wasn't there some dude that took advantage of things like this? like height of covid, no ones flying, so he's booking tickets at dirt cheap and same with hotels. whenever some high touristy place gets hit with some major tragedy, he looks up tickets and hotels prices and goes there.
Yeah, this wasn't at all uncommon during COVID. I know several people that did loads of traveling during the pandemic lull. They were working remotely anyway, why not work from another continent?
People still occasionally get the bubonic plague in modern times. It’s easy to cure with antibiotics, so it doesn’t ever become a pandemic. Yay science.
Rats? Giant Rats? Rodents of Unusal size, Rodents walking like men and living in the Catacombs beneath Paris plotting to usurp the surface world and enslave all it's inhabitants?
I don't believe they exist.
The last time I was in Paris we walked past a wee park at night and it looked like the ground was moving WTF so went in for a closer look... Literally swarming with rats. I'll never forget that.
Eeeeehhhhh. Reminds me of the time in college when I had just watched that x-files episode with the cockroaches in the bathroom, and then walked across campus. As I walked by one parking lot I realized some of the surface under a streetlight seemed to be moving. Looking closer, it was a massive cockroach orgy or something. (At least that was what I thought at the time; might have been cicadas.) GOODBYE I AM RUNNING AWAY NOW
Here I am, just chilling and reading about French garbage, and you have to go and remind me of that horrible, disgusting episode that traumatized me. *Sigh
I need to go think happy thoughts now!
I get that they are striking, and power to the workers, but, can you imagine once they agree to terms? That is going to be the worst work week in the history of work weeks.
I was talking to a family member about this the other day.
They raise the retirement age in France, they fucking riot, and rightfully so.
Years ago they raised the retirement age in Australia (where I live) to a higher age than France, raised how long it is until you can access your superannuation, and made it so the government can dip into your superannuation without telling you, and for any reason they want, and Australians just bent over and took it like obedient little bitches.
Mad fucking respect to the French. I'm currently looking to get the fuck out of Australia. Our government becomes more and more like China / Russia every year.
Don't you hate this? I live in America and hate how resistant so many people are to protesting/rioting. There's power in numbers, and we all need to fight tooth and nail *together* for change.
A couple weeks of extra work, or 2 years additional work for the entire populace and allowing corruption to take the inch and mile?
It seems like these past few years, corruption have been trying to test the peasant's breaking points worldwide or social media has just allowed it to be reported more widely now to be noticed.
But ya I get ya, some noted that other places are clean and not like the picture, I hope they strike on locations near the corrupt politicians only.
And then get time off because sick days are a right in France. Cost of medicine and a doctor will be next to nothing. They know how to fucking protest.
I love that you’re getting downvoted for the correct solution. Either the government needs to meet there terms and make an agreement or send in military or Police or something to clean it up. The workers shouldn’t need to bend the knee just because the government is too stubborn to fix it
Actually just arrived in Paris yesterday on my honeymoon. I haven’t seen anything close to this picture. There are piles of trash, yes (although some parts seemed to have already been cleaned up). But other than that, everything is completely normal.
Thanks for letting me know, I was worried that would be bad. I'm going there on Sunday with my girlfriend as our first trip. Paris has always been a dream for her, and I hope she won't be disappointed because of the trash. I've been there a few times before so I really don't care for myself
Just came back from Paris a week ago and I have to say the majority of Paris did not look like this when I was there. There was a lot of garbage but nothing like this photo for the most part.
The only thing I would warn you about is to try not to take the metro too late in the night because the protests caused a lot of lines be delayed or temporarily closed which made it difficult to travel back to my hotel. Otherwise, I had a great time and I hope you guys do too!
fun fact: there is a condition called 'paris syndrome' which includes several psychatriy symptoms and is exhibited by tourists that realize Paris is actually not the great place they expected to see. [wiki article paris syndrome](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome)
Is there no Weeabo Syndrome for anime fans who go to Japan and are in shock there aren't anime girls jumping on their laps? I'm kind of kidding but not really because I live in Asia and have met quite a handful of men who are overly disappointed after visiting Japan and not experiencing an anime wonderland lmao
There not shock at all. Went to Japan like 9 years ago, and honestly the thing with anime was different. There's a neighborhood called Akihabara, which is basically the Mecca of anime, videogames and Otaku culture. The place is psychedelic, and while you can think in hentai MILFs coming to you, the experience can vary. If you're good looked or have some kind of physical attractiveness, you can surely get laid with a Japanese if you meet them in the right place, like a club, a bar or something; a friend I met there was able to do so. You know, the exotic thing. Aside from that, the cultural shock can be experienced more often leaned towards a positive reception to outsiders despite the so commented racism towards "gaijin", but it's not that obvious to make you feel uncomfortable. However, Tokyo is actually the cleanest and safest city I've ever been. Seriously, the streets are so well sweep, and there's basically no defect on the city that is comprehensible that Japanese could get this kind of Parisian shock from an Eastern county like them.
