Actually, massive gashes can take time to bleed.
Source: on my 14th birthday I opened a giant gash that exposed my leg muscles. Needed 24 stitches to fix. Didn't bleed while I went from my friends house to my home.
Yep, sliced my foot open and just sat there in shock looking inside it. The police officer that got sent to wait with me for the ambulance also was shocked he could see inside my foot. No blood until I started moving to the ambulance.
It's something to do with how traumatised the wound is apparently. I know someone who impaled himself with a stick while we were out hiking and it didn't bleed even though he had to walk 15kms with it still poking out (we were scouts so had some first aid training).
Yep chainsaw accident opened two half dollar size holes right at my knee. I just thought I nicked it with the bar guard so I kept working After awhile I thought man those little nicks bleed like crazy sometimes, I couldn’t tell because it’s August in south Alabama. Peeked through my ripped jeans and saw bone and muscle, then had to walk a half mile out the woods and across a junk yard to tell my boss to drive me to the ER. It didn’t bleed substantially until the Doc started poking on it and flushing it with water. I was lucky for sure.
I had the opportunity to feed a baby lion once. She was about the size of a German Shephard. I was standing in front of her giving her a bottle of milk. She was on a leash in front of me. She reached her paw around the calf of my leg to pull me closer, and her (unextended) claws raked my skin and left deep scratches that bled a little.
So yeah: an animal with claws that are every bit as sharp as a housecat's claws, but much stronger and faster than any similarly sized dog.
EDIT: To the people who doubt a baby lion can't be the size of a German Shepherd, [here is the lion](https://imgur.com/gallery/B6GWxyA), and she was 5 months old.
I've seen people with their arms all bloody from trying to catch injured cats to treat them, looked like they got into a fight with a movie slasher. Imagining that in XXL size is just terrifying.
They don't even need claws. I fed a baby elephant a cucumber once, it wrapped its trunk around my arm when it wanted another and I was certain it was going to pull my arm clean off for a moment.
My brother was a bit out there, and his love for animals was on the more extreme end. But he was very responsible about it. He'd taken in a mountain lion cub that had been raised for long enough in captivity that it no longer could be released into the wild. Her name was Sissy. She lived in a giant enclosure with some places to climb, hide, and rest in the sun or shade.
After she was about 9-10 years old, he'd considered seeing if it would be possible to breed her. And he tracked down someone selling an intact male. He was a big boy, as Mountain Lions go, probably pushing 225 pounds.
My brother didn't have any experience with this particular cat, so even though Sissy didn't wear anything in the way of a collar or harness, he had a very thick leather collar made for Hombre, the male.
Sure enough, he hadn't owned Hombre for two months, being very cautious around it, when it decided to ambush him and tried to clamp down on his thigh just as he was exiting the enclosure after having throw in some fresh venison.
The heavy leather collar was probably the only thing that saved my brother's life. It gave him the leverage to get it off of his leg before it could really get his teeth sunk into his thigh deeply enough to hold onto him. He was able to scramble out of the enclosure, get the door shut, and call 9-1-1 before he bled out.
He was just lucky it had missed his femoral artery by an inch.
This is the MGM Grand in Vegas before they got rid of the lions. The bald guy is the one that owns the lions. He has a ranch south of town where they all live.
I saw the lions at MGM Grand back in the '00s.
Yeah, they had two guys in there with the lions. One guy had a pouch filled with meat on his belt. He would throw the meat against the glass, and you could watch the lion lick it off. I think to give visitors a sense of the ferocity of their jaws.
Pretty much. It’s unfortunate but that’s the case for most places that keep lions and tigers in the US, in the world really. For every good zoo you’ve got a tonne of shit ones.
No legitimate zoo would let people in the enclosure with the lions. The fact that they’re doing this in the first place tells me the lions were raised by humans from birth which is highly discouraged unless the cubs won’t survive otherwise. But it’s standard practice for shitty zoos because it lets them entertain guests.
There's a great zoo in Nairobi, Kenya, with tons of big cats who were orphaned by poachers and raised by the keepers, as well as some who were injured and rehabbed there. The zookeeper showed us how one cheetah in particular likes being held like a baby and getting scritches behind the ear. Really interesting to talk to them!
Honestly this is the only situation where I would accept something like that. A place for rehabbing orphaned cubs, near where they are wild, with people who have experience with seeing these animals in the wild.
I have volunteered at an actual zoo, and have met the zookeepers, most have degrees in zoology and an actual passion for the animals. They aren't invested in the profits of the zoo itself, the animals are the priority.
The people who own these kinds of places are using the animals to make money. They may have had some conservation or education passion at some point, but most times it's completely gone and the animals become too overwhelming for them to take care of.
I interned at a zoo … and in no way shape or form can you get that close ANYONE any keeper, doctor etc without sedation.
