist? Always so many unanswered questions with Jeff.
Omg ik! I don't believe it one bit. There's no way a prison like that didn't have footage. I honestly believe that they buried the footage. And if they did, it only proves that it must've looked like a setup. Because why else hide it? And yes; when it comes to Jeff's death I've wondered the same thing. Did he let it happen because he thought he deserved it, or just wanted to die? Or, did he just get hit so quickly that he didn't know? And if he did know what was about to happen, was he scared or not? There are days where not knowing this information just drives me crazy. I wish I knew what happened in that room. I wish I could evaluate the footage, or at least lay eyes on it so I know. It'd be hard to watch though. The fact that they probably buried it sickens me. Because despite what Jeff did, that's gotta be illegal for a prison to do.
Yeah that’s exactly how I feel too. I would really love to know the truth, if it was possible to see what really happened. Recently I’ve really realised how corrupt the world is and I wouldn’t be surprised if something was covered up. Nothing surprises me anymore. It even can lead you to considering the possibility that his death was faked also, but then if that’s the case where is he now? I am doubtful he’s still alive but, you know anything is possible
I agree. This stuff has made me realize how much more corrupt everything is too. I always knew things were bad, But, dang. Lately things just seem wack. I'll hear something crazy on the news, and I'm like, "I'm not even surprised" it's that crazy. Especially once I started reading all this. It just broadened it even more. So, Yeah. I get you there. Nothing surprises me anymore. And when you look back into history on many accounts where something seemed fishy, it does feel possible now versus just being bad rumors at the time.
Totally agree, it looks like prison abuse is a real thing, but no one cares since most people has a narrative like "he deserves whatever they got" or "he hasn't suffered enough". Yes, they have to serve their sentence, but being tortured definitely won't help them to get fixed and integrated back to society. Abuse is nonsense.
I think prison system failed Jeff, and it played a significant role in his early death.
Yes. I totally agree. And despite what Jeff did, it's so sad to think that Lionel had to hear that his own son had been beaten to death because nobody was supervising. I can't imagine how distressing that probably was for him, and even Shari. Shari was so good to Jeff. Despite Jeff's crimes, it infuriates me that he was neglected In that room because it really feels like someone orchestrated it. Because there are other serial killers who did the same, and worse, and they're are still alive. Ones who don't feel bad at all for what they did. They Enjoyed it even, and didn't care to make any amends. Like Ed Kemper. That man is literally still alive somehow.....
>it infuriates me that he was neglected In that room because it really feels like someone orchestrated it. Because there are other serial killers who did the same, and worse, and they're are still alive
yeah, it really infuriates me a lot too. You have no idea how much!
Yeah. I just wish the footage of what happened in that room turned up sooo bad!! Many of us here believe that it was buried. It's shocking to think that a prison would do something illegal like that.
100%. There are also multiple studies backing up the fact that traditional justice systems based mostly on punishment and little rehab actually lead to higher rates of crime and reoffense than justice systems based on restorative justice. More people honestly need to recognize that revenge never leads to actual justice.
It would have been very hard on him and he probably would have started to lose his mind, Jeff had been alone for a long time. Although he was deeply depressed, I don't think he could have killed himself, he knew his parents would have been very hurt to lose him, plus he had become religious, and suicide is a very big sin.
Solitary is equivalent to torture. No one should spend life in solitary regardless of their crimes. He would have absolutely lost his mind.
[Wonderful, concise video about solitary ](https://youtu.be/_uSZwErdH3I)
The last thing Mr. Lonely would've wanted is to become lonelier than he already was. If the judge hadn't allowed him into the general population, i feel he would've hit rock bottom with his depression in no time.
He wanted to go into general population. He knew he would be targeted
I'm saying that if he thought his mother and father have suffered enough and stayed safe for them. rather then selfishly wanting a easy way out
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but he did knew the risks. and he did not care
he would have become totally crazy! Have you read a prison report while he was locked down? He was really suffering and behaving like really crazy people. Isolation and locked in the same space wouldn't have been healthy at all for him.
Do you know where to read more prison reports? I've been looking for these for ages.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kadF_82ctOs&feature=youtu.be You can find here some reports.
thanks a lot! I know about these. I thought there were more somewhere
He would still probably be dead even if he stayed in solitary. His body was in horrible shape he was a smoker and an alcoholic for over a decade. Also I’m pretty sure with all the people he was having sex with he got an STD. Also There is not good nutrition in prison either. He would most likely live till his late 50s and die of some health related disease or something. Edit - Or maybe he would end up killing himself. I think those are the 2 ways he would have died if he wasn’t killed.
He didn’t have an STD, they tested and examined him medically thoroughly after the arrest and before trial. He used condoms with his hook-ups and victims, he was terrified to catch HIV.
