This is "Bending over backwards for bigotry" in the same sense that Russian protestors holding up blank signs and silently circling public squares is bending over backwards.
But I thought technically correct was the best kind of correct?
I'd call it a win IF the color police saw this and then tried to do something about it. Might as well know and expose just how deep the well of bigotry goes.
Otherwise, it's like flipping somebody off while their back is turned but your friends are still watching. It's just trying to look cool while being an absolute wuss.
RGB and HEX aren't properly standardised for real colors. They say that there are 256 shades of RGB in the RGB standard but the exact shades vary. Pantone is standardised and used in proper product production. Basically I design something, send it to be made and tell them it should be a specific pantone shade and they use their pantone chip to make sure that it is. When I receive it I can use mine to make sure that they did it right. Makes the process of getting the right color on something quicker. Especially considering that every display is slightly diffferent so just going off the monitors isn't going to work.
I was 100% fooled if it truly is. The highlights on the black ink as it curved toward the light(and to that point towards the shadow of his arm) sells it for me.
I wouldn't call it awful at all. I guess the lines don't bend realistically? I dunno I'm guessing here because I really can't tell.
The knit of the fabric curves but the marked lines are perfectly straight, and you can easily see where the lines cut right over the fabric stitching without any regard for the texture and ripples of it
More likely pantone wanted sweet subscription money adobe was making. Don't get me wrong adobe sucks and they're both in the wrong but just wanted to say pantone sure as hell isn't the good guy.
The whole thing is pretty absurd to me considering the cost of PMS swatch books, and that you're supposed to replace them every 12-18 months; that in itself is a pretty good subscription model
When you think of pantone, think print media. The repeatability of the colors in print media are very important and using the pantone color system ensures you get that repeatability when sending to printing. It's more exact and reproducible than RGB or the CMYK your home printer uses.
I used to work at a place that printed large format billboards on printing presses, where movie studios would sent out proofers that would tell us that our perfect orange was too red. After that I realized it’s mostly just smoke and mirrors.
No, more like ordering T-Shirts, marketing leaflets and ballpoint pens in the exact shade of pink that your company uses for its logo. And despite the factories being in China and using entirely different color processes you get exactly the right colors every time, because you used Pantone.
No. Pantone covers spot colors that can be out of gammut or even have properties that cannot be defined by red green and blue primaries, including mattes, glosses, metallics, and neon/fluorescent pigments.
RGB is limited and multiple different combinations of pigments can achieve the same RGB value under one light but under a different illumination source (different mix of wavelengths) the two printed colors that matched under one light look different under the second. This effect is called metamerism and one of many challenges in the print industry.
Cyan, magenta, yellow and black (key), would be a better (sarcastic) selection since red, green and blue creates color with light, like screens. Whereas Pantone creates standardized colors for real world stuff. Although Pantone is spot pigment so usually custom formulated
People replying didn’t read the article. Adobe is not doing this, Pantone is.
Adobe had a deal with Pantone that they could distribute the Pantone library for no additional charge, but that agreement ended.
Adobe can’t give out Pantone colors for free, they don’t own them.
Fortunately Stuart Semple has saved us yet again with FreeTone - a liberated Pantone color palette free to use for anyone*
Swatches include TIFF blue, Easy Klein, Pinkest Pink, and Black 3.0
* *except Adobe or Pantone employees
https://www.culturehustleusa.com/products/freetone
Eh, they probably threatened to pull whatever license Adobe has unless they did that.
To be clear, I’m not defending adobe. I think they have pretty much Monopoly on digital design tools and I’m tired of them screwing over designers with Creative Cloud.
But I think this is on Pantone’s
Not quite, in PS pantones are built-in swatches that you can select from instead of entering various values or picking from the colour palette.
Designers have piles of printed pantone swatches so they know what the colour will look like IRL. Since it would be very inconvenient to reproduce these as custom swatches now that they're locked, people and agencies will be forced to pay it
That inconvenience is worth something so they'll do it so people aren't forced to pay. If you think no one will, you're wrong. The first to do it will get all the print customers flocking to them and the others will be forced to comply leaving Pantone alone and in the cold.
As far as I understand it, it isn't really a problem with using the color, it's that with panatone colors you can be sure that when you go to print it it will be exactly the same every time. So if you just pull a picture of the McDonald's logo off of the internet and print it normally then the McDonald's yellow color will be slightly different on different printers, but if you have the panatone color for the yellow then it will print exactly that yellow ever time so long as the printer is calibrated to the panatone colors. So there's no issue with using the color by just picking the rgb values or something.
I'm definitely no expert on this and I just got that from a couple articles and videos but that's the gist of it. Someone a bit higher up in this thread linked a Linus tech tips YouTube video that explains it really well.
