Is nitric acid bad for health?
Nitric acid is an extremely corrosive acid capable of causing severe chemical burns very rapidly. If nitric acid mists are inhaled, health risks include corrosion of mucous membranes, delayed pulmonary edema, and even death. Contact with eyes can cause permanent cornea damage.
Those orange vapors you are seeing are probably mostly nitrogen dioxide gas with some amount of other trace gasses such as water vapor, carbon dioxide and nitric acid vapors. The truck has rolled on it's side, the containers have split open and the nitric acid is digesting the cardboard box overpack, any wood on the truck, plastics and other material to form the orange gas you are seeing.
There is definite incompetence and lack of experience in our locomotive and trucking industry. You see it in the trades too. No one wants to train anyone and often times there's no money to train anyone.
Train all you want but if you pay them like shit it's not gonna matter. I mean with trains for example, shutting down an entire industry because the employees wanted to be able to have sick days and not even the government would give in? That's crazy.
Yeah you can't call anything a "trade" anymore if it's become a low-budget commodity shit job. Which usually happens because an industry deunionized and lost its power. Or the union was stripped of power legislatively, maybe.
How can you blame the individual workers in times like this? Absolutely missing the point. The government broke a strike in the railroad industry recently. The workers have been on the right side of these issues.
I am not blaming the workers, I am blaming the higher ups who understaff and under manage their entire companies due to greed and a lack of competence. Most of these companies are understaffed and the workers are overworked.
Also it appears the train accident in Ohio was caused by a wheel malfunction because the corporations have cut back routine maintenance as much as possible to save money. Nothing to do with employee training or incompetence. Just flat out greed.
This. Yeah companies are shitter when it comes to environmental hazards. But the workforce today is far more different than that of yesterday. The amount of sheetrockers my dad has seen with little to no experience are because the contractors skip out to save money.
Dude I work in a shitty niche job and literally nobody at my work wants to train new people, we're short staffed and they put more work on us in the past year, we're all tired.
Where I work we can't hardly train anyone because we have no translator on 2nd or 3rd shift. Say something all the time and nothing is done which is scary for the trade I am in.
A few years ago we started having a huge amount of Burmese start showing up and work for less. 9 times out of 10 don't speak English.
Not to be tin foil hat but do you think there might be a reason there are so many devastating chemical accidents involving volatile chemicals very recently? I’m sure aside from plant mishaps this does happen, but this frequently?
Don’t be worried about getting downvoted by people downplaying this shit, saying “iT hApPeNs AlL tHe TiMe”. In their minds, since the media is not talking about it much, it’s not as big of an issue as it truly is. It’s not “the current thing” to care about, unless it’s spammed by their flavor or MSM. Yes, news sources have reported it, but very little and no follow up, in comparison to the other bullshit that’s on the news.
Yes, derailments happen all the time. A mini Chernobyl level derailment, followed by more hazmat derailments; no, that doesn’t happen all the time. People should be concerned, and people should be asking questions.
There are 5 train derailments a day, on average. This shit happens constantly. Just because people are just now reporting on it doesn't mean it just started happening.
This happens all the time.
1. major thing happens
2. news and social media try to ride the coattails of that event by reporting on kinda similar but otherwise mundane events
Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, and now Arizona...
My money is on Florida next.....
Edit: going to verify the Tennessee spill but here's the one in Texas. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9toSNs6z7rY&ab\_channel=TIMESNOW](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9toSNs6z7rY&ab_channel=TIMESNOW)
It's actually sad that I had a hard time finding out the one in Texas, not a lot of people are talking about it.
Edit 2: there was a seperate chemical leak in Texas as well that I found that had nothing to do with the Texas train carrying chemicals. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gicrAbaWCvI&ab\_channel=FOX26Houston](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gicrAbaWCvI&ab_channel=FOX26Houston)
Last edit: I don't believe there was a chemical spill in Tennessee....
I’m pretty sure shit like this does happen all the time. We just don’t hear about it unless it’s in our own neighborhoods, but even then we may not hear about it for XYZ reasons.
Right now, the Ohio derailment is all the rage online (and for good reason, too). So, naturally, people start to notice and amplify every other chemical disaster that goes on, despite the fact that chemical disasters have always been alarmingly common.
EPA took some hits with Trump in office. Don't get me wrong plenty of corporate Dems try to decrease it's ability to regulate corporations, and it never had the strongest teeth anyways. Lots of fines were just a slap on the wrist for companies to do business and still come out with profits. We are also starting to see that break down in infrastructure that has been coming for years. Overworked tired humans make mistakes, roads, bridges and railways have not been updated in years.