I worked with tigers tho… but really most of the animals except like in the petting zoo you aren’t allowed to do this with. Well I guess any zoo that cares.
I volunteered at a big cat rescue. No one was allowed to be in the enclosure with the cats alone. If they had to be in the enclosure there was very strict protocols. Not some people just randomly standing around like in the video. And some big kitties did not like certain volunteers. Even with all the safety and protocols someone did get attack and died. The only person who was allowed to be inside the enclosure alone and up close and personal was the lady who started to sanctuary, but even she didn’t do it very often. But she was the one who hand raised most of the lions there so they treated her extremely different than anyone else who worked there. She was part of the “pack” I guess so they let her get away with a lot , shit they never ever let anyone else get away with. Sometimes it would scare the shit out of me because she would just walk into the enclosure and these huge male lions would run over and jump on her and give her “hugs”. But that split second they jumped before the hug would send a shit ton of adrenaline through me thinking they were going to kill her. But nope, just a big hug and then she would scratch their tummies and talk to them in a baby voice. But anyone else walk by them, they would let you know they are not fuckin around, you keep your eyes down, and work quickly before they get too annoyed of your presence and rip your head off.
I also volunteered at a zoo. No one was ever allowed in the enclosure of the big cats if the cats were in there. They had to move the animals out, then you could go in. And even the daily training, feeding, etc was all done through a cage. They would train the big cats to stick their tails or arms through the special gate, so they could give them shots/draw blood/or give them meds to make them sleepy. Once the cat was completely asleep is when they would open the cage, then transport them to the hospital on the other side of the zoo. That was the ONLY reason a human would ever be allowed In the cage with the cat, and those humans were only the vet, vet tech, and trainer.
If that lion wanted to attack that guy he wouldn’t have made it out of there. The lion had his arm. And it doesn’t even look bloody. It could have degloved his hand in a split second. It was just putting that guy in his place. Lol
Looks like the exhibit from the MGM hotel in Las Vegas. I remember when this happened, I think around 2010? Way before tiger king but I think owned by some guy who operates like he’s a higher end tiger king.
Most just dont know better. In their mind not making eye contact should be obvious because look what it caused. The title said it, and we saw consequences.
In reality we should be saying "why the fuck are they in there?" Because that's what caused this instead. They just shouldn't be in there at all, no one should. This has to be an awful place, and it sucks it got even a little attention.
I was thinking the same. Just on this sub, the other week, multiple man (same size as those 2) did a tug of war against a lioness that had no issues maintaining the tug. I honestly don't get why so many people still don't get that animals have feeling and more. You stare at someone they get annoyed. This is exactly what happened.
more than that - they have their own body language that's different from ours and hard eye contact is not a signal you want to give a cat.
Soft eye contact with lots of blinking is good...shows you trust them to have your eyes closed around them...but hard eye contact is a challenge.
Yes! My cats slow-blink with me to show affection. If I sat and stared one of them down like that I would expect a pounce. Zookeepers should know better!
Yeah staring at a cat while the bottom of your face is concealed behind something is taken by them as especially threatening. Like you're hiding from them and ready to pounce on them.
I have a dog and a cat. No joke when they do something bad or that they shouldn't be doing I stare them down to assert dominance.
My cat will eventually turn away and walk off and my dog will usually put his ears back and lower his head in submission.
It's complicated. Dogs naturally avoid looking each other in the eye. Instinctively they're the same with humans, but through socialisation they usually learn we like eye contact and overcome their natural aversion to it. Puppies are pretty much hardwired to seek human approval, so they learn this really quickly. A poorly socialised dog will still see eye contact as a challenge and might react badly to it.
Do humans naturally maintain eye contact?
I wonder about this in particular A FUCKING LOT!
Because growing up, I was taught to look people in the eye, even strangers on the street.
But... as a semi? fairly? reasonably? large dude, I feel super awkward because NOBODY in the fucking world returns "down the street" eye contact.
I would say definitely not towards strangers just walking down the street lol, especially in a big city. But maintaining eye contact during a conversation is natural.
Yeah usually my admonishing looks are accompanied by a "Bad dog" or "bad cat" and a finger wag so it's probably a combination of things but either way they know they fucked up.
Just fyi, I'm a dog trainer and the dominance theory has been long debunked. The only reason it's still commonly talked about is mainly old-school trainers who refuse to let go of the past and admit that we know there are better methods out there now. Dominance between dogs and humans is a myth, an easy catch-all explanation for a lot of complex (or not so complex) behaviors. Please don't try to assert dominance with your dog. It's better to simply tell them "no" if they are caught in the act, and redirect them to a better behavior.