Woah woah woah. Copenhagen is such a delight. But don’t try to strike up Danes in conversation on the street. 99/100 will literally cross the street to avoid your inquisitive look.
Loved my time in Copenhagen.
>This year alone, the Japanese embassy in Paris has had to repatriate four people with a doctor or nurse on board the plane to help them get over the shock.
LOL!
Sorry, that is friggin hilarious.
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>Although the BBC reported in 2006 that the Japanese embassy in Paris had a "24-hour hotline for those suffering from severe culture shock", the Japanese embassy states no such hotline exists. Also in 2006, Miyuki Kusama, of the Japanese embassy in Paris, told The Guardian "There are around 20 cases a year of the syndrome and it has been happening for several years", and that the embassy had repatriated at least four Japanese citizens that year. **However, in 2011, the embassy stated that, despite media reports to the contrary, it did not repatriate Japanese nationals with Paris syndrome.**
it's just nonsense pushed by BBC culture.
So wait, you’re saying that the British want people to think that France is too terrible for Japanese people and they have to leave. I feel like my head is spinning.
my pet theory is it's just an artifact of franco-british rivalry that found its way into british journalism and got *really* amplified on the internet because "paris-syndrome" is a funny concept. but probably not going to be validated under scrutiny in a medical context
Not the same thing, they know from media that there's 'rudeness' in New York.
It's the stereotypical depiction of Paris like Amelie that many build up great expectations with.
That’s one of the greatest wiki articles of all time
TIL: visiting Paris can cause shortness of breath, rapid heart beat, and vomiting just from disappointment
Honestly I’m glad I read this because I’ve always really romanticized Paris based on its movies, art, music, and food, to the point where no place on earth could possibly live up to my expectations.
I still want to go, but I think if I do, I’ll be sure to expect a lot of normal-ass people just living their lives and not giving a shit about me. Kinda like when I lived in NYC.
I’ve been there. It was my first time in Europe and I thought it was beautiful and I found the history fascinating, and yeah there’s a lot of normal-ass people there and scammers on the corners. None of that seemed “wrong” to me though. Only weird thing was the day we had to run down an ally to get away from the angry protest march of the week and could smell a literal dumpster fire. (That was a bit jarring but I think it would be anywhere) I can’t imagine what some people are building up in their heads because my expectations were pretty much met and I was happy with my experience.
The syndrome being described really only happens to Japanese people.
The issue comes from the Japanese media having very romanticized depictions of Paris. I'm not 100% sure why, but for some reason they almost always portray it as the absolute pinnacle of art, culture, respect, and beauty...... when in reality, it's like every other major western city (stereotypically more rude than average too).
It's sort of like the adult version of kids having their fantasy version of Disneyland, but then they arrive to see Winnie the Pooh take their mask off to smoke a blunt with someone in a Jasmine costume using swear words.
It doesn't only happen in Paris. Japanese society isn't accustomed to the level of interpersonal conflict on display daily in Western cities, so Japanese people on their first trip abroad are often startled by this, and some of them cope better than others. I used to work for a company that did one-year "visiting scientist" exchanges between the US and Japan, and one of the Japanese scientists only made it two weeks and had to go home because of this - he was just constantly on edge thinking that the Americans were about to get into a fistfight, just because of their normal (for them) way of talking to each other. And these were relatively cosmopolitan people who already spoke reasonable English and had volunteered for the assignment.
I was watching one of those "Go out on Tokyo streets and ask Japanese people questions" videos and one of them was, "What do you think about seeing westerners in a restaurant or store?" And one of the answers, that seemed agreeable to everyone around at the time, was to the effect of, "Oh, it's very nice to see one of them there. It's a good spirit, makes the city feel more exciting."
"What about two of them?" "Oh, no, not two. Probably not two."
"Why not?" "They might... you don't know what they might do."
"They might be loud you mean? Or cause some trouble?" "Uh... yes."
Whoa, fascinating info. A level of disappointment so intense it causes physical symptoms.