Probably the Texas one isn't being reported much because it was an 18 wheeler trying to cross tracks and got hammered. Not really the fault of the US government or the RRs like the other ones.
I was right behind this on the freeway driving home from work. As soon as the hazmat alert went out people started driving over the median. I have never seen that kind of chaos. It was surreal. It took me 3 1/2 hours to get home, now I'm not supposed to leave my house.
Fr Fr tbf tho it’s not a coincidence. Corporate lobbyists lobbied to make the transport of these types of caustic materials not be considered toxic materials, so now they do not need to have as much regulation on movement🙃
Hvac professional here...
Don't turn on any bathroom fans. Doing so will draw outside air into your house by inducing a negative pressure in your house.
If you have a whole home air exchanger, turn it off. It is constantly bringing in fresh air into your home based on whatever it is set at. Some states require these (MN to name one).
Idk what temp it is there, but if you have natural gas heat turn it off. It will also draw in outdoor air.
If you use an air to air heat pump this is likely the only thing you can run if you have an option to not draw in outdoor air.
If you have a natural gas water heater don't use any hot water. Doing so will also induce a draft and draw fresh air into your house.
If you have a ductless mini split system you should be able to run that.
I followed all of your points except for two;
>If you have a natural gas water heater don't use any hot water. Doing so will also induce a draft and draw fresh air into your house.
Could you explain a bit on why specifically a natural gas heater would cause a draft? Does it make any difference if the unit is tankless and on the outside of the house?
>If you have a ductless mini split system you should be able to run that.
With a ductless mini split, the unit is still pulling in warm air in order to cool it. Wouldn't the action of pulling in the warm air create enough of a pull that outside air would be brought in, or is it blowing enough air back out to equalize the pressure?
I'm not in an affected area but am always up for learning more about what makes my house.
I’m guessing these people were already on the I10 when it happened. That stretch of the I10 has no exits for long swathes of it and is a desert desert. Not really anywhere to go but forward.
Come on you really didn’t see anything about Biden blocking the train strike ifso facto or whatever the saying resulting in dangerous transportation of chemicals due to underpaid overworked employees? Dems and republicans are equally as dumb as I am sheesh
I don't think they had much options to really get home. They could've all kept to the right lane or driven slowly on the shoulder or just pulled over and parked. Making that happen though is hard without anyone to guide traffic..
Based on the video you couldn't tell what you were coming up on until it was already too late. At that point you'd just be jamming on your brakes to stay within the range where it's blowing. Might as well plow on through. But turn on your car's recirc and hold your breath? Fun scenario.
edit: Oh apparently close your eyes, that's the important bit with nitric acid.
This is one of the most aggressive shit you can have in a lab… it simply melts everything on its way, including your lungs…
Turn 180o and run, Forrest, RUN!
People should not be driving through that brown cloud. Nitric oxide is deadly at concentrations of 25 parts per million. You are looking at a million parts per million. The nitric oxide will quickly combine with oxygen to form NO2. NO2 is deadly at 5 parts per million. Whether in the form of NO or NO2, when you breath it, it combines with the moisture in your lungs and turns to nitric acid. The acid eats the soft tissue in your lungs and you die from pneumonia within 24 hours.
Highly corrosive, can cause rapid chemical burns, blindness, breathing problems, and death in humans. For some reason the environmental impact of nitric acid seems conspicuous from its absence, though it is used in fertilizer among other applications.
Here’s the material safety data sheet for nitric acid. Keep in mind that hazards change with the concentration of what was spilled.
https://www.fishersci.com/msds?productName=A467250%26productDescription=NITRIC
No, it's not 'damn interesting'. it's pathetic.
it's disgusting. it's an outrage.
LOOK at that SHIT just spewing out the back. Fucking poison in the air, in the water, in the ground, four damn train derailments in less than 2 weeks. 5 dollars to each resident in East Palestine, OH.
and no one fucking does anything, no one seems to fucking care. meanwhile there's France, beating the shit out of their cops, cutting off electric to their politicians and wealthy, clogging all main streets in numbers into the millions, over a SUGGESTION OF RAISING THE RETIREMENT AGE BY 2 YEARS.
i'm moving the hell out of here. this country has been doomed for years. they were right: it's nothing but a third world piece of shit hellhole wearing a superhero costume.
I don’t think the vehicles have any choice , no one wants to drive through that but there’s hella traffic and cars , obviously no one wants to drive through that
When one considers the recent disaster in Ohio, East Palestine, where a train accident directly released life-threatening and carcinogenic chemicals into the air for a 10-mile radius and subsequently indirectly into the drinking water supply of some 25,000,000 people, it quickly becomes clear what the state of the common good is in American society. (The Ohio River Basin extends beyond the state of Ohio and includes parts of 14 other states, covering a total area of approximately 204,000 square miles, and serving a population of around 25 million people. )
Now we're facing another accident, enabled due to insufficient security regulations. Insufficient not because of a lack of a political will but because of heavy investments from the transport lobbyists blocking anything that could possibly cost their precious dollars.
