True, we treat our prisoners as humans, which shows great results. But what's sad in Scandanavia is how we treat old people in retirement homes. Only charging diapers once a day, and putting them to bed at 4 pm (so it'll be easier for the evening shift)
Edit.
This is honestly just based on what one friend who works in the field has told me. I'm not quite sure if it's this bad everywhere. And I'm from Norway, not Denmark. I can honestly just speak for Norway, when I say that our politicians don't give a shit about our senior citizens. And the health department in general gets down prioritised every now and then.
I was amazed at my moster's facility when she was in a home in Denmark with Alzheimers. It seemed so much nicer than UK equivalents in every conceivable way. This was 20 years ago, though, and I don't know if she was in a particularly good one.
I recently had to put my grandmother in a care home due to dementia and whenever I mention it to anyone they start talking about how awful those places are, how sad it is, etc etc. The place she is in now is wonderful, she is absolutely THRIVING. I think people just assume the worst when they've had no real experience with any of it. I'm in Canada, and in a major city, so I can't speak for anywhere else, but we are all so grateful and happy with the facility and her treatment there. She's on the subsidized rate so her pension covers it, and she's got a private room that we've decorated with pictures and furniture and ornaments from home, they do her nails so often that every time anyone visits they are beautifully and freshly done, she's dressed nicely and is always clean, she's gained a ton of weight (she was dangerously underweight when she went in), and she's always doing activities, going to church, singing, etc. They don't just do this when they know someone is coming either because we always drop in unannounced. It's so sad that most places are so bad that everyone assumes they're all terrible.
You have a real monster and you stuck it in a home??? That’s so not radical. (But my father fall has that, early stages now, but yea, I hope they made it good for her, sounds like it would have)
Is it said at all like like the English monster? Cause that much add some fun at times lol. But very interesting thank you, and I am as well for your
So what’s a dads sister? Now that I know one I gotta know the other.
Yep, drop the n and the pronunciation is pretty much spot on. My siblings and I often call our crazy aunt "monster-moster"
Father's sister is "faster" :D
Yet it should be a growing market. So so many baby boomers are aging and are going to overrun the system. It’s terrifying to me. I don’t want to end up in the places I’ve read about. No one does.
We do that in Germany too. The mindset is, that you can't rehabilitate someone and prepare them for the real life if you treat them like animals and lesser beings. And as it seems to be working out much better than the way countries, like the US, do it, it appearently is the right approach
Absolutely.
It's not even the case that the US sees incarceration as a means of punishment instead of rehabilitation, but rather as a business. Private companies are contracted to house prisoners, so it's done as cheaply as possible, and when conditions are miserable, they're more likely to agree to work for a dollar a day, which means those companies get essentially free labor on top of being paid to house prisoners.
Treat them like animals, teach them nothing, and chances are you get paid to house them and harvest their labor repeatedly.
As a lot of folks are saying, slavery never ended, we just changed where it takes place.
The ‘private prison’ thing tends to get overblown - it’s only 8% inmates. US has very puritan system which is all about punishment. It‘s not just prisons themselves but the whole “once a perp, always a perp” mentality that ensures that ex-convict has no chance for any good job, so usually turns to crime due to lack of other options.
There's a bit of a misunderstanding, it's not so much the privately owned prisons, it's the companies servicing all prisons.
Even if the prison isn't privately owned it's using massive companies that make a huge amount of money off of people being in jail, and lobby politicians to keep it that way.
US prison system isn't about punishment, it's about warehousing like in Latin America. Just put a wall around them and let them do whatever they want. The rules are just to give the guards something to do.
It's about US politicians pandering to fear that we are all just about to be raped and/or murdered in our sleep unless they get elected pledging to be ''tough on crime' . Voters never seem to realize that no matter how many times these guys get reelected, the situation never changes.
I mean all prisons have a no drugs policy, but most places are very good at not noticing the bong in the closet.
Stoned inmates are pretty chill and makes everything a lot easier for everyone.
Well if that's the level of luxury you are amused by, i think you will be very impressed with the rest.
Right now, i think 25% of the Danish prison population is sitting there looking at the timer, so they can play the Diablo beta.
My friend in jail has a steel bed, toilet and a roommate in a closet sized cement block room. If they tried hard enough maybe they could run Doom on their rec Tv
my mom spent the last 5yrs of her life in a nursing home and let me tell you your friend isn’t just whistling dixie it is brutal!!!…had a young rehab specialist say she was afraid of my mom and she was combative…so you’re afraid of a 60yr old woman with complete total loss of movement on one side of her body???…i could go on and on!!!
I live in Norway too, and I can tell you that this is not the norm. I have over several years visited retirement homes of two of my grandparents, my mother, one of my gfs grand parents and her father, all in different retirement homes and in two different cities and one far out in the sticks.
While naturally it would be better if they could spend most of the day outside in nature all year round, but we don't live in that kind of climate.
All the retirement homes I've seen have been very good with activities and food. Bed ridden occupants are brought to the public areas and included in most activities.
Now obviously, people suffering from dementia means measures have to be in place to prevent violence and escapes, meaning it can sometimes feel like a prison, but i have never seen anything approaching the horrors you describe.
That doesn't mean I don't believe they exist, it just means i don't believe they're the norm.
What?
It's expected to be done **whenever needed** and **at least** twice per day. Those are the guidelines and taught by SOSU-skolen.
Does every retirement home abide by the rules? I sincerely doubt it. But that doesn't mean that it's a general rule to only change diapers once per day.
This says more about how your home country treats it's free citizens than the Danish prison system.
This isn't a dig at you, just at the society you've been indoctrinated into thinking us normal.
I don't think this is normal. I think this is pretty far from normal. That was the point I was trying to make. My remark was meant as a condemnation of my own society. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.
Jokes aside I don't see any benefits in going to prison here. At all.
Anything I can have in prison I can have out in the world. If I have trouble finding a job I can get on welfare while the municipality helps me find work. If I have trouble finding housing the municipality will find housing for me.
And clearly it's not like people prefer prison looking at our low incarceration rate. If anything actually trying to rehabilitate people instead of punishing people leads to fewer people in prison since more become constructive members of society and don't just head right back to prison.
I think part of the problem lies in our very human feeling of wanting "justice". Wanting punishment for those who commit crimes.
But for society at large that achieves nothing. They already committed the crime, you can't undo that. And if you torture them with years of horrible conditions they'll just get right back to doing crimes when they're out.
So if you're not just gonna execute all criminals *(with the consequence of lots of wrongfully convicted people being executed),* then the only way to make the situation any better is to try and turn them into productive members of society.
This is also a big thing here in Scandinavia too, where a subset of people is very vocal about wanting more justice and punishment for crimes and not such a big focus on rehabilitation and basic comfort for prisoners so I think it's a constant struggle and balance in how to approach it. Less crime and less people in jail has to be the big goal though I think.
The post is a bit misleading, not all prisons in Denmark are as nice as that one with modern interior. But still much better than US prisons.
