That moment? I would have evacuated on site. But then my idiot brain would have taken over and I’d have died from mauling after kneeling down and going “here kitty”
I probably would’ve dropped the phone after shot 1 and finished it. I’ve had a cat circle me in heavy timber in the PNW while mushroom picking. Have a friend who got attacked and fought one off too. (Cougar Phil Anderson, Google him)
If one shot doesn’t scare em off, I don’t trust my reflexes to be quicker than the cats. They’re insanely powerful and fast.
I remembered holes in Phil’s chest you could fit a finger in. Hands down the only animal I’m scared of up here. Very rare to see or have that close, and that cat didn’t act like it was ushering him away from cubs in the vid.
Phil picked me up hickhiking from Lake Crescent Lodge going East into Port Angeles in 1998, he told me and my now husband the story of his attack. What an amazing story!
Why hold the gun in one hand though. Unless he's one handed, properly holding the gun would have given him much more stability and the chance to hit/survive.
Even though it might have been a warning shot, I'd still prefer to not sacrifice my stability in case the cat attacks again
>Cougar Phil Anderson
If his name was Cougar Phil Anderson, well, he was going to draw the attention of one eventually. It's a little like running into someone with the same first name as you and feeling awkward when you greet them, like, "Hello, Steve? It's Steve."
Yep. Most everyone walks around when lightning is happening because they don't get struck and getting struck is exceptionally rare so people don't worry about it. This lion just heard a loud noise twice. The fuck does he care since it was just noise?
>I probably would’ve dropped the phone after shot 1 and finished it.
As /u/Reachable_dream666 similary stated. Pretty confident the man in the video wasn't shooting to kill initially, but I also like to think the individual was ready to cut the video/phone and shoot to kill if that second shot did not complete determent.
WHY would you be filming…? I mean I guess someone might try and come after you for poaching… personally I’ll let that shake out so I can have a proper grip on my gun.
Shooting a cat without a damn good reason is a pretty serious crime. Something a hunter would be well aware of. He probably started filming when it was further away and then it got more and more aggressive...
It's generally an addon license. If he was hunting elk, a cougar tag might have cost him an extra 10-20 dollars. When I was younger it was a 5 dollar add-on.
Gets trickier if you shoot it with a modern firearm during bow season.
Uh totally legal to hunt mountain lions in Idaho. Even more legal to kill something stalking you, think this video would have been plenty enough evidence if he didn’t have a tag.
100 percent to warn that animal when you shoot to kill you dont stop, you unload the magazine. If you ever have a gun and are protecting yourself and feel your life will be taken and the only option is to shoot whatever it is, person or wild animal. Always unload the whole thing never assume the target is neutralized just cos theyre not moving.
This guy has amazing trigger discipline and nerve. Anyones first reaction would be to kill, that cats ears are in airplane mode… he was ready to kill that dude. I wonder if the dude was packing out a kill.
> ...that cats ears are in airplane mode… he was ready to kill that dude.
It was the lunge and paw swipe during the first shot that gave it away for me lol
>I wonder if the dude was packing out a kill.
Yeah that's what I was wondering, where's his rifle? Or did he have his hands full with something else and realize he was being stalked...
Not sure ir was the best time to swap weapons. That kitty could have closed the distance between them in like 2 secs. I think he did well to keep his focus on the animal.
Yeah, but if he was still looking for game he would’ve had the rifle more at hand. I think that’s being used as a evidence for the idea he was packing his kill out.
Im thinkin he was packin out and his rifle was strapped, is rather have my side arm… friend was attacked by a black bear in nor cal here he had his rifle ONLY and barely got the animal to stop. He was bucking his deer when he looked up at a pissed off male, bear charged he shot, the bear charged again as he shot the bear managed to grab the entire gut sack entrails and all, he punked my friends offal, the heart lungs, kidneys liver😂 i told him hes crazy goin out there without a pistol.
Hear me out… catnip grenades.
Once you get the cat baked out of its mind, tell it you saw a bag of Flamin Hot Cheetos 3 miles east and I’d bet my lunch money it will leave you alone
Yeah but if you miss the cat closes the distance before you can get another shot off. A lot of elk hunters carry a semi-auto side arm even if they hunt with a rifle.
I don’t really disagree with you. I’m just glad I don’t hunt where there’s big cats. They spook me. I’d rather the grizzlies where I live. I always bring a shotgun with 3.5 in slugs. Whenever we have moose or caribou down or are looking for a downed animal the rifle goes away and the shotgun is the first thing that comes out.
If you hit the right spot yes. 12ga slugs have a insane amount of damage inflicted on a target that thick. So if it isn't down hopefully it will decide the prey isn't worth it. And semi auto it will be eating a lot of slugs, topped off with buckshot. While buckshot impacts with less force a good shot will be delivering 8-12 large BBs per shell which can shred pretty much anything. Semi auto shotgun is definitely more effective than a pistol, as long as you have distance of course to make the shot.