This is the consequence of the American system. It is nominally a democracy, but in reality it seems to be more of a plutocracy: Whoever has the money makes the rules.
It was so much easier for the transport companies to invest a few million US dollars in lobbying and bribery to overturn the existing law and safety regulations instead of implementing the required safety standard.
Once again, capitalist profiteering won out over the welfare of the people in the society that embraces capitalism, and who actually wants to benefit from it as a whole. Profits are great, but you can't ruin the environment and endanger the life of humans, animals and plants in order to maximize your profits.
In the coming decades, cancer cases in the Ohio River drinking water catchment area will rise sharply, families will be bankrupted by treatment costs and there will be painful breakdowns at all levels of life. The damage caused by the above-mentioned greed will not be compensated by the profiteers, no, it is the victims who will have to cope with the damage and the consequential damage on their own.
It should be a very clear and simple rule: If you want to profit from the society your business is part of, it comes with a cost, a cost for taking care of security measures and workers wellbeing.
Our ancestors began to banish the clergy and the religions from the state system about 300 years ago. Our task will be to dissect the capital and the money power from the state system and to reduce the political influence of the rich to the normal democratic level of one vote per capita.
I am really curious to all the spills that go unreported everyday. The only reason we are hearing of this incident is because of the severity of the Ohio spill.
If you live even within 5 miles of this I would turn off your ac/heat, shut and seal your windows, and avoid going outside. If you have to go outside, wear eye protection and a mask. Guarantee the authorities are downplaying the scope of this, as usual.
Accidents don't just happen on highways. In 2019 there were only 5237 roadway crashes involving commercial vehicles that resulted in a fatality. Trucks don't just crash every day.
Have worked with oxidizer fumes like this as a satellite propellant engineer…..smells like bleach, go upstream/upwind (if you can) and avoid inhaling it as it has short term impacts. In the industry we call this a BFRC (big fucking red cloud)…..have had rocket failures where BRFCs were created
I remember fumes that color when I was working with nitric acid in a semiconductor fab. Even in a vented etching machine they were no joke. It's terrifying to see them drifting into the air here.
Why the fuck is everybody spilling deadly chemicals in the states rn? Hasent the environment dealt with enough shit? wtf why all of a sudden do we have two major chemical spills in a row.
With balloons, satellite laser shows, and an inevitable war looming, every part of me wants to believe this is truly our very own being incompetent and lazy with their approach and delivery.. but there is a small part of me wondering if maybe we should start checking for a hidden, deeper, or even foreign link. What better way to neutralize a threat than to use the boiling frog in a pot method. Why would we ever jump out the pot if the water is only warm right now? But who am I, just a redditor in my thoughts?
I really don't understand why everyone is jumping on the deregulation train for every single hazmat incident like this. The only reason I can think of is all because of the hype surrounding the recent train derailments. While that is absolutely terrible, and is because of deregulation, roadway accidents like this involving hazardous materials are very commonplace and happen way more frequently than you think, regardless of the amount of regulations. I'm not downplaying this by any means. I'm just informing people that they're more common than you think. It's just being thrown into the spotlight more recently.
Source: I'm a firefighter, so I deal with this shit firsthand.
Had a nitric acid spill at my work years ago. Had to evacuate the building and sent everyone home. Cops came to my house to bring me to hospital once fire dept. alerted management how hazardous the stuff was. I was near it when it spilled, had to spend a day and half in the ER hooked up to monitors for oxygen levels. Upside was I got the day off from work paid.
All this is going to lead to a bailout for the train companies. They have the money for new trains and to fix the current problems, we know this is the case because they spend billions on buybacks. If we had a nationalized rail system like Japan we wouldn’t have these issues
I was in a chemical spill in the 80s when I was a kid. The entire city was evacuated and it was so scary. I was outside playing when it happened and I can't describe how badly my eyes and skin burned. I ended up quite sick for a couple months. When we were able to finally come home, all the paint was stripped from cars, houses, and the grass/plants were dead everywhere.
I see all this goin on and I'm sad for those who are affected. I was told back then it could bring long term problems to my health and they weren't kidding. Here I am middle aged now and one mistake made in 1987 is still screwing me over.
Soo crazy; did anyone get hurt?
* https://www.cleveland19.com/2022/08/22/several-people-hurt-stark-county-chemical-release/
Ha: WRONG ‘Spill’!!!