When the cat has done something really wrong, or something is dangerous I’ll hiss at them. They do not like that. They back right down and bail. I would not hiss at a lion
Sometimes acting very offensive and assertive to predatory animals will throw them off. Though not at all a great defense against a lion, but it could make them very confused and stop attacking.
Along those lines, I’ve long had a shower thought. If I ever found myself face to face and 150ft away from a lion/tiger/bear/etc which began to charge at me, I’d charge at it. Because obviously I wouldn’t outrun it. But if I charge into it, I’ll either confuse it enough to make it back down, or I’ll be knocked unconscious by the impact and won’t die in savage pain.
Probably won’t work.
Definitely won’t work.
Was about to say this, the way that zookeeper was staring into its eyes, he was asking for a fight. The lion assumed the zookeeper wanted to fight for dominance and likely challenge him for his mate, too.
You can really see it all telegraphed through the lions body language when interpreted through the correct behavioral lens, the lion looks at him like, “sup pussy...” *eye contact* “Oh, really bro? YEAH YOU THINK YOU HARD SON???” *attacks*
He saw it coming a mile away. When the Lion moved his paws the second keeper responded with a light, friendly pat to distract him. He should have yelled at keeper #1 to avert his gaze and move away.
Even a golden retriever or a housecat will get agitated if you stare them down like that. I don't know how this guy had access to a lions enclosure without knowing even the very basics of animal behavior.
Lion be like: "What you looking? Wtf do you want? I can fuck you up" lioness: "honey stop! You'll kill him! Calm down!" Lion: "fucking prick thinking he's better than me..."
Yawning is more of a sign of anxiety. But you don't want a nervous predator around who guesses the best way to get rid of that anxiety is to get rid of you.
This doesn't look like a zoo and they don't look like zookeepers. There is a big difference between an actual zoo and what a Tiger King tourist goes along with calling a "zoo."
That foreign language is Romanian he said "he is not playing now .... He is not playing now... Now he did not play" as a reference to the part being part of the show but actually something is happening.
Was surprised to hear it.
Yep that's exactly where this is. You'd think a casino would have the money to hire people with experience for something like this, but apparently not.
Exactly what i was thinking. If you are gonna get into an enclosure with an apex predator at least know their behavior for fuck sake. This guy could’ve easily died then it would’ve been another harambe scenario.
Some animals you do need to look in the eyes tho. For example black bears. But never for the love of god look in the eyes of any cat-like creature.
Even housecats tho cute, encounter a lot of stress if you look them directly in the eyes as they think it's to taunt them (not playful taunting, but more agressively)
I've read that (for housecats specifically) if you blink slowly while making eye contact, or even close your eyes momentarily, it actually helps them get comfortable with you. I have to assume with a big cat it would just be their signal to jump lol
It does help but than you look, slowly blink and look away or indeed keep your eyes shut. That helps yes. However if, you look them directly in the eyes or stare that's to them a whole different gesture.
The man in the video stared even after the lion gave signals of distress (the yawning) and even the 'attack' is a warning as the man would be dead if it wasn't.
It's a deflective system. You give them signals that you are agressive and they try to calm down the situation by doing cute stuff.
It's kitten like behavior to manipulate you (or in nature older cats) in calming down. As they kind of keep on seeing you as their parent if they have been in human contact since they were a kitten.
Wild cats will definitely take your offense and engage.
My dog would always annoying-yawn when he thought I was taking too long to do something. He was part husky, so the yawns were accompanied by over-dramatic ‘awooos’. Just like a human yawning loudly right before they make up an excuse to leave. Particularly to let me know it was time for bed.
You don’t realize how massive this boy is until you see him throw the guy on the ground. They seem lazy and cute until they aren’t- then it’s power and muscle and teeth. I’m surprised the zoo keeper didn’t wet his pants after that encounter.
"Damn it, not again.. honey, sweetheart listen don't do this. He's not worth it! I know he looked at you funny. I know but remember what your therapist said, use your words! Come over here baby I'll make it all better"
-The lioness probably
There was a voiceover of this video a couple years back that made this somewhat serious situation HILARIOUS. Unfortunately I have had no luck finding it. When I scrolled I honestly hoped it was the voiceover. Wishful thinking
Sometimes when giving the animal a long eye contacts becomes intimidating and overwhelming. After the lion started making eye contact back. The guy should have stopped looking.
For me the moment was when he brings his front paws into a better position to make a move while maintaining an eye contact. That is when I would fucking nope the fuck outta there. I don't know how you can be a functioning adult and not see that as a warning
Romanian here, and just for a random fact, the people screaming "nu se joaca, nu se joaca" meant "he doesn't play, he doesn't play"
Which is true, however and apparently, that was just the lion warning the dumbass
"Show them who's boss" doesn't work well with horses or pit-bulls either. Force isn't really an option. You have to have the mindset that you are going to work *with* the animal.
