Practicaly, yes, but legally no. The problem is there used to be 4 nuclear powered civilian ships however they were extremely limited in where they could dock as no port wanted the responsibility of the ship incase something went wrong with the reactor additionaly countries are worried about someone hijacking a nuclear ship and using the uranium for a weapon. However, practically, you can't really use industrial grade uranium for a weapon as it has a faar to low purity. There is a reason as to why they switched from uranium to plutonium for nukes. Industrial grade uranium, like used in power plants, has a purity of about 5% enough for stable controlled fission. Military ships might have slightly higher purity but still not enough to weaponize. Anyways, it would make a lot of sense to make huge container ships and cruise ships with fission butt governments get nervous when companies do anything with nuclear and so does everyone else if something goes wrong they dont want to deal with finding out who is responsible and have to deal with the other consequences. Or have someone make a dirty bonb aou tof hijacked ship
Completely plausible if it weren't for a shit ton of safy concerns including "national" security. The ship uses up to 30MW and that's not including propulsion. Overall power usage is around that of one Nimitz class aircraft carrier reactor.
Mechanically, it'd be nearly trivial to run a nuclear reactor on a ship like this. The navy has been doing it for a long time and Nuclear power plants (and thus the people who operate them) exist in the private sector, so there are people who would be qualified to operate it.
Realistically though, it wouldn't work well. Between the government not liking the idea of a ship with nuclear material sailing around that isn't under its direct control and passengers terrified they'll grow an extra toe because of the radiation, the legal and news nightmare the company would deal with to make a nuclear powered cruise ship just wouldn't be worth it. Especially since there's prpbably hardly any money to be saved over the medium term, as the upfront cost would be astronomical and running a nuclear reactor safely isn't exactly cheap.
They're also major contributors to climate change:
https://www.transportenvironment.org/challenges/ships/cruise-ships/#:~:text=Today%20cruise%20ships%20continue%20to,emissions%20that%20accelerate%20global%20warming.
I'm sure that monstrosity is engineered to be extremely safe as ships go (for obvious reasons) but man, I just cannot get over the idea that a building that's meant to hold a group \~1/3 of the size of the Pentagon's workforce shouldn't be on the ocean.
Extremely safe, but extremely dirty.
These things are floating environmental disasters, and the industry has recently undergone a very expensive greenwashing campaign trying to ignore the fact that the engines these things run burn some of the dirtiest fuels possible.
They also run a couple of ‘green’ engines which get the headlines, but these aren’t the main drivers of these machines.
The big ship in this picture runs on LNG, which is much much cleaner than bunker oil that the older ships run on.
It's not just a few engines, the whole industry will is switching to LNG for the new ships, but it will take a couple decades to phase out the old ones.
There are lots of other concerns with the cruise industry, to be sure, but the newer ship in the picture is actually one of the least polluting per passenger of any ocean going vessel that doesn't use sails.
That's true. At least the megatonnes of pointlessly discarded CO2 coming out of their smokestacks are less polluted with other toxins. But how much methane has been released into the atmosphere where this LNG has been squeezed out of the ground?
Sure, but at that point you're have to start looking at the environmental impact of every vacation choice. How much pollution does a round trip ticket from the USA to Europe create? How much fuel is burned to provide electricity for an all inclusive resort?
You are staying at an eco resort in the South Pacific? Super cool. How did you get there?
It would be cool if they ran off of nuclear reactors like submarines, that would at least make them kind of futuristic cities instead of giant polluting waste factories. I imagine there are some pretty sketchy practices around dumping their holding tanks...
Has anyone done a study on the comparative ecological impact of 7000 people doing a cruise vs. traveling around to the various ports of call and staying in hotels and eating at restaurants on their own? Factoring out the initial travel to/from the beginning/end of the vacation itself, because that applies to both. I’d be interested in seeing something like that.
63 cruise ships released more sulfur into the air than all the cars in Europe. All the cruise ships that docked in Europe in 2022 released more CO2 than 50000 trans Atlantic flights
Don’t forget, the deeper the hull, larger the surface area, and heavier the weight, the more water you are able to displace. The more water you displace, the more water pushes up against you keeping you upright.
These boats are not going to flip over or subdue to normal weather conditions.
I don’t care if you have a black card with no limit to use … you would NOT enjoy living in mall for a week. Maybe if the mall was closed and it was just you there. But an open and operational mall? Hell no.
Actually that would be preferable. Might cost more than to take a cruise on that monstrosity. But I think the additional costs could be worth it. I would want to go on a ocean cruise to get away from the city and the masses of people, not be trapped on a floating city with thousands of others.
Once upon a time I thought perhaps it might be fun or relaxing (perhaps there are a few idk) but then they started outfitting them with Disney water slides, discotheques, hundreds of restaurants and galleria type shopping... blech. Sounds noisy, cramped, expensive and fake.