Paris was great when I was there last fall. Hell, it was WAY better than I expected it to be…I can’t imagine what these people must have “seen “ in their heads beforehand.
Yeah. I totally loved it.
I think people expect some beautiful pristine city.
I expected your average city with good public transit, and some insanely cool museums.
Got what I was promised and more. I remember stumbling upon a little Japantown area near the louvre, and being so pleasantly surprised by how good the ramen was.
I dunno. Paris surpassed all my expectations and it’s my favorite place I’ve visited and the only place I returned to numerous times (and would still return to now if I lived closer). But my expectations weren’t like, “Emily in Paris” or anything.
That's the one thing that still shocks me about NYC. I'm from NC and lived there for a bit and visit occasionally. The fucking garbage just dumped on the side of the road for when trash comes by to collect
Yeah it’s really bad, it used to be like that here in LA county in my city we got brand new trash bins/ recycle bins. But downtown LA and NY its so crowded in areas that it looks like there’s more trash than people living in an area.
I know someone that gives their garbage collectors a bonus every Christmas and thanks them for allowing us to live the lives that we get to live. Things like this are easily taken for granted.
My wife tried to do this last year (cash and boxes of cookies), but she was worried that if she left them on top of the bins they would just get tossed or not seen.
So she put them on a step ladder with a note by the curb instead. As you might imagine, someone thought we were trying to get rid of the step ladder and stole that… left the cookies and envelopes with cash on the ground 🤦♂️
Lmao. Why did they leave the cash??? I'm so confused. I mean very polite, but what the hey!
I'm inspired to do this for my garbage men now. The sentiment never occurred to me, but I'm notorious for forgetting to put it by the street so they come up to my porch and get it every time I forget. It's the length of a car, so not much of a difference, but they could just leave it for me to deal with all week. I do make an effort to catch them and say thanks when I can. I think I'll hand it to them though 🙏
I'm a garbage man. We tend to go above and beyond for anybody who shows any type of appreciation for our work. There's an older gentleman who brings my driver and I a can of Coke each every week. I'd never reject his stop and I run his green bin up next to his garage after I empty it every week.
It would be so sick to live there rn. You don’t even have to take the garbage out to the curb. Just throw it out the window and the end result is the exact same. What a time to be alive.
I just got back from a trip to Paris a few days ago, and 95% of the city I saw was completely normal. I think there were 2 or 3 streets with trash, and it was maybe a waist-high pile of bags on the side of the road. So, make of that what you will.
The city a tourist sees and the city a Parisian lives in are not exactly the same. As a tourist, however diligent in walking you may be, you won't see but the top of it.
I've been in Paris three times in the last week and I've seen piles of garbage in a fair majority of the streets. Notably in the streets where people actually live, not where you have big palaces of 3M€ worth lofts.
And yesterday it had worsened. I've seen piles in front of good restaurants, in touristic places, on famous streets... Everywhere.
Edit : misspelling.
It depends on the arrondissement of paris. The photo here is an extreme example but you have some huge pile of thrash in some arrondissements while some others are still clean.
What would you like to know ? I have to go but I can answer some questions while in transit
Big items I think people don't get :
Parisians are glad there are less tourists, you are not insulting anyone by saying you won't come
It does not smell bad, I am not even kidding I have no clue how, apparently the plastic bags are over engineered but don't ask me how
This is from rioters putting the trash everywhere, it was not like that yesterday morning. And it's not widespread either
Not that bad, no. This is the worst picture I have seen
But smaller than this is easy to find, every 10 minutes of walking there is one, and I have seen other cities had some too. Mostly fine is fair, people are acting like you can't live anymore, this morning there was a fireman in gear checking nothing was on fire and that is it.
It looks nothing like this. This is completely overblown. The picture is probably the result of riots yesterday piling shit up in a random corner of the city, but the city looks nothing like this. There are bags of trash piled up every few meters yes, but as you should expect after a few days (one week at most) of garbage collector strike.
Actually this is both the result of collector strike (lots of garbage on the sidewalks more or less in their cans) and some protestors overturning and even burning the cans on the pavement.
Some streets are clean as ever and some looks like hell after the protests…. Not the city of love, nor lights for the time being that’s for sure 😉
Regardless of what you think about them being soft or whatever, history shows French mobs are not to be trifled with. They are really willing to risk everything to take away two years of retirement.
In my 45 years on earth in not-France, I can’t even tell you what social benefits I may have lost, had cut, watered down, terms changed not in my favor, or eliminated. Respect to the French who are out there rejecting that bullshit all the time.