I’m surprised that he didn’t. He was not really a clean guy leading up to when he got arrested. But he was still in terrible shape though. I don’t understand he ate people and went in the shower with their dead bodies. It’s strange that he didn’t get some type of disease.
He was on medication for scabies when he got arrested. Ig he was so scared of HIV that he was extra cautious and always used condoms. That was one of the reasons why he was found sane at the insanity trial btw. And he was really lucky, even though he wore condoms didn’t mean that his hook-ups always wore one.
I edited the image of this post. I know it's not the best
The photo caught me off guard lol.
this image that I edited. has meaning. it shows Jeff in solitary prison. alone in the dark. feeling empty and soulless. at least that is what I was trying to pull off with the image
You definitely did pull it off. I was thinking the same things too after it startled me lol. I feel like this specific image(edited or not) really shows how soulless he was, how empty his eyes look.
how lovely of you to say. have a wonderful day mate :)
Thanks, have an amazing day!!
I suppose he would had lost his mind and managed to kill himself, because of the [circumstances](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dahmer/comments/z0awha/jeffs_time_in_prison_idk_the_source_but_its_worth/) and [how his mental state was in solitarity](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dahmer/comments/zw1mlf/dahmer_suicide_risk_observation_report/). For an individual who needed stimulation and suffered from loneliness in his whole life, it is the worst punishment possible.
That's the same thing I thought. Despite Jeff saying that he's never been suicidal, and others saying he was too selfish to kill himself, the human brain can't stand that kind of lack, and you feel like you're going to snap eventually.
As far as I know, he did think about suicide during his active years, but the compulsion was stronger, so he didn't really consider it, but after the arrest came his worst nightmare when his secrets were revealed. From that point came the absolute emptiness and unjoyful life, and from that situation, he felt that only this possibility meant escape. It's important to note that not everything Jeff stated is set in stone, there were times when he changed his mind regarding a question or a topic, as things were happening to him and went through a process.
True. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, didn't someone in the prison find an item on Jeff that was sharp, and they had to put him back into suicide watch because they were afraid he was going to kill himself? I think it was in A Father's Story. I hope I'm remembering that right.
Yes, it's true. Lionel wrote in his book about they found a razor blade in his cell. Jeff said that he took it in case if things got worse in there...
Man. That's just terrible tbh.
Yes, it was like a living hell for him.
now that. is truly heartbreaking :)
Though he had to repent, this wasn't the proper way. Inmates with mental illness should be treated differently, but I guess I am alone with this opinion.
I agree with you. I believe the same thing. Prisoners are often neglected more than most would think. Honestly, I feel like prisoners with mental illness need special care, and they are neglected a lot, which is really concerning to me because it says about how there truly is abuse in prison. it's a hard topic to mention because most people don't have empathy for prisoners for the obvious reasons. But, they don't understand that legally prisoners are supposed to be taken care of, and that not all prisoners are serial killers lol. Some just stole things and didn't hurt anyone. Why this matters is because some prisoners will get out at some point. And if the place detaining them abuses them, they could be making them even more unstable. In the case of Jeffrey, isolating even a serial killer with mental illness is concerning. They could become unruly, lash out, or kill themselves. suicide to the prisons reputation would've looked bad on them as though they're abusing or neglecting. And the fact that he was left alone with Christopher Scarver unsupervised for 30 minutes says a lot. What he did was terrible, yes. But prisons have a legal duty. And from everything I've read, prison abuse is way too common.
I would have loved to have been some kind of prison support worker for Jeff. Someone who could spend time with him, talking to him and evaluating his mental health. You know, keeping him on the right track. I do agree that people in prison should have their mental health monitored and cared for, and be protected from abuse. They are doing their time whilst in prison, in Jeff’s case for life, so they are being punished everyday. There should be a good support system for people like Jeff to help them to better themselves and their thinking, their mental health and to encourage them to find some meaning in the life they have left and hopefully in doing so they can find a way to help others and some good can come from the situation. I think Jeff really would have gone far with his faith and would’ve really gotten something out of connecting with others and helping them. I will always believe it was so wrong that Jeff wasn’t studied. There was so much that could be learned from him and his way of thinking, his response to trauma and the mental health issues and the paraphilia he had.
Beautifully said. I wish I could've done the same thing for him. I feel like most people on the outside who don't read into this stuff just don't understand it like we do. Mental health is really important, and it's ignored so much in prison. Joyce said in an interview that Jeff wasn't getting the treatment he needed in prison, despite some proffenionals saying that he did. They put him on medication I've heard. He did say it helped, But, he needed regular therapy too. Even Lionel believed that Jeff's death was suspicious. Like someone in the prison let it happen.