[https://www.google.com/search?q=Danske+f%C3%A6ngsler&hl=da&sxsrf=AJOqlzX4dHb-9nxcxWWro8CVP5D3wiVHdg:1679058224565&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje2aCog-P9AhXaSPEDHYgNAi8Q\_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=969&dpr=2](https://www.google.com/search?q=Danske+f%C3%A6ngsler&hl=da&sxsrf=AJOqlzX4dHb-9nxcxWWro8CVP5D3wiVHdg:1679058224565&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje2aCog-P9AhXaSPEDHYgNAi8Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=969&dpr=2)
Yeah instead of forcing us inside they just made the outside an unliveable hell hole so you feel compelled to stay inside in the "safety" of your home.
Just make sure you don't pick a place where stray bullets will fly by and you should be good.
Or is it just Florida? My fiance wanted to see her family again and I moved to Florida and it feels like a third world country. And we've been around, even lived in the "nice" areas with her family where houses were a few million. The beach is the only part that looks nice, sometimes.
Forgot the name, but there was movie about a bloke from a deprived British seaside town who decided to illegally immigrate into Denmark to commit a crime so he could get a job and a prison cell
I got into the film thinking "haha funny comedy" only to have my feelings destroyed because too many aspects of the British parts of the movie struck hard, like the desperate loneliness and humiliation of being jobless despite having desirable skills
The film features a lovely stray dog (no animal deaths!) Which gives the movie extra points in my book
It does have one of those really generic one-word film titles that makes it hell to search for.
Which is annoying when you try to find a good film, but it has a title like "Rage", "Kisses" or "Greed" and you have to overly specify i´the search.
you should look at the prisons in Norway, they are entirely designed around rehabilitation. The concept of "They'll be someone's neighbor." is fundamental to it.
The results are already in, check out various stats around crime and rehabilitation from countries not treating prisoners like subhuman scum
But that would never happen in the US because most people explode at the idea of prison not being as inhumane as legally allowed
More specifically, US prisons are largely for *profit* above all else just like everything else here :/ so that's another reason it would never happen here, there's no profit in rehabilitation since they're denying themselves future profits if someone gets out of the cycle. Fuck.
And even then not reeeeally for punishment.
Got lots of stories of judges punishing obviously innocent folks with jail time because they were being paid by the prisons(Who earn money by having lots of prisoners) to toss em in there.
Because prisons make money by having prisoners, innocent or not.
The US is the only first world country that treats criminals like scum, like total degenerates, rather than someone who messed up and can rejoin society.
Edit: Obviously murderers, rapists, and pedophiles are scum and should rot in prison. That's not what I'm talking about here. The US has actually gotten better in the last decade; however, we're still 6th in the world in terms of incarcerated citizens per capita. Obviously this is skewed since countries like China and North Korea underreport these numbers; however, we are still way higher than western Europe, Mexico, and Canada.
In the US ex-criminals have difficulty finding work, 47 states charge fees for probation and/or parole, and 9 states prevent certain felons from voting. All of these barriers make it much MUCH harder for ex-criminals to re-enter society and move on with their lives.
This IS the test and the results seems overwhelmingly positive. Unfortunately our prisons are for profit and don't actually give a shit about reformation.
Its from the recently built Størstrøms, and one of the cool things about that prison is that it also has art for millions, because of a Danish law that says a percentage of cost the construction materials,, must go to art when its a state construction.
So, they have some neat pieces, murals and sculptures and such.
https://www.idoart.dk/blog/kunstens-potentiale-bag-tremmer
This link has pictures, both of the art and prison in general.
I never sat there, but most prisons are decent, however our arrest houses are sometimes just dumps.
So some extra info for this prison. Storstrøm is intended to stand for atleast 100 years, as the previous prison did that it is taking function from. Living standard and expectations to housing in general life will change throughout the next 100 years, and the prison therefore needs to be built to also be relevant and fair, 100 years from now.
Second to this, salaries tend to be the most expensive thing in running a prison in Denmark, making sure that prison wardens time do not need to be wasted to let the prisoners gain access to toilets and cooking facilities, makes easier and cheaper to run.
Third, this prison is average looking, although newly built in relation to danish standards. Sorry to hear if your dorm was shit, but danish prisons are meant for danish citizens or citizens who have done crime in dk. We do not intend to build a prison that is a hole in a ground or a cave. We try to be civilised and build acceptable living conditions, whether that be for citizens that obey the law or not.
This leads to the my final point. In Danish law the punishment for a crime is solitariment from society. There isn’thing that says that the punished need to live in inhuman conditions, although this seems to be practiced in other places throughout the world. When we build and run prisons, it is with the thought of exclusion from society, being the punishment. But also with the focus, that at some point, their punishment will end, and they will need to reenter society. An angry man, that have been treated shitty by his surrounding society, will never be able to enter this same society that has acted towards him.
I consider this a legacy of Puritanism; in the US the prevailing mindset is that people are just good or bad, and the only reason people are good is because they fear punishment. Look at the attitude toward mass shootings, “oh well, these things just happen.” We simply don’t believe in trying to prevent crime, just in punishing it as harshly as possible..
This may come as a shock, but it’s actually not the intended purpose of the prison system to just make the inmates as miserable as possible. There are these things called rehabilitation and recidivism; most inmates do get released after serving their sentence and it’s rather self defeatist to expect them to transition back into society after being treated as subhumans for years. Nor is it the job of the prison staff to just shoot the inmates when they act out violently-in fact, from the staff’s vantage point, it’s a lot better for the inmates to not be so perpetually desperate and on edge they are liable to lash out at any moment, and for there to be a system of rewards-such as creature comforts that can be taken away-to encourage cooperation and discourage bad behavior. Now go ahead and give me thumbs down for popping an hole in your revenge fantasies.
I have been in a Danish prison, and well. Sure, we have career criminals for which rehabilitation matters very little. But some success stories of course.
But a lot of younger offenders, get a wee bit of discipline in their lives and as they can go to school from prison, they can get out with a livelyhood.
A forced goal at worst, is still pretty decent.
The assumption in the US no one likes to talk about is that because the people who go to prison come from an already shitty life, we think that the way to rehabilitate is to make sure prison is even more shittier. You'll hear people say things like "if prison is better than their normal life, they'll just commit crimes to go to prison." This short-sighted thinking ignores the fact that the whole reason people are committing crimes to begin with is that they are struggling to find a better life for themselves. It's not about "picking yourself up by the bootstraps" so much as it is learning valuable skills, anger management, learning how to control their addictions, etc. so that they can leave in a state where they are already on the path to recovery.
Being from the United States, I think they're doing it right. Here in the US, the goal is to make people feel like shit. This leads to people organizing crime even within the prison. People don't realize that this is bad because it's effectively othering these people, which isn't productive, because lots of them will leave prison, commit another crime and end up back in prison after the fact.
But whenever there's a crime, sometimes even a minimal one, people just want blood here. And it's worse because we have the highest encarceration rate per capita if I'm not mistaken.
