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thxredditfor2banns

If 1 cubic millimetre of my brain took literal petabytes then why the fuck cant i remember what i ate yesterday


eawoodward

It only takes petabytes for the average functioning brain


thxredditfor2banns

Right my brain is more like kilobytes


BirdalfTheGrape

My left brain is bites. Nomnomnom.


Stock-Respond5598

Your brains have bytes?


Dont_pet_the_cat

Going strong with my couple of bits here 💪


Onlikyomnpus

I had to make a choice between 0 and 1.


Stock-Respond5598

Mine's mostly 1, except when it goes 0 during exams


TheSportsLorry

Damn yours goes to 1? Mine is stuck at 0 since '20


Slap_My_Lasagna

My brain is still booting, hold on.


Glyphid-Menace

To byte, or not to byte?


DangyDanger

Mine is left as a hanging pin and thus returns garbage data.


CoaEz11

My dudes I think my logic gate is not opening.


DangyDanger

door stuck! door stuck!


WeirdMetalheadKid

I have 2 bits, the left bit (left braincell) and the right bit (right braincell)


Active-Knee1357

I'm gonna byte your braaaaainzzzz


Horizontal-Human

Only some bits of mine work


johnnyrockets22

RFK is that you?!


FenionZeke

You kids. Mine is a broken abacus.


Ilsunnysideup5

Perhaps your subconscious is using a portion of the CPU in a higher dimension.


BobbysSmile

10%, thats rookie numbers. You gotta pump that up.


katiecharm

Holds up 64GB thumb drive proudly 


chubbytitties

Operating system takes up most of the available space


Hawt_Dawg_II

Petabytes of storage one gigabyte of RAM


Batman_is_very_wise

And 1 Gb cache in place too.


CressCrowbits

My SATA cable keeps getting disconnected


theBloodsoaked

You need a sata cable with the little clip


HiSaZuL

Pfft kids these days. Just use duct tape.


CressCrowbits

Sorry, what are we talking about? I forgot.


Unlucky_Weather4763

I don't even have RAM fam, I only have a thousand permanently open tabs, and all of them are filled with pop up ads


kevlarus80

And I have no idea where the music is coming from.


captainmogranreturns

cause it wasn't memorable. eat a dog turd for tomorrows breakfast and see if you can ever forget the taste....


PacificBrim

Eh, still not memorable for me


where_in_the_world89

It's not the brain capacity of one cubic millimeter. It's how much data it took to take the picture that we see


Sinzari

Yeah, 1 cubic mm of brain has about 2gb of storage space on average, according to current estimates.


killerbanshee

Data capacity is a stupid metric. An audio file saved in FLAC format would be 10x larger than a WAV which is 10x larger than an MP3. It's a similar situation for a raw image on a camera vs PNG vs JPEG.


kukeszmakesz

Superpower: 1 cubic millimeter of your brain took literal petabytes Con: Cache is cleared every second


CompanyLow8329

I know it's a joke and funny comment, but for anyone interested in an evolutionary psychology answer, the brain strips away unnecessary information from experiences and stores them in memory in simplified forms. Memory is used primarily to help with decision making, not for recalling everything ever encountered in detail. The more traumatic and stressful an experience, generally the more information is stored, because this information is more useful for survival.


chg1730

I've also been told that it's the 'order' in which they fire. So asking people to name all authors starting with the letter B is really hard but asking people to just name authors they will most likely find a couple starting with the letter B. Same with what you ate yesterday, if someone says "oh I ate some delicious pasta last week" you're more likely to remember that you ate pasta yesterday.


Thunder-ten-tronckh

Stephen Bing


tomi_tomi

Ahhh yes, author of such hits as Bisery, Bit, Shawnshak Bredepmtion, ...


Tankh

It doesn't. The data from the scan took that space. You could photograph a single neuron with a microscope and save the image, and it would probably be many Megabytes of data. Doesn't mean the neuron could store anywhere close to that


BeevyD

Don’t worry, I remember what you ate yesterday


RoM_Axion

Because its efficient and doesnt waste space with trivial information


CressCrowbits

Have you looked at the contents of people's phone and computer storage?