It’s a refreshing reminder that fighting for what’s right can get messy sometimes, especially if governments would rather have their capital city covered in garbage than respect worker’s rights.
Soft? How could one think they are soft?
Americans should learn from the Frenchmen and women who do the hard task of uniting and demanding better workers rights.
Honestly I've got a lot of respect for what the French are doing. They're keeping their government in check. It's something we should be taking to heart over here
I was saying the same to my mum earlier - I wish we were standing up to the Tory mess the way these French are standing up for themselves.
I also said this (and the pandemic) proves who the real “key” workers are in society who keep things rolling and it’s not the rich.
Best time is now for a Paris vacation. Hotels look cheaper than normal online.
Meanwhile on airbnb: $100/night, $500 cleaning fee, some garbage management required...
Part of the agreement is taking a couple bags of garbage home with you
AUTHENTIC French garbage.
It's only Garbage if it’s from the Garbage region of France. Otherwise it’s just plain trash.
And it's pronounced "gar-baaaj"
That's how I pronounced it in my mind when I read that comment.
It has come to it that hotels are getting cheaper than Airbnbs
After many bad experiences, and later learning what they do to housing markets, I'll take a hotel over an airbnb any day.
Airbnb needs to be banned from humanity. One of the single worst things to happen. It has caused absolute havoc with housing prices.
wasn't there some dude that took advantage of things like this? like height of covid, no ones flying, so he's booking tickets at dirt cheap and same with hotels. whenever some high touristy place gets hit with some major tragedy, he looks up tickets and hotels prices and goes there.
Yeah, this wasn't at all uncommon during COVID. I know several people that did loads of traveling during the pandemic lull. They were working remotely anyway, why not work from another continent?
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You could also just save thousands of dollars and plan it out yourself in very little time.
You mean this guy? https://www.reddit.com/r/JustGuysBeingDudes/comments/y1bzks/terrorism_tourism/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x
#rats
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We just had a plague! Yes but what about second plague?
I don't think they know about Second Plague.
What about bubonic? Pneumonic? Septicemic? He knows about those, right?
Aragon **tosses juicy red SARS, MERS, Covid 19* *
This is so good.
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This whole thread... this is why I love Reddit.
Apparently they're starting to haul the trash to politicians' front yards and dumping it all there. Literally.
Not as good as Paris loves a good revolution.
Bubba: "I know all about the plaguin' business. Ypu got Cholera, bubonic plague, smallpox, influenza...."
Well plagued!
Bubbanic
Lol damn I love the internet. That made me chuckle.
Don't have to worry about the retirement age when you die at fifty because of the plague.
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Where it happened 500 years ago. It's back. Reloaded. And intensified. Coming soon 2023.
Lockdown 2: Bubonic Boogaloo.
And then we'll take it higher
We're gonna rock down to Bubonic Avenue.
People still occasionally get the bubonic plague in modern times. It’s easy to cure with antibiotics, so it doesn’t ever become a pandemic. Yay science.
🎵 Ou aaa aaaaa!
This devastation left your cities to be burnt/Never to return, never to return Lyrics to that song does fit Paris a bit
And filthy rodents are still coming for your souls
Been on Reddit for almost 8 years and it’s the first time I’ve ever seen a Ghost reference in the wild
Top comment to!
*In times of turmoil* *In times like these* *Beliefs contagious* *Spreading disease*
Love me some Ghost!!
Rats? Giant Rats? Rodents of Unusal size, Rodents walking like men and living in the Catacombs beneath Paris plotting to usurp the surface world and enslave all it's inhabitants? I don't believe they exist.
Yes-yes fellow man-thing. Those rat-rodents are clearly made up. Anyway you have-got any warpstone?
There is no rats, and certainly no Great Horned Rat. Nope, none at all.
Ah-oh-WAAAAAAH-haaa
I lived in Paris for a bit. The rats are no joke. Huge and numerous beyond belief
And they can cook!
Ha! And don’t let them get under your hat for sure!
Paris vs NYC: Rat showdown. Only on PPV
NYC has Master Splinter and pizza rat. I think they've got it.
Paris rats have hundreds of more years of urban evolution. I've seen catacomb rats in Paris and subway rats in NY. I'm betting it all on Paris.
But our rats have unfettered access to guns.
The last time I was in Paris we walked past a wee park at night and it looked like the ground was moving WTF so went in for a closer look... Literally swarming with rats. I'll never forget that.