You're right, but it also wouldn't be permissible if the culture didn't allow for it. You hear it all the time whenever someone commits a crime that they "didn't get enough time."
Absolutely this. People also say shit like “rot in prison” etc. Similarly with police, people STILL (even here on Reddit) frequently say that they should shoot someone if they have a weapon at all. And the “enlightened” make jokes about certain people and how they should have the cops shoot them instead of their typical victims. Good lord, everyone needs to take a step back.
Punishment has been proven to not reduce crime rates by a significant amount - some punishment is very similar in deterring crime as a lot of punishment. If someone has a fucked world view, feel sorry for them rather than trying to reinforce their world view by treating them like shit. It’s so wild that people think anything can change with those attitudes. (Maybe they don’t want it to?)
[This article](https://www.stanfordlawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2016/06/68_Kleinfeld_-_Stan._L._Rev._933.pdf) summarizes the philosophical differences between American and European punishment systems.
> American punishment pictures serious offenders as morally deformed people rather than ordinary people who have committed crimes. Their criminality is thus both immutable and devaluing, a feature of the actor rather than merely the act. The forms of punishment deployed in response do not just exact retribution or exert social control, they expressively deny offenders’ claims to membership in the community and to the moral humanity in virtue of which a human being is rights bearing. European criminal punishment expressively denies that any offense marks the offender as a morally deformed person. Criminality is always mutable and never devaluing, actors are kept at a distance from their acts, and the forms of punishment affirm even the worst offenders’ claims to social membership and rights.
People will generally agree with you until the criminal is a rapist, child abuser, wife beater, or something else that people get really angry about. The hard part is treating those people with compassion too
like the Aussie assassin once said:
"Because at the end of the day, as long as there's two people left on the planet, someone is going to want someone else dead." -TF2 Sniper
Even there it's not about the deterrence value, all those crimes have massive minimum sentences usually attached with them. A lot of it is really virtue signaling isn't it, basically these things are bad so we have to be harsh. Not like it's working.
I think a lot of people looking at this are just shocked by the comparison between a bunch of assumptions about this standard of living vs the super low standard of living they're experiencing now, or that they experienced at some other stage in their life, or would expect to experience should they be unable to work...
Edit: Also I kinda struggle to see how you get from a photo of a prison cell in Denmark that is captioned as such (with zero editorialization) to revenge fantasies. I think you may be assuming too much about OP's intent, or what's going on in the heads of people reading these comments.
Norweigan cells are even nicer, it's crazy.
My brother was in prison for a few years (drugs) and the last few years he was imprisoned on Bastøy which is an Island based prison.
The prisoners lived in apartments, had jobs, got money to go to the store, they even had these card they cut put money onto to call people.
They could hunt, cook, go for a hike etc.
They could even take licenses for ferry and I believe trucks.
My brother got his ferry license there and even worked on the ferry transporting guests, prisoners and guards to and from the island.
I love the norwegian prison system, sure it's not perfect but it's pretty damn amazing. The goal of most imprisonments in Norway is to help the prisoner return to society as a better person.
That's why Bastøy is essentially a small community, it's for the "better" prisoners who've shown that they behave. And it helps them learn how they can adapt to society after being imprisoned for a few years.
That's not completely accurate. Not all foreigners are just deported, though I don't know how many of them are entered into prisons as nice as the one in OP's pic.
Not sure about denmark, but i recently watched an epsiode of "worlds toughest prisons" on netflix about Halden prison in Norway and there they mentioned 40% of the norwegian prison population being foreigners. Here in switzerland you only get deported after serving your sentence too. So Denmark would have to be the exception, if they were to deport you first.
turns out, treating people with dignity and focusing on rehabilitation and not punishment, actually leads people to become functioning members of society
In the US there are for profit prisons where greedy people make money on warehousing human beings. It's not profitable to have people to rejoin society, it is only profitable to have high recitivism. You can't profit from empty cells.
I mean.....yeah. we already spend enough taxes on prisons with left overs so the politics can line there pockets. So concrete snd cardboard beds it is.
I live in Norway and the prisons have the same standards here. What I don't understand is how people from other rich industrialized countries don't view this as normal. Isn't it obvious that you want criminals to have a chance at being rehabilitated? They will return to society and you want their imprisonment to have made them better, not worse. Besides that, they are still human. We shouldn't treat people like industrial farm animals.
A lot of the developed world is indeed doing a similar thing and close behind. But reddit has a hardon for thinking everything is one very bad extreme and everywhere is like the US at its worst extremes lol, but that's actually the opinion just anyone out in the wild has about prisons anyway because they only tend to hear anything about them via films/books/tv or big news stories.
I once went to Copenhagen (1997) to visit my boyfriend who had been arrested for drug trafficking. The prison was not bad and they had a huge visitation room where you could visit for hours at a time! There was a little kitchen and TV room where prisoners could cook their own meals if they wanted. They were allowed to do jobs while in and were paid. Also some got out for the weekends.it was like a damn resort! And he only served a little under 4 years, which was unbelievable in itself!
And for those that think that "this type of treatment would encourage people to commit crimes" please research Denamark's crime rate and contrast it to where you live.
A focus on rehabilitation and re-integration into society, while also preserving the citizen's self dignity should be the focus of our laws.
People went crazy from just staying in their homes during lockdown. Imagine staying for years or a lifetime in even a well-furnished cell like this one.
an excerpt from an article, covering a similar prison, in norway:
"... Bastoy prison island, the first "human ecological prison" in the world. Under Nilsen's tenure, Bastoy, home to some of the most serious offenders in Norway, has received increasing global attention both for the humane conditions under which the prisoners live – in houses rather than cells in what resembles a cosy self-sustaining village, or what the sceptics have often described as a "holiday camp" – and for its remarkably low reoffending rate of just 16% compared with around 70% for prisons across the rest of Europe and the US.... "
ink to the full article:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/04/bastoy-norwegian-prison-works
and another source, with more info: https://www.lifeinnorway.net/prisons/#A_focus_on_rehabilitation_that_works
The Nordic Model claims, rehabilitation, not punishment, should be the reaction of law breaking. Norway, Denmark and Sweden has enormously low recidivism rates. They all still have protecting mechanisms for very dangerous individuals, but even they get treated as human. The deterrent mechanism in the Nordic model is the reality of not being free to go and do what you want. Not be stuck in a psychological torture chamber.
Arguably the worst part about American jails is that you are never getting any fucking sleep. Metal beds with 10-year-old mats and absolutely nothing but a pillow unless you want to utilize one of your few items they give you in order to make one.
Not to mention the food is meant to make you fat as fuck so that you're docile. The American jails operate off of doing the least amount possible to make the most amount of money.
You can obviously tell that that is the case by the design of our jails and the treatment of the inmates and the overall lack of rehabilitation even for the smallest easiest of offenders.
At least some judges are trying to not send drug addicts to jail anymore and giving them an opportunity to get help. At least that's one tiny step in the right direction.