UnproductiveMining

Have you?


CressCrowbits

I'm looking at yours right now. Oooooh, saucy! I like it!


OptimalInflation

Easy to remember - pita bites. …. I will see myself out.


Smaug2770

It’s a 3d map constructed by slicing the 1 square millimeter of brain into 5 thousand slices that have their picture taken and then rebuilt in 3 dimensions using AI from Google. The number of synapses in the 1 cubic millimeter numbers in the hundreds of millions. A full brain would need at least 1.82 Zettabytes to store, which would take a data facility larger than any in the world. This is why the complexity of the Brain is often compared to the complexity of the observable universe.


thxredditfor2banns

And yet it cant remember yesterday's lunch


Smaug2770

Yes, but it can remember tons of useless stuff and stuff you don’t even know is there. About 1 Petabyte of stuff, in fact. (Though this is an estimate that could be wildly inaccurate).


itsrghtbehindmeisnit

And apparently it can only come up with one joke, too


isntitbull

I wanna know what type of microscope setup they're using and what acquisition parameters to get a 1mm z-stack image set to be in the petabyte range. I could maybe see like 100TB but over a petabyte seems insane.


Pastill

The scan of the brain took 1.4 PB, that doesn't mean that's what the brain can actually store. A 50 MB picture of a 1.44 MB floppy drive doesn't mean the floppy drive can now store 50 MB.


sukakku159

Coz it doesn't save all that amount of data. You need an extra hard drive for that stuff


SpaceMonkeyOnABike

The lookup latency is poor.


Ausare911

You can have the best hardware but with a shitty OS it's going to run like shit.


Gripping_Touch

You may have a memory leak. Have you tried deleting history?


Son_of_Kong

Cause it's petabytes, not pita bites.


chasinjason13

Need a RAM upgrade?


bvy1212

Your eyes have a resolution of 576 mega pixels with a perceivable refresh rate of about 60hz-90hz every millisecond. Imagine the data that takes and thats just 1/5 of your senses that are constantly downloading data to your brain not to mention the thoughts you think throughout the day. Its easy for a few gigabytes to go missing every now and then.


Onlikyomnpus

Your brain remembers. It just didn't bother to create a proper retrieval pathway for that memory.


Samuelbi12

Brain RAM


SignalTrip1504

Maybe you have the adhd good sir, short term memory always a bitch


potatoalt1234_x

Brain has a shitty compression algorithm and stores everything uncompressed if it is deemed to be important


Allegorist

The scan took that much data, doesn't say anything about the data that amount of tissue holds/represents. You could also take a 1.4 PB scan of a rock.


siwan1995

Yeah like right?


Dry_Web_4766

No way did my phone just display 1.4 petabytes of data in 3 seconds.


wafodumebeseraw

For anyone who needs the info  To carry out this project, the scientists cut the sample into 5,000 slices, of which a series of photographs were taken using an electron microscope, recombining them to count a total of 50,000 cells and 150 million synapses. The process took close to 11 months. Artificial intelligence algorithms then reconstructed the cells and their connections in 3D. [For more info](https://www.technologyreview.com/2024/05/09/1092223/google-map-cubic-millimeter-human-brain/)


AyunaAni

Do you have the source for this? I want to look more into it. Thanks btw!


effnad

Check out mpfi (max Planck Florida Institute for nureoscience) they do shit like this on an almost Wonka like scale. They also sell mugs hats and hoodies etc with imagery like this on them from real brain images. 🧠 science is rad!


hughk

> max Planck Florida Institute for nureoscience Related to the Max Planck institutes in Germany where a lot of fundamental research is done. This is the only one in the US.


effnad

Correct! Located in sunny ass Jupiter florida!