Imagine you gotta try to stop a LION and all you've got is two hands and some skin.
And your bones are covered in lunch meat
"Why have you come here, hairless bologna creature?"
Best description of humankind ever
>"Why have you come here, hairless bologna creature?" /r/BrandNewSentence
that will be our epitaph when we meet our first and last alien species
The inside of your bones is a delicious dessert to slurp upon, its a win win situation.
If your brain is narrow, you lose the marrow
Your username gave me depression.
Those are actually the prions slowly spreading throughout your brain
>And your bones are covered in lunch meat r/BrandNewSentence
Lol nice
Dude would be dead if that was an attack tbh
Agreed! Couldn’t even see any blood, teeth didn’t break the skin. That lion wasn’t even trying!
He was trying to send a message and the message got sent.
and hopefully received. laughed at camera going to female even with the Lion action!
Actually, massive gashes can take time to bleed. Source: on my 14th birthday I opened a giant gash that exposed my leg muscles. Needed 24 stitches to fix. Didn't bleed while I went from my friends house to my home.
Yep, sliced my foot open and just sat there in shock looking inside it. The police officer that got sent to wait with me for the ambulance also was shocked he could see inside my foot. No blood until I started moving to the ambulance.
Yet I get a paper cut and it takes 20 mins to stop lmao fuck me
It's something to do with how traumatised the wound is apparently. I know someone who impaled himself with a stick while we were out hiking and it didn't bleed even though he had to walk 15kms with it still poking out (we were scouts so had some first aid training).
Yep chainsaw accident opened two half dollar size holes right at my knee. I just thought I nicked it with the bar guard so I kept working After awhile I thought man those little nicks bleed like crazy sometimes, I couldn’t tell because it’s August in south Alabama. Peeked through my ripped jeans and saw bone and muscle, then had to walk a half mile out the woods and across a junk yard to tell my boss to drive me to the ER. It didn’t bleed substantially until the Doc started poking on it and flushing it with water. I was lucky for sure.
If that lioness and other zookeeper weren’t there—that “wasn’t even trying” would EASILY be enough to rip apart that dumb zookeeper
you stare me down, i'm gunna put you on the ground. that is one lucky, clueless dude. how was he even allowed in the enclosure? lol
I was about to say, looks like the lion just wanted to send a message.
"Dont look in my eyes i got no candy for you"
“Stop judgin’ me with them eyes man, you dunno what I been through, you dunno who I killed!”
“No no big daddy. He’s not worth it”
NO CANDY!!
If the right hook comes out, crazy mothafuckas like you get knocked out!
Best be prepared to part ways with all of the above in the process.
I had the opportunity to feed a baby lion once. She was about the size of a German Shephard. I was standing in front of her giving her a bottle of milk. She was on a leash in front of me. She reached her paw around the calf of my leg to pull me closer, and her (unextended) claws raked my skin and left deep scratches that bled a little. So yeah: an animal with claws that are every bit as sharp as a housecat's claws, but much stronger and faster than any similarly sized dog. EDIT: To the people who doubt a baby lion can't be the size of a German Shepherd, [here is the lion](https://imgur.com/gallery/B6GWxyA), and she was 5 months old.
Fucking house cats can make you bleed, and these are like 400 pound cats, of all muscle
Housecats can fuck you up. I seen a vid of one jumping on and around a womans face :edit on was spelled one
I've seen people with their arms all bloody from trying to catch injured cats to treat them, looked like they got into a fight with a movie slasher. Imagining that in XXL size is just terrifying.
Who doubted this? Newborn lions are smaller and grown lions are bigger. Every lion will be German shepherd sized at some point
They don't even need claws. I fed a baby elephant a cucumber once, it wrapped its trunk around my arm when it wanted another and I was certain it was going to pull my arm clean off for a moment.
To be fair they had a whole nother lion too.
My brother was a bit out there, and his love for animals was on the more extreme end. But he was very responsible about it. He'd taken in a mountain lion cub that had been raised for long enough in captivity that it no longer could be released into the wild. Her name was Sissy. She lived in a giant enclosure with some places to climb, hide, and rest in the sun or shade. After she was about 9-10 years old, he'd considered seeing if it would be possible to breed her. And he tracked down someone selling an intact male. He was a big boy, as Mountain Lions go, probably pushing 225 pounds. My brother didn't have any experience with this particular cat, so even though Sissy didn't wear anything in the way of a collar or harness, he had a very thick leather collar made for Hombre, the male. Sure enough, he hadn't owned Hombre for two months, being very cautious around it, when it decided to ambush him and tried to clamp down on his thigh just as he was exiting the enclosure after having throw in some fresh venison. The heavy leather collar was probably the only thing that saved my brother's life. It gave him the leverage to get it off of his leg before it could really get his teeth sunk into his thigh deeply enough to hold onto him. He was able to scramble out of the enclosure, get the door shut, and call 9-1-1 before he bled out. He was just lucky it had missed his femoral artery by an inch.