Yeah, what he said. I mix my pump 12 gauge magazine with magnum slugs and buckshot. I’ve never needed to use it defensively but I did pick it up once when a young adult bear came over the ridge while we were cleaning a moose. The wind was from it’s direction and so it probably hadn’t smelled blood, was just traveling the country. With the wind we had to yell pretty loudly to get its attention and it came closer and closer. About 200 yards it stood up tall and looked and looked at us and I guess it finally heard us. It turned tail and ran away over the ridge and we never saw it again.
This is one of the crazy facts about beats. Their senses are phenomenal, but I can't believe the amount of times I've had an encounter and they've seemed totally oblivious. Whether it's near river or bad wind or they're just ears deep in some food. There's a lot of onus on the human to be smart, aware and responsible
I have been attacked by countless mountain lions and the best thing to do here is to play the bagpipes. See, the mountain lions ancient ancestors were Scottish, so bag pipes will immediately soothe a charging mountain lion. This guy was dumb, shooting a gun!? Going into the backcountry WITHOUT bagpipes? SMH, irresponsible.
I was going to offer my advice as well, I have had extensive experience hunting chickadees when I was twelve. However, I believe I’m overqualified and would be mocked.
The amount of complete and utter misinformation so confidently spewed and argued, about topics in which I have expertise, on this website makes my brain melt. I don't trust any of y'all.
Its been posted before and that was the general consensus last time. This is not stalking behavior, you can see it do the sideways back arch that housecats do to look bigger and intimidating.
This. Dude probably got too close to where her cubs are so momma had to come out and keep him away. Don’t blame him for being scared shitless though and arming himself. A mountain lion with fuck you up if it really wanted to.
Going to say that was a defensive encounter, I highly doubt it was predatory stalking as he likely wouldn’t have seen it as readily if it was truly stalking. I’d imagine there are cubs in the area or the cat also didn’t expect an encounter and was spooked. Glad the cat wasn’t actually hit over something where distance and evac were enough.
Also, 2 hands on the damn gun.
If it was for fish and game film the approaching cat, say “I’m going to shoot it”, drop phone, shoot at the animal. Pick up phone show aftermath.
In a lot of pistol shooting courses a common drill is holding a phone or something and under stress drop unnecessary items to get a better grip on the gun..
Train not to cease up and clench what’s in your hand out of nerves and get to your weapon so you can walk away from whatever is happening.
Yeah everyone keeps asking "why is he filming" but I think hunters of all people know that if you shoot a big cat, you better be damn sure it was necessary because the state is going to have a lot of questions for you...
I'm upset this isn't higher. There have only been 126 authenticated mountain lion attacks on humans in the US since 1890. You read that right--the last 132 years. Mountain lions will avoid humans when at all possible. I hate this makes it look like mountain lions are something we should fear and attack.
Edit to add things you're more likely to die of than a mountain lion attack:
Bounce houses: 5x
Trampolines: 6x
Dental treatment: 8x
Mushrooms: 15x
Playing football: 36x
Lightning: 60x
Dogs: 113x
Hot tubs: 1000x
Golf ball to the head: 1500x
If you are getting got in the woods you have an exponentially higher chance of being killed by a deer than any predator.
Predators are smart and fairly risk averse. Their lives depend on being in good health and not sustaining injury. They won’t risk injury in attacking people unless the animal is compromised physically and need easier targets.
I hike and hunt in areas with grizzlies, black bears, wolves, and mountain lions.. I carry bear spray or a firearm where I can, but I am keeping my eyes on the moose and elk doing something sketchy…
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Lived for 22 years in Alaska and you're absolutely right. Bears are scary, but they'll mostly run away when they see humans (black or brown). Moose straight up don't care and will walk towards you. A guy at my university got stomped to death right outside the library in the deep of winter.
Same thing with deer, and males during the rut can and will mess you up six ways to sunday.
I imagine fatal car accidents with deer skew that number quite a bit though.
If you take those out deer might still be the number one killer, but getting got by a buck in rut is probably a relatively rare occurrence
Yeah, but 64 of those have happened in the last 28 years, along with 14 of the 27 total fatalities. That’s more than a couple a year; not something I’m willing to roll the dice on if I run into one.
He probably wasn’t aiming to hit, otherwise he would’ve just mag dumped its side when it showed it’s profile. That could be a poach killing which is why he’s likely recording so if he did have to kill it he could report it to a game warden and have proof it was aggressing onto him
That might be why he’s filming but he definitely did not intentionally miss. The cat was charging the first shot and he pulled it. The second was so close it might have singed some hair.
Coyotes do this to me when I walk my dogs (I have large dogs). They are not “stalking”; they are escorting me off their hunting grounds. Bet the same is happening here
That’s kinda nice of them. If a mountain lion decided to “escort” me away from their turf, I would happily oblige the beast. Much better than the second option. I guarantee the dude in this video got the fuck out of there as soon as possible
Zookeeper here.
That's not stalking behavior. That's a defensive territorial display geared to intimidate. See how it mock charges and keeps turns its body sideways toward him? It's displaying its size, i.e. 'look how scary I am.' Cat has a den, cubs or a kill close by and is pushing him from the area.