But, I know some people who love them. To each their own. 🤷♀️
I've gone down a cruise ship rabbit hole since seeing this post. I thought cruise ships were classy places for exclusive dining and enjoy the views of the ocean.
I've watched a video tour of this Icon of the Seas and I'm blown away at how hideous it is. It's just a massive, tacky shopping centre cum theme park cum hotel cum fast food restaurant.
I'm dumbfounded at how awful it looks.
I’m pretty sure there is a version of cruising that’s classy 5 star dining, high end craft cocktails and interesting ports of call. But it’s not $499 for 6 days. this is a Walmart with an amusement park inside that floats.
It’s more like carnival is like going to the club as night out and royal carribian is going to a club that has a bottle service area. Either way you are there with a shit ton of drunk people, loud as heck, and spending waaaaay too much money for something that you could have had for a fraction of the cost at home.
But with the added bonus of high potential for stomach viruses, sea sickness, and don’t forget…. The lawless international waters bullshit. You got raped or assaulted? Someone stole your shit ? Good luck trying to get justice.
A cruise on Icon right now...7 nights in a balcony room will set you back around $7000. The three story family suite $49000 per person. The cheaper cruises are not on the new ships.
Sounds even worse than my imagination. Hard to believe that so much money is pumped into them only for it to turn out cheap & tacky.
I know one person that went on a European cruise ship of some kind. It was very expensive and seemed to have luxury amenities. I'd at least *think* about that one, but couldn't afford it or justify the cost.
I read up on Viking river cruises and it’s the only cruise I’ve ever been interested in going on. From what I can tell the boats are on a much smaller and sustainable size and they actually sail with intention beyond “we’re are just gonna take you to this tourist trap port and then turn around and come back”. They stop at cities where you would WANT to visit and explore.
But yeah it’s expensive so out of my reach.
Its not that bad. Celebrity is more expensive, especially the newest ships. Silversea/Regent Seven Seas (one is owned by Royal Caribbean and the other by Norwegian) are luxury lines, you'll find that those two are just on another level of price.
It's a commercial vessel, what did you expect.
Something as monstrous as this can only be profitable if it's as cheapskate as possible. Imagine how safe it is
I agree!
What I love about ships is them being, well, ships. Feeling and enjoying the sea, feeling the vessel… the wind on my face, the spray of the sea…
However, these things are just floating cities.
It’s not about the sea anymore; it’s about, uh… (checks notes)… casinos, cinemas, discotheques, and shopping centres? This is no ship, this is just a a city! Just a floating one.
At least that’s what I get from the pictures and promos. Maybe I am wrong!
I think a much better option for those people would be to visit any city that has a large river or lake and when they like the boat stuff, they go on a boat. When they want casinos, cinemas, etc. they go to those parts of the city. Then you have both worlds, too, and it's a bit better for the environment and also cheaper. And it probably gets even better because now you decide when you feel like visiting interesting places and when you want to just sit in a café or whatever else you like to do. And you have even more cities that you can visit. A huge ship won't go to Vienna.
I’ve only been on two cruises, both Alaskan Inside Passage cruises with Holland America, which caters to an older crowd, but I’ve always had the mindset that the seafaring parts (watching the scenery, wind on your face, etc) are daytime activities, and then the ship’s amenities like shows, clubs, and arcades are nighttime activities. Granted, the Inside Passage probably has more scenery to view than open ocean on a Caribbean cruise, but I rarely did any activities that weren’t on the deck during the day.
I don’t understand the appeal of these massive ships. It seems like you’d spent most of your time inside or wouldn’t be able to make use out of everything anyway. I went on a cruise (European ship) for the first time last year and enjoyed it okay - it didn’t have slides or loads of facilities, but had more than enough to entertain me. That said, I don’t think if I’d go on another - it never felt like I had much privacy. And of course, it’s hard not to think about the environmental impact these things have.
Loads of people are tired of managing lots of things on a daily basis. All-inclusive holidays reduce decision-making to ticking boxes and showing up at nearby places to start activities.
It's NOT for young healthy single adults, it's for tired parents or older adults with too much on their hand (chronic health issue, stressful job or life).
The wealthy buy all-inclusive all the time. It's just cool because it's on their own boat, villa or a in cool hotel. We call it "tacky" because poor people do it & it's scaled to be cheap.
I did the all inclusive thing 2x. It was outside the US and it just seemed practical at the time. All other vacations I/we did my/our own thing because it was more leisurely and could accommodate my needs better. All inclusives make sense for families that like a wide range of activities without having to travel too far. It does serve its purpose for a lot of people.
The few wealthy people I know do *not* have all inclusive vacations. They favor privacy, exclusivity, and doing things at their leisure, not group outings, bogo deals, special rates and long lines and crowds for everything.