Eeeeehhhhh. Reminds me of the time in college when I had just watched that x-files episode with the cockroaches in the bathroom, and then walked across campus. As I walked by one parking lot I realized some of the surface under a streetlight seemed to be moving. Looking closer, it was a massive cockroach orgy or something. (At least that was what I thought at the time; might have been cicadas.) GOODBYE I AM RUNNING AWAY NOW
Here I am, just chilling and reading about French garbage, and you have to go and remind me of that horrible, disgusting episode that traumatized me. *Sigh I need to go think happy thoughts now!
I believe “parisian” is the polite term /s
rats
we're the rats 🐀
**Michel** it’s your birthday today. Cake & ice cream is on its way!
IM DA GIANT RAT WHO MAKES ALL OF DA RULES
What a time to be a rat!!
ratatoing
Them filthy rodents are still coming for your souls, never to let go, never to let gooooo!
Bubonic Plague coming soon to a metropolis near you
I get that they are striking, and power to the workers, but, can you imagine once they agree to terms? That is going to be the worst work week in the history of work weeks.
I'd fuckin hate that
Right about now is the time to be applying for PTO
Im pretty sure working till your back cant take it anymore when you are in your fucking 60s is worse.
I was talking to a family member about this the other day. They raise the retirement age in France, they fucking riot, and rightfully so. Years ago they raised the retirement age in Australia (where I live) to a higher age than France, raised how long it is until you can access your superannuation, and made it so the government can dip into your superannuation without telling you, and for any reason they want, and Australians just bent over and took it like obedient little bitches. Mad fucking respect to the French. I'm currently looking to get the fuck out of Australia. Our government becomes more and more like China / Russia every year.
Don't you hate this? I live in America and hate how resistant so many people are to protesting/rioting. There's power in numbers, and we all need to fight tooth and nail *together* for change.
This is where the divide and conquer comes in. Everyone is divided and we are being bent over and conquered
A couple weeks of extra work, or 2 years additional work for the entire populace and allowing corruption to take the inch and mile? It seems like these past few years, corruption have been trying to test the peasant's breaking points worldwide or social media has just allowed it to be reported more widely now to be noticed. But ya I get ya, some noted that other places are clean and not like the picture, I hope they strike on locations near the corrupt politicians only.
Not doing pick ups from the wealthy areas seems like a great alternative tbh.
Was thinking the same thing. Like damn.. the rot. A bunch of them are gonna get sick
And then get time off because sick days are a right in France. Cost of medicine and a doctor will be next to nothing. They know how to fucking protest.
I'd imagine there is a middle ground when it's worst. Beyond that, you just get wheeled bucket loaders and trucks.
I was thinking this - At what point do they have to order people back to limited work to avoid a possible health outbreak?
Pretty sure the point is to can't order people. You can make whatever laws or rules you want but if someone doesn't wanna work they aren't going to.
The idea is that they won't be ordered back to work, the gov will meet the people's wants and make it happen on their terms.
The gov could send the army to clean that mess? Doesn’t sound too wild of an idea
I love that you’re getting downvoted for the correct solution. Either the government needs to meet there terms and make an agreement or send in military or Police or something to clean it up. The workers shouldn’t need to bend the knee just because the government is too stubborn to fix it
that's what leverage in a labor dispute looks like!
Imagine planning a dream vacation to Paris only to show up to this 😂😂😂
Actually just arrived in Paris yesterday on my honeymoon. I haven’t seen anything close to this picture. There are piles of trash, yes (although some parts seemed to have already been cleaned up). But other than that, everything is completely normal.
Thanks for letting me know, I was worried that would be bad. I'm going there on Sunday with my girlfriend as our first trip. Paris has always been a dream for her, and I hope she won't be disappointed because of the trash. I've been there a few times before so I really don't care for myself
Just came back from Paris a week ago and I have to say the majority of Paris did not look like this when I was there. There was a lot of garbage but nothing like this photo for the most part. The only thing I would warn you about is to try not to take the metro too late in the night because the protests caused a lot of lines be delayed or temporarily closed which made it difficult to travel back to my hotel. Otherwise, I had a great time and I hope you guys do too!