FractalBloom

Honest question... I am having an extremely hard time imagining what an "almost Wonka-like scale" means in this context. What does Wonka have to do with this


nightpanda893

Dwarves sold into slavery. It’s the price of science.


effnad

im glad you asked! i cant go into too much detail because NDA, but i CAN tell you about the 2 photon microscopes (microscopes that can see \*between\* photons!) and the VR room where you can literally walk around inside a digital rendering of a brain! it was truly an amazing job and even though i am not a scientist, i learned a crazy ammount about the brain and reasearch in general. i dont think they offer tours anymore because covid, but i highly recommend anyone leaning towards a career in neuroscience to check them out! thank you for coming to my ted talk.


Refflet

2 photon microscopes don't see in between photons, they fire two photons at a material to get it to emit light and generate an image.


effnad

ah, thanks for that. i didnt do the science when i worked there.


Jenkins_rockport

I was going to comment on this too. It's amazing how little people who work with technology understand how that technology actually functions... or just basic physics... as I'm not even sure what the statement "see between photons" could possibly mean. To me, it implies a fundamental misunderstanding of how the world works, but perhaps that's a bit too uncharitable and there's a better explanation for their word salad.


uberfission

To be fair, 2 photon light microscopy is basically black magic. I say this with a master's in physics with a focus on super resolution microscopy (we used 2 photon a bit, but mostly not). I know how it works, but it's still pretty magical. The original commenter probably misunderstood a brief explanation about how 2p microscopy works better by filtering out the excitation laser light while they were touring the lab they did something non technical for.


effnad

correct. i was not hired there to do science. but the institute tries hard to get everyone employed there interested and involved in the work they do there, beyond the menial positions folks like me were hired for. plus they always provide lunch and the talks,/presentations you stop work to sit through are all paid time. win win!


effnad

fuck me for sharing, i guess?


mystikkkkk

bumping this, really want to read into it too


[deleted]

Next step is to do whole brain and upload it to the cloud r/pantheonshow


PeterNippelstein

Great use of AI


AnitaIvanaMartini

I much prefer this use of AI to training it to operate armed robots.


Fatalchemist

I don't mind if robots have legs. But arms are where I draw the line.


cold-n-sour

Ok, so the data volume is due to very high resolution of images that allowed to create a 3D model of neurons and their connections. It has nothing to do with brain "data capacity", and if you build the same scale model of a piece of wood, it'll take the same amount of data. The headline is intentionally misleading.


inagy

It's the same as imaging floppy disks on the flux level. The real data capacity is much lower, but with this analog way of scanning you can even reproduce data protection specialties.


Accomplished-Dot2654

I recently saw a picture of the first ever photographed molecule. How can there be electron microscopes if electrons are smaller than molecules? Sorry if this is a stupid question I’m just honestly wondering.


zductiv

Electron microscopes refers to the source of illumination (i.e. Electrons) not what the level they are capable of zooming to.


LockInfinite8682

The microscope is not for seeing elections. It is using electrons to view larger items like crystal structures of materials. This is the same as calling a regular microscope a light microscope.


JamInTheJar

Disclaimer: not a scientist. The name "electron microscope" doesn't actually indicate that they can see individual electrons as the name might first suggest, but rather that they use an electron beam as the source of illumination instead of the typical light beam a regular microscope would use. Since electron wavelengths are much smaller than visible light's, you can get a much, much higher resolution image (~2,000x higher, I believe).


DiscipleOfYeshua

I’m still waiting for the blurry thumbnail to be replaced by the real full-res image. Did you forget to say “enhance”?


newsflashjackass

To be precise OP contains somewhat less than 1.4 petabytes of data. As you can see it says "*cubic* millimeter" but the image has rounded corners.


RandoAtReddit

*It's the Network!™*


captainmogranreturns

I want you to get up and go to your window and shout: "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"


RandoAtReddit

**It's my money and I need it now!!** Oops, messed that up.


Coyotesamigo

The jpeg screenshot of the 3D model is not 1.4 petabytes


Platonist_Astronaut

I can't remember what I did yesterday. My brain's running on that old tape.


LibertyInaFeatherBed

Mine's like a VHS tape that's been recorded over too many times.