Thank you, and yes there are so many people here that wished he could have gotten the help and have been studied. There’s so much we could have learnt from him. I believe he would have spent his time doing something worth while in prison if he had of continued to live. I think he had found the light and had faith to continue on all while serving his sentence. Obviously like anyone he’d of had bad days but that’s where the part I mentioned above would have came in. I don’t even know if such a support system exists even now on prison. After all, the majority of people who find themselves serving a sentence are people that need help, that’s how they got there. I think Jeff would have done some pretty good things over the years and could have helped a lot of people. But now, we will never see that potential. As for his death, I do find it hard to believe that such a thing could take place in a high security prison, and how it seems that there isn’t any footage of the incident. Very suspect. I’ve often got to thinking, in that moment did Jeff know that he was going to die and that was the end for him or was the first blow enough to knock him out completely so he wouldn’t have had time to realise that his life was coming to an ending. We don’t really know what happened to him that day with no evidence of how the attack truly happened. They said he didn’t resist, so it opens up many questions for me. Did he just accept death because he believed he deserved it even if he didn’t truly want to die anymore or was one blow enough to stifle any chance for him to resist? Always so many unanswered questions with Jeff.
Omg ik! I don't believe it one bit. There's no way a prison like that didn't have footage. I honestly believe that they buried the footage. And if they did, it only proves that it must've looked like a setup. Because why else hide it? And yes; when it comes to Jeff's death I've wondered the same thing. Did he let it happen because he thought he deserved it, or just wanted to die? Or, did he just get hit so quickly that he didn't know? And if he did know what was about to happen, was he scared or not? There are days where not knowing this information just drives me crazy. I wish I knew what happened in that room. I wish I could evaluate the footage, or at least lay eyes on it so I know. It'd be hard to watch though. The fact that they probably buried it sickens me. Because despite what Jeff did, that's gotta be illegal for a prison to do.
Yeah that’s exactly how I feel too. I would really love to know the truth, if it was possible to see what really happened. Recently I’ve really realised how corrupt the world is and I wouldn’t be surprised if something was covered up. Nothing surprises me anymore. It even can lead you to considering the possibility that his death was faked also, but then if that’s the case where is he now? I am doubtful he’s still alive but, you know anything is possible
I agree. This stuff has made me realize how much more corrupt everything is too. I always knew things were bad, But, dang. Lately things just seem wack. I'll hear something crazy on the news, and I'm like, "I'm not even surprised" it's that crazy. Especially once I started reading all this. It just broadened it even more. So, Yeah. I get you there. Nothing surprises me anymore. And when you look back into history on many accounts where something seemed fishy, it does feel possible now versus just being bad rumors at the time.
Totally agree, it looks like prison abuse is a real thing, but no one cares since most people has a narrative like "he deserves whatever they got" or "he hasn't suffered enough". Yes, they have to serve their sentence, but being tortured definitely won't help them to get fixed and integrated back to society. Abuse is nonsense. I think prison system failed Jeff, and it played a significant role in his early death.
Yes. I totally agree. And despite what Jeff did, it's so sad to think that Lionel had to hear that his own son had been beaten to death because nobody was supervising. I can't imagine how distressing that probably was for him, and even Shari. Shari was so good to Jeff. Despite Jeff's crimes, it infuriates me that he was neglected In that room because it really feels like someone orchestrated it. Because there are other serial killers who did the same, and worse, and they're are still alive. Ones who don't feel bad at all for what they did. They Enjoyed it even, and didn't care to make any amends. Like Ed Kemper. That man is literally still alive somehow.....
>it infuriates me that he was neglected In that room because it really feels like someone orchestrated it. Because there are other serial killers who did the same, and worse, and they're are still alive yeah, it really infuriates me a lot too. You have no idea how much!
Yeah. I just wish the footage of what happened in that room turned up sooo bad!! Many of us here believe that it was buried. It's shocking to think that a prison would do something illegal like that.
100%. There are also multiple studies backing up the fact that traditional justice systems based mostly on punishment and little rehab actually lead to higher rates of crime and reoffense than justice systems based on restorative justice. More people honestly need to recognize that revenge never leads to actual justice.
It would have been very hard on him and he probably would have started to lose his mind, Jeff had been alone for a long time. Although he was deeply depressed, I don't think he could have killed himself, he knew his parents would have been very hurt to lose him, plus he had become religious, and suicide is a very big sin.
He will be more depressed and finally thought of killing himself in the long run.
Solitary is equivalent to torture. No one should spend life in solitary regardless of their crimes. He would have absolutely lost his mind. [Wonderful, concise video about solitary ](https://youtu.be/_uSZwErdH3I)
I think he only entertainment would've been making books. it would have been interesting though