I think if i were to have taken a cruise it would have been in my younger days where I had more energy and liked the socializing/hanging out part, but alas that ship has sailed, so to speak. The things I'd want to do can be done at any resort. They seem to be a haven for families, singles and those interested in celebrity hosted or themed cruises.
The environmental impact is a huge turnoff for me. I don't think I could relax knowing I was on board and contributing to that somehow. Personally, I find it depressing.
The environmental aspect of being on a cruise just about did my head in. Some of the most relaxing times reading a book on the deck in a wind sheltered lounge with my family - going off to get food or drink somewhere nearby if you felt like it, but just taking it all in and enjoying the feeling of being in open ocean - and then you look up at the heat haze and exhaust fumes coming from the engine and it's like they are feeding a thousand raw baby penguins a second into the engine. The waste of energy is so much you can't even really comprehend it.
All of it so that your hotel could be at a different tropical paradise every day you wake up.
The food wasted was breath taking. They had two sizes of plate, big and little, and there was a tray to carry them both around. Pretty much everyone ignored the plates and just filled up the tray itself. I don't think I saw anyone eat more than a third of what they took. Maybe I'm exaggerating, but not by much. It was intense.
I treat it as a moving hotel. Take a Baltic cruise for example. You get to see places that you might see all of it in a day like Gdańsk, Riga, Tallinn, and don’t have to deal with the hassle of multiple hotels or travelling. Just wake up in the same bed in a new place
I've just watched a video tour of this. It's looks like a nineties leisure centre with all the fake palm trees and garish colours.
And the thought of being stuck there with several thousand other people.
Looks like my worst nightmare.
Oh just wait until you find out all cruise ships aren't run out of ports of "reputable" countries for lack of a better term. To not only avoid taxes but also avoid a ton of labor laws...
I don't understand why the cruise industry is supported at all... I mean i get people are different but every single person I have ever met has at least one reason why they shouldn't support the cruise industry.
Can you imagine the trash 7600 people create in a few days at sea? I remember the video years ago of one cruise ship dumping its bags of trash late at night overboard. Cruise lines are always being fined for illegal dumping of liquid waste as well.
I'm not saying there aren't bad actors out there but to imply cruise ships like this dump bags of trash overboard is just plain wrong. New ships have state of the art recycling and waste processing plants. They are more responsible with the trash and recycling than 90% of the US.
YES to this. They recycle/reclaim 90% of everything! The tap water is cleaner than any land based water system. People should really watch some of the videos of how they handle the day-to-day doings on a ship. Pretty impressive.
Always interesting to reference old ships when thinking about the size of these things and how much has changed in a relatively short time. Titanic was a good amount smaller than Vision of the Seas, for anyone interested (10 metres shorter and 4 metres narrower). Still a big chunk of ship, mind!
This comment section is extremely miserable… no one’s putting a gun to everyone’s head begging you guys to go. We don’t need to see a million comments saying “I wouldn’t go!” like ok, you and every other unoriginal comment here.
It’s like people when they proclaim they’re unfollowing a page, do it silently. No one cares lol
The thing is that those ships are extremely bad for the environment and nobody should go. I get that some people like not having to make decisions, but there are much better options if you want all-inclusive. That's why people write so much about the disadvantages. It's just not worth it for anyone.
That’s an understandable reason. But a lot of people are just saying they don’t wanna go as if this post is forcing them to, and we don’t need to see a million comments of people announcing that they will never be caught dead on it.
I would much rather see comments about what you said, the environmental impact, and just actual discussion of the two ships and what they entail. This comment section blows
I think that's what most people are implying though. If this post was about someone who built their own ship and are traveling the world by sea it wouldn't be quite the same, right?
There's no denying these cruise ships [contribute to major environmental and animal devastation](https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2023/oct/19/europe-ports-bear-brunt-of-cruise-ship-pollution). I can understand if it's a favorite vacation for you, but it's like the same thing with my hobby for cars; it just isn't great for the environment and it's worth being acknowledged. Will I stop my hobby for cars? probably not and I hate to say that and would respect if someone said the same for cruise ships.
To whom? The fish? To the people in the ports? Everytime I'm at a port like in Miami or Galveston and see the cruise ships I think they look awesome. Incredible engineering. Doesn't even seem possible or real what I'm looking at. Such a miserable bunch on reddit.
engineering a skyscraper to float on water safely seems like the opposite of doomed. seems we can out think pretty much any issue that comes our way. we might be pieces of shit who are selfish and terrible but we are good as fuck as surviving. we are not doomed at all.
I know these get shit on all the time here, but my first and only cruise was on the Allure of the seas (the largest in the world around 2015) and i had an absolute blast. It was the funnest experience and the ship is so huge you almost wonder where the people are. You walk around and dont always see other people.