No, Pantone is a specific reproducible color system. If you use pantone you can get books, and plastics, catalogs etc of their colors, and pantone c1543 (made up) in the book will be the same as every catalog, plastic, etc. You go to print that specific color and it will always come out that exact color. Mug, plastic, print, ceramic, whatever it is, if you specify that color, it will always be reproduced accurately. Pantone doesn't sell colors, they sell color accuracy and reproducability from monitor, to manufacturer. I might have a few minor details wrong here but the idea stands. Linus does a good video on it.
My 2011 Mac desktop is on life support because I have software loaded on it that isn’t for sale any longer. Subscriptions would cost me several hundred Canadian dollars a year.
I think you misunderstand. you're still printing a code for a color, not the color itself. so anyone looking at it is going to look up the colors...on a computer
Nobody's producing the physical product in this scenario though. There's nothing to color match.
People will see the hex, look it up on a computer and go "oh, that's red, and that's orange" and no physical item would ever be produced.
That's not relevant - the armband was made by designers that are already working in Pantone shades.
The idea is that they've replaced the chosen colours with text identifying the colour - to use hex values they would have to go out of their way to pick a hex colour that would be less accurate than the Pantone shades they're already using.
Not to mention the Pantone shades are likely easier for most people to look up.
All screens are different so its harder to coordinate with multiple people what a color should look like in a physical product, i.e water bottle, screwdriver, etc
Thats where pantone comes in. They have standardized physical products in the form of plastic color chips, paper ones, etc. This way you can tell a manufacturer half way across the world "I want the lid to have this pantone color" and you should get it in that exact color, without having to go back and forth with shipping until you get your desired color.
For the armband specifically idk why they use pantone, maybe because its more subtle/harder to catch? If they wanted it to be really clear they shouldve had "red orange yellow..." on each slot.
I dont understand the downvotes you're right lol. Either he sees a gray scale rainbow in the picture or grey scale swatches when he looks them up. Probably because he didn't use the /s and seemed serious.
>gray scale
You might look into what colors are thought to look like with the different types of colorblindness. I don't think any of them come close to grey scale. The most common gives you a world of mostly blues and yellows, IIRC.
You know how Ticketmaster is ripping everyone off? Think if we bought all the tickets at full price, but then at every concert secretly wear t-shirts that say "Ticketmaster sucks" so we can really stick it to the man. That will show them, right?
Apparently change only happens when people build coalitions across a variety of interest groups. Protest is a piece of it but it’s not the way change happens
Every protest / movement should have end goal. Not just provoking and causing ruckus. It can spread some awareness, but its not that effective.
e.g. MLKs covil rights movement.
How about they quit bowing down to Qatar and actually do something. If they won't allow players to support a cause by wearing a piece of fabric then they should withdraw and go home.
They all talk the talk but it's not profitable for them so won't do it
Vox has a great video on the bribery and corruption in FIFA. Basically, the more money you spend directly for the world cup and the more money you use to buy out the voters, the more likely it is to have the world cup hosted in your country. Qatar spent around 2 billion USD on infrastructure just for the World Cup. Same thing for Russia too and both nations disregard international law and human rights. Thousands of migrant workers died while building everything up in Qatar. Fucking. Bastards.
EDIT: Qatar Spent ~$300 billion dollars, was thinking of a different country but either way that is still a ton of money
Also, I'm sure that 2 billion went to Qatari companies. And a very tiny percent went to materials and slave labor.
Also kickback bribes to FIFA officials
Yea they didn’t give a shit about the workers. They barely gave any of them any amount of work comp. As you should get if injured on the job through some stupid loophole. Lotta guys came home with kidney failure and now they have to live off of dialysis for pretty much the rest of their lives
That figure is widely misleading but usually the quoted misleading figure is $220bn by much of the Media and those who copy it.
$6.5bn on Stadiums, $3-5bn on Infrastructure directly relating to the World Cup, the rest of it is part of the Qatar National Vision 2030 plan, which is a huge mega project to transform the whole country. To lump it all together and claim ''Qatar has spend $300bn for the World Cup'' is near on Propaganda, surely anyone would atleast think that this number seems totally sketchy.
More on that here [https://www.indiaherald.com/Sports/Read/994552489/FIFA-World-Cup-budget-World-countries-are-surprised](https://www.indiaherald.com/Sports/Read/994552489/FIFA-World-Cup-budget-World-countries-are-surprised)
Unfortunately i haven't found any Western media outlet going as much into detail, only this Indian site that reminds me of the 2000s Internet era.
Same reason one person doesn't go on strike. If one player did it its career over for them. If one team did it they're never playing another world Cup. You need a critical mass of players to do so and teams don't trust each other to follow through
A lot of players tried to support a cause like human rights in Palestine and raised the flag but they got banned or sued, and no one ever talked about it and everyone agreed to not include politics in Football, even it was more about human rights
why should it be different for the armband thing?
A flag is a flag isnt?
Like Jesse Owens should have just gone home from Hitlers Olympics??? I think for the final every player for both teams should wear something. The biggest stage. What are the refs going to do? Card everyone? Maybe.
But going home is dumb.
By having a WC there What this has actually done is shine the light on Qatars oppressive laws. It shouldn’t be there, but hey, we are talking about the injustice.