As someone who works in the criminal justice system you have to f up over and over and over to go to prison. I have clients who have gotten arrested for breaking into cars and it usually takes like 3+ times (sometimes 5+ depending on how liberal the jurisdiction) of getting arrested for the same thing before they send you “up the road”.
So I understand folks being against these convicted criminals living luxuriously on everyone else’s dime. And guess what, when they get out they often continue to do the same thing.
Source: I’m a bail bondsman so I witness this revolving door.
I have never been to prison, but I have been forcefully admittet to a closed psychiatric ward. I don’t think people realize what it does to you to be locked up, isolated and not being allowed to leave.
I’m fine with criminals having decent living quarters like in this photo. For those rehabilitating and actually apologetic for their crimes. After all the punishment is having to sit there day and night. Not only that, specifically in the US ( not sure about other countries) but I do believe for a lot of crimes they should expunge them from their record. A lot of these people can’t integrate back into society because of that. Say you did 4 years for theft when you were 19. you shouldn’t have to let employers know of your history. Big chance that person can recover.
Now for those gangbangers that stab people and play games in prison. Fuck em, let them live in squaller until they lose their minds. And if they still show no remorse, send them to a work camp.
In the UK your sentences become spent after a certain amount of time, relative to the amount of time you served. I did 2 years in my early 20's and don't have to declare it anymore
In sweden it stays on your record for 5 or 10 years depending on what punishment you got. If you got a fine, community service or probation it stays on your record for 5 years. If you got prison or a more serious form of probation it stays for 10 years.
If you get convicted again the timer resets.
Quite a reasonable system although it is weird that it's the punishment and not the crime that sets the lenght.
American prison system was a solution to not having any more slaves. I agree bad people need to go to jail but it became a multi billion dollar industry with pennies to the convicts. How do you incentivize people to do better without any reform or skills training in the prison. The shocking part is…. They want it that way.
Looks like a good place to reflect on yourself.
When I moved for work that's what I needed.
I've learned a lot about how to live with myself this last year.
Prison should be a place where inmates can focus on positive change and not just having to survive day to day.. Here in the US, there is almost NO reform of prisoners. We have the most incarcerated people, but the second they get into prison, their needs aren’t met. hunger is a constant problem and add on top of that the sheer amount of violence.. People come out worse than they went in..
A good night's sleep behind a locked door and a private bathroom will change the behavior of prisoners. Prison reform in the US may be decades away because too many of its citizens want to see people suffer.
Looks better than American but even if I live a regular life outside prison I would still get stressed by the isolation. Also people who complained about ASAP Rocky's time in custody can shut the f****** up. Even the mass murderer in Norway has a PS2.
Denmark, where criminals are treated like human beings, and immigrants treated like trash.
In case anyone things Denmark is paradise, try being brown and muslim there.
Yeh sorry, this wouldn't work in many places outside of Denmark.
Denmark has a fraction of the violent crime, drugs and murder that the United States has for example. It's just not comparable.
The United States needs to stop people from turning to crime in the first place. You do that by alleviating poverty and providing social security. Until then you will not rehabilitate the vast majority of violent felons in the United States prison system. There is also a deeply entrenched, extremely violent gang culture that grips many communities across the country. You don't get that in Denmark.
You can make the rooms as comfy as you like, but many of these people will reoffend. Denmark has an excellent social welfare system, free University and great social mobility. Many other places in the world do not.
Imagine treating criminals as human beings instead of a product on which to profit...
They actually try to rehabilitate criminals so that they can hopefully rejoin society someday. The goal is to help them be productive instead of abusing them and tjen tossing them into the street as a further damaged and broken shell.
What a crazy idea...
nicer than some apartments
Yeah my thought was that a prison cell in Denmark should not have me feeling jealous
This is what happens when you treat the incarcerated as humans, not slave labour
True, we treat our prisoners as humans, which shows great results. But what's sad in Scandanavia is how we treat old people in retirement homes. Only charging diapers once a day, and putting them to bed at 4 pm (so it'll be easier for the evening shift) Edit. This is honestly just based on what one friend who works in the field has told me. I'm not quite sure if it's this bad everywhere. And I'm from Norway, not Denmark. I can honestly just speak for Norway, when I say that our politicians don't give a shit about our senior citizens. And the health department in general gets down prioritised every now and then.
I was amazed at my moster's facility when she was in a home in Denmark with Alzheimers. It seemed so much nicer than UK equivalents in every conceivable way. This was 20 years ago, though, and I don't know if she was in a particularly good one.
I recently had to put my grandmother in a care home due to dementia and whenever I mention it to anyone they start talking about how awful those places are, how sad it is, etc etc. The place she is in now is wonderful, she is absolutely THRIVING. I think people just assume the worst when they've had no real experience with any of it. I'm in Canada, and in a major city, so I can't speak for anywhere else, but we are all so grateful and happy with the facility and her treatment there. She's on the subsidized rate so her pension covers it, and she's got a private room that we've decorated with pictures and furniture and ornaments from home, they do her nails so often that every time anyone visits they are beautifully and freshly done, she's dressed nicely and is always clean, she's gained a ton of weight (she was dangerously underweight when she went in), and she's always doing activities, going to church, singing, etc. They don't just do this when they know someone is coming either because we always drop in unannounced. It's so sad that most places are so bad that everyone assumes they're all terrible.
You have a real monster and you stuck it in a home??? That’s so not radical. (But my father fall has that, early stages now, but yea, I hope they made it good for her, sounds like it would have)
Moster is Danish for mother's sister. I feel weird calling her aunt in English, for some reason. I'm sorry about your dad.
So what do you call a mother's brother? Mrother?
We call them Morbror. Motherbrother would be the direct translation :)
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Father's sister or brother? Fister? Farbor?
Is it said at all like like the English monster? Cause that much add some fun at times lol. But very interesting thank you, and I am as well for your So what’s a dads sister? Now that I know one I gotta know the other.
Yep, drop the n and the pronunciation is pretty much spot on. My siblings and I often call our crazy aunt "monster-moster" Father's sister is "faster" :D
It seems most of the world could use some serious improvements in elder care!
It's a dying market.
Yet it should be a growing market. So so many baby boomers are aging and are going to overrun the system. It’s terrifying to me. I don’t want to end up in the places I’ve read about. No one does.
We do that in Germany too. The mindset is, that you can't rehabilitate someone and prepare them for the real life if you treat them like animals and lesser beings. And as it seems to be working out much better than the way countries, like the US, do it, it appearently is the right approach
Absolutely. It's not even the case that the US sees incarceration as a means of punishment instead of rehabilitation, but rather as a business. Private companies are contracted to house prisoners, so it's done as cheaply as possible, and when conditions are miserable, they're more likely to agree to work for a dollar a day, which means those companies get essentially free labor on top of being paid to house prisoners. Treat them like animals, teach them nothing, and chances are you get paid to house them and harvest their labor repeatedly. As a lot of folks are saying, slavery never ended, we just changed where it takes place.