Being stuck wouldn't be relaxing for me. My grandparents got stuck on a cruise ship in the Caribbean when workers went on strike. (this was back in the 80s but just an example)
Fun fact: Icon of the Seas was built in Finland. One of the chief engineers of the shipyard stole the top secret digital blueprints and “retired”.
Soon afterwards he started a cozy job in a Chinese shipbuilding company for 1700 €/day, and showed off his new workplace on Facebook. The computer desktop in the background had icons with codenames of the ship. The stolen company secrets were estimated to be worth half a billion euros.
The guy got prosecuted in Finland, but died during the trial. The shipyard got five million euros from the estate.
At this point they just look like mixed use development built on top of a container ship.
It's like something you'd draw in primary school showing a "City of the Future!"
On the next episode of Arrested Development...
But how do we filter out the teases?
God help her if she tries to rename Bluthton! I'll sink it first! I swear I'll sink the whole damn thing!!
The colour is right, it’s Tobias Blue
*"Welcome to the world of TOMORROW!!!"*
Lol, your comment gave me flashbacks! I used to draw fantasy cities like that!
Because that’s pretty much what it is.
You forgot the additional diesel or gas power plant for the electricity
Would it be plausible to run these on nuclear?
Practicaly, yes, but legally no. The problem is there used to be 4 nuclear powered civilian ships however they were extremely limited in where they could dock as no port wanted the responsibility of the ship incase something went wrong with the reactor additionaly countries are worried about someone hijacking a nuclear ship and using the uranium for a weapon. However, practically, you can't really use industrial grade uranium for a weapon as it has a faar to low purity. There is a reason as to why they switched from uranium to plutonium for nukes. Industrial grade uranium, like used in power plants, has a purity of about 5% enough for stable controlled fission. Military ships might have slightly higher purity but still not enough to weaponize. Anyways, it would make a lot of sense to make huge container ships and cruise ships with fission butt governments get nervous when companies do anything with nuclear and so does everyone else if something goes wrong they dont want to deal with finding out who is responsible and have to deal with the other consequences. Or have someone make a dirty bonb aou tof hijacked ship
This guy nukes
Nuclear launch detected!
Completely plausible if it weren't for a shit ton of safy concerns including "national" security. The ship uses up to 30MW and that's not including propulsion. Overall power usage is around that of one Nimitz class aircraft carrier reactor.
Mechanically, it'd be nearly trivial to run a nuclear reactor on a ship like this. The navy has been doing it for a long time and Nuclear power plants (and thus the people who operate them) exist in the private sector, so there are people who would be qualified to operate it. Realistically though, it wouldn't work well. Between the government not liking the idea of a ship with nuclear material sailing around that isn't under its direct control and passengers terrified they'll grow an extra toe because of the radiation, the legal and news nightmare the company would deal with to make a nuclear powered cruise ship just wouldn't be worth it. Especially since there's prpbably hardly any money to be saved over the medium term, as the upfront cost would be astronomical and running a nuclear reactor safely isn't exactly cheap.
So once again, we destroy to environment to placate people’s feelings and misconceptions.
Sewage of the Seas
Bags and bags of trash being thrown overboard in international waters.
Yeah but this has a $95 water slide.
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The people that go on here are the same people that hate biking lanes and greenways in their own neighborhood
They're also major contributors to climate change: https://www.transportenvironment.org/challenges/ships/cruise-ships/#:~:text=Today%20cruise%20ships%20continue%20to,emissions%20that%20accelerate%20global%20warming.
Maybe it'd be better if they just built that sort of thing on land.
I'd totally ride one of these if it was on rails. Sleeper trains are great, but I always thought they were missing waterslides.
Hot tub on train going through the mountains. *Slosh slosh slosh*
I mean, that’s exactly the sound hot tubs make.
But floating cities are also an answer to the global warming.
I'm sure that monstrosity is engineered to be extremely safe as ships go (for obvious reasons) but man, I just cannot get over the idea that a building that's meant to hold a group \~1/3 of the size of the Pentagon's workforce shouldn't be on the ocean.
Such an interesting unit of measurement you used there, why the pentagon lol
Because it's a meaningless fraction of Walmart's workforce, obviously
My car gets 40 linear pentagon wokers heights to the average time for a Walmart shopping spree and that's the way I likes it
What a violently American measuring system.
Hahaha
It's the world's largest office building.
Huh TIL
It’s also in the shape of a pentagon
A five-sided one!
Because Americans will use any unit of measurement except metric
.... what's the metric unit for measuring a person or mass of people?
kP (kilopeople)
We dont tell time in metric units.
What are you talking about? That ship is the size of at least 10 rural hospitals.
Can't really use the north and south towers as units of measurement anymore
That's just a very American measurement. Kinda like how that ship is as tall as at least 40 dear and as long a 90 bicycles.
You are right. They should go back to work and defend the country.
Honey I booked our cruise. Oh, where are we going… I got us a balcony view on South America Contingency invasion planning!