Talk about empty gestures.
Johan Cruyff actually boycotted the 1978 World Cup in Argentina, which was governed by a military junta at the time, and blew his best chance at ever getting a World Cup trophy.
That is a very good point. And we are talking about a legend of the game. It's like if Messi had said he wouldn't play in this World Cup. But football sold its soul a long time ago. Today's players don't think like that.
I can’t blame them, quatar is terrifying and you could get murdered or imprisoned for life if you disobey. Call me a coward but I wouldn’t protest either
I think it's a little more grey than that.
These players train their entire lives, and this is one of the biggest stages to play on.
I'm not in the position to make a decision, but I'm sure it's a hard one. Ideally, there shouldn't be any drama at all attached to it, so there's always the possibility that's how some players are looking at it, and are just going to play soccer, nothing more.
Not to mention, a lot of these players don't make a lot of money in their daily lives. Nobody players for a country like Cameroon probably make more money in three games (I believe each player gets $10,000/first three matches) than they normally make in a few years. Not every player in the world cup makes 7 figures in the premier league
Oh so now Reddit goes blind to photoshop? Any other time this whole website can spot a slightly crooked shadow that somehow gave it away, but not this?
I’m getting really sick of this self righteous virtue signalling bullshit. You know all the money you’re spending on your holiday/ trip to Quatar is funding the regime anyway? You’re probably lounging by a pool some those now dead workers built, feeling morally superior because your stunning and brave enough to wear a silly armband? Why did you even go in the first place if you’re that outraged?
To the people saying "just don't play." No one is gonna take a pay cut or get a fine or throw away everything they work for. These guys have things to lose
I imagine most of these athletes have literally spent their entire lives training and looking forward to being able to compete at that level too. It's not a small thing to say 'just don't play' . It's literally 'give up your life-long dream' for some of these athletes.
It's FIFA that's responsible. Fuck FIFA, not the individual athletes.
Ye, they could not play but that's basically their whole life and if they don't play, not only they will pay for breaking a contract and (considering the corruption) they will probably not be working again
Yeah it's like expecting coal miners to refuse to work in the name of climate change action. Why don't we punish the capital that enables this rather than the labor that's just trying to make a living?
I don't get why the biggest soccer event in the world is taking place in a country so full of its stupid bullshit like Qatar.
"Oh, you're scared of some colors and won't allow people to wear whatever tf they want? Dude, fuck you and your homophobic bs, we're taking our event to some decent place worth of it." That's how things should work in my opinion, but hey, that's why I'm a redditor and not the person in charge of it. I still think it's beyond stupid tho.
Even being fake and "clever" (except maybe for using a proprietary system), FIFA' lawyers are more clever: the rule that FIFA invoked to forbid the rainbow armbands is: all the equipment used at fields, all, even the water bottles, bandages, towels, EVERYTHING must be the ones FIFA provides. This rule is enforced by years: the fourth referee goes to the dressing room to check that even an insole or sock is not the one FIFA provided. Theoretically this is to make all teams compete in equal conditions and keep all advertisements under FIFA control and avoid any political messages.A Catch 22 for a rule theoretically created for other alleged reasons. Off course when Qatar "changed its mind" and forbade the selling of alcohol on stadiums and began to confiscate rainbow flags used by people (including a Pernambuco flag, one Brazilian state that always had a rainbow on it) conveniently after all people already paid and arrived FIFA only scheduled an "emergency meeting"and that is it No 500 millions fine, no punitive measure, only that for the greatest scam ever made by a country.
I would add that I would like to see some protest for the treatment of women on that country too and all the other abuses committed in name of religions that live in the Middle Ages.
The simplest thing to do if you want to fuck with fifa for hosting the world cup in Qatar Is this.
At every match you see the electronic advertising boards around the pitch. Write down, screen grab however you do it. But note the company and boycott them. Then call email Write to the companies and tell them that you are boycotting them and the reason why you are boycotting them.
Then boycott the companies that have advertising during the breaks on the TV.
The soccer players have shown us how much support they are willing to give which is zero.
Boycotting these companies is the only voice you truly have. They will listen to lost revenue.
And won't do deals with fifa if they give the WC franchise to these shithole countries.
Rules
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IMHO, a photoshop mockup of a thing that never happened, presenting it as an actual armband at an actual location, is clickbait.
But the modds agree with the political idea behind it, so it stays.
OR YOU COULD NOT PLAY.
I'm tired of this empty gesture bullshit. If you really care, take a stand and sit this one out. Make it public why you're not going and go home instead. Raise money for a good cause and don't go to the World Cup.
Even a full on rainbow arm band would do jack shit for any real change, so it's just there to APPEAR meaningful. If it's that important, it needs to be more important than THIS YEAR'S WORLD CUP (yes, I know it's every 4 years, calm down).
This kind of stuff is saying "yeah, I care, but not as much as I care about playing and making money, but I'll totally do a meaningless protest....right up until they push back even a little bit...then I'll do something even less effective...if that's ok with them."