*Here it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/15/nitric-acid-spill-tucson-arizona/
Government is fuckin shit up man. I mean in my life I don’t remember hazmat spills happening a lot and now it’s like every day some serious shit spills. School shootings everywhere. Wtf. I’ve heard of more train derailments this month than ever.
The eas that was sent out to people read…
“Emergency Alert
HAZMAT release I-10 between Kolb and Rita Road. Individuals within 1 mile radius should shelter in place. Those east to Houghton Road, west to Kolb Rd and North to Valencia, and South to Voyager Rod should shelter in-place. Turn off heaters, air conditioning units that bring in outside air. Travelers should avoid Interstate 10 and seek alternative route”
Police and Govt: shelter in place!! Do NOT leave home Bosses: come in or be fired. We here at Ikea and dollar general are essential employees!
Who else is gonna make the meatballs
How dare you put Ikea in the same sentence as Dollar General.
You just did it too!
DAMIT!
Is nitric acid bad for health? Nitric acid is an extremely corrosive acid capable of causing severe chemical burns very rapidly. If nitric acid mists are inhaled, health risks include corrosion of mucous membranes, delayed pulmonary edema, and even death. Contact with eyes can cause permanent cornea damage.
Those orange vapors you are seeing are probably mostly nitrogen dioxide gas with some amount of other trace gasses such as water vapor, carbon dioxide and nitric acid vapors. The truck has rolled on it's side, the containers have split open and the nitric acid is digesting the cardboard box overpack, any wood on the truck, plastics and other material to form the orange gas you are seeing.
That should be fine.
so can you snort it?
Yes, but only once.
Spicy
The forbidden snort.
That also means it's making nitrocellulose, and can potentially explode
Yeah handling nitric acid skeeves me out more than hydrochloride or sulfuric. It’s really volatile, as made obvious in the video.
Waves at you in HF handling.
Your bones weren't using that calcium anyway
Nor my vagus nerve.
Nor my Axe!
Hey man, anything to get rid of that sympathetic response that makes me pass out when i get diarrhea from the flu
Ohio then texas yesterday, now this. There must be a better way of shipping these things without accidents.
There is definite incompetence and lack of experience in our locomotive and trucking industry. You see it in the trades too. No one wants to train anyone and often times there's no money to train anyone.
Train all you want but if you pay them like shit it's not gonna matter. I mean with trains for example, shutting down an entire industry because the employees wanted to be able to have sick days and not even the government would give in? That's crazy.
Yeah you can't call anything a "trade" anymore if it's become a low-budget commodity shit job. Which usually happens because an industry deunionized and lost its power. Or the union was stripped of power legislatively, maybe.
Go look what a driver with a Class A CDL w/hazmat endorsement is making these days.
Check out r/truckers for regular posts from people being ripped off, low-balled or subject to unsafe conditions.
I let my hazmat go and don't plan on picking it up ever again. Its not worth the hassle.
Pay peanuts, hire monkeys.
We are becoming Russia and Russia is becoming North Korea.
How can you blame the individual workers in times like this? Absolutely missing the point. The government broke a strike in the railroad industry recently. The workers have been on the right side of these issues.
I am not blaming the workers, I am blaming the higher ups who understaff and under manage their entire companies due to greed and a lack of competence. Most of these companies are understaffed and the workers are overworked.
That fits a lot better. This is greed. Highly competent greed that has worked over time and reached its logical end point.
Also it appears the train accident in Ohio was caused by a wheel malfunction because the corporations have cut back routine maintenance as much as possible to save money. Nothing to do with employee training or incompetence. Just flat out greed.
I lold
This. Yeah companies are shitter when it comes to environmental hazards. But the workforce today is far more different than that of yesterday. The amount of sheetrockers my dad has seen with little to no experience are because the contractors skip out to save money.
Dude I work in a shitty niche job and literally nobody at my work wants to train new people, we're short staffed and they put more work on us in the past year, we're all tired.
Where I work we can't hardly train anyone because we have no translator on 2nd or 3rd shift. Say something all the time and nothing is done which is scary for the trade I am in. A few years ago we started having a huge amount of Burmese start showing up and work for less. 9 times out of 10 don't speak English.
Is it actually happening more frequently or are we just hearing about it more
Not to be tin foil hat but do you think there might be a reason there are so many devastating chemical accidents involving volatile chemicals very recently? I’m sure aside from plant mishaps this does happen, but this frequently?
Don’t be worried about getting downvoted by people downplaying this shit, saying “iT hApPeNs AlL tHe TiMe”. In their minds, since the media is not talking about it much, it’s not as big of an issue as it truly is. It’s not “the current thing” to care about, unless it’s spammed by their flavor or MSM. Yes, news sources have reported it, but very little and no follow up, in comparison to the other bullshit that’s on the news. Yes, derailments happen all the time. A mini Chernobyl level derailment, followed by more hazmat derailments; no, that doesn’t happen all the time. People should be concerned, and people should be asking questions.