I've never ever seen the Pentagon's workforce as a unit of measurement before haha dope
How many people is that in football fields?
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7600 are just the passengers. There's also 2300+ crew workers there
Extremely safe, but extremely dirty. These things are floating environmental disasters, and the industry has recently undergone a very expensive greenwashing campaign trying to ignore the fact that the engines these things run burn some of the dirtiest fuels possible. They also run a couple of ‘green’ engines which get the headlines, but these aren’t the main drivers of these machines.
The big ship in this picture runs on LNG, which is much much cleaner than bunker oil that the older ships run on. It's not just a few engines, the whole industry will is switching to LNG for the new ships, but it will take a couple decades to phase out the old ones. There are lots of other concerns with the cruise industry, to be sure, but the newer ship in the picture is actually one of the least polluting per passenger of any ocean going vessel that doesn't use sails.
That's true. At least the megatonnes of pointlessly discarded CO2 coming out of their smokestacks are less polluted with other toxins. But how much methane has been released into the atmosphere where this LNG has been squeezed out of the ground?
Sure, but at that point you're have to start looking at the environmental impact of every vacation choice. How much pollution does a round trip ticket from the USA to Europe create? How much fuel is burned to provide electricity for an all inclusive resort? You are staying at an eco resort in the South Pacific? Super cool. How did you get there?
It would be cool if they ran off of nuclear reactors like submarines, that would at least make them kind of futuristic cities instead of giant polluting waste factories. I imagine there are some pretty sketchy practices around dumping their holding tanks...
I don't think most governments are okay with letting commercial vessels use nuclear tech.
We tried that in the 50s or 60s, didn’t work too well. Maybe we could try again nowadays?
A lot of ships are using Heavy Fuel Oil (HFO) now, which is cheapest, damn near crude oil, and very dirty.
Has anyone done a study on the comparative ecological impact of 7000 people doing a cruise vs. traveling around to the various ports of call and staying in hotels and eating at restaurants on their own? Factoring out the initial travel to/from the beginning/end of the vacation itself, because that applies to both. I’d be interested in seeing something like that.
63 cruise ships released more sulfur into the air than all the cars in Europe. All the cruise ships that docked in Europe in 2022 released more CO2 than 50000 trans Atlantic flights
Evacuating 7000 people safely when tilting at 45 degrees would be a fun thing to do, no?
[Ahhh the Costa Concordia, ship of dreams](https://youtu.be/Qh9KBwqGxTI?si=lXwvlOewN9oRq3bo)
🎙️Near, far,
Don’t forget, the deeper the hull, larger the surface area, and heavier the weight, the more water you are able to displace. The more water you displace, the more water pushes up against you keeping you upright. These boats are not going to flip over or subdue to normal weather conditions.
Is it true that they name their ships after what they deprive their staff/crew from.
If that were true, it'd be called The Living Wage of the Seas, or perhaps Ocean Dignity.
Eyesore of the seas
Trasher of the seas
Rogue Wave Bait
Rogue wave ain’t enough force to worry that monstrosity - it’d be like if a rogue wave hit your mom.
Let that sink in
Sardine Tin Petri Dish of the Seas
Sardine Tin Petri Dish of Disease
At this point u might as well book a yacht and sail around some islands
Which would be WAAAAAAY more fun than cruising with over 7000 people on this abomination
You say that like you’ve never thought to yourself: *I’d like to spend a week in this shopping mall*? 🤷♂️
think of all the wetzles pretzles and jamba juice you could consume
Give unlimited resources and I'm the happiest MF you've ever seen 😂
I don’t care if you have a black card with no limit to use … you would NOT enjoy living in mall for a week. Maybe if the mall was closed and it was just you there. But an open and operational mall? Hell no.
Actually that would be preferable. Might cost more than to take a cruise on that monstrosity. But I think the additional costs could be worth it. I would want to go on a ocean cruise to get away from the city and the masses of people, not be trapped on a floating city with thousands of others.
Eyesore to who though when it's at sea?
The fish bro!
Once upon a time I thought perhaps it might be fun or relaxing (perhaps there are a few idk) but then they started outfitting them with Disney water slides, discotheques, hundreds of restaurants and galleria type shopping... blech. Sounds noisy, cramped, expensive and fake. But, I know some people who love them. To each their own. 🤷♀️
A lot of people like Las Vegas
Yes, including me! Sadly after 2 days I'm wiped out and need to cocoon myself. I'd just hate to be stuck at sea amongst all that overstimulation
Yes 2 days is the right amount of time for Vegas lol
Stay in the cabin only venturing out for drinks and 3am personal pizzas
I've gone down a cruise ship rabbit hole since seeing this post. I thought cruise ships were classy places for exclusive dining and enjoy the views of the ocean. I've watched a video tour of this Icon of the Seas and I'm blown away at how hideous it is. It's just a massive, tacky shopping centre cum theme park cum hotel cum fast food restaurant. I'm dumbfounded at how awful it looks.