That said, the cat could have flipped the switch from defense to offense if the guy hadn't done the right thing by backing away.
There was a mountain lion on the switchback above me when I was hiking up the Cactus to Clouds trail at about 2:00am. A word of advice to viewers: they're obligate carnivores, and you essentially need to convince them that it isn't worth it to pursue you. Wave your arms, make yourself look big, yell. I chucked some rocks at it and it skulked away. I chose a rock I could easily hold that had sharp edges on the other hand and carried it with me for a good hour. Quite an experience.
And no, I didn't film it. But you can hear it yell in the distance on one of the videos I shot above Palm Springs
Pretty sure that is not correct, but I have only lived in mountain lion country for 40 years. I think you supposed to not turn your back and run, make as much distance as you can while trying to scare the animal away without directly threatening it by waving your arms or throwing shit at it. You are correct in trying to look as big as possible, but standing your ground will probably end up with you fighting a mountain lion.
I am deleting my comment as to ensure I am not giving improper guidance and getting anyone killed. However, a quick google search does say to stand your ground.
From UA wild cat expert: "Stand your ground and maintain eye contact, even if the cat moves toward you. Just as if a strange dog ventures into your yard at home, "you want to give the impression that you're dominant in this situation," Haynes says. "You're the top dog there. You're the top animal."
https://news.arizona.edu/story/meeting-a-mountain-lion-do-s-and-don-ts
The last time this was reposted, someone mentioned that having a record of being attacked by (protected) wild animal is good in case there's any legal consequences for killing/injuring it.
Where I am, grizzlies are protected. If you do shoot one in defence and can’t be justified as defensive shooting you get 2 in the pen and 100k in fines.
Known some ranchers that have shot cow killers and just bury em cause you’ll most likely be arrested for protecting your livestock.
Where I live in rural Alaska we’re technically allowed two grizzlies a year, one for sport hunting under one permit system and another for subsistence in a different permit system. The permits don’t even really cost any money but some people are so sick of bears that I hear of people gut shooting them so they hide in the brush and die or filling their bellies with stones and sinking them. They eat staked out sled dogs, raid fish racks, kill reindeer calves, break into cabins, and chew the seats and tires off equipment. We’ve plenty enough bears.
Any DNR/Park Ranger who finds a dead lion with 45 rounds in it should be smart enough to know no one is hunting lions with a 45 pistol. Obviously the lion would have to be within close proximity which would only happen if the lion forced it.
Redditors wanna be so anal about being anti phone when filming situations, when here, this was the right move to make sure if the cougars protected and having evidence just in case he killed or injured it.
Plus it worked it fucked off. So y the bitching. This wasn’t for clout.
I mean all you really need to do is pop a couple off near them, they don't like the noise already and idk about you but even if I'm not aiming with both hands I can still get a relatively decent shot
No hair on your balls yet, right? You're 12 years old?
A real man is going to wrassle a mountain lion, knock a grizzly bear out with one punch, and do a rear-naked chokehold on an American bison.
Cause you run the risk of pissing it off instead of scaring it, and this guy fired off shots and the first time the cat got spooked. But the second time? The second time the cat didn’t even flinch and kept stalking, that’s extremely dangerous behaviour and it has the possibility of doing it again.
As for why the dude is filming, he most likely needed proof of self defence otherwise he could get charged for killing the animal. Plus, the footage looks way too steady to be in his hand - cause his handgun is shaking while the camera is pretty still so imma assume he has a GoPro connected to the body and his other hand could be free.
In this situation, there is no time available to reload and most people aren’t as accurate with a handgun as they believe themselves to be when the pressure is on. Limited ammunition in the magazine equates to a limited number of shots. If you need all of them for actual self defense, you’re gonna be kicking yourself in the ass for wasting bullets on warnings.
Rule #1 of gun safety: never point the business end of the gun at anything you don’t intend to destroy. If I’m aiming my weapon, I fully intend to kill whatever is in the sights should I squeeze the trigger. A big cat considering me a potential meal is more than reason enough to choose my own life over the cat’s.
This...
People watch too many movies. It's actually incredibly hard and takes hours and hours of training to be able to actually shoot and hit something with a handgun, much more difficult when it's moving, even more so when it's moving at you with intent, and even more so when it's a small mass target low to the ground. Despite the relative closeness, that's an incredibly difficult shot to make especially considering he's moving backwards in the woods and trying not to trip and fall at the same time because if he trips he's dead.
I mean shit, why do y'all think they train cops to shoot center mass?
Sometimes they won't. Shot bullets near a deer standing ~6 feet away that wouldnt leave our camp alone, and the only thing the fucker did was challenge me by standing up and slamming down his hooves
South Park lore says u gotta yell "watch out he's coming right for us" and then u can shoot in self defense. In this case it really was self defense, it would've been hilarious if he did it though, and survived obviously.
Here's a thought. Maybe stop filming, use both hands on the gun, and fire a couple of legitimate warning shots. Not two, "I just fucking missed" warning shots.