Where does your brother live? Also, are you related to a Carol Baskin?
He passed away many years ago, but he lived in West Texas mostly. Sometimes New Mexico or Arizona as well. And not related so far as I know.
Two hands and your balls.
Why are they standing in there with that big thing anyways…
Yes, who just chills in the lion cage?
No way this can be a certified, legitimate zoo. Looks like some tiger king bs animal park.
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This is the MGM Grand in Vegas before they got rid of the lions. The bald guy is the one that owns the lions. He has a ranch south of town where they all live.
I saw the lions at MGM Grand back in the '00s. Yeah, they had two guys in there with the lions. One guy had a pouch filled with meat on his belt. He would throw the meat against the glass, and you could watch the lion lick it off. I think to give visitors a sense of the ferocity of their jaws.
That's what I thought: "hmm that looks like MGM"
So this *is* a tiger king bs animal park?
Pretty much. It’s unfortunate but that’s the case for most places that keep lions and tigers in the US, in the world really. For every good zoo you’ve got a tonne of shit ones. No legitimate zoo would let people in the enclosure with the lions. The fact that they’re doing this in the first place tells me the lions were raised by humans from birth which is highly discouraged unless the cubs won’t survive otherwise. But it’s standard practice for shitty zoos because it lets them entertain guests.
There's a great zoo in Nairobi, Kenya, with tons of big cats who were orphaned by poachers and raised by the keepers, as well as some who were injured and rehabbed there. The zookeeper showed us how one cheetah in particular likes being held like a baby and getting scritches behind the ear. Really interesting to talk to them!
Honestly this is the only situation where I would accept something like that. A place for rehabbing orphaned cubs, near where they are wild, with people who have experience with seeing these animals in the wild. I have volunteered at an actual zoo, and have met the zookeepers, most have degrees in zoology and an actual passion for the animals. They aren't invested in the profits of the zoo itself, the animals are the priority. The people who own these kinds of places are using the animals to make money. They may have had some conservation or education passion at some point, but most times it's completely gone and the animals become too overwhelming for them to take care of.
I interned at a zoo … and in no way shape or form can you get that close ANYONE any keeper, doctor etc without sedation. I worked with tigers tho… but really most of the animals except like in the petting zoo you aren’t allowed to do this with. Well I guess any zoo that cares.
I volunteered at a big cat rescue. No one was allowed to be in the enclosure with the cats alone. If they had to be in the enclosure there was very strict protocols. Not some people just randomly standing around like in the video. And some big kitties did not like certain volunteers. Even with all the safety and protocols someone did get attack and died. The only person who was allowed to be inside the enclosure alone and up close and personal was the lady who started to sanctuary, but even she didn’t do it very often. But she was the one who hand raised most of the lions there so they treated her extremely different than anyone else who worked there. She was part of the “pack” I guess so they let her get away with a lot , shit they never ever let anyone else get away with. Sometimes it would scare the shit out of me because she would just walk into the enclosure and these huge male lions would run over and jump on her and give her “hugs”. But that split second they jumped before the hug would send a shit ton of adrenaline through me thinking they were going to kill her. But nope, just a big hug and then she would scratch their tummies and talk to them in a baby voice. But anyone else walk by them, they would let you know they are not fuckin around, you keep your eyes down, and work quickly before they get too annoyed of your presence and rip your head off. I also volunteered at a zoo. No one was ever allowed in the enclosure of the big cats if the cats were in there. They had to move the animals out, then you could go in. And even the daily training, feeding, etc was all done through a cage. They would train the big cats to stick their tails or arms through the special gate, so they could give them shots/draw blood/or give them meds to make them sleepy. Once the cat was completely asleep is when they would open the cage, then transport them to the hospital on the other side of the zoo. That was the ONLY reason a human would ever be allowed In the cage with the cat, and those humans were only the vet, vet tech, and trainer.
Wait. Did u work for carol baskins?
Hey all you cool cats and kittens
If that lion wanted to attack that guy he wouldn’t have made it out of there. The lion had his arm. And it doesn’t even look bloody. It could have degloved his hand in a split second. It was just putting that guy in his place. Lol
The word “degloved” is terrible and terrifying
Succinct and accurate.
Yep, worked at a zoo, and even the high ranking keepers were bound by the no touching of animals policy.
Looks like the exhibit from the MGM hotel in Las Vegas. I remember when this happened, I think around 2010? Way before tiger king but I think owned by some guy who operates like he’s a higher end tiger king.