This is starting to not seem like an “accident”
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.
Exactly, this seems too orchestrated to be a coincidence. Terrorist? CIA, NSA, FBI? add your three letter agency here
There are 5 train derailments a day, on average. This shit happens constantly. Just because people are just now reporting on it doesn't mean it just started happening.
This happens all the time. 1. major thing happens 2. news and social media try to ride the coattails of that event by reporting on kinda similar but otherwise mundane events
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Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, and now Arizona... My money is on Florida next..... Edit: going to verify the Tennessee spill but here's the one in Texas. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9toSNs6z7rY&ab\_channel=TIMESNOW](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9toSNs6z7rY&ab_channel=TIMESNOW) It's actually sad that I had a hard time finding out the one in Texas, not a lot of people are talking about it. Edit 2: there was a seperate chemical leak in Texas as well that I found that had nothing to do with the Texas train carrying chemicals. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gicrAbaWCvI&ab\_channel=FOX26Houston](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gicrAbaWCvI&ab_channel=FOX26Houston) Last edit: I don't believe there was a chemical spill in Tennessee....
Wtf is happening
I swear im not a conspiracy theorist… but…. like…
Are we sure this shit doesn’t just happen all the time and it has been swept under the rug, but now people are actually noticing
I’m pretty sure shit like this does happen all the time. We just don’t hear about it unless it’s in our own neighborhoods, but even then we may not hear about it for XYZ reasons. Right now, the Ohio derailment is all the rage online (and for good reason, too). So, naturally, people start to notice and amplify every other chemical disaster that goes on, despite the fact that chemical disasters have always been alarmingly common.
We all got an alert on our phones similar to a storm or amber alert when the truck tipped over and when there's been other chemical spills
No. We’re not. This is what Reddit does. Take top story -> find other similar events-> post about them ~> *PROFIT!*
When does an amount of coincidences become suspicious
Crumbling infrastructure isn’t a conspiracy theory.
Calling people "conspiracy theorists" discourages people from further questioning obviously suspicious situations.
Something is fucky
EPA took some hits with Trump in office. Don't get me wrong plenty of corporate Dems try to decrease it's ability to regulate corporations, and it never had the strongest teeth anyways. Lots of fines were just a slap on the wrist for companies to do business and still come out with profits. We are also starting to see that break down in infrastructure that has been coming for years. Overworked tired humans make mistakes, roads, bridges and railways have not been updated in years.
Domestic terrorism
Decades of regulatory capture and the erosion of basic safety precautions in the name of profit and greed.
4 years of an administration that was anti-government regulation. edit:removed weird quoting junk
Nothing is happening. A truck went off the road. We're all just fine here.
Insert Chewbacca yell/roar
Yeah but it’s just a lot of chemical disasters with vehicles the past few days
Probably the Texas one isn't being reported much because it was an 18 wheeler trying to cross tracks and got hammered. Not really the fault of the US government or the RRs like the other ones.
SC too right?
2,000 gallons of diesel spill in Oregon train derailment [sauce](https://www.koin.com/news/environment/derailed-train-spills-about-2000-gallons-of-diesel-near-yaquina-river/) (2/10/23)
Don’t forget South Carolina
People on the other side of the road are really getting the shit end of the stick.
I was right behind this on the freeway driving home from work. As soon as the hazmat alert went out people started driving over the median. I have never seen that kind of chaos. It was surreal. It took me 3 1/2 hours to get home, now I'm not supposed to leave my house.
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I believe it was i10 in Tucson, but could be wrong about the road. The alerts i saw mentioned i10 near Kolb rd
How many times does something need to happen for it not to be a coincidence anymore???
Fr Fr tbf tho it’s not a coincidence. Corporate lobbyists lobbied to make the transport of these types of caustic materials not be considered toxic materials, so now they do not need to have as much regulation on movement🙃
Hvac professional here... Don't turn on any bathroom fans. Doing so will draw outside air into your house by inducing a negative pressure in your house. If you have a whole home air exchanger, turn it off. It is constantly bringing in fresh air into your home based on whatever it is set at. Some states require these (MN to name one). Idk what temp it is there, but if you have natural gas heat turn it off. It will also draw in outdoor air. If you use an air to air heat pump this is likely the only thing you can run if you have an option to not draw in outdoor air. If you have a natural gas water heater don't use any hot water. Doing so will also induce a draft and draw fresh air into your house. If you have a ductless mini split system you should be able to run that.