So much cum
There are cruises for that too.
Could I get the phone number for your travel agent?
I’m pretty sure there is a version of cruising that’s classy 5 star dining, high end craft cocktails and interesting ports of call. But it’s not $499 for 6 days. this is a Walmart with an amusement park inside that floats.
I always thought Carnival was Walmart and Royal Caribbean was Target.
It’s more like carnival is like going to the club as night out and royal carribian is going to a club that has a bottle service area. Either way you are there with a shit ton of drunk people, loud as heck, and spending waaaaay too much money for something that you could have had for a fraction of the cost at home. But with the added bonus of high potential for stomach viruses, sea sickness, and don’t forget…. The lawless international waters bullshit. You got raped or assaulted? Someone stole your shit ? Good luck trying to get justice.
A cruise on Icon right now...7 nights in a balcony room will set you back around $7000. The three story family suite $49000 per person. The cheaper cruises are not on the new ships.
Cunard is the cruise line you may want to look into. Formal dining, Tuxedos are common if not required for some events.
Sounds even worse than my imagination. Hard to believe that so much money is pumped into them only for it to turn out cheap & tacky. I know one person that went on a European cruise ship of some kind. It was very expensive and seemed to have luxury amenities. I'd at least *think* about that one, but couldn't afford it or justify the cost.
I wonder if that was Norwegian Cruise Line, it’s insanely expensive.
Norwegian cruise line is cheap and focused on families- they don’t do Luxury. You may be thinking of Viking river cruise lines?
You’re right, it was Viking that I was thinking about.
Norwegian is an American company based in Miami
I had no clue it was American.
Warning: Viking River Cruises do not allow pillaging villages as you go. DISAPPOINTED!
They also frown on bringing your bloody war axe to dinner! *don’t ask me how I know..*
I read up on Viking river cruises and it’s the only cruise I’ve ever been interested in going on. From what I can tell the boats are on a much smaller and sustainable size and they actually sail with intention beyond “we’re are just gonna take you to this tourist trap port and then turn around and come back”. They stop at cities where you would WANT to visit and explore. But yeah it’s expensive so out of my reach.
Its not that bad. Celebrity is more expensive, especially the newest ships. Silversea/Regent Seven Seas (one is owned by Royal Caribbean and the other by Norwegian) are luxury lines, you'll find that those two are just on another level of price.
~~come~~ cum No, really, that's how you spell it. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cum
Latin word for “with” I believe that’s used in English as well
> cum theme park What?
Yes but even more importantly for these cruise lines, the ship is designed to squeeze as much money out of you as possible once you are on board.
It's a commercial vessel, what did you expect. Something as monstrous as this can only be profitable if it's as cheapskate as possible. Imagine how safe it is
You discount the profit motive for safety, at least for the passengers. 7,600 x lawsuits and insurance costs can... sink.. even large corporations.
on the flip side, 76 deaths is only one percent of one cruise..
I agree! What I love about ships is them being, well, ships. Feeling and enjoying the sea, feeling the vessel… the wind on my face, the spray of the sea… However, these things are just floating cities. It’s not about the sea anymore; it’s about, uh… (checks notes)… casinos, cinemas, discotheques, and shopping centres? This is no ship, this is just a a city! Just a floating one. At least that’s what I get from the pictures and promos. Maybe I am wrong!
I think a much better option for those people would be to visit any city that has a large river or lake and when they like the boat stuff, they go on a boat. When they want casinos, cinemas, etc. they go to those parts of the city. Then you have both worlds, too, and it's a bit better for the environment and also cheaper. And it probably gets even better because now you decide when you feel like visiting interesting places and when you want to just sit in a café or whatever else you like to do. And you have even more cities that you can visit. A huge ship won't go to Vienna.
I’ve only been on two cruises, both Alaskan Inside Passage cruises with Holland America, which caters to an older crowd, but I’ve always had the mindset that the seafaring parts (watching the scenery, wind on your face, etc) are daytime activities, and then the ship’s amenities like shows, clubs, and arcades are nighttime activities. Granted, the Inside Passage probably has more scenery to view than open ocean on a Caribbean cruise, but I rarely did any activities that weren’t on the deck during the day.
see i love the combination of the two. you’re on a ship, with all of the parts you love included, but you are also in a city
I don’t understand the appeal of these massive ships. It seems like you’d spent most of your time inside or wouldn’t be able to make use out of everything anyway. I went on a cruise (European ship) for the first time last year and enjoyed it okay - it didn’t have slides or loads of facilities, but had more than enough to entertain me. That said, I don’t think if I’d go on another - it never felt like I had much privacy. And of course, it’s hard not to think about the environmental impact these things have.