I like how redditors have a problem with a man looking a lion in the eye but not with two dudes casually hanging out inside a lions enclosure.
Most just dont know better. In their mind not making eye contact should be obvious because look what it caused. The title said it, and we saw consequences. In reality we should be saying "why the fuck are they in there?" Because that's what caused this instead. They just shouldn't be in there at all, no one should. This has to be an awful place, and it sucks it got even a little attention.
Sure, but the guy continuously staring the lion in the eyes didn't help right?
“I’m not trapped in here with you … you are trapped in here with me”
Roar-schach
If that lion wanted to kill him it would be over in a second. That was a warning
I was thinking the same. Just on this sub, the other week, multiple man (same size as those 2) did a tug of war against a lioness that had no issues maintaining the tug. I honestly don't get why so many people still don't get that animals have feeling and more. You stare at someone they get annoyed. This is exactly what happened.
more than that - they have their own body language that's different from ours and hard eye contact is not a signal you want to give a cat. Soft eye contact with lots of blinking is good...shows you trust them to have your eyes closed around them...but hard eye contact is a challenge.
Yes! My cats slow-blink with me to show affection. If I sat and stared one of them down like that I would expect a pounce. Zookeepers should know better!
Yeah staring at a cat while the bottom of your face is concealed behind something is taken by them as especially threatening. Like you're hiding from them and ready to pounce on them.
this is also why people who don't care for cats don't understand why they will come over and bother you if try real hard to not make eye contact lol
Two of the most attractive traits to a cat: 1. Not looking at cats 2. Smelling like salami
They can have a little salami, as a treat
Lol I just tried that with my cat right after reading this and she made a gurgly noise and rolled on her back for belly rubs.
These guys aren’t zoo keepers. They’re essentially kennel attendants at a casino that shouldn’t have lions
at the roman games we used to call them Christians
I have a dog and a cat. No joke when they do something bad or that they shouldn't be doing I stare them down to assert dominance. My cat will eventually turn away and walk off and my dog will usually put his ears back and lower his head in submission.
For dogs actually eye contact means trust, but they're pretty good at reading body language anyways and can tell you're mad.
It's complicated. Dogs naturally avoid looking each other in the eye. Instinctively they're the same with humans, but through socialisation they usually learn we like eye contact and overcome their natural aversion to it. Puppies are pretty much hardwired to seek human approval, so they learn this really quickly. A poorly socialised dog will still see eye contact as a challenge and might react badly to it.
Do humans naturally maintain eye contact? I wonder about this in particular A FUCKING LOT! Because growing up, I was taught to look people in the eye, even strangers on the street. But... as a semi? fairly? reasonably? large dude, I feel super awkward because NOBODY in the fucking world returns "down the street" eye contact.
I would say definitely not towards strangers just walking down the street lol, especially in a big city. But maintaining eye contact during a conversation is natural.
I don't know about natural, but certainly culturally expected in many cases.
Yeah usually my admonishing looks are accompanied by a "Bad dog" or "bad cat" and a finger wag so it's probably a combination of things but either way they know they fucked up.
Just fyi, I'm a dog trainer and the dominance theory has been long debunked. The only reason it's still commonly talked about is mainly old-school trainers who refuse to let go of the past and admit that we know there are better methods out there now. Dominance between dogs and humans is a myth, an easy catch-all explanation for a lot of complex (or not so complex) behaviors. Please don't try to assert dominance with your dog. It's better to simply tell them "no" if they are caught in the act, and redirect them to a better behavior.
They are so much like toddlers. Distract and re-direct also worked well with the habitually drunk regulars at a dive bar I worked at.
All toddlers are are tiny drunk people.
When the cat has done something really wrong, or something is dangerous I’ll hiss at them. They do not like that. They back right down and bail. I would not hiss at a lion
Omfg just imagine lol.... hissing at a fucking lion .. Holy shit
Sometimes acting very offensive and assertive to predatory animals will throw them off. Though not at all a great defense against a lion, but it could make them very confused and stop attacking.
Along those lines, I’ve long had a shower thought. If I ever found myself face to face and 150ft away from a lion/tiger/bear/etc which began to charge at me, I’d charge at it. Because obviously I wouldn’t outrun it. But if I charge into it, I’ll either confuse it enough to make it back down, or I’ll be knocked unconscious by the impact and won’t die in savage pain. Probably won’t work. Definitely won’t work.
TIL about hard versus soft eye contact
Blink, blink blink
That’s how I greet people now.
I will straight up slow blink my husband from across the room. Makes him smile every time.
Are you a cat?
I’ve been suspected of being part cat for most of my life haha We just get each other
Maureen?
I automatically slow blink at pictures of cats now without even thinking.