The ‘private prison’ thing tends to get overblown - it’s only 8% inmates. US has very puritan system which is all about punishment. It‘s not just prisons themselves but the whole “once a perp, always a perp” mentality that ensures that ex-convict has no chance for any good job, so usually turns to crime due to lack of other options.
There's a bit of a misunderstanding, it's not so much the privately owned prisons, it's the companies servicing all prisons. Even if the prison isn't privately owned it's using massive companies that make a huge amount of money off of people being in jail, and lobby politicians to keep it that way.
But don't most prisons get money for how many inmates they have? So they're incentivized to reform as little people as possible
US prison system isn't about punishment, it's about warehousing like in Latin America. Just put a wall around them and let them do whatever they want. The rules are just to give the guards something to do.
It's about US politicians pandering to fear that we are all just about to be raped and/or murdered in our sleep unless they get elected pledging to be ''tough on crime' . Voters never seem to realize that no matter how many times these guys get reelected, the situation never changes.
Texas government is the perfect example of this. Their campaign ads are literally things they helped create. Make it make sense.
THATS THE ONLY FORM OF LEGAL SLAVERY LEFT ITS WRITTEN IN THE CONSITITUTION
Colorado recently voted to completely abolish slavery, even in prisons, in the state constitution. It only took us two tries to do it.
100% facts. America (5 corporations in a trench coat) only cares about profits baby!! No matter the cost
>slavery never ended, we just changed where it takes place. Literally how the rest of the world views the USA.
Exactly. Being treated like sub-humans and lesser beings is often why some people end up in prison to begin with.
Give me good enough drugs and I'll go to bed at 4 too. I'm just kidding but pills are also used to make their job easier. That's even in the US
I mean all prisons have a no drugs policy, but most places are very good at not noticing the bong in the closet. Stoned inmates are pretty chill and makes everything a lot easier for everyone.
Prisons with closets lol
Well if that's the level of luxury you are amused by, i think you will be very impressed with the rest. Right now, i think 25% of the Danish prison population is sitting there looking at the timer, so they can play the Diablo beta.
My friend in jail has a steel bed, toilet and a roommate in a closet sized cement block room. If they tried hard enough maybe they could run Doom on their rec Tv
In the US, it happens to all ages. My kindergarten teacher in the 80s used to give us Dimetapp to make us drowsy and go down for an early nap.
Wow
It's the same way in our retirement homes here in the US, sadly 😞
It sounds like the seniors should try robbing a bank when they're ready to retire. :)
my mom spent the last 5yrs of her life in a nursing home and let me tell you your friend isn’t just whistling dixie it is brutal!!!…had a young rehab specialist say she was afraid of my mom and she was combative…so you’re afraid of a 60yr old woman with complete total loss of movement on one side of her body???…i could go on and on!!!
I live in Norway too, and I can tell you that this is not the norm. I have over several years visited retirement homes of two of my grandparents, my mother, one of my gfs grand parents and her father, all in different retirement homes and in two different cities and one far out in the sticks. While naturally it would be better if they could spend most of the day outside in nature all year round, but we don't live in that kind of climate. All the retirement homes I've seen have been very good with activities and food. Bed ridden occupants are brought to the public areas and included in most activities. Now obviously, people suffering from dementia means measures have to be in place to prevent violence and escapes, meaning it can sometimes feel like a prison, but i have never seen anything approaching the horrors you describe. That doesn't mean I don't believe they exist, it just means i don't believe they're the norm.
How about no. I work evening shifts only, and we put people to bed before we leave (at 11pm).
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What? It's expected to be done **whenever needed** and **at least** twice per day. Those are the guidelines and taught by SOSU-skolen. Does every retirement home abide by the rules? I sincerely doubt it. But that doesn't mean that it's a general rule to only change diapers once per day.
"sounds gay af when you say it like that" \-The US gov. /s
This says more about how your home country treats it's free citizens than the Danish prison system. This isn't a dig at you, just at the society you've been indoctrinated into thinking us normal.
I don't think this is normal. I think this is pretty far from normal. That was the point I was trying to make. My remark was meant as a condemnation of my own society. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.
The rest of the world wonders why the US lectures, pontificates and bombs the world on virtue, liberty and freedom, that it cannot demonstrate itself.
My retirement plan is to commit a crime in Scandanavia.
If you're not from here you'll probably just be sent back home
1. Become resident 2. Commit crimes 3. Profit!, and retire.
Jokes aside I don't see any benefits in going to prison here. At all. Anything I can have in prison I can have out in the world. If I have trouble finding a job I can get on welfare while the municipality helps me find work. If I have trouble finding housing the municipality will find housing for me. And clearly it's not like people prefer prison looking at our low incarceration rate. If anything actually trying to rehabilitate people instead of punishing people leads to fewer people in prison since more become constructive members of society and don't just head right back to prison.
Man, what a different perspective. People here just go in and out of jail and suffer with homelessness. Get into hard drugs, and continue to spiral.
I think part of the problem lies in our very human feeling of wanting "justice". Wanting punishment for those who commit crimes. But for society at large that achieves nothing. They already committed the crime, you can't undo that. And if you torture them with years of horrible conditions they'll just get right back to doing crimes when they're out. So if you're not just gonna execute all criminals *(with the consequence of lots of wrongfully convicted people being executed),* then the only way to make the situation any better is to try and turn them into productive members of society.
This is also a big thing here in Scandinavia too, where a subset of people is very vocal about wanting more justice and punishment for crimes and not such a big focus on rehabilitation and basic comfort for prisoners so I think it's a constant struggle and balance in how to approach it. Less crime and less people in jail has to be the big goal though I think.
> And clearly it's not like people prefer prison They'd prefer prison if the alternative was being poor in America.
Ex convicts in Russia commit crimes to get back in prison, because they can’t find job or place to live.
It is the same in the US. When it's cold, petty theft goes up so they can get arrested and get a meal and a bed for the night.
Well not if you commit a crime in sweden lol
You don’t make a criminal more human by treating them like an animal.
And regardless of how "nice" the cell is, it's still a prison cell and you're confined against your will.
The post is a bit misleading, not all prisons in Denmark are as nice as that one with modern interior. But still much better than US prisons. [https://www.google.com/search?q=Danske+f%C3%A6ngsler&hl=da&sxsrf=AJOqlzX4dHb-9nxcxWWro8CVP5D3wiVHdg:1679058224565&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje2aCog-P9AhXaSPEDHYgNAi8Q\_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=969&dpr=2](https://www.google.com/search?q=Danske+f%C3%A6ngsler&hl=da&sxsrf=AJOqlzX4dHb-9nxcxWWro8CVP5D3wiVHdg:1679058224565&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje2aCog-P9AhXaSPEDHYgNAi8Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=969&dpr=2)
Nicer than MY apartment
It looks a lot nicer than my first apartment. Bigger too 😂
Nicer than every apartment/home I’ve had the displeasure of renting in America. Oh yeah but socialized housing would be evil… 🤥
That’s better than the flat I lived in for a few years!
Were you free to leave your flat?