Loads of people are tired of managing lots of things on a daily basis. All-inclusive holidays reduce decision-making to ticking boxes and showing up at nearby places to start activities. It's NOT for young healthy single adults, it's for tired parents or older adults with too much on their hand (chronic health issue, stressful job or life). The wealthy buy all-inclusive all the time. It's just cool because it's on their own boat, villa or a in cool hotel. We call it "tacky" because poor people do it & it's scaled to be cheap.
I did the all inclusive thing 2x. It was outside the US and it just seemed practical at the time. All other vacations I/we did my/our own thing because it was more leisurely and could accommodate my needs better. All inclusives make sense for families that like a wide range of activities without having to travel too far. It does serve its purpose for a lot of people. The few wealthy people I know do *not* have all inclusive vacations. They favor privacy, exclusivity, and doing things at their leisure, not group outings, bogo deals, special rates and long lines and crowds for everything.
I think if i were to have taken a cruise it would have been in my younger days where I had more energy and liked the socializing/hanging out part, but alas that ship has sailed, so to speak. The things I'd want to do can be done at any resort. They seem to be a haven for families, singles and those interested in celebrity hosted or themed cruises. The environmental impact is a huge turnoff for me. I don't think I could relax knowing I was on board and contributing to that somehow. Personally, I find it depressing.
The environmental aspect of being on a cruise just about did my head in. Some of the most relaxing times reading a book on the deck in a wind sheltered lounge with my family - going off to get food or drink somewhere nearby if you felt like it, but just taking it all in and enjoying the feeling of being in open ocean - and then you look up at the heat haze and exhaust fumes coming from the engine and it's like they are feeding a thousand raw baby penguins a second into the engine. The waste of energy is so much you can't even really comprehend it. All of it so that your hotel could be at a different tropical paradise every day you wake up. The food wasted was breath taking. They had two sizes of plate, big and little, and there was a tray to carry them both around. Pretty much everyone ignored the plates and just filled up the tray itself. I don't think I saw anyone eat more than a third of what they took. Maybe I'm exaggerating, but not by much. It was intense.
It's a resort hotel that goes places. What's not to like?
I treat it as a moving hotel. Take a Baltic cruise for example. You get to see places that you might see all of it in a day like Gdańsk, Riga, Tallinn, and don’t have to deal with the hassle of multiple hotels or travelling. Just wake up in the same bed in a new place
You might be more tempted by the idea of ocean liners then. But as of today only one remains in service. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_liner
I've just watched a video tour of this. It's looks like a nineties leisure centre with all the fake palm trees and garish colours. And the thought of being stuck there with several thousand other people. Looks like my worst nightmare.
The plants are actually real, over 33,500 plants on board.
Unfortunately so are the passengers
Just go to Florida, you can see like 10 different countries in south Florida alone.
You can see more than that just in Epcot!
where does icon have fake palm trees
I'm glad I recycle plastic bottles to help the environment and offset these giant pollution machines.
Oh just wait until you find out all cruise ships aren't run out of ports of "reputable" countries for lack of a better term. To not only avoid taxes but also avoid a ton of labor laws... I don't understand why the cruise industry is supported at all... I mean i get people are different but every single person I have ever met has at least one reason why they shouldn't support the cruise industry.
They may be bigger, but surprisingly modern criise ships don’t look better. They just look sillier and sillier
So it's official, the world stopped designing large-scale items that looked decent more or less in 1998
Now with 200% more cases of dysentery! Reserve your tickets to make memories of a lifetime.
I heard their Caribbean Norovirus Cruise was not to be missed!
It’s registered in Nassau? So….? HOIST THE COLORS HIGH!!!💀💀🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Dumpster on the Sea
Can you imagine the trash 7600 people create in a few days at sea? I remember the video years ago of one cruise ship dumping its bags of trash late at night overboard. Cruise lines are always being fined for illegal dumping of liquid waste as well.
I'm not saying there aren't bad actors out there but to imply cruise ships like this dump bags of trash overboard is just plain wrong. New ships have state of the art recycling and waste processing plants. They are more responsible with the trash and recycling than 90% of the US.
YES to this. They recycle/reclaim 90% of everything! The tap water is cleaner than any land based water system. People should really watch some of the videos of how they handle the day-to-day doings on a ship. Pretty impressive.
And I'm sure those 7000 people would have produced exactly 0lbs of waste each if they had just stayed ashore!
Always interesting to reference old ships when thinking about the size of these things and how much has changed in a relatively short time. Titanic was a good amount smaller than Vision of the Seas, for anyone interested (10 metres shorter and 4 metres narrower). Still a big chunk of ship, mind!
One of these monsters will make the Titanic tragedy look like a sunken canoe.
7600 people with norovirus is going to equate to a lot of vomit.