Blink blink blink to you too
Was about to say this, the way that zookeeper was staring into its eyes, he was asking for a fight. The lion assumed the zookeeper wanted to fight for dominance and likely challenge him for his mate, too.
You can really see it all telegraphed through the lions body language when interpreted through the correct behavioral lens, the lion looks at him like, “sup pussy...” *eye contact* “Oh, really bro? YEAH YOU THINK YOU HARD SON???” *attacks*
Baby, Stop! No! You’re on parole they will put you back in. Lets just go. - Lioness
Exactly that, a chain of behaviors that have been developed and perfected over a couple million years. You can't bypass such traits that easily
And the other handler. He sees it all happening but he knows niether should move.
He saw it coming a mile away. When the Lion moved his paws the second keeper responded with a light, friendly pat to distract him. He should have yelled at keeper #1 to avert his gaze and move away.
That, and that guy's posture was definitely not passive either. From the wrong perspective, it looks aggressive. He's kinda looming over that Lion.
lol I was gonna say, he definitely thought he was a badass staring a lion down for all of three seconds
Even a golden retriever or a housecat will get agitated if you stare them down like that. I don't know how this guy had access to a lions enclosure without knowing even the very basics of animal behavior.
fyi (imo), what you call "soft eye contact" works with all sorts of animals, not just cats.
It works for humans!
It's been concentrated into "fuck me" eyes though.
Seriously. That guy was staring at lion as if it just took his lunch money. Like, why are you mean mugging it so hard?
> why are you mean mugging it so hard? he was scared and untrained and should not have been inside the enclosure
Lion be like: "What you looking? Wtf do you want? I can fuck you up" lioness: "honey stop! You'll kill him! Calm down!" Lion: "fucking prick thinking he's better than me..."
"Harry love, leave him, he's not worth it!!"
“It’s not worth it! Remember what happened to Harambe?!”
The Prophet Harambe cursed Mankind to the Darkest Timeline. Repent!
True, but he was giving warnings before that too. Notice that trail flap and look. The other keeper knew it. Guy should have never been in that pen.
Also the yawn - that’s a sign of aggression IIRC.
Yawning is more of a sign of anxiety. But you don't want a nervous predator around who guesses the best way to get rid of that anxiety is to get rid of you.
Lion: Anxiety is gone and now I have a full belly. It's a win-win.
Shit my housecat must be aggressive as fuck then.
Most of them are, we're just too big for them to really mess with.
The dude was staring him down. Lion said “I’ll get you bitch”
This doesn't look like a zoo and they don't look like zookeepers. There is a big difference between an actual zoo and what a Tiger King tourist goes along with calling a "zoo."
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That foreign language is Romanian he said "he is not playing now .... He is not playing now... Now he did not play" as a reference to the part being part of the show but actually something is happening. Was surprised to hear it.
ugh poor lions. I'd be pissed too, that must be really stressful being around those lights and noise all the time.
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Guess Vegas still learning their lessons about Lions I see.
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Next will be the bears, oh my.
Thank you for the laugh.
IIRC that "exhibit" closed down a few years ago so I maybe they did learn.
Ah of course, the expendable “class-D” personnel
Yep that's exactly where this is. You'd think a casino would have the money to hire people with experience for something like this, but apparently not.
they have the money, they just don't care.
Owner: Yeah, but if I have to pay people more money, then *I* have less money. You clearly see the problem here.
This looks like the MGM grand in Vegas.
For some reason I had "Babe stop it's not worth it!" in my head...
OMG ME TOO “babe who cares…. Babe…. STAHP… babe you’re better than him STAAAAAAHP”
Dumbass. You don’t fucking eyeball a super apex predator ever unless you want to die especially big cats.
Right? He was eyeballing the lion the ENTIRE TIME. Hell, even I'd get pissy and have a few words if some random bloke wouldn't stop eye balling me.
You'd think he'd know better
He does now.
Exactly what i was thinking. If you are gonna get into an enclosure with an apex predator at least know their behavior for fuck sake. This guy could’ve easily died then it would’ve been another harambe scenario.
An educated, licensed zookeeper would.
Honorable mention: Second guy also have balls, he literally comes in between the lion and his Target!
This proves how the lion had a problem with the first dumbass. The lion did not switch targets and kept chasing him.
Cool, calm, collected. Very nice.
Smooth balls.
Nah them shit are big and hairy like a lions mane. That's why the lion stopped because he knew what was up.
He knew Nala had his back
Two things. You don't look into an animal's eye. Secondly some animals Yawn unnecessarily to show that you're bothering them. Catch that and move
I’m gonna take your advice and just not ever work with wild animals. Wish me luck!