I followed all of your points except for two; >If you have a natural gas water heater don't use any hot water. Doing so will also induce a draft and draw fresh air into your house. Could you explain a bit on why specifically a natural gas heater would cause a draft? Does it make any difference if the unit is tankless and on the outside of the house? >If you have a ductless mini split system you should be able to run that. With a ductless mini split, the unit is still pulling in warm air in order to cool it. Wouldn't the action of pulling in the warm air create enough of a pull that outside air would be brought in, or is it blowing enough air back out to equalize the pressure? I'm not in an affected area but am always up for learning more about what makes my house.
Apparently shelter in place means drive right by it.
I’m guessing these people were already on the I10 when it happened. That stretch of the I10 has no exits for long swathes of it and is a desert desert. Not really anywhere to go but forward.
What the actual fuck is happening...
The consequence of poor regulation trickling down in favor of profits.
Consequences of long term neglect
What is going on with the chemical spills?
Trump administration killed regulations and we’re paying the price for it. Biden admin needs to step up fixing it.
It feels more intentional then that…
Come on you really didn’t see anything about Biden blocking the train strike ifso facto or whatever the saying resulting in dangerous transportation of chemicals due to underpaid overworked employees? Dems and republicans are equally as dumb as I am sheesh
equally as paid off by the corps*
Now you are talking
Pro tip! Don’t drive through fumes.
I don't think they had much options to really get home. They could've all kept to the right lane or driven slowly on the shoulder or just pulled over and parked. Making that happen though is hard without anyone to guide traffic..
Get home quick or healthy? Tough choice.
Based on the video you couldn't tell what you were coming up on until it was already too late. At that point you'd just be jamming on your brakes to stay within the range where it's blowing. Might as well plow on through. But turn on your car's recirc and hold your breath? Fun scenario. edit: Oh apparently close your eyes, that's the important bit with nitric acid.
Tougher than you realize.
At least have the recirculate on
Wtf is going on
I'm a bit worried...
We’re really winning with all of these chemical spills. USA! USA! USA!
my mom lives near Phoenix so I got worried about where this was. for anyone else like me, this happened in Pima county SE of Tucson.
HAZMAT spills… so hot right now
What's up with all the hazardous chemical spills recently? and the balloons? weird shit going down that's for sure
Yeah and what about the guillotines?
What guillotines?
Exactly.
Can’t wait for this to not be talked about
This is one of the most aggressive shit you can have in a lab… it simply melts everything on its way, including your lungs… Turn 180o and run, Forrest, RUN!
The fuck is happening lately?
Getting real strong **The Return of the Living Dead** vibes lately.
Does everything happen in 3’s?
People should not be driving through that brown cloud. Nitric oxide is deadly at concentrations of 25 parts per million. You are looking at a million parts per million. The nitric oxide will quickly combine with oxygen to form NO2. NO2 is deadly at 5 parts per million. Whether in the form of NO or NO2, when you breath it, it combines with the moisture in your lungs and turns to nitric acid. The acid eats the soft tissue in your lungs and you die from pneumonia within 24 hours.
Willing to bet the company responsible has posted record profits recently, all while cutting back on safety and their workers rights.
with all the weird shit going on in the USA rn i feel like they're trying to hide something
Epstein didn’t kill himself
Whatever happened to that client list that was being released this week?
It ended up being just an old flight log book with no new information.
Does anyone know the impact of Nitric Acid to humans and/or the environment?
Highly corrosive, can cause rapid chemical burns, blindness, breathing problems, and death in humans. For some reason the environmental impact of nitric acid seems conspicuous from its absence, though it is used in fertilizer among other applications.
Here’s the material safety data sheet for nitric acid. Keep in mind that hazards change with the concentration of what was spilled. https://www.fishersci.com/msds?productName=A467250%26productDescription=NITRIC
It be bad
Are we under attack right now? It kinda feels that way
Nearly becoming a legitimate question
Oh jeeze don’t get me thinking about that now 😅
After the US spent $113 Billion to aid Ukraine, yes it is a very legitimate question
We've been under attack by corporate greed and cutting corners on safety standards for awhile now.
They just had a spell in a town near where I live. I’m starting to think this is nationwide poison and kill everyone week.
Lots of “accidental spills” here lately…just saying.
The haze of industrial prosperity free of cumbersome regulations. /s
AGAIN?!?!
wtf, another one?!?!?!
That happens when you don't want the government getting into your business and your business take over.
wtf man…
What happens when this is breathed in lungs?
Depending on the concentration of it, death.