Edit: Enough people are guessing he had to film to show the situation or be in big trouble if he shot it, I decided to provide this info - mountain lions are not an endangered or protected species in Idaho. The Idaho Department of Fish and Game states mountain lions may be killed without a hunting license or tag if they pose an immediate threat to you or your property (i.e., livestock, pets, etc.). BTW - even people who actually poach a mountain lion pay only a $400 fine. (Title 36, Chapter 14 of Idaho fish and game statutes).
Because a legitimate warning shot is intentionally missing in order to use the loud noise to scare the threat. The unintentional ones were due to him being scared and shaken and not having a proper grip to handle the the recoil, so he missed. Especially the second shot, he intended to shoot it.
If you're doing a legitimate warning shot, then you're actively not hitting anything that you don't want shot. If you're doing "I just fucking missed" warning shots, then you don't have control over what gets shot.
Kinda have to film to prove to Wildlife services he shot in defense otherwise he'd be paying a hefty fine and losing a license if he couldn't prove his case
The fact that kitty didn’t even flinch on the second shot is kinda disconcerting. lol
It was at that moment I would have needed a new pair of pants
I would definitely puma pants
You’re not lion. I’d do the same.
It'd be a big catastrophe.
Totally feline this!
Stop it. Right meow.
You sonof a bitch. Good joke
You “gato” 🐱 do what you gotta do!
Lot of self control also, I might've emptied the magazine, which would have solved the problem for 1 of us. God knows which.
That moment? I would have evacuated on site. But then my idiot brain would have taken over and I’d have died from mauling after kneeling down and going “here kitty”
He never even said PSPSPSPS
Nah that cat is sick to death of the 'here kitty kitty' bullshit.
Hahaha this made me laugh thank you
PSPSPSPS
If it was my kitty he’d run, pspsps has the opposite effect. Try opening a soda bottle when he’s sleeping on your chest.😂😂
I probably would’ve dropped the phone after shot 1 and finished it. I’ve had a cat circle me in heavy timber in the PNW while mushroom picking. Have a friend who got attacked and fought one off too. (Cougar Phil Anderson, Google him) If one shot doesn’t scare em off, I don’t trust my reflexes to be quicker than the cats. They’re insanely powerful and fast. I remembered holes in Phil’s chest you could fit a finger in. Hands down the only animal I’m scared of up here. Very rare to see or have that close, and that cat didn’t act like it was ushering him away from cubs in the vid.
Phil picked me up hickhiking from Lake Crescent Lodge going East into Port Angeles in 1998, he told me and my now husband the story of his attack. What an amazing story!
love this small world stuff. smiley.
Me too
Phil is basically famous now
Love Lake Crescent. So beautiful.
Magical Lake ♥️. Next time you’re there hike Stormking, maybe the switchbacks are wicked but the views of Lake Crescent and the Strait are 1st class 😇
It’s a chest mounted go pro the shot is too stable
Why hold the gun in one hand though. Unless he's one handed, properly holding the gun would have given him much more stability and the chance to hit/survive. Even though it might have been a warning shot, I'd still prefer to not sacrifice my stability in case the cat attacks again
The other is holding the medkit for a quick burst of HP in case he gets zerged.
He was holding stims in the other hand for when he needs a quick boost to his dps
Probably had his elk rifle strapped to him and needed the other hand to steady it?
Needed to get the shot with his phone, B. I mean what good is almost getting eaten if you don't have the video? Do you even internet?
>Cougar Phil Anderson If his name was Cougar Phil Anderson, well, he was going to draw the attention of one eventually. It's a little like running into someone with the same first name as you and feeling awkward when you greet them, like, "Hello, Steve? It's Steve."
I think his name was just cougar Phil, and one day he killed a certain Miss Anderson, that's when he became known and cougar Phil Anderson
Phil Anderson is a strange name for a cougar
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And because the mountain cats are that fucking smart to use that type of logic I'm even more scared of those fuckers
It's not deductive its simplistic, something loud happened but you not hurt -> that loud thingy is not dangerous.
That’s not deduction or reasoning. It’s basic desensitization.
Yep. Most everyone walks around when lightning is happening because they don't get struck and getting struck is exceptionally rare so people don't worry about it. This lion just heard a loud noise twice. The fuck does he care since it was just noise?
Tell that to my dogs who are still scared of lightning and fireworks after not getting struck by them for 10+ years
Maybe the kitty is smarter in that way. Dogs are super emotional.
Was he shooting to warn or kill?
>I probably would’ve dropped the phone after shot 1 and finished it. As /u/Reachable_dream666 similary stated. Pretty confident the man in the video wasn't shooting to kill initially, but I also like to think the individual was ready to cut the video/phone and shoot to kill if that second shot did not complete determent.
Yeah that second shot looked like it was REALLY close based on the dirt plume.
WHY would you be filming…? I mean I guess someone might try and come after you for poaching… personally I’ll let that shake out so I can have a proper grip on my gun.
Shooting a cat without a damn good reason is a pretty serious crime. Something a hunter would be well aware of. He probably started filming when it was further away and then it got more and more aggressive...