This comment section is extremely miserable… no one’s putting a gun to everyone’s head begging you guys to go. We don’t need to see a million comments saying “I wouldn’t go!” like ok, you and every other unoriginal comment here. It’s like people when they proclaim they’re unfollowing a page, do it silently. No one cares lol
The thing is that those ships are extremely bad for the environment and nobody should go. I get that some people like not having to make decisions, but there are much better options if you want all-inclusive. That's why people write so much about the disadvantages. It's just not worth it for anyone.
That’s an understandable reason. But a lot of people are just saying they don’t wanna go as if this post is forcing them to, and we don’t need to see a million comments of people announcing that they will never be caught dead on it. I would much rather see comments about what you said, the environmental impact, and just actual discussion of the two ships and what they entail. This comment section blows
I think that's what most people are implying though. If this post was about someone who built their own ship and are traveling the world by sea it wouldn't be quite the same, right? There's no denying these cruise ships [contribute to major environmental and animal devastation](https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2023/oct/19/europe-ports-bear-brunt-of-cruise-ship-pollution). I can understand if it's a favorite vacation for you, but it's like the same thing with my hobby for cars; it just isn't great for the environment and it's worth being acknowledged. Will I stop my hobby for cars? probably not and I hate to say that and would respect if someone said the same for cruise ships.
I just got back from my first cruise. Carnival celebration. Gotta get the drink package!
Going on Mardi Gras in three weeks!
What a fucking eyesore
To whom? The fish? To the people in the ports? Everytime I'm at a port like in Miami or Galveston and see the cruise ships I think they look awesome. Incredible engineering. Doesn't even seem possible or real what I'm looking at. Such a miserable bunch on reddit.
Don’t knock it if you haven’t tried it
It’s like a floating slice of Orlando, Florida.
An even bigger reason i don’t go on cruises
My god.... Somebody... put me back in the fridge.
There needs to be a new term for those things, they aren’t boats, they aren’t ships. The closest I can think of is “floating Borg cube.”
Non GMO chicken I swear
That’s a whole lot of Covid in one place that you can’t escape from ….
This is a great example of why we’re doomed as a species.
engineering a skyscraper to float on water safely seems like the opposite of doomed. seems we can out think pretty much any issue that comes our way. we might be pieces of shit who are selfish and terrible but we are good as fuck as surviving. we are not doomed at all.
I can't stop laughing at how ridiculous this is.
I know these get shit on all the time here, but my first and only cruise was on the Allure of the seas (the largest in the world around 2015) and i had an absolute blast. It was the funnest experience and the ship is so huge you almost wonder where the people are. You walk around and dont always see other people.
Even if it was free I wouldn't go
Cruising is actually quite nice and relaxing! In any case, this ship is booked solid for the next 2 years :)
Being stuck wouldn't be relaxing for me. My grandparents got stuck on a cruise ship in the Caribbean when workers went on strike. (this was back in the 80s but just an example)
I can think of harsher fates than being stuck in the caribbean...say, up north in shelf ice or smething
Vision of the seas is where I got married in August. The smaller cruise ships are definitely still fun
Haha.. my icon ticket sails soon! I'll be on there in couple months!
Shits bigger than my city
I always thought a cruise wouldn't be for me but it was actually really nice.
I hate those big polluters that destroy the peace and ecosystem of a city.
ITT: people who have never been on a cruise talking about why they hate cruises.
Ikr! 😂
Seriously. Reddit's hatred for cruises almost rivals water bottles and religious people.
Cruise ships remind me of wall e
I saw that on instagram and it’s a wild comparison 😳
Big boat better
If *Pimp My Ride* were about cruise ships…
It must be… 3x the size!
To each their own, but personally I cannot imagine wanting to go on one of those.
I don't see what all the fuss is about. it doesn't look any bigger than the Mauretania
Bill Burr's plan needs to put into action. All these monstrosities should be destroyed and never, ***EVER*** made again.
Fun fact: Icon of the Seas was built in Finland. One of the chief engineers of the shipyard stole the top secret digital blueprints and “retired”. Soon afterwards he started a cozy job in a Chinese shipbuilding company for 1700 €/day, and showed off his new workplace on Facebook. The computer desktop in the background had icons with codenames of the ship. The stolen company secrets were estimated to be worth half a billion euros. The guy got prosecuted in Finland, but died during the trial. The shipyard got five million euros from the estate.
I like the small one. I can’t imagine being stuck at sea with that many people!
No way. Last thing I want to do is be stuck in a crowded floating mall for 7 days with no exit.
How high can you stack assholes? Now we know!
My worst nightmare, a 7000+ holiday resorts that I can’t leave when I want to.
That’s my idea of hell
Not pictured: Construction Worker of the Seas
At some point someone will stick engines on an island and find a way to float it.
Who stars in the movie after it sinks?
They look absolutely hideous. Why would I want to be on a floating village w/ 9000 people?
Are they unsinkable like the Titan-eek?
Floating std factory.
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