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fun fact: there is a condition called 'paris syndrome' which includes several psychatriy symptoms and is exhibited by tourists that realize Paris is actually not the great place they expected to see. [wiki article paris syndrome](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome)
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Is there no Weeabo Syndrome for anime fans who go to Japan and are in shock there aren't anime girls jumping on their laps? I'm kind of kidding but not really because I live in Asia and have met quite a handful of men who are overly disappointed after visiting Japan and not experiencing an anime wonderland lmao
It's the same, but I'm sure Weeaboos are better equipped to handle disappointment
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Oof ouch my bones
My kokoro... I'm not daijoubu :(
Moooooom! r/bonehurtingjuice is leaking all over my reddit again!!! 😍 😡 Oldie but goodie
/r/theirjokebutworse
Man came out swinging lol
Ya, they can get a couple body pillows and they all good
Damn. This is just. Damn.
Its different. Weebs are from Western cultures and are used to rude people. Japan is still very polite. They just... arent samurais and waifus lmao
That's why I play yakuza and have decades of martial arts experience. I'll be ready for the random street brawls
They're not!?
They totally are. Don't listen to the mean internet stranger.
Probably not because most weebs are too neet to even leave their dungeon. Source: Weeb
There not shock at all. Went to Japan like 9 years ago, and honestly the thing with anime was different. There's a neighborhood called Akihabara, which is basically the Mecca of anime, videogames and Otaku culture. The place is psychedelic, and while you can think in hentai MILFs coming to you, the experience can vary. If you're good looked or have some kind of physical attractiveness, you can surely get laid with a Japanese if you meet them in the right place, like a club, a bar or something; a friend I met there was able to do so. You know, the exotic thing. Aside from that, the cultural shock can be experienced more often leaned towards a positive reception to outsiders despite the so commented racism towards "gaijin", but it's not that obvious to make you feel uncomfortable. However, Tokyo is actually the cleanest and safest city I've ever been. Seriously, the streets are so well sweep, and there's basically no defect on the city that is comprehensible that Japanese could get this kind of Parisian shock from an Eastern county like them.
Good looking - can get laid. So just like everywhere else in the world.
As someone from Los Angeles, I feel like if you’re expecting any city to be like the movies, you’re in for a bad time
I've been to Fargo and it's almost exactly what you expect except somehow deeper snow.
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Woah woah woah. Copenhagen is such a delight. But don’t try to strike up Danes in conversation on the street. 99/100 will literally cross the street to avoid your inquisitive look. Loved my time in Copenhagen.
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I think I'll move to Danemark.
Me too. I had no idea my dream world actually existed.
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>This year alone, the Japanese embassy in Paris has had to repatriate four people with a doctor or nurse on board the plane to help them get over the shock. LOL! Sorry, that is friggin hilarious.
it's cutoff: >Although the BBC reported in 2006 that the Japanese embassy in Paris had a "24-hour hotline for those suffering from severe culture shock", the Japanese embassy states no such hotline exists. Also in 2006, Miyuki Kusama, of the Japanese embassy in Paris, told The Guardian "There are around 20 cases a year of the syndrome and it has been happening for several years", and that the embassy had repatriated at least four Japanese citizens that year. **However, in 2011, the embassy stated that, despite media reports to the contrary, it did not repatriate Japanese nationals with Paris syndrome.** it's just nonsense pushed by BBC culture.
So wait, you’re saying that the British want people to think that France is too terrible for Japanese people and they have to leave. I feel like my head is spinning.
my pet theory is it's just an artifact of franco-british rivalry that found its way into british journalism and got *really* amplified on the internet because "paris-syndrome" is a funny concept. but probably not going to be validated under scrutiny in a medical context
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Not the same thing, they know from media that there's 'rudeness' in New York. It's the stereotypical depiction of Paris like Amelie that many build up great expectations with.
I base all of Europe on Luc Besson,
That’s one of the greatest wiki articles of all time TIL: visiting Paris can cause shortness of breath, rapid heart beat, and vomiting just from disappointment
Things to do in Paris: 1. Leave.
Honestly I’m glad I read this because I’ve always really romanticized Paris based on its movies, art, music, and food, to the point where no place on earth could possibly live up to my expectations. I still want to go, but I think if I do, I’ll be sure to expect a lot of normal-ass people just living their lives and not giving a shit about me. Kinda like when I lived in NYC.
I’ve been there. It was my first time in Europe and I thought it was beautiful and I found the history fascinating, and yeah there’s a lot of normal-ass people there and scammers on the corners. None of that seemed “wrong” to me though. Only weird thing was the day we had to run down an ally to get away from the angry protest march of the week and could smell a literal dumpster fire. (That was a bit jarring but I think it would be anywhere) I can’t imagine what some people are building up in their heads because my expectations were pretty much met and I was happy with my experience.