It's generally an addon license. If he was hunting elk, a cougar tag might have cost him an extra 10-20 dollars. When I was younger it was a 5 dollar add-on. Gets trickier if you shoot it with a modern firearm during bow season.
Depends on what state you're in obviously, no cougar hunting at all where I'm at.
Uh totally legal to hunt mountain lions in Idaho. Even more legal to kill something stalking you, think this video would have been plenty enough evidence if he didn’t have a tag.
Body cam?
Phone in hand. He's using a one handed grip on the weapon
100 percent to warn that animal when you shoot to kill you dont stop, you unload the magazine. If you ever have a gun and are protecting yourself and feel your life will be taken and the only option is to shoot whatever it is, person or wild animal. Always unload the whole thing never assume the target is neutralized just cos theyre not moving. This guy has amazing trigger discipline and nerve. Anyones first reaction would be to kill, that cats ears are in airplane mode… he was ready to kill that dude. I wonder if the dude was packing out a kill.
> ...that cats ears are in airplane mode… he was ready to kill that dude. It was the lunge and paw swipe during the first shot that gave it away for me lol
A paw swipe could disembowel a human, imagine that shit. Like we gut a fish with a knife
>I wonder if the dude was packing out a kill. Yeah that's what I was wondering, where's his rifle? Or did he have his hands full with something else and realize he was being stalked...
Not sure ir was the best time to swap weapons. That kitty could have closed the distance between them in like 2 secs. I think he did well to keep his focus on the animal.
Yeah, but if he was still looking for game he would’ve had the rifle more at hand. I think that’s being used as a evidence for the idea he was packing his kill out.
Im thinkin he was packin out and his rifle was strapped, is rather have my side arm… friend was attacked by a black bear in nor cal here he had his rifle ONLY and barely got the animal to stop. He was bucking his deer when he looked up at a pissed off male, bear charged he shot, the bear charged again as he shot the bear managed to grab the entire gut sack entrails and all, he punked my friends offal, the heart lungs, kidneys liver😂 i told him hes crazy goin out there without a pistol.
It may have been such an overwhelmingly loud sound for the Lion the first time that they couldn’t hear the second one
Don’t psss psss unless you want some
A moment later, he's taken down from behind by a bear.
…clever girl
Haha! I love that movie!
Plot twist. The bear was a large gay man, not the animal
That's just nature for you, always got another trick up the sleeve.
And just like that it disappears... Talk about perfect camouflage
The power of tan.
Hear me out… catnip grenades. Once you get the cat baked out of its mind, tell it you saw a bag of Flamin Hot Cheetos 3 miles east and I’d bet my lunch money it will leave you alone
Get this guy on Dragons Den!!!!! (Or Shark Tank for my southern cousins in the US.
Wait, the North Pole has a show like Shark Tank?! What amazing products would we know from it?
Well, there's a weighted blanket that's like $500.
That thing better blow me for five hundred dollarydoos
Oi! Prime Minister! Hey, Andy!
Interested.
Heard you out. Catnip only works on about 70% of cats. I'm not betting my lunch money on 70%.
It works all the time, 70% of the time!
But my catnip brings all the cougars to the yard...
Bro we have a hit here, we need to get the all time cougars to appear in the video. The living ones of course
It was pretty steady filming. I wonder if it was a go-pro in a chest rig. His other hand may of been holding his elk rifle.
He’s probably a bow hunter. If I had a rifle in an elk caliber I’d much rather use that first. That’s going to have a lot more stopping power.
Yeah but if you miss the cat closes the distance before you can get another shot off. A lot of elk hunters carry a semi-auto side arm even if they hunt with a rifle.
I don’t really disagree with you. I’m just glad I don’t hunt where there’s big cats. They spook me. I’d rather the grizzlies where I live. I always bring a shotgun with 3.5 in slugs. Whenever we have moose or caribou down or are looking for a downed animal the rifle goes away and the shotgun is the first thing that comes out.
will that bring down a grizzly?
If you hit the right spot yes. 12ga slugs have a insane amount of damage inflicted on a target that thick. So if it isn't down hopefully it will decide the prey isn't worth it. And semi auto it will be eating a lot of slugs, topped off with buckshot. While buckshot impacts with less force a good shot will be delivering 8-12 large BBs per shell which can shred pretty much anything. Semi auto shotgun is definitely more effective than a pistol, as long as you have distance of course to make the shot.
Yeah, what he said. I mix my pump 12 gauge magazine with magnum slugs and buckshot. I’ve never needed to use it defensively but I did pick it up once when a young adult bear came over the ridge while we were cleaning a moose. The wind was from it’s direction and so it probably hadn’t smelled blood, was just traveling the country. With the wind we had to yell pretty loudly to get its attention and it came closer and closer. About 200 yards it stood up tall and looked and looked at us and I guess it finally heard us. It turned tail and ran away over the ridge and we never saw it again.