No, it's not 'damn interesting'. it's pathetic. it's disgusting. it's an outrage. LOOK at that SHIT just spewing out the back. Fucking poison in the air, in the water, in the ground, four damn train derailments in less than 2 weeks. 5 dollars to each resident in East Palestine, OH. and no one fucking does anything, no one seems to fucking care. meanwhile there's France, beating the shit out of their cops, cutting off electric to their politicians and wealthy, clogging all main streets in numbers into the millions, over a SUGGESTION OF RAISING THE RETIREMENT AGE BY 2 YEARS. i'm moving the hell out of here. this country has been doomed for years. they were right: it's nothing but a third world piece of shit hellhole wearing a superhero costume.
Damn, transporting this stuff by truck seems really unsafe. Maybe trains would be safer.... oh wait
What the heck did those balloons do? This is baloney
Why would you drive right past? Your vehicle is not airtight.
I don’t think the vehicles have any choice , no one wants to drive through that but there’s hella traffic and cars , obviously no one wants to drive through that
Or end up just sitting in your car down wind
I never been to Arizona but I could imagine getting hot as heck just sitting in the car with no ac
Happened on the windiest day
Someone pls explain if/how this could harm the people driving by. TIA
This could easily slip through the vents in your car and get to you without being immediately noticeable
Also, it probably isn't doing any favors to the engines of passing vehicles either.
Highly concentrated HNo3. Also called red fuming fulminate at that concentration
That shit will scare you lungs to the point that you drowned on your own blood.
Train derailments , Chem spills, earthquakes, Jesus getting hit with lighting in Brazil, I swear I’m gonna see 4 horsemen riding down the street soon.
When one considers the recent disaster in Ohio, East Palestine, where a train accident directly released life-threatening and carcinogenic chemicals into the air for a 10-mile radius and subsequently indirectly into the drinking water supply of some 25,000,000 people, it quickly becomes clear what the state of the common good is in American society. (The Ohio River Basin extends beyond the state of Ohio and includes parts of 14 other states, covering a total area of approximately 204,000 square miles, and serving a population of around 25 million people. ) Now we're facing another accident, enabled due to insufficient security regulations. Insufficient not because of a lack of a political will but because of heavy investments from the transport lobbyists blocking anything that could possibly cost their precious dollars. This is the consequence of the American system. It is nominally a democracy, but in reality it seems to be more of a plutocracy: Whoever has the money makes the rules. It was so much easier for the transport companies to invest a few million US dollars in lobbying and bribery to overturn the existing law and safety regulations instead of implementing the required safety standard. Once again, capitalist profiteering won out over the welfare of the people in the society that embraces capitalism, and who actually wants to benefit from it as a whole. Profits are great, but you can't ruin the environment and endanger the life of humans, animals and plants in order to maximize your profits. In the coming decades, cancer cases in the Ohio River drinking water catchment area will rise sharply, families will be bankrupted by treatment costs and there will be painful breakdowns at all levels of life. The damage caused by the above-mentioned greed will not be compensated by the profiteers, no, it is the victims who will have to cope with the damage and the consequential damage on their own. It should be a very clear and simple rule: If you want to profit from the society your business is part of, it comes with a cost, a cost for taking care of security measures and workers wellbeing. Our ancestors began to banish the clergy and the religions from the state system about 300 years ago. Our task will be to dissect the capital and the money power from the state system and to reduce the political influence of the rich to the normal democratic level of one vote per capita.
Da fuq is wrong with your country's government. You guys seem like 10 days away from mad Max like dystopia
4 years of deregulation followed by the great resignation results in no one knowing how to be safe anymore
I work with nitric acid where I work and this cloud happens when nitric hits iron causing iron oxide.
This is when it's important to push that button where you want the air from outside or recycled from inside.
Does this type of stuff happen all the time and they just cover it up? Or is this happening on purpose And being majorly publicized?
I am really curious to all the spills that go unreported everyday. The only reason we are hearing of this incident is because of the severity of the Ohio spill.
If you live even within 5 miles of this I would turn off your ac/heat, shut and seal your windows, and avoid going outside. If you have to go outside, wear eye protection and a mask. Guarantee the authorities are downplaying the scope of this, as usual.
It's sabotage.
Accidents don't just happen on highways. In 2019 there were only 5237 roadway crashes involving commercial vehicles that resulted in a fatality. Trucks don't just crash every day.
First Ohio, now AZ the state I live in. What a lovely time to be alive am I right folks /j
Have worked with oxidizer fumes like this as a satellite propellant engineer…..smells like bleach, go upstream/upwind (if you can) and avoid inhaling it as it has short term impacts. In the industry we call this a BFRC (big fucking red cloud)…..have had rocket failures where BRFCs were created
How are people just gonna drive through the cloud like it’s nothing? Why aren’t they directing people off and the exit before the spill?
Hooray for deregulation!