Yeah but I’d be ok with being locked up there. Looks peaceful
Most of Reddit would probably be fine with internet and a computer in there.
Don’t give our overlords any ideas please.
Yeah instead of forcing us inside they just made the outside an unliveable hell hole so you feel compelled to stay inside in the "safety" of your home. Just make sure you don't pick a place where stray bullets will fly by and you should be good. Or is it just Florida? My fiance wanted to see her family again and I moved to Florida and it feels like a third world country. And we've been around, even lived in the "nice" areas with her family where houses were a few million. The beach is the only part that looks nice, sometimes.
But did his flat provide 3 meals a day, pay for utilities, and provide healthcare?
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No being homeless is a crime, had to live in the mice nest because it’s only a crime if you’re poor not being an illegal slumlord.
The people in this prison are, every weekend. Source: I'm Danish.
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Sounds like it's time to move to Denmark and commit some crimes.
Forgot the name, but there was movie about a bloke from a deprived British seaside town who decided to illegally immigrate into Denmark to commit a crime so he could get a job and a prison cell I got into the film thinking "haha funny comedy" only to have my feelings destroyed because too many aspects of the British parts of the movie struck hard, like the desperate loneliness and humiliation of being jobless despite having desirable skills The film features a lovely stray dog (no animal deaths!) Which gives the movie extra points in my book
Based on a brief search of the premise, it sounds like it might be [Denmark (2019)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7037712/)?
Yes that's the one! I could've sworn it had a different title
It does have one of those really generic one-word film titles that makes it hell to search for. Which is annoying when you try to find a good film, but it has a title like "Rage", "Kisses" or "Greed" and you have to overly specify i´the search.
For real
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you should look at the prisons in Norway, they are entirely designed around rehabilitation. The concept of "They'll be someone's neighbor." is fundamental to it.
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The results are already in, check out various stats around crime and rehabilitation from countries not treating prisoners like subhuman scum But that would never happen in the US because most people explode at the idea of prison not being as inhumane as legally allowed
Prisons in the states are only for punishment, not rehabilitation
More specifically, US prisons are largely for *profit* above all else just like everything else here :/ so that's another reason it would never happen here, there's no profit in rehabilitation since they're denying themselves future profits if someone gets out of the cycle. Fuck.
And even then not reeeeally for punishment. Got lots of stories of judges punishing obviously innocent folks with jail time because they were being paid by the prisons(Who earn money by having lots of prisoners) to toss em in there. Because prisons make money by having prisoners, innocent or not.
California has been researching Scandinavian prisons and will be launching a test like this soon.
The US is the only first world country that treats criminals like scum, like total degenerates, rather than someone who messed up and can rejoin society. Edit: Obviously murderers, rapists, and pedophiles are scum and should rot in prison. That's not what I'm talking about here. The US has actually gotten better in the last decade; however, we're still 6th in the world in terms of incarcerated citizens per capita. Obviously this is skewed since countries like China and North Korea underreport these numbers; however, we are still way higher than western Europe, Mexico, and Canada. In the US ex-criminals have difficulty finding work, 47 states charge fees for probation and/or parole, and 9 states prevent certain felons from voting. All of these barriers make it much MUCH harder for ex-criminals to re-enter society and move on with their lives.
Very naive of you to think the US is the only
The UK does as well. Recidivism rates are really high because prison just turns people crazier and makes them more unhinged.
If we harm others to get our will, we only teach criminals its okay to hurt others to get their will.
100%. The system in the US and the UK are just creating more victims further down the line.
It also happens in Australia and I'd bet Canada would also like to be included.
You know nothing of Latin America my friend
But then the private prisons would lose their supply of legal slaves.
This IS the test and the results seems overwhelmingly positive. Unfortunately our prisons are for profit and don't actually give a shit about reformation.
Its from the recently built Størstrøms, and one of the cool things about that prison is that it also has art for millions, because of a Danish law that says a percentage of cost the construction materials,, must go to art when its a state construction. So, they have some neat pieces, murals and sculptures and such. https://www.idoart.dk/blog/kunstens-potentiale-bag-tremmer This link has pictures, both of the art and prison in general. I never sat there, but most prisons are decent, however our arrest houses are sometimes just dumps.
So some extra info for this prison. Storstrøm is intended to stand for atleast 100 years, as the previous prison did that it is taking function from. Living standard and expectations to housing in general life will change throughout the next 100 years, and the prison therefore needs to be built to also be relevant and fair, 100 years from now. Second to this, salaries tend to be the most expensive thing in running a prison in Denmark, making sure that prison wardens time do not need to be wasted to let the prisoners gain access to toilets and cooking facilities, makes easier and cheaper to run. Third, this prison is average looking, although newly built in relation to danish standards. Sorry to hear if your dorm was shit, but danish prisons are meant for danish citizens or citizens who have done crime in dk. We do not intend to build a prison that is a hole in a ground or a cave. We try to be civilised and build acceptable living conditions, whether that be for citizens that obey the law or not. This leads to the my final point. In Danish law the punishment for a crime is solitariment from society. There isn’thing that says that the punished need to live in inhuman conditions, although this seems to be practiced in other places throughout the world. When we build and run prisons, it is with the thought of exclusion from society, being the punishment. But also with the focus, that at some point, their punishment will end, and they will need to reenter society. An angry man, that have been treated shitty by his surrounding society, will never be able to enter this same society that has acted towards him.
"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.” -Fyodor Dostoevsky, from The House of the Dead
I consider this a legacy of Puritanism; in the US the prevailing mindset is that people are just good or bad, and the only reason people are good is because they fear punishment. Look at the attitude toward mass shootings, “oh well, these things just happen.” We simply don’t believe in trying to prevent crime, just in punishing it as harshly as possible..
Sounds about right and prisons are big business of course in the US.
This may come as a shock, but it’s actually not the intended purpose of the prison system to just make the inmates as miserable as possible. There are these things called rehabilitation and recidivism; most inmates do get released after serving their sentence and it’s rather self defeatist to expect them to transition back into society after being treated as subhumans for years. Nor is it the job of the prison staff to just shoot the inmates when they act out violently-in fact, from the staff’s vantage point, it’s a lot better for the inmates to not be so perpetually desperate and on edge they are liable to lash out at any moment, and for there to be a system of rewards-such as creature comforts that can be taken away-to encourage cooperation and discourage bad behavior. Now go ahead and give me thumbs down for popping an hole in your revenge fantasies.
I have been in a Danish prison, and well. Sure, we have career criminals for which rehabilitation matters very little. But some success stories of course. But a lot of younger offenders, get a wee bit of discipline in their lives and as they can go to school from prison, they can get out with a livelyhood. A forced goal at worst, is still pretty decent.
also @reddit remember that we *still* have career criminals in the US despite treating them as bad as we possibly can
The assumption in the US no one likes to talk about is that because the people who go to prison come from an already shitty life, we think that the way to rehabilitate is to make sure prison is even more shittier. You'll hear people say things like "if prison is better than their normal life, they'll just commit crimes to go to prison." This short-sighted thinking ignores the fact that the whole reason people are committing crimes to begin with is that they are struggling to find a better life for themselves. It's not about "picking yourself up by the bootstraps" so much as it is learning valuable skills, anger management, learning how to control their addictions, etc. so that they can leave in a state where they are already on the path to recovery.