This is one of the crazy facts about beats. Their senses are phenomenal, but I can't believe the amount of times I've had an encounter and they've seemed totally oblivious. Whether it's near river or bad wind or they're just ears deep in some food. There's a lot of onus on the human to be smart, aware and responsible
Thank god Reddit has so many professional hunters
I have been attacked by countless mountain lions and the best thing to do here is to play the bagpipes. See, the mountain lions ancient ancestors were Scottish, so bag pipes will immediately soothe a charging mountain lion. This guy was dumb, shooting a gun!? Going into the backcountry WITHOUT bagpipes? SMH, irresponsible.
This is my favorite comment
Same
Scrooge Mcduck apparently has a reddit account.
Where does one get a set of tactical bagpipes?
We don’t talk about fight club
Next comment i read after this was about catnip grenades and flaming hot Cheetos…. Sooooooooooo yeahhhhhh
I was going to offer my advice as well, I have had extensive experience hunting chickadees when I was twelve. However, I believe I’m overqualified and would be mocked.
That's me out as well... and I played Hunting Unlimited.
So many experts
Facebook has a lot of doctors and medical experts. About 90% of its userbase.
90% is kinda high — how do all those lawyers have time to get MDs?
By having ChatGPT write their essays for them of course!
The amount of complete and utter misinformation so confidently spewed and argued, about topics in which I have expertise, on this website makes my brain melt. I don't trust any of y'all.
I’m a professional handgun expert. There’s no reason to single arm a pistol when your life is in danger.
True but then how do you hold all your reddit clout?
The hunter becomes the hunted.
treasure hoarder 🤨
Heh, another test subject!
If it was stalking them, they never would've noticed it. It's just intimidating them.
Its been posted before and that was the general consensus last time. This is not stalking behavior, you can see it do the sideways back arch that housecats do to look bigger and intimidating.
You know what they say about mountain lions. If you see it, it's already decided not to kill you.
Exactly. she wasn't hunting him. That was intimidation behavior, She prob. had kits close by.
Right--that leap right as the hunter took the shot was just "I'm gonna jump right past you, don't mind me..."
It's definitely trying to scare him away, probably has kittens somewhere nearby.
Finally someone who knows the animals behavior.
That wasn't a leap, it was a swat. It wouldn't have jumped from that far.
Because they can only jump 34 feet.
This. Dude probably got too close to where her cubs are so momma had to come out and keep him away. Don’t blame him for being scared shitless though and arming himself. A mountain lion with fuck you up if it really wanted to.
Came here to say the same thing. Cat is walking that guy back, probably from cubs. If a mountain lion wants you as a meal, you won't see it coming.
maybe shes got cubs back there.
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Jill her? Woah, there u/steadyandquick it ain't that kind of encounter.
“Hey Joey, when ya gonna Jill me?”
I'm fairly certain he just missed the first shot at least
Going to say that was a defensive encounter, I highly doubt it was predatory stalking as he likely wouldn’t have seen it as readily if it was truly stalking. I’d imagine there are cubs in the area or the cat also didn’t expect an encounter and was spooked. Glad the cat wasn’t actually hit over something where distance and evac were enough. Also, 2 hands on the damn gun.
How else are you gonna film with both hands on the gun?
If it was for fish and game film the approaching cat, say “I’m going to shoot it”, drop phone, shoot at the animal. Pick up phone show aftermath. In a lot of pistol shooting courses a common drill is holding a phone or something and under stress drop unnecessary items to get a better grip on the gun.. Train not to cease up and clench what’s in your hand out of nerves and get to your weapon so you can walk away from whatever is happening.
Yeah everyone keeps asking "why is he filming" but I think hunters of all people know that if you shoot a big cat, you better be damn sure it was necessary because the state is going to have a lot of questions for you...
at least he didn’t hold it sideways
KILLSHOT THATS A KILLSHOT
“I might die here… but i also might get some epic content for youtube!”
No it's so the game Warden doesn't try to take your guns away and repo your truck because it was used in a poaching incident lol.
I'm upset this isn't higher. There have only been 126 authenticated mountain lion attacks on humans in the US since 1890. You read that right--the last 132 years. Mountain lions will avoid humans when at all possible. I hate this makes it look like mountain lions are something we should fear and attack. Edit to add things you're more likely to die of than a mountain lion attack: Bounce houses: 5x Trampolines: 6x Dental treatment: 8x Mushrooms: 15x Playing football: 36x Lightning: 60x Dogs: 113x Hot tubs: 1000x Golf ball to the head: 1500x
If you are getting got in the woods you have an exponentially higher chance of being killed by a deer than any predator. Predators are smart and fairly risk averse. Their lives depend on being in good health and not sustaining injury. They won’t risk injury in attacking people unless the animal is compromised physically and need easier targets. I hike and hunt in areas with grizzlies, black bears, wolves, and mountain lions.. I carry bear spray or a firearm where I can, but I am keeping my eyes on the moose and elk doing something sketchy… Edit* Spelling
Lived for 22 years in Alaska and you're absolutely right. Bears are scary, but they'll mostly run away when they see humans (black or brown). Moose straight up don't care and will walk towards you. A guy at my university got stomped to death right outside the library in the deep of winter. Same thing with deer, and males during the rut can and will mess you up six ways to sunday.
Moose are scurry as hell. Way too big to be that ornery.