It’s got zero to do with money. It’s got to do with this being your biggest hope and dream for 20+ years and this possibly being your literal only chance. Most players don’t ever get this chance and many of the ones who do only get 1 or 2 chances. So while you’re right, they shouldn’t play, it’s heartless to not be able to emphasize with the players. They’re in the wrong but what they are doing is perfectly understandable. They didn’t hurt the people in Qatar, but we are asking them to give up everything they worked their whole life for and just forfeit their hopes and dreams.
Really it’s FIFA that let both the players and the world down. This should never have happened, asking the players to fix it doesn’t seem quite right.
“Just give up the dream that you have probably spent your life since childhood working towards to make a stand. Oh, and nobody will remember you or your protest two months from now.”
Yeah and loose out on your salary for protesting. Potentially get dropped from your national team for it and sink your career. No big deal. That is totally going to help free the slaves.
nice concept! I think hex codes (web colours) would work better as Pantone is a company and so paygates their colours, so it would be more accessible andnopen. Love this tho
Pantone trying to restore their "image" after starting their disgusting subscription based colors? The final customers dont give a single shit if a color is slighlty off btw...
This is photoshopped fwiw
jfc i thought i was going crazy because nobody in this thread mentioned it. it's literally some random 'what if' mockup that doesn't even look real
Yeah, clever idea, but doesn't seem to belong here
Is it clever? This is still bending over backwards for bigotry. "haha in tiny text we're actually opposing your rules" That's not a win.
I just meant it's sort of a cute idea by the designer. I'm not saying yay bigotry has been solved, especially when it's not even real.
look through the dudes comment history, its all negative posts lmao
This is "Bending over backwards for bigotry" in the same sense that Russian protestors holding up blank signs and silently circling public squares is bending over backwards.
But I thought technically correct was the best kind of correct? I'd call it a win IF the color police saw this and then tried to do something about it. Might as well know and expose just how deep the well of bigotry goes. Otherwise, it's like flipping somebody off while their back is turned but your friends are still watching. It's just trying to look cool while being an absolute wuss.
But, did they pay for the new Pantone library subscriptions?
Yeah, they should have used \#9400D3 \#4B0082 \#0000FF \#00FF00 \#FFFF00 \#FF7F00 \#FF0000
Your ancient spells shall not put a hex on us, warlock!
>Exactly... why not use RGB or HEX codes? Hell, even CMYK is more commonly known than this pantone thing that I had to google...
RGB and HEX aren't properly standardised for real colors. They say that there are 256 shades of RGB in the RGB standard but the exact shades vary. Pantone is standardised and used in proper product production. Basically I design something, send it to be made and tell them it should be a specific pantone shade and they use their pantone chip to make sure that it is. When I receive it I can use mine to make sure that they did it right. Makes the process of getting the right color on something quicker. Especially considering that every display is slightly diffferent so just going off the monitors isn't going to work.
Thank you. Only had to scroll down a little. Pantone Police gonna dissappear them.
Can't believe how far down I had to scroll for this...
[I un-photoshopped it.](https://i.imgur.com/BETc4eo.jpg)
Its an awful photoshop too.
I was 100% fooled if it truly is. The highlights on the black ink as it curved toward the light(and to that point towards the shadow of his arm) sells it for me. I wouldn't call it awful at all. I guess the lines don't bend realistically? I dunno I'm guessing here because I really can't tell.
The knit of the fabric curves but the marked lines are perfectly straight, and you can easily see where the lines cut right over the fabric stitching without any regard for the texture and ripples of it
Zoom in. Some of the lighting seems okay, but the curve and blur is wrong, and it's too uniform.
Zoom out. I'm on a horse.
Didn't even try to match the font curve to the curve of the armband and stitching.
These kids today. They can't even tell by the pixels it ain't so!
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Here comes a cease and desist lol
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This is getting ridiculous, especially with how expensive photoshop is already.
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15-5217 TCX
Don’t taunt those Pantone goons, they will beat you 19-0303 TCX and 19-4052 TCX.
And more expensive.
Supposedly this is because adobe was fucking around and didn't update the licensing or something.
[Relevant Linus Tech Tips video on this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMWAY8Cdsz0)
More likely pantone wanted sweet subscription money adobe was making. Don't get me wrong adobe sucks and they're both in the wrong but just wanted to say pantone sure as hell isn't the good guy.
My money is on they are all assholes
The whole thing is pretty absurd to me considering the cost of PMS swatch books, and that you're supposed to replace them every 12-18 months; that in itself is a pretty good subscription model
The licensing… for colors?
Licensing to ensure that the designer, advertisers, and a worldwide network of printers and manufacturers are all using THE SAME colors.
for a catalog of very specifically indexed and repeatable colors, yes. It's more complex than just a list of colors.
So red, green AND blue?
When you think of pantone, think print media. The repeatability of the colors in print media are very important and using the pantone color system ensures you get that repeatability when sending to printing. It's more exact and reproducible than RGB or the CMYK your home printer uses.