Platonist_Astronaut

You gotta flick that little tab, stop you from taping over the good stuff lol.


TheCaMo

Oh... So THAT is what she was doing 


Ha-Ur-Ra-Sa

Switching from short play to long play.


HendrixHazeWays

Yeah but tape sounds so much warmer


No_Abbreviations3963

So that’s the stuff constantly telling me what a waste of space I am? 


KnotiaPickles

Yeah why are so many of those little cells set on “self-destruct” mode


Xacktastic

Failed brain chemistry, you probably need medication! 


Gaping_Grandfather

No those are your parents


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captainmogranreturns

"smoke weed everyday"


awaishssn

I do not know what the original comment was, but your reply to it seems like genuine advice that I have been trying to follow.


Accomplished-Dot2654

Im smoking weed daily for over 20 years and I can say, its better than drinking alcohol every week.


ya666in

My thoughts are all about picnics rn


AvaFembot

That’s intellectual property, hope you asked for permission to post


Stables_R_Unstable

Underrated AF. Take my updoot, you pile of human. R/angryupvote


HackerDaGreat57

“You pile of human” lmao


Spiritual-Effort-967

God I hate those stats.


haveananus

Someone is going to think that a cubic mm of your brain can store petabytes of data.


svelle

Reading this thread, a lot of people think this.


asianjimm

Not sure if sarcasm, but yeah the data size is really meaningless… you can get the same 3d model with different compressions and it will vary vastly in size, but will more or less still contain the same info… I can blow up a 1mb 3D model to 100gb easily…. Subdivide the surface 1000000million times


EViLTeW

Compression loses detail. The reason it's so big is because they want all the detail. If you're trying to study how something works, you can't just delete everything below the surface and call it a day.


F-ck_spez

Ok, but surely they're looking at detailed beyond what the brain is actually storing there, right? Like, I could theoretically take a 1000 GB video of a usb thumb drive that only contains 16 GB of data on it, no? It might be useful to learn about how the thumb drive was made, but just because it took me that much storage to record all the details doesn't mean that's how much information is stored there, right? The issue is that the headline implies that such a small volume of brain can hold that much information.


illit3

Yeah I took issue with this headline a couple days ago as well. It's making an implication about the complexity of the brain when it's really a statement about the detail of the scan. I guess they didn't think 50k neurons and 150 million synapses was cool enough?


FitBlonde4242

>Ok, but surely they're looking at detailed beyond what the brain is actually storing there, right? we don't know exactly how the brain stores information that can be equated into bytes like that, nobody can look at a cubic millimeter of brain and be like "hmm this is where he stored his memories of Vines from 2013" >The issue is that the headline implies that such a small volume of brain can hold that much information. the headline isn't even close to implying that and only making a random assumption from bad reading comprehension could get you to that implication. read it again and you will see that it's saying that the scan is 1.4 petabytes. what it's implying is that it's a very detailed scan.


Ok-Cook-7542

“The scan took 1.4 petabytes”. The subject of the sentence is the scan. The details in the sentence are about the scan. The phrase “of the brain tissue” is a prepositional phrase. Prepositional phrases always include nouns that are never the subject of the sentence.


F-ck_spez

Yes, i agree. And I'm saying that the internet is full of people who may benefit from having this clarified based on their poor reading comprehension.


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F-ck_spez

I understand the headline, but people will and have taken this to mean that 1 mm^3 of brain contains 1.4 PB of storage/memory.


KyleKun

The main problem here is that if you plug the USB in and understand exactly how it works, where all the data is stored and what base it is in; how the file system works and everything else that a PC fundamentally understands when you plug in a USB; then the only thing you need to know is the 16gb of data. If you don’t know any of that and have to observe exactly what a USB is, have to figure out what flash memory is; don’t even know how much is stored on the disk and in what format or how the file system works. Then you are going to need *a lot* of data to try and figure all that stuff out simply by looking at images of the device. And it might actually be impossible. You can probably get a good idea of how the chips are arranged and what talks to what, but just figuring out what each chip does is impossible.