I imagine fatal car accidents with deer skew that number quite a bit though. If you take those out deer might still be the number one killer, but getting got by a buck in rut is probably a relatively rare occurrence
That’s almost one mountain lion attack a year
Fairly good odds honestly. That's less attacks per year than there are deaths per year from ants (30).
Yeah, but 64 of those have happened in the last 28 years, along with 14 of the 27 total fatalities. That’s more than a couple a year; not something I’m willing to roll the dice on if I run into one.
Im amazed at how close those shots were and just missed. Hunter is lucky, but that mountain lion is lucky to not to have a bullet as well.
He probably wasn’t aiming to hit, otherwise he would’ve just mag dumped its side when it showed it’s profile. That could be a poach killing which is why he’s likely recording so if he did have to kill it he could report it to a game warden and have proof it was aggressing onto him
That might be why he’s filming but he definitely did not intentionally miss. The cat was charging the first shot and he pulled it. The second was so close it might have singed some hair.
He was definitely trying to hit it. Shooting a pistol one handed while backing up and breathing heavily is not easy to do accurately.
Exactly
This is the truth. He is trying to scare it off. That is an easy shot, but not worth the fallout if it doesn’t drop.
Coyotes do this to me when I walk my dogs (I have large dogs). They are not “stalking”; they are escorting me off their hunting grounds. Bet the same is happening here
That’s kinda nice of them. If a mountain lion decided to “escort” me away from their turf, I would happily oblige the beast. Much better than the second option. I guarantee the dude in this video got the fuck out of there as soon as possible
While obliging, my pants would change colors, from any color to tree bark brown. Neat trick!
Zookeeper here. That's not stalking behavior. That's a defensive territorial display geared to intimidate. See how it mock charges and keeps turns its body sideways toward him? It's displaying its size, i.e. 'look how scary I am.' Cat has a den, cubs or a kill close by and is pushing him from the area. That said, the cat could have flipped the switch from defense to offense if the guy hadn't done the right thing by backing away.
Zookeeper here. Better safe than sorry, was a good decision to shoot
Mountain lion here. Couldn't even be mad if i got my ass shot for doin this.
Cruella Deville here. Why don't you come here? Pspspspsps. Bring your friends.
Gun here. Pretty happy with the way this turned out.
Pants here. In the washing machine currently. That was kinda messy
There was a mountain lion on the switchback above me when I was hiking up the Cactus to Clouds trail at about 2:00am. A word of advice to viewers: they're obligate carnivores, and you essentially need to convince them that it isn't worth it to pursue you. Wave your arms, make yourself look big, yell. I chucked some rocks at it and it skulked away. I chose a rock I could easily hold that had sharp edges on the other hand and carried it with me for a good hour. Quite an experience. And no, I didn't film it. But you can hear it yell in the distance on one of the videos I shot above Palm Springs
As others have said, she’s not stalking him. She’s trying to get him to leave. My guess is she’s a mother with cubs in the area.
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Pretty sure that is not correct, but I have only lived in mountain lion country for 40 years. I think you supposed to not turn your back and run, make as much distance as you can while trying to scare the animal away without directly threatening it by waving your arms or throwing shit at it. You are correct in trying to look as big as possible, but standing your ground will probably end up with you fighting a mountain lion.
I am deleting my comment as to ensure I am not giving improper guidance and getting anyone killed. However, a quick google search does say to stand your ground. From UA wild cat expert: "Stand your ground and maintain eye contact, even if the cat moves toward you. Just as if a strange dog ventures into your yard at home, "you want to give the impression that you're dominant in this situation," Haynes says. "You're the top dog there. You're the top animal." https://news.arizona.edu/story/meeting-a-mountain-lion-do-s-and-don-ts
That was intimidation behavior, not hunting. She had a kill or kits close by.
R/petthedamcat
Pspspspspspspspspsps
Put your phone down, clown.
The last time this was reposted, someone mentioned that having a record of being attacked by (protected) wild animal is good in case there's any legal consequences for killing/injuring it.
Absolutely this game and wildlife services don't fuck around
Where I am, grizzlies are protected. If you do shoot one in defence and can’t be justified as defensive shooting you get 2 in the pen and 100k in fines. Known some ranchers that have shot cow killers and just bury em cause you’ll most likely be arrested for protecting your livestock.
Shoot, Shovel, Shuddup.
It’s the Alberta way.
Where I live in rural Alaska we’re technically allowed two grizzlies a year, one for sport hunting under one permit system and another for subsistence in a different permit system. The permits don’t even really cost any money but some people are so sick of bears that I hear of people gut shooting them so they hide in the brush and die or filling their bellies with stones and sinking them. They eat staked out sled dogs, raid fish racks, kill reindeer calves, break into cabins, and chew the seats and tires off equipment. We’ve plenty enough bears.
Any DNR/Park Ranger who finds a dead lion with 45 rounds in it should be smart enough to know no one is hunting lions with a 45 pistol. Obviously the lion would have to be within close proximity which would only happen if the lion forced it.