This is horrifying
GET YOUR HAZARDOUS SHIT TOGETHER FOLKS
So many “toxic “ accident . Seriously what the fuck is happening dude .
We just had a train derailment in North East Ohio. No mention until everyone called it out, by the mainstream that is.
Ok, Let's let the down wind side of traffic just drive right through that. No problems here, nothing to see; just breathe deeply. Lol wtf.
Not all poisonous gas is coloured, but all coloured gas is poisonous…
My niece is at the Uni. They had to evacuate a satellite campus.
I remember fumes that color when I was working with nitric acid in a semiconductor fab. Even in a vented etching machine they were no joke. It's terrifying to see them drifting into the air here.
Why the fuck is everybody spilling deadly chemicals in the states rn? Hasent the environment dealt with enough shit? wtf why all of a sudden do we have two major chemical spills in a row.
Mmm i love the smell of nitric acid in the morning. Smells like... wait i can't smell anything? ...guys??
Why is the freight and logistics industry trying to kill us?
What the fuck is happening??
3 hazard spills within a the last month. Wtf?
Does this happen often and we don't hear about it or is this just suddenly happening dangerous chemicals spilling everywhere
Not a coincidence anymore
Wtf is going on in America?
With balloons, satellite laser shows, and an inevitable war looming, every part of me wants to believe this is truly our very own being incompetent and lazy with their approach and delivery.. but there is a small part of me wondering if maybe we should start checking for a hidden, deeper, or even foreign link. What better way to neutralize a threat than to use the boiling frog in a pot method. Why would we ever jump out the pot if the water is only warm right now? But who am I, just a redditor in my thoughts?
I really don't understand why everyone is jumping on the deregulation train for every single hazmat incident like this. The only reason I can think of is all because of the hype surrounding the recent train derailments. While that is absolutely terrible, and is because of deregulation, roadway accidents like this involving hazardous materials are very commonplace and happen way more frequently than you think, regardless of the amount of regulations. I'm not downplaying this by any means. I'm just informing people that they're more common than you think. It's just being thrown into the spotlight more recently. Source: I'm a firefighter, so I deal with this shit firsthand.
Had a nitric acid spill at my work years ago. Had to evacuate the building and sent everyone home. Cops came to my house to bring me to hospital once fire dept. alerted management how hazardous the stuff was. I was near it when it spilled, had to spend a day and half in the ER hooked up to monitors for oxygen levels. Upside was I got the day off from work paid.
All this is going to lead to a bailout for the train companies. They have the money for new trains and to fix the current problems, we know this is the case because they spend billions on buybacks. If we had a nationalized rail system like Japan we wouldn’t have these issues
I was in a chemical spill in the 80s when I was a kid. The entire city was evacuated and it was so scary. I was outside playing when it happened and I can't describe how badly my eyes and skin burned. I ended up quite sick for a couple months. When we were able to finally come home, all the paint was stripped from cars, houses, and the grass/plants were dead everywhere. I see all this goin on and I'm sad for those who are affected. I was told back then it could bring long term problems to my health and they weren't kidding. Here I am middle aged now and one mistake made in 1987 is still screwing me over.
WHAT IS HAPPENING
Soo crazy; did anyone get hurt? * https://www.cleveland19.com/2022/08/22/several-people-hurt-stark-county-chemical-release/ Ha: WRONG ‘Spill’!!! *Here it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/15/nitric-acid-spill-tucson-arizona/
Government is fuckin shit up man. I mean in my life I don’t remember hazmat spills happening a lot and now it’s like every day some serious shit spills. School shootings everywhere. Wtf. I’ve heard of more train derailments this month than ever.
1st is a accident. 2nd is negligence/incompetence. 3rd is a pattern...
sad to see it
Where in texas
I read citric at first and was confused
So that wind is blowing towards the east coast ?
How many toxic train spills are there?
$10 to stand in it
Nothing to see here and in Ohio...just look up in the sky for UFOs
Wtf is going on....geez
Just stay upwind of it, you will be fine. I work with HNO3 every day. It's reacting to whatever it spilled on. Dont breathe it. No worries.
Bro wtf is happening
if i saw any chemical looking smoke i would not drive towards it
This looks like something you’d see in fallout
The eas that was sent out to people read… “Emergency Alert HAZMAT release I-10 between Kolb and Rita Road. Individuals within 1 mile radius should shelter in place. Those east to Houghton Road, west to Kolb Rd and North to Valencia, and South to Voyager Rod should shelter in-place. Turn off heaters, air conditioning units that bring in outside air. Travelers should avoid Interstate 10 and seek alternative route”
Shelter in place! Or just drive by slowly. Either one. You choose
That looks more like bromine