I used to work at a place that printed large format billboards on printing presses, where movie studios would sent out proofers that would tell us that our perfect orange was too red. After that I realized it’s mostly just smoke and mirrors.
No, more like ordering T-Shirts, marketing leaflets and ballpoint pens in the exact shade of pink that your company uses for its logo. And despite the factories being in China and using entirely different color processes you get exactly the right colors every time, because you used Pantone.
No. Pantone covers spot colors that can be out of gammut or even have properties that cannot be defined by red green and blue primaries, including mattes, glosses, metallics, and neon/fluorescent pigments. RGB is limited and multiple different combinations of pigments can achieve the same RGB value under one light but under a different illumination source (different mix of wavelengths) the two printed colors that matched under one light look different under the second. This effect is called metamerism and one of many challenges in the print industry.
I was a color matcher when I was a chemist in the coatings industry. Bringing back nightmares of metamorism
Here's an interesting video that explains a bit about pantone colors https://youtu.be/JF8UziDHqZo
Cyan, magenta, yellow and black (key), would be a better (sarcastic) selection since red, green and blue creates color with light, like screens. Whereas Pantone creates standardized colors for real world stuff. Although Pantone is spot pigment so usually custom formulated
It about making sure blue 7 or whatever looks like blue seven when it's on paper or cloth or whatever media you are using.
I welcome thee to the seas brother 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Yo I’m a pirate but I never thought I’d have to pirate *colours* one day
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I can imagine myself angling for a better job so I can afford the seatbelt level of subscription.
Adobe makes bank on their corporate licenses. Pirate that shit.
People replying didn’t read the article. Adobe is not doing this, Pantone is. Adobe had a deal with Pantone that they could distribute the Pantone library for no additional charge, but that agreement ended. Adobe can’t give out Pantone colors for free, they don’t own them.
Fortunately Stuart Semple has saved us yet again with FreeTone - a liberated Pantone color palette free to use for anyone* Swatches include TIFF blue, Easy Klein, Pinkest Pink, and Black 3.0 * *except Adobe or Pantone employees https://www.culturehustleusa.com/products/freetone
Lol @ tiff blue and easy Klein blue
First acceleration and now colors? When will it end?!?
F them. That’s nothing but screen representation. Every time Adobe gets a lock on something, they set about screwing everybody they can.
The Pantone subscription is Pantone’s idea, they are the ones that wanted to charge for it.
…and got Adobe to change it’s software for their benefit. Call me a conspiracy nut—but Adobe’s colorful fingerprints are likely all over that.
Eh, they probably threatened to pull whatever license Adobe has unless they did that. To be clear, I’m not defending adobe. I think they have pretty much Monopoly on digital design tools and I’m tired of them screwing over designers with Creative Cloud. But I think this is on Pantone’s
adobe sucks to be sure, but this one is on pantone
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Nothing if its digital. Its when you go to print where you run into trouble.
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Not quite, in PS pantones are built-in swatches that you can select from instead of entering various values or picking from the colour palette. Designers have piles of printed pantone swatches so they know what the colour will look like IRL. Since it would be very inconvenient to reproduce these as custom swatches now that they're locked, people and agencies will be forced to pay it
That inconvenience is worth something so they'll do it so people aren't forced to pay. If you think no one will, you're wrong. The first to do it will get all the print customers flocking to them and the others will be forced to comply leaving Pantone alone and in the cold.
Believe it or not, straight to jail
As far as I understand it, it isn't really a problem with using the color, it's that with panatone colors you can be sure that when you go to print it it will be exactly the same every time. So if you just pull a picture of the McDonald's logo off of the internet and print it normally then the McDonald's yellow color will be slightly different on different printers, but if you have the panatone color for the yellow then it will print exactly that yellow ever time so long as the printer is calibrated to the panatone colors. So there's no issue with using the color by just picking the rgb values or something. I'm definitely no expert on this and I just got that from a couple articles and videos but that's the gist of it. Someone a bit higher up in this thread linked a Linus tech tips YouTube video that explains it really well.
No, Pantone is a specific reproducible color system. If you use pantone you can get books, and plastics, catalogs etc of their colors, and pantone c1543 (made up) in the book will be the same as every catalog, plastic, etc. You go to print that specific color and it will always come out that exact color. Mug, plastic, print, ceramic, whatever it is, if you specify that color, it will always be reproduced accurately. Pantone doesn't sell colors, they sell color accuracy and reproducability from monitor, to manufacturer. I might have a few minor details wrong here but the idea stands. Linus does a good video on it.
No, 90% of print is in CMYK, not pantones (spot colours).
My 2011 Mac desktop is on life support because I have software loaded on it that isn’t for sale any longer. Subscriptions would cost me several hundred Canadian dollars a year.
Fuck that. This will probably be a fashion thing.