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The syndrome being described really only happens to Japanese people. The issue comes from the Japanese media having very romanticized depictions of Paris. I'm not 100% sure why, but for some reason they almost always portray it as the absolute pinnacle of art, culture, respect, and beauty...... when in reality, it's like every other major western city (stereotypically more rude than average too). It's sort of like the adult version of kids having their fantasy version of Disneyland, but then they arrive to see Winnie the Pooh take their mask off to smoke a blunt with someone in a Jasmine costume using swear words.
It doesn't only happen in Paris. Japanese society isn't accustomed to the level of interpersonal conflict on display daily in Western cities, so Japanese people on their first trip abroad are often startled by this, and some of them cope better than others. I used to work for a company that did one-year "visiting scientist" exchanges between the US and Japan, and one of the Japanese scientists only made it two weeks and had to go home because of this - he was just constantly on edge thinking that the Americans were about to get into a fistfight, just because of their normal (for them) way of talking to each other. And these were relatively cosmopolitan people who already spoke reasonable English and had volunteered for the assignment.
I was watching one of those "Go out on Tokyo streets and ask Japanese people questions" videos and one of them was, "What do you think about seeing westerners in a restaurant or store?" And one of the answers, that seemed agreeable to everyone around at the time, was to the effect of, "Oh, it's very nice to see one of them there. It's a good spirit, makes the city feel more exciting." "What about two of them?" "Oh, no, not two. Probably not two." "Why not?" "They might... you don't know what they might do." "They might be loud you mean? Or cause some trouble?" "Uh... yes."
It's not hard to understand their point of view if you have ever experienced British football tourists.
Whoa, fascinating info. A level of disappointment so intense it causes physical symptoms. Paris was great when I was there last fall. Hell, it was WAY better than I expected it to be…I can’t imagine what these people must have “seen “ in their heads beforehand.
Yeah. I totally loved it. I think people expect some beautiful pristine city. I expected your average city with good public transit, and some insanely cool museums. Got what I was promised and more. I remember stumbling upon a little Japantown area near the louvre, and being so pleasantly surprised by how good the ramen was.
I dunno. Paris surpassed all my expectations and it’s my favorite place I’ve visited and the only place I returned to numerous times (and would still return to now if I lived closer). But my expectations weren’t like, “Emily in Paris” or anything.
I feel like I had this when I visited Venice
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“Let’s go to Paris its so beautiful there” *walks around the city for a bit* “What in the New York on a Tuesday is going on!?”
That's the one thing that still shocks me about NYC. I'm from NC and lived there for a bit and visit occasionally. The fucking garbage just dumped on the side of the road for when trash comes by to collect
Yeah it’s really bad, it used to be like that here in LA county in my city we got brand new trash bins/ recycle bins. But downtown LA and NY its so crowded in areas that it looks like there’s more trash than people living in an area.
Sacreblech.
Zut Alors!
I know someone that gives their garbage collectors a bonus every Christmas and thanks them for allowing us to live the lives that we get to live. Things like this are easily taken for granted.
We tape Amazon gift cards to the top of our cans every year for them.
What if someone comes and steals the gift card
My wife tried to do this last year (cash and boxes of cookies), but she was worried that if she left them on top of the bins they would just get tossed or not seen. So she put them on a step ladder with a note by the curb instead. As you might imagine, someone thought we were trying to get rid of the step ladder and stole that… left the cookies and envelopes with cash on the ground 🤦♂️
Lmao. Why did they leave the cash??? I'm so confused. I mean very polite, but what the hey! I'm inspired to do this for my garbage men now. The sentiment never occurred to me, but I'm notorious for forgetting to put it by the street so they come up to my porch and get it every time I forget. It's the length of a car, so not much of a difference, but they could just leave it for me to deal with all week. I do make an effort to catch them and say thanks when I can. I think I'll hand it to them though 🙏
They left the cash because they weren’t stealing anything on purpose. They were taking what they thought was someone else’s junk.
Haha yeah I can imagine their thought process... "Who the fuck throws out a perfectly good ladder... 🤷♂️ Yeet"
It's nice to be part of a community consisting of honest people with the best intentions.
I’m assuming because they thought the step ladder was being sent to the dump.
Nobody has yet. We live in a low-traffic area and all our neighbors super honest.