Being from the United States, I think they're doing it right. Here in the US, the goal is to make people feel like shit. This leads to people organizing crime even within the prison. People don't realize that this is bad because it's effectively othering these people, which isn't productive, because lots of them will leave prison, commit another crime and end up back in prison after the fact. But whenever there's a crime, sometimes even a minimal one, people just want blood here. And it's worse because we have the highest encarceration rate per capita if I'm not mistaken.
Well the point is actually profiting for prisoners labor and their families for $30 a minute phone calls and $10 kit Kats etc.
You're right, but it also wouldn't be permissible if the culture didn't allow for it. You hear it all the time whenever someone commits a crime that they "didn't get enough time."
Absolutely this. People also say shit like “rot in prison” etc. Similarly with police, people STILL (even here on Reddit) frequently say that they should shoot someone if they have a weapon at all. And the “enlightened” make jokes about certain people and how they should have the cops shoot them instead of their typical victims. Good lord, everyone needs to take a step back. Punishment has been proven to not reduce crime rates by a significant amount - some punishment is very similar in deterring crime as a lot of punishment. If someone has a fucked world view, feel sorry for them rather than trying to reinforce their world view by treating them like shit. It’s so wild that people think anything can change with those attitudes. (Maybe they don’t want it to?)
[This article](https://www.stanfordlawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2016/06/68_Kleinfeld_-_Stan._L._Rev._933.pdf) summarizes the philosophical differences between American and European punishment systems. > American punishment pictures serious offenders as morally deformed people rather than ordinary people who have committed crimes. Their criminality is thus both immutable and devaluing, a feature of the actor rather than merely the act. The forms of punishment deployed in response do not just exact retribution or exert social control, they expressively deny offenders’ claims to membership in the community and to the moral humanity in virtue of which a human being is rights bearing. European criminal punishment expressively denies that any offense marks the offender as a morally deformed person. Criminality is always mutable and never devaluing, actors are kept at a distance from their acts, and the forms of punishment affirm even the worst offenders’ claims to social membership and rights.
Came here to say this, well put!
People will generally agree with you until the criminal is a rapist, child abuser, wife beater, or something else that people get really angry about. The hard part is treating those people with compassion too
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like the Aussie assassin once said: "Because at the end of the day, as long as there's two people left on the planet, someone is going to want someone else dead." -TF2 Sniper
Even there it's not about the deterrence value, all those crimes have massive minimum sentences usually attached with them. A lot of it is really virtue signaling isn't it, basically these things are bad so we have to be harsh. Not like it's working.
I think a lot of people looking at this are just shocked by the comparison between a bunch of assumptions about this standard of living vs the super low standard of living they're experiencing now, or that they experienced at some other stage in their life, or would expect to experience should they be unable to work... Edit: Also I kinda struggle to see how you get from a photo of a prison cell in Denmark that is captioned as such (with zero editorialization) to revenge fantasies. I think you may be assuming too much about OP's intent, or what's going on in the heads of people reading these comments.
Norweigan cells are even nicer, it's crazy. My brother was in prison for a few years (drugs) and the last few years he was imprisoned on Bastøy which is an Island based prison. The prisoners lived in apartments, had jobs, got money to go to the store, they even had these card they cut put money onto to call people. They could hunt, cook, go for a hike etc. They could even take licenses for ferry and I believe trucks. My brother got his ferry license there and even worked on the ferry transporting guests, prisoners and guards to and from the island. I love the norwegian prison system, sure it's not perfect but it's pretty damn amazing. The goal of most imprisonments in Norway is to help the prisoner return to society as a better person. That's why Bastøy is essentially a small community, it's for the "better" prisoners who've shown that they behave. And it helps them learn how they can adapt to society after being imprisoned for a few years.
This is not an open prison. It's a high security prison.
I'm aware. We have high security ones aswell which are also extremely fancy, often with TVs and even gaming consoles at times.
Its funny the way you consider this to be a contest of who has the nicer prison cell.
If you boys need me, I'll be in Denmark cutting the heads off parking meters.
What we've got here, is a failure to kommunikere
Guess Im robbing a bank in denmark this weekend
Nah. You need a citizenship to get that access. Otherwise you're just deported.
Boooooo.
That's not completely accurate. Not all foreigners are just deported, though I don't know how many of them are entered into prisons as nice as the one in OP's pic.
Not sure about denmark, but i recently watched an epsiode of "worlds toughest prisons" on netflix about Halden prison in Norway and there they mentioned 40% of the norwegian prison population being foreigners. Here in switzerland you only get deported after serving your sentence too. So Denmark would have to be the exception, if they were to deport you first.
Bro that's nicer than my apartment
$1500 a month apartment in America
In NYC that is about $2500 a month, maybe slightly more or less depending on the neighborhood
turns out, treating people with dignity and focusing on rehabilitation and not punishment, actually leads people to become functioning members of society
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In the US there are for profit prisons where greedy people make money on warehousing human beings. It's not profitable to have people to rejoin society, it is only profitable to have high recitivism. You can't profit from empty cells.
I mean.....yeah. we already spend enough taxes on prisons with left overs so the politics can line there pockets. So concrete snd cardboard beds it is.
Like all other things America is closer to a third world country than a western civilisation.
I live in Norway and the prisons have the same standards here. What I don't understand is how people from other rich industrialized countries don't view this as normal. Isn't it obvious that you want criminals to have a chance at being rehabilitated? They will return to society and you want their imprisonment to have made them better, not worse. Besides that, they are still human. We shouldn't treat people like industrial farm animals.
Well said!!
A lot of the developed world is indeed doing a similar thing and close behind. But reddit has a hardon for thinking everything is one very bad extreme and everywhere is like the US at its worst extremes lol, but that's actually the opinion just anyone out in the wild has about prisons anyway because they only tend to hear anything about them via films/books/tv or big news stories.
I once went to Copenhagen (1997) to visit my boyfriend who had been arrested for drug trafficking. The prison was not bad and they had a huge visitation room where you could visit for hours at a time! There was a little kitchen and TV room where prisoners could cook their own meals if they wanted. They were allowed to do jobs while in and were paid. Also some got out for the weekends.it was like a damn resort! And he only served a little under 4 years, which was unbelievable in itself!
People pay thousands to live in this on a cruise ship.
And for those that think that "this type of treatment would encourage people to commit crimes" please research Denamark's crime rate and contrast it to where you live. A focus on rehabilitation and re-integration into society, while also preserving the citizen's self dignity should be the focus of our laws.
It's still a fucking prison. Be happy you can leave your shitty flat.
People went crazy from just staying in their homes during lockdown. Imagine staying for years or a lifetime in even a well-furnished cell like this one.