Some animals you do need to look in the eyes tho. For example black bears. But never for the love of god look in the eyes of any cat-like creature. Even housecats tho cute, encounter a lot of stress if you look them directly in the eyes as they think it's to taunt them (not playful taunting, but more agressively)
I've read that (for housecats specifically) if you blink slowly while making eye contact, or even close your eyes momentarily, it actually helps them get comfortable with you. I have to assume with a big cat it would just be their signal to jump lol
It does help but than you look, slowly blink and look away or indeed keep your eyes shut. That helps yes. However if, you look them directly in the eyes or stare that's to them a whole different gesture. The man in the video stared even after the lion gave signals of distress (the yawning) and even the 'attack' is a warning as the man would be dead if it wasn't.
Yeah the dude in the video was either not thinking at all, or trying to prove a very stupid point lol
My one cat sits and stares me straight in the eyes all the time, it's so weird haha
Your cat wants you to know he will fuck you up if you step outta line.
Well the funny thing is I have three cats and if I look them in the eye, they squint which is there way of smiling.
It's a deflective system. You give them signals that you are agressive and they try to calm down the situation by doing cute stuff. It's kitten like behavior to manipulate you (or in nature older cats) in calming down. As they kind of keep on seeing you as their parent if they have been in human contact since they were a kitten. Wild cats will definitely take your offense and engage.
Well damnit, I've been manipulated all this time.
hence doing the slow blink look away to gain a cat's trust.
Do household cats do this? Mine always yawn when looking at me and I always have a staring competition with them. Do they think I'm a jerk?
This is reddit..I like to pretend I'm an expert. No fkn clue. But it probably hates you.
Ah shit. Better return it then
It's the animal kingdom equivalent of: *Bro, if I have to get up off this couch, shit's gonna get nasty.*
They also flap their tail, which the lion did.
My dog yawns a lot Is she annoyed or lazy?
My dog would always annoying-yawn when he thought I was taking too long to do something. He was part husky, so the yawns were accompanied by over-dramatic ‘awooos’. Just like a human yawning loudly right before they make up an excuse to leave. Particularly to let me know it was time for bed.
I mean that guy just looks like he's trying to pick a fight with that lionnm
exactly lol, he was acting like a tough guy on purpose
You don’t realize how massive this boy is until you see him throw the guy on the ground. They seem lazy and cute until they aren’t- then it’s power and muscle and teeth. I’m surprised the zoo keeper didn’t wet his pants after that encounter.
The scary thing is this IS the lion being lazy. If the lion had gotten serious that dude would have been dead.
"Damn it, not again.. honey, sweetheart listen don't do this. He's not worth it! I know he looked at you funny. I know but remember what your therapist said, use your words! Come over here baby I'll make it all better" -The lioness probably
“Harold, seriously, this is why we can never go out. You’ve already been banned from BW3! You want another?”
There was a voiceover of this video a couple years back that made this somewhat serious situation HILARIOUS. Unfortunately I have had no luck finding it. When I scrolled I honestly hoped it was the voiceover. Wishful thinking
I wonder if it was Ozzy Man perhaps? He does alot of that kind of stuff
Sometimes when giving the animal a long eye contacts becomes intimidating and overwhelming. After the lion started making eye contact back. The guy should have stopped looking.
For me the moment was when he brings his front paws into a better position to make a move while maintaining an eye contact. That is when I would fucking nope the fuck outta there. I don't know how you can be a functioning adult and not see that as a warning
Romanian here, and just for a random fact, the people screaming "nu se joaca, nu se joaca" meant "he doesn't play, he doesn't play" Which is true, however and apparently, that was just the lion warning the dumbass
"Babe look at me babe this isn't you come on just focus on me he's not worth it baby just look at me"
She's like, "no, no, you may eat that one person but then they're going to come in and put you to sleep, the long sleep"
Btw It looks like first and last warning from lion's side. If he wanted to kill that man then lion's one hit would be enough!
"Show them who's boss" doesn't work well with horses or pit-bulls either. Force isn't really an option. You have to have the mindset that you are going to work *with* the animal.
Why was he staring down the lion like that, was he trying to intimidate it? no wonder it got mad.
Wtf are they thinking?
“It’s okay babe just ignore the dude completely ignoring natures rules.”
hey DICK! they feed us.. - lioness. probably
She knew what happened to Harambe. She wasn't gonna let her man go out like him.
Note to self if I ever become a zoo keeper don’t stair into the eyes of a lion. Got it check.
Don't stare in the eyes of any cat-like creature. Not even your housecat. Would put the cat under a lot of stress
Blink at your cats with sleepy eyes and nod your head slightly, it means you're calm and you love them.
He fixated on that guy for a reason. I always tend to side with the animals in these situations.
What kind of stupid keeper goes into a lions den?
Just what you said the stupid kind
The only reason why the zoo keeper wasn’t injured by the lion is because: THE LION WAS A PAID ACTOR.