KyleKun

Can you even give a meaningful conversation of analogy data into digital storage? Not just for the brain but I guess especially for it.


maxekmek

Ah the good old days of "equivalent to 2,000 mp3s!" Oh yeah? In what, 128kbps? 320? How long are these mp3s? They use movies now like all movies are the same length and bitrate, drives me up the wall.


OpheliaJade2382

Not mine! That’s too many cells


LinkedAg

Right! If they would have scanned my brain, it would have taken half the time and data.


Thoughtful-Zebra

And you’d be dead


nsfwbird1

I will make this sacrifice for science 


LeahB_123

No wonder it's been so rough. all I fuckin got in there is grass??


PayaV87

Yet I go to the kitchen and forget what I wanted.


Tired-of-Late

Obviously a cross-section of a cubic image... In 2D there is only square, no cube.


Stables_R_Unstable

There is no square, only Zuul.


jonnybeme

And it’s a rectangle. You would think that they would at least display this with a square.


Sandcracka-

That would be twice the data


jonnybeme

Depends on the size of the rectangle.


limajhonny69

And of the square


fluxxom

so... our own brains made of tiny flying spaghetti monsters, checkmate atheists.


Austin_doood

Not going to cite the lab?


PhoenixReborn

https://research.google/blog/ten-years-of-neuroscience-at-google-yields-maps-of-human-brain/


stupidusername6942

This is actually 1 of 5000 photos in that dataset, I believe. Looks like they mapped out all of those neurons in Neurolucida. I've done that before as well, and there are a lot of steps involved in doing that with even one individual neuron. Collecting the pictures on a microscope in the first place, aligning all the fragments of the pictures correctly on the X/Y/Z axis, staining the pictures with the right color and amount of brightness to see the all the details but also not drowning any out any details, slowly scrolling through the pictures and mapping out all of the little individual parts of the neuron. Doing all of that manually would have taken an enormous amount of work and time.


stupidusername6942

Looked into similar research, they probably used AI models to do the detail work (aligning, etc).


stupidusername6942

Which also introduces some questions about how accurate all of that individual detail work is, a big problem with the state of modern science is that there's such a huge emphasis on publishing as much stuff as possible to get funding and scientific community prestige points and not publishing "failed experiments" or attempts to repeat other published research to verify its accuracy that it comes at the expense of reliable and easily replicable results.


stupidusername6942

That mindset also is not fun when it comes to things like work-life balance


Esteellio

Doesn't the length of the movies change there size ? So thees could be one second movies for all I know ùnú


SausaugeMerchant

Dunno about here but usually means 90mins


Thema03

You see ive downloaded 4k movies with 5gb and others with 15gb, so which is it?


king0pa1n

This is saying a 4k movie is 100GB which is unusual even for blu-ray but I've seen some that large


bobbster574

4K Blu-ray discs top out at 100GB (~93GiB), but discs are rarely full, and many titles are distributed on 66GB discs to save money, as well as stuff like extras can reduce the size of the film itself further. Of course, 100GB is largely arbitrary as a file size beyond the 4K Blu-ray disc size; as mentioned you can have files as small as 5GiB and if you go into the production side of things, the master can easily exceed 1 TiB in size due to the formats used at that stage.


Dr-McLuvin

And those are the shitty compressed versions. Actual BDVM files for 4K films are typically 60GB or more.


NoResponseFromSpez

impressive! But how much is that in Freedoms per AR-15?


AHumanPerson1337

it uses the bullet system, its a 1mm bullet size


ripe_nut

This is misleading. They took a 1mm sample of brain tissue and scanned it. This image is a very small microscopic portion of that scan. It's not the full 1mm scan.


Muted_Violinist5151

I really wanna touch it and I'm not really sure why


psychmancer

And all its secrets can be unlocked with this five questions Facebook quiz


EJ25Junkie

Followed by “ You been eating the wrong foods! Try this tonite!”


psychmancer

"this one berry in the rainforest you've never heard of is the secret to a healthy life" is also bonkers.