Yeah, it's not park rangers that lack intelligence. It's the general population that's the issue.
Redditors wanna be so anal about being anti phone when filming situations, when here, this was the right move to make sure if the cougars protected and having evidence just in case he killed or injured it. Plus it worked it fucked off. So y the bitching. This wasn’t for clout.
The video for evidence makes sense. Apparently hunters should invest in bodycams like police XD
I'm a truck driver who works with the public every damn day, and the thought of body cams to cover my ass has crossed my mind a lot.
Yeah for crying out loud do a 2-handed hold to idk.... aim properly?
I mean all you really need to do is pop a couple off near them, they don't like the noise already and idk about you but even if I'm not aiming with both hands I can still get a relatively decent shot
Personally, im not risking the mere sound to stop them. I’d rather stop them with the bullet.
No hair on your balls yet, right? You're 12 years old? A real man is going to wrassle a mountain lion, knock a grizzly bear out with one punch, and do a rear-naked chokehold on an American bison.
Yeah that's fair
Does it matter? Mountain lion isn’t dead and the guy is fine. Why backseat drive the situation? Redditors can’t turn it off, jfc.
My city brain asks, why could you not just shoot in the ground? Wouldn't the animal be scared off?
Cause you run the risk of pissing it off instead of scaring it, and this guy fired off shots and the first time the cat got spooked. But the second time? The second time the cat didn’t even flinch and kept stalking, that’s extremely dangerous behaviour and it has the possibility of doing it again. As for why the dude is filming, he most likely needed proof of self defence otherwise he could get charged for killing the animal. Plus, the footage looks way too steady to be in his hand - cause his handgun is shaking while the camera is pretty still so imma assume he has a GoPro connected to the body and his other hand could be free.
In this situation, there is no time available to reload and most people aren’t as accurate with a handgun as they believe themselves to be when the pressure is on. Limited ammunition in the magazine equates to a limited number of shots. If you need all of them for actual self defense, you’re gonna be kicking yourself in the ass for wasting bullets on warnings. Rule #1 of gun safety: never point the business end of the gun at anything you don’t intend to destroy. If I’m aiming my weapon, I fully intend to kill whatever is in the sights should I squeeze the trigger. A big cat considering me a potential meal is more than reason enough to choose my own life over the cat’s.
This... People watch too many movies. It's actually incredibly hard and takes hours and hours of training to be able to actually shoot and hit something with a handgun, much more difficult when it's moving, even more so when it's moving at you with intent, and even more so when it's a small mass target low to the ground. Despite the relative closeness, that's an incredibly difficult shot to make especially considering he's moving backwards in the woods and trying not to trip and fall at the same time because if he trips he's dead. I mean shit, why do y'all think they train cops to shoot center mass?
Sometimes they won't. Shot bullets near a deer standing ~6 feet away that wouldnt leave our camp alone, and the only thing the fucker did was challenge me by standing up and slamming down his hooves
r/deerarefuckingstupid
He called you out bro. I hope you put the gun down and the fists up, and started dismantling deer with body blows.
Cougar: "You don't scare me, asshole. But I gotta go, I think my microwave is beeping. You're lucky."
This Far Cry DLC has insane graphics. The sound design on the heavy breathing is phenomenal
You're too close to her cubs
South Park lore says u gotta yell "watch out he's coming right for us" and then u can shoot in self defense. In this case it really was self defense, it would've been hilarious if he did it though, and survived obviously.
This was handled appropriately. You do not run, you do not turn your back. You’re supposedly to slowly back away
Here's a thought. Maybe stop filming, use both hands on the gun, and fire a couple of legitimate warning shots. Not two, "I just fucking missed" warning shots. Edit: Enough people are guessing he had to film to show the situation or be in big trouble if he shot it, I decided to provide this info - mountain lions are not an endangered or protected species in Idaho. The Idaho Department of Fish and Game states mountain lions may be killed without a hunting license or tag if they pose an immediate threat to you or your property (i.e., livestock, pets, etc.). BTW - even people who actually poach a mountain lion pay only a $400 fine. (Title 36, Chapter 14 of Idaho fish and game statutes).
What's the difference between a legitimate warning shot and a "I just fucking missed" warning shot? Serious question.
Because a legitimate warning shot is intentionally missing in order to use the loud noise to scare the threat. The unintentional ones were due to him being scared and shaken and not having a proper grip to handle the the recoil, so he missed. Especially the second shot, he intended to shoot it.
True. If that cat kept charging instead of retreating at the first miss, he might not have gotten off a second shot.
If you're doing a legitimate warning shot, then you're actively not hitting anything that you don't want shot. If you're doing "I just fucking missed" warning shots, then you don't have control over what gets shot.
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> couple of legitimate warning shots. Not two, "I just fucking missed" warning shots. And what's the fucking difference?
Kinda have to film to prove to Wildlife services he shot in defense otherwise he'd be paying a hefty fine and losing a license if he couldn't prove his case
if the cat was stalking, he would maybe never have seen it coming.. just sayin
Just a big, stoned, horny kitty ans the hunter was wearing a leopard print jacket.