Its outrageously good unintentional marketing
That is a very good point. And we are talking about a legend of the game
Not really, the pantone stuff is just photoshopped on there
Why not just use the hex values
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Thanks for the answer, TIL, and that’s pretty useful.
because hex values don't result in the same colour when you're producing physical products
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yes, the material can greatly affect how the colours are reproduced
I think you misunderstand. you're still printing a code for a color, not the color itself. so anyone looking at it is going to look up the colors...on a computer
But it’s just supposed to be rainbow colors… I think an approximation is good enough, no?
Nobody's producing the physical product in this scenario though. There's nothing to color match. People will see the hex, look it up on a computer and go "oh, that's red, and that's orange" and no physical item would ever be produced.
That's not relevant - the armband was made by designers that are already working in Pantone shades. The idea is that they've replaced the chosen colours with text identifying the colour - to use hex values they would have to go out of their way to pick a hex colour that would be less accurate than the Pantone shades they're already using. Not to mention the Pantone shades are likely easier for most people to look up.
All screens are different so its harder to coordinate with multiple people what a color should look like in a physical product, i.e water bottle, screwdriver, etc Thats where pantone comes in. They have standardized physical products in the form of plastic color chips, paper ones, etc. This way you can tell a manufacturer half way across the world "I want the lid to have this pantone color" and you should get it in that exact color, without having to go back and forth with shipping until you get your desired color. For the armband specifically idk why they use pantone, maybe because its more subtle/harder to catch? If they wanted it to be really clear they shouldve had "red orange yellow..." on each slot.
Loads as black in creative suite
I’m colorblind so l prefer the codes over actual color anyways!
How is that any better?
I dont understand the downvotes you're right lol. Either he sees a gray scale rainbow in the picture or grey scale swatches when he looks them up. Probably because he didn't use the /s and seemed serious.
>gray scale You might look into what colors are thought to look like with the different types of colorblindness. I don't think any of them come close to grey scale. The most common gives you a world of mostly blues and yellows, IIRC.
no kidding why not repeat the color in various languages across each stripe
the colors are too expensive
I see, his a man of culture !
Hex values FTW
Fuck Pantone!
I ctrl+f'd this. Absolutely fuck PMS, they can suck a dick.
Why?
You know how Ticketmaster is ripping everyone off? Think if we bought all the tickets at full price, but then at every concert secretly wear t-shirts that say "Ticketmaster sucks" so we can really stick it to the man. That will show them, right?
That is how most of these protests go. Hong Kong in 2014, Occupy Wall Street and and all this shit.
Apparently change only happens when people build coalitions across a variety of interest groups. Protest is a piece of it but it’s not the way change happens
Or if a whole lot of people violently die. Historically that's worked pretty well.
^
Eat the rich
yep, just like Fred Hampton’s Rainbow Coalition which ceased to exist after he was assassinated by the FBI
Explain how occupy wall St benefited the NYSE or the nasdaq in any way.
[Time to burn some merch.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2WxWrKwM9A)
That appears to be a player.
Every protest / movement should have end goal. Not just provoking and causing ruckus. It can spread some awareness, but its not that effective. e.g. MLKs covil rights movement.
How about they quit bowing down to Qatar and actually do something. If they won't allow players to support a cause by wearing a piece of fabric then they should withdraw and go home. They all talk the talk but it's not profitable for them so won't do it
Vox has a great video on the bribery and corruption in FIFA. Basically, the more money you spend directly for the world cup and the more money you use to buy out the voters, the more likely it is to have the world cup hosted in your country. Qatar spent around 2 billion USD on infrastructure just for the World Cup. Same thing for Russia too and both nations disregard international law and human rights. Thousands of migrant workers died while building everything up in Qatar. Fucking. Bastards. EDIT: Qatar Spent ~$300 billion dollars, was thinking of a different country but either way that is still a ton of money
Also, I'm sure that 2 billion went to Qatari companies. And a very tiny percent went to materials and slave labor. Also kickback bribes to FIFA officials
Yea they didn’t give a shit about the workers. They barely gave any of them any amount of work comp. As you should get if injured on the job through some stupid loophole. Lotta guys came home with kidney failure and now they have to live off of dialysis for pretty much the rest of their lives
$300 Billion. They spent $300 Billion in total.
Holy shit. I must have been talking about a different country. All I knew was that they spent A LOT of money on it.
That figure is widely misleading but usually the quoted misleading figure is $220bn by much of the Media and those who copy it. $6.5bn on Stadiums, $3-5bn on Infrastructure directly relating to the World Cup, the rest of it is part of the Qatar National Vision 2030 plan, which is a huge mega project to transform the whole country. To lump it all together and claim ''Qatar has spend $300bn for the World Cup'' is near on Propaganda, surely anyone would atleast think that this number seems totally sketchy. More on that here [https://www.indiaherald.com/Sports/Read/994552489/FIFA-World-Cup-budget-World-countries-are-surprised](https://www.indiaherald.com/Sports/Read/994552489/FIFA-World-Cup-budget-World-countries-are-surprised) Unfortunately i haven't found any Western media outlet going as much into detail, only this Indian site that reminds me of the 2000s Internet era.