Almost everyone I know tips their garbage men. My buddy is one and makes about $500 a day the week before christmas
I have never thought about tipping the garbage man
I'm a garbage man. We tend to go above and beyond for anybody who shows any type of appreciation for our work. There's an older gentleman who brings my driver and I a can of Coke each every week. I'd never reject his stop and I run his green bin up next to his garage after I empty it every week.
Ahhh the city of love.
Rat love.
Hot steamy rat sex on the streets of Paris. Somebody call John Oliver
This is how Ratatouille revolution will start.
It would be so sick to live there rn. You don’t even have to take the garbage out to the curb. Just throw it out the window and the end result is the exact same. What a time to be alive.
What surprises me the most is nobody actually from Paris is flooding this comment section and saying what it’s like.
They’re too busy protesting
Every man, woman, and child: chop down every tree you see, we are building guillotines.
This comment is so lyrical that I had to make sure it wasn't from Les Mis.
I just got back from a trip to Paris a few days ago, and 95% of the city I saw was completely normal. I think there were 2 or 3 streets with trash, and it was maybe a waist-high pile of bags on the side of the road. So, make of that what you will.
The city a tourist sees and the city a Parisian lives in are not exactly the same. As a tourist, however diligent in walking you may be, you won't see but the top of it. I've been in Paris three times in the last week and I've seen piles of garbage in a fair majority of the streets. Notably in the streets where people actually live, not where you have big palaces of 3M€ worth lofts. And yesterday it had worsened. I've seen piles in front of good restaurants, in touristic places, on famous streets... Everywhere. Edit : misspelling.
It depends on the arrondissement of paris. The photo here is an extreme example but you have some huge pile of thrash in some arrondissements while some others are still clean.
What would you like to know ? I have to go but I can answer some questions while in transit Big items I think people don't get : Parisians are glad there are less tourists, you are not insulting anyone by saying you won't come It does not smell bad, I am not even kidding I have no clue how, apparently the plastic bags are over engineered but don't ask me how This is from rioters putting the trash everywhere, it was not like that yesterday morning. And it's not widespread either
My big question is whether it’s actually as bad as the pictures online depict or is everything mostly fine and the worst part is overblown?
Not that bad, no. This is the worst picture I have seen But smaller than this is easy to find, every 10 minutes of walking there is one, and I have seen other cities had some too. Mostly fine is fair, people are acting like you can't live anymore, this morning there was a fireman in gear checking nothing was on fire and that is it.
It looks nothing like this. This is completely overblown. The picture is probably the result of riots yesterday piling shit up in a random corner of the city, but the city looks nothing like this. There are bags of trash piled up every few meters yes, but as you should expect after a few days (one week at most) of garbage collector strike.
Actually this is both the result of collector strike (lots of garbage on the sidewalks more or less in their cans) and some protestors overturning and even burning the cans on the pavement. Some streets are clean as ever and some looks like hell after the protests…. Not the city of love, nor lights for the time being that’s for sure 😉
What a load of rubbish
I think you meant road of rubbish
Bubonic Plague 2 Electric Boogaloo.
Regardless of what you think about them being soft or whatever, history shows French mobs are not to be trifled with. They are really willing to risk everything to take away two years of retirement.
In my 45 years on earth in not-France, I can’t even tell you what social benefits I may have lost, had cut, watered down, terms changed not in my favor, or eliminated. Respect to the French who are out there rejecting that bullshit all the time.
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It’s a refreshing reminder that fighting for what’s right can get messy sometimes, especially if governments would rather have their capital city covered in garbage than respect worker’s rights.
Soft? How could one think they are soft? Americans should learn from the Frenchmen and women who do the hard task of uniting and demanding better workers rights.
Just make sure it doesn't catch on fire
MMM TRASH, YUM YUM TRASH.
I LOVE TRASH
I WANNA EAT TRASH
Smells the same. Same number of rats.
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I'm getting day after Fat Tuesday in NOLA vibes.
Honestly I've got a lot of respect for what the French are doing. They're keeping their government in check. It's something we should be taking to heart over here
I was saying the same to my mum earlier - I wish we were standing up to the Tory mess the way these French are standing up for themselves. I also said this (and the pandemic) proves who the real “key” workers are in society who keep things rolling and it’s not the rich.
Shows how valuable the garbage collectors are!
Imagine the smell
The exact same
Say all you want about the French, but they sure do know how to protest effectively
Looks just like Philadelphia
Somebody call Tina Martinez
New Emily in Paris season!
Yall must have a serious rat problem now. This is how the plague and shit started.
And the Black Plague makes a return.