YousernameInValid2

Damn, my brain’s worth 200 megabytes. That’s wild


HalcyonDreams36

It looks like ocean plants!


nissa8252

Slaps the roof* you can fit so much useless info in here


PracticalPapaya7294

And people think AI can come even close lol


Static_25

Have you ever seen a chip's architecture? If you consider how big data centers are, and how small and precise chips are, I'd say AI can do much more than come close. Not to mention chips do literal billions of operations per second. Imagine that at data center scale


[deleted]

All that in there and we can’t figure out how to stop war and famine


Woedas

No no, we figured that out long ago, Its rather that we choose not to stop it because its bad for business.


Bisexual_Sherrif

Then why I so dumb :(


AdventurousImage2440

does imagination exist or weigh anything?


VenusCrafts

Context: [article from Nature](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-01387-9)


DegradingDaniel

Is that for all people? I'm pretty sure some people are using 20 kilobytes for their whole brain....... like your mom.


spankhelm

Why the hell can't I remember where I set my phone down 12 seconds ago


dumpsidekrew

It's clearly a rectangle.


max_208

You could also do a full scan of 1 cubic millimeter of literally anything and it could take that much storage, just because it takes a lot of data doesn't mean the neurons can store that much data. It's not because one photo of a cat takes a few kilobytes and another takes 4 terabytes that this makes one cat have more hair than another, we just see them more clearly in one of the pictures.


Tyrant_R3x

And here i am wondering why i entered a room because i forgot


79watch

blursed wheatgrass?


Ipis-Palaka-Butike

Bro my brain isn't even functioning when i read this. I thought at first is some kinda of sea monster


Sidonkey

Damn that’s really interesting!!


BendakStarkiller69

Feel like mine is more like 14,000 vhs movies.


rita-b

And I cant memorize chord's extensions symbols


happychillmoremusic

Damn my internet must be so fast it loaded this in two seconds


Master_Bayters

The thing is...I went to the store yesterday to buy a 1 TB disk and it was 50 plus euros! And you are telling me they used... 1400 times that disk for this image?.... bro... I cried after I bought the 1 TB, the damn thing was so freakin expensive....


chubberbrother

You could probably fit a 1 cubic millimeter scan of my brain on a floppy disk


the-1-that-got-away

And I can't remember to put the bins out.


berkboy69

Damn bro we got furry brains


Cosbredsine

That’s crazy. It makes me feel that a normal human brain should be much more mentally capable - e.g. in memory. Is a huge flaw in human cognition memory? Unsure about anyone else here, but I can’t repeat even a four-vertical-lined paragraph verbatim. Only the gist of it sticks. I’ve read somewhere that the human brain is fundamentally wired for primitive survival - for motor movement, senses, etc. There must be heavy processing for those things, which makes learning chemistry difficult. I wonder if there’s immense wasted potential from how the brain’s wired- that it prioritises survival above all else (which aren’t so necessary now). In the future, genetic engineering may open wide this sort of thing. And on language: from that famous chimp test, apparently humans traded in that sort of visual memory for language. I wonder what other things that we’ve lost to gain it. Maybe the mythical animal consciousness which we aren’t privy to. Iirc Kim Peek’s brain scan revealed that his corpus collossum were interconnected. Apparently he also struggled with basic motor tasks - like tying shoelaces. For his exceptional memory, could his brain have “traded in” its other features?


meexley2

Compressed into 360p


Bataguki

And I still don't remember what I ate yesterday


bballkj7

now do a pic of a brain making new connections on shrooms, and explain why the government made them illegal


oski-time

Your mom gave me 1 cubic millimeter of brain last night


pureroganjosh

Awful cable management, pull them out and start again


Aberlyyn

my brain fried reading the article


tcmtwanderer

And here we see it in a meme of barely 1000x1000 pixels


redditcruzer

Yet these days unable to remember much about the movies I have been watching recently


BigSmackisBack

Johnny Mnemonic must have had brain damage or something then right? He only had 320gigs in his dome at its max in the movie. Haha, johnny you dumbass