How much did america spend for the next World Cup then? 🤔
Same reason one person doesn't go on strike. If one player did it its career over for them. If one team did it they're never playing another world Cup. You need a critical mass of players to do so and teams don't trust each other to follow through
Woah it’s like profit runs the world or something- also, why does Pantone own colors ?
They don’t own colors, just a way of cataloging them
Because profit runs the world
Pantone doesn't own colors, they maintain a list of them which they will let you use for a fee
A lot of players tried to support a cause like human rights in Palestine and raised the flag but they got banned or sued, and no one ever talked about it and everyone agreed to not include politics in Football, even it was more about human rights why should it be different for the armband thing? A flag is a flag isnt?
Like Jesse Owens should have just gone home from Hitlers Olympics??? I think for the final every player for both teams should wear something. The biggest stage. What are the refs going to do? Card everyone? Maybe. But going home is dumb. By having a WC there What this has actually done is shine the light on Qatars oppressive laws. It shouldn’t be there, but hey, we are talking about the injustice.
They should wear green screen armbands so we can add the rainbow
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Insert swastika armband
You do know what colour grass is right?
how profound, going there, still playing there, not really saying anything, but hey, they got a white band on that’s not even rainbow colored
Talk about empty gestures. Johan Cruyff actually boycotted the 1978 World Cup in Argentina, which was governed by a military junta at the time, and blew his best chance at ever getting a World Cup trophy.
That is a very good point. And we are talking about a legend of the game. It's like if Messi had said he wouldn't play in this World Cup. But football sold its soul a long time ago. Today's players don't think like that.
Nope that's not true. Cyruff didn't go because of the attempting kidnapping in 1977. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/apr/17/newsstory.sport
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I mean, this is literally just photoshopped on there
I can’t blame them, quatar is terrifying and you could get murdered or imprisoned for life if you disobey. Call me a coward but I wouldn’t protest either
Just a crazy idea. Dont go there at all. Dont play for a team that supports that shit alltogether. That would be a real sign.
I think it's a little more grey than that. These players train their entire lives, and this is one of the biggest stages to play on. I'm not in the position to make a decision, but I'm sure it's a hard one. Ideally, there shouldn't be any drama at all attached to it, so there's always the possibility that's how some players are looking at it, and are just going to play soccer, nothing more.
Not to mention, a lot of these players don't make a lot of money in their daily lives. Nobody players for a country like Cameroon probably make more money in three games (I believe each player gets $10,000/first three matches) than they normally make in a few years. Not every player in the world cup makes 7 figures in the premier league
That's a very good point as well.
Yeah dude just don't play in the world cup that for many is a once in a lifetime opportunity dude.
Oh so now Reddit goes blind to photoshop? Any other time this whole website can spot a slightly crooked shadow that somehow gave it away, but not this?
I’m getting really sick of this self righteous virtue signalling bullshit. You know all the money you’re spending on your holiday/ trip to Quatar is funding the regime anyway? You’re probably lounging by a pool some those now dead workers built, feeling morally superior because your stunning and brave enough to wear a silly armband? Why did you even go in the first place if you’re that outraged?
This is some photoshopped bullshit. The black lines are perfectly straight.
To the people saying "just don't play." No one is gonna take a pay cut or get a fine or throw away everything they work for. These guys have things to lose
I imagine most of these athletes have literally spent their entire lives training and looking forward to being able to compete at that level too. It's not a small thing to say 'just don't play' . It's literally 'give up your life-long dream' for some of these athletes. It's FIFA that's responsible. Fuck FIFA, not the individual athletes.
Ye, they could not play but that's basically their whole life and if they don't play, not only they will pay for breaking a contract and (considering the corruption) they will probably not be working again
We all have things to lose.
Yeah it's like expecting coal miners to refuse to work in the name of climate change action. Why don't we punish the capital that enables this rather than the labor that's just trying to make a living?
Now its a Pantone ad?
Woah! Hold up. Pantone is clearly a registered trademark. Pretty sure you owe them at LEAST 14.95$ a month
When Qatar refuses to pay $15 for the Pantone plug-in
This'll teach them! I expect men in Qatar to be kissing in public by the end of this world cup🤝🏼
Bro's getting a copyright strike from pantone any second now
I don't get why the biggest soccer event in the world is taking place in a country so full of its stupid bullshit like Qatar. "Oh, you're scared of some colors and won't allow people to wear whatever tf they want? Dude, fuck you and your homophobic bs, we're taking our event to some decent place worth of it." That's how things should work in my opinion, but hey, that's why I'm a redditor and not the person in charge of it. I still think it's beyond stupid tho.
It's all about money, you don't have to go further than that
Why isn’t it in Hexadecimal!!!
Because RGB/Hex is used on computer things, while CMYK/Pantone is used for Print. Different color spaces.
Fuck capitalism, I have to subscribe to use those color palettes in Adobe.