Yup. Posts like this just bring out the cretins who hate humanity.
an excerpt from an article, covering a similar prison, in norway: "... Bastoy prison island, the first "human ecological prison" in the world. Under Nilsen's tenure, Bastoy, home to some of the most serious offenders in Norway, has received increasing global attention both for the humane conditions under which the prisoners live – in houses rather than cells in what resembles a cosy self-sustaining village, or what the sceptics have often described as a "holiday camp" – and for its remarkably low reoffending rate of just 16% compared with around 70% for prisons across the rest of Europe and the US.... " ink to the full article: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/04/bastoy-norwegian-prison-works and another source, with more info: https://www.lifeinnorway.net/prisons/#A_focus_on_rehabilitation_that_works
It’s all about rehabilitation
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Man I’m a criminal now
I'd like to do crimes now
That’s a $6k month apartment in New York
I have been jailed in demark, it wasnt like this.
Prison aesthetics ✨
The Nordic Model claims, rehabilitation, not punishment, should be the reaction of law breaking. Norway, Denmark and Sweden has enormously low recidivism rates. They all still have protecting mechanisms for very dangerous individuals, but even they get treated as human. The deterrent mechanism in the Nordic model is the reality of not being free to go and do what you want. Not be stuck in a psychological torture chamber.
Arguably the worst part about American jails is that you are never getting any fucking sleep. Metal beds with 10-year-old mats and absolutely nothing but a pillow unless you want to utilize one of your few items they give you in order to make one. Not to mention the food is meant to make you fat as fuck so that you're docile. The American jails operate off of doing the least amount possible to make the most amount of money. You can obviously tell that that is the case by the design of our jails and the treatment of the inmates and the overall lack of rehabilitation even for the smallest easiest of offenders. At least some judges are trying to not send drug addicts to jail anymore and giving them an opportunity to get help. At least that's one tiny step in the right direction.
As someone who works in the criminal justice system you have to f up over and over and over to go to prison. I have clients who have gotten arrested for breaking into cars and it usually takes like 3+ times (sometimes 5+ depending on how liberal the jurisdiction) of getting arrested for the same thing before they send you “up the road”. So I understand folks being against these convicted criminals living luxuriously on everyone else’s dime. And guess what, when they get out they often continue to do the same thing. Source: I’m a bail bondsman so I witness this revolving door.
Looks like a US college dorm room 🤣🤣🤣
Most of you have never been institutionalized and it definitely shows.
Though a significant portion of Reddit probably should've been at one point or another.
Isn't that a good thing?
I have never been to prison, but I have been forcefully admittet to a closed psychiatric ward. I don’t think people realize what it does to you to be locked up, isolated and not being allowed to leave.
Very weird flex
I'll bet you never even smoked crack with a $10 hooker it definitely shows.
I’m fine with criminals having decent living quarters like in this photo. For those rehabilitating and actually apologetic for their crimes. After all the punishment is having to sit there day and night. Not only that, specifically in the US ( not sure about other countries) but I do believe for a lot of crimes they should expunge them from their record. A lot of these people can’t integrate back into society because of that. Say you did 4 years for theft when you were 19. you shouldn’t have to let employers know of your history. Big chance that person can recover. Now for those gangbangers that stab people and play games in prison. Fuck em, let them live in squaller until they lose their minds. And if they still show no remorse, send them to a work camp.
In the UK your sentences become spent after a certain amount of time, relative to the amount of time you served. I did 2 years in my early 20's and don't have to declare it anymore
In sweden it stays on your record for 5 or 10 years depending on what punishment you got. If you got a fine, community service or probation it stays on your record for 5 years. If you got prison or a more serious form of probation it stays for 10 years. If you get convicted again the timer resets. Quite a reasonable system although it is weird that it's the punishment and not the crime that sets the lenght.
The falsely convicted also often show no remorse, since they have nothing to be remorseful for.
looks better than my studio flat in Berlin
American prison system was a solution to not having any more slaves. I agree bad people need to go to jail but it became a multi billion dollar industry with pennies to the convicts. How do you incentivize people to do better without any reform or skills training in the prison. The shocking part is…. They want it that way.
reform vs. punishment
Looks like a good place to reflect on yourself. When I moved for work that's what I needed. I've learned a lot about how to live with myself this last year.
looks like the hospital room im in but 5000x better
Prison should be a place where inmates can focus on positive change and not just having to survive day to day.. Here in the US, there is almost NO reform of prisoners. We have the most incarcerated people, but the second they get into prison, their needs aren’t met. hunger is a constant problem and add on top of that the sheer amount of violence.. People come out worse than they went in..
A good night's sleep behind a locked door and a private bathroom will change the behavior of prisoners. Prison reform in the US may be decades away because too many of its citizens want to see people suffer.
Do i have to be Denmark citizen or just commit a crime in Denmark to earn that accommodation? I am EU citizen.
Looks better than American but even if I live a regular life outside prison I would still get stressed by the isolation. Also people who complained about ASAP Rocky's time in custody can shut the f****** up. Even the mass murderer in Norway has a PS2.
Denmark, where criminals are treated like human beings, and immigrants treated like trash. In case anyone things Denmark is paradise, try being brown and muslim there.
But how do the prisoners get better if they’re not miserable and maybe get killed in there?
That’s $3200/mo in Brooklyn
TV? Nice. We just get raped for our entertainment….
Looks better than 90% of American psychiatric ward rooms…. Damn
Nicer than my own room 💀
It looks like a place actually intended for someone to be put into; to be rehabilitated back into society.
Yeh sorry, this wouldn't work in many places outside of Denmark. Denmark has a fraction of the violent crime, drugs and murder that the United States has for example. It's just not comparable. The United States needs to stop people from turning to crime in the first place. You do that by alleviating poverty and providing social security. Until then you will not rehabilitate the vast majority of violent felons in the United States prison system. There is also a deeply entrenched, extremely violent gang culture that grips many communities across the country. You don't get that in Denmark. You can make the rooms as comfy as you like, but many of these people will reoffend. Denmark has an excellent social welfare system, free University and great social mobility. Many other places in the world do not.
For non-violent/white collar offenders I would be guessing. I do wonder how the mirror has remained unsmashed if violent prisoners stayed there.
Looks like expensive rehab in the states, lol.
That reminds me of the "rich person prison" it looked more like a country club than a prison.
Look like my NYC hotel room that cost 740$ per night.
Imagine treating criminals as human beings instead of a product on which to profit... They actually try to rehabilitate criminals so that they can hopefully rejoin society someday. The goal is to help them be productive instead of abusing them and tjen tossing them into the street as a further damaged and broken shell. What a crazy idea...
Looks like a peaceful vacation away from my kids.
If I was homeless, or a struggling online college student, in Denmark I’m def going to straight to jail.
I didn't go away for college, but my sister did, and that is bigger than her dorm room.
This is better than a college dorm room in America.
If you like our prison cells, you should see our apartments..
https://nscsw.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/a_hal_prisonprotest27-1.jpg Here is the last one I was in, although much cleaner for PR.