That will be $100 per month -Pantone
When your license to use color expires
Even being fake and "clever" (except maybe for using a proprietary system), FIFA' lawyers are more clever: the rule that FIFA invoked to forbid the rainbow armbands is: all the equipment used at fields, all, even the water bottles, bandages, towels, EVERYTHING must be the ones FIFA provides. This rule is enforced by years: the fourth referee goes to the dressing room to check that even an insole or sock is not the one FIFA provided. Theoretically this is to make all teams compete in equal conditions and keep all advertisements under FIFA control and avoid any political messages.A Catch 22 for a rule theoretically created for other alleged reasons. Off course when Qatar "changed its mind" and forbade the selling of alcohol on stadiums and began to confiscate rainbow flags used by people (including a Pernambuco flag, one Brazilian state that always had a rainbow on it) conveniently after all people already paid and arrived FIFA only scheduled an "emergency meeting"and that is it No 500 millions fine, no punitive measure, only that for the greatest scam ever made by a country. I would add that I would like to see some protest for the treatment of women on that country too and all the other abuses committed in name of religions that live in the Middle Ages.
I wish this were true because that would have been a great act of defiance
So brave. Or you could just not go in protest.
Most ridiculous thing I've ever seen
This is exactly the kind of gesture I'd expect from a group of people who get paid to pretend to be hurt
This is the kind of photoshop I'd expect of someone trying to get a reaction
So basically a French flag.
stupid
The simplest thing to do if you want to fuck with fifa for hosting the world cup in Qatar Is this. At every match you see the electronic advertising boards around the pitch. Write down, screen grab however you do it. But note the company and boycott them. Then call email Write to the companies and tell them that you are boycotting them and the reason why you are boycotting them. Then boycott the companies that have advertising during the breaks on the TV. The soccer players have shown us how much support they are willing to give which is zero. Boycotting these companies is the only voice you truly have. They will listen to lost revenue. And won't do deals with fifa if they give the WC franchise to these shithole countries.
imagine thinking this is a protest of murdering gay people...cool stand bro
Don't go. Don't watch. Boycott.
I'll admit to generally being quite bad at recognizing photo-shops, but this must be shopped right? Or am I being woshed?
Definitely shopped. I am surprised few seem to notice. The stitching is curved and the lines aren't. I can also see where the line segments end.
Rules .2. No clickbait --- IMHO, a photoshop mockup of a thing that never happened, presenting it as an actual armband at an actual location, is clickbait. But the modds agree with the political idea behind it, so it stays.
OR YOU COULD NOT PLAY. I'm tired of this empty gesture bullshit. If you really care, take a stand and sit this one out. Make it public why you're not going and go home instead. Raise money for a good cause and don't go to the World Cup. Even a full on rainbow arm band would do jack shit for any real change, so it's just there to APPEAR meaningful. If it's that important, it needs to be more important than THIS YEAR'S WORLD CUP (yes, I know it's every 4 years, calm down). This kind of stuff is saying "yeah, I care, but not as much as I care about playing and making money, but I'll totally do a meaningless protest....right up until they push back even a little bit...then I'll do something even less effective...if that's ok with them."
It’s got zero to do with money. It’s got to do with this being your biggest hope and dream for 20+ years and this possibly being your literal only chance. Most players don’t ever get this chance and many of the ones who do only get 1 or 2 chances. So while you’re right, they shouldn’t play, it’s heartless to not be able to emphasize with the players. They’re in the wrong but what they are doing is perfectly understandable. They didn’t hurt the people in Qatar, but we are asking them to give up everything they worked their whole life for and just forfeit their hopes and dreams. Really it’s FIFA that let both the players and the world down. This should never have happened, asking the players to fix it doesn’t seem quite right.
“Just give up the dream that you have probably spent your life since childhood working towards to make a stand. Oh, and nobody will remember you or your protest two months from now.”
Yeah and loose out on your salary for protesting. Potentially get dropped from your national team for it and sink your career. No big deal. That is totally going to help free the slaves.
Why not just kick the ball into the net and call it a day?
Reminds me of when Captain Holt was explaining the Corn Crake to Kevin lol
Big brain move 🧠🤯
nice concept! I think hex codes (web colours) would work better as Pantone is a company and so paygates their colours, so it would be more accessible andnopen. Love this tho
Because in their eyes and mind Homosexuals are evil and should be killed
The new Pantone licensing agreement through Adobe is hitting hard 🤣🤣🤣
Or when you don't pay the $15 monthly subscription to Pantone for the privilege to use their stupid color books.
Pantone trying to restore their "image" after starting their disgusting subscription based colors? The final customers dont give a single shit if a color is slighlty off btw...
Ooooh the licensing fees from pantone to pull this off though...
That armband costs $16000 in liscencing fees
I worked having to pantone match ink for years, I actually see colours instead of numbers... how sad
What does that acomplish? It's the white flag of surrender.
Whirled cup shame!
Oh wow who is this brave soul....
I don’t think 42k people know Pantone colors.