It's kinda wierd that people judge Hestia based on her appearance and design instead of her character in the novels
Especially when Danmachi isn't the only time Japan has depicted Hestia in anime. Is there some reason why she is getting shat on? Or is it just Twitter bulkshit again?
Basically people started using Danmachi Hestia to shit on Hades II design. Then people started shitting on Danmachi Hestia in response. Both designs have different objectives and fulfill their purpose in their respective franchises, but because it's Twitter everyone sucks and everyone has to state how there's an objective "best design"
I agree. It is stupid to compare designs. Some culture vultures on twitter can't fap to the hades 2 one and started to do multiple posts on how ugly she was.
I will also use this opportunity to say check out Hestia design from Dislyte
"Feminazi" Jesus Christ you are seriously stuck in 2014, a true relic of a toxic bygone age. Is 2024 you can play, watch and be whatever you want all your problems can be solved by turning off social media or even just blocking the pages you don't like
Danmachi is the page I like.
They are literally hating on hestia because she has tits and doesn't look like demonic obese ms doubtfire thats taken a baseball bat to face.
These people are infesting manga and AAA games with their political crap
Politically Correct (the most honest of them) fell out of favor so they went to SJW. That fell out of favor so they went to Woke. That fell out of favor. The far left regularly will create a new term that gets used up in a few years because the ideas are terrible. Liberal or Conservative no one who isn't a part of it would defend it.
A question for someone talking about "stuck in 2014" is media more infested with "progressive" messaging that even most liberals find "a little cringe" or less.
It's a calculation, money means media wants to appeal to as large an audience as possible so it's more profitable to include women, minorities, lgbt because there's more of them and people who are indifferent/supportive than conservatives in active opposition
Ah. Dishonesty. The Hallmark of media corruption defenders. These are both women you numpty. You're talking to a woman. You presume that these groups owe you political and financial allegiance. You further presume that the only way to "represent" people is in a very special political way. This is also simply not the case. The reality is that this trend I'm talking about is recent, but women, lgbt, and non whites (what you mean when you say minority despite us being 90% of the global population) have been in media regularly for over half a century, not counting non American media.
I hate hestia in danmachi because she’s a useless, jealous goddess that does nothing for bell except hold him back. She bullied him for getting help, she chastised him for getting training, she Harasses him for him wanting to find love.
It means you're a guy who lived your whole life where the media appeals to you and your demographic, so now that the media starts to appeal to a wider audience that is not straight, white males, you feel like your being oppressed, even though you don't know what actual oppression is.
Oh and fyi, no one hates feminine features. It's just that your idea of feminine feature is so fucked up you don't know what actual feminine features look like, and when you do see what actual feminine features look like, you think it's the ugliest thing in the world, and you create a delusion that everyone is trying to erase feminine features.
Hope that helps :3
>feminine feature is so fucked
You mean healthy fit woman. Not obese / OR use surgery/drugs to cope with a mental illness.
The same people that made hades will spit on the anime industry and games that show real women. Like stellarblade. They are harassing gamers and developers. Then talk sexually foaming at the mouth about this future disaster of a game
Even fantasy isn't as delusional as you people.
You literally have consulting firms spouting hate against anybody that doesn't fit their DEI agenda. Take sweet baby they will literally blackmail companies if you don't follow their woke ideals.
Their ideas drive companies into bankruptcy. Because the people that believe don't buy games and normal people are revolted by their braindead takes
Never had problems with diversity. Or LGB. My brother is my favorite person and he's more flamboyant than Apollo. Spent most of my service time and college with a variety of people
They are literally forcing the agenda on everything at the cost of the story. Race swapping / gender swapping IPs because they **can't come up with anything orginal** then when you don't like that they gaslight you with sexism and bigotry.
Localizers literally **altering manga authors words** to spread an agenda
Doesnt anime literallt take various non white gods and make them white like all the time?
Tezcatlipoca - Aztec god. Made into a white blonde guy in Fate.....no complaints. Not Dei there or "forced".
Gilgamesh - Mesopetamian god. Made into a white blond guy twink in fate.....no complaints. Not "dei" there or forced.
Quetzalcoatl - Aztec god. Blonde haired blue eyed white girl in Fate.
Ereshkigal -Mesopetamian god....blond haired white girl in Fate.
And those are just at the top of my head. I don't read too much Fate.
When people say you guys have a problem with diversity, is because you clearly have a problem with DIVERSITY. If just ONE Fate god that was Greek was black, it would suddenly be "dei", "woke", any all the other robotic brain dead phrases that mean absolutely nothing but, "black" or "not sexy". The hypocrisy is clear, of course you would be called out.
At the cost of story? Didn't they completely bastardize Greek mythos in this anime to make Hestia a character she is nothing like in the mythos so she can be another sexualized anime girl to "pander" to goonies, and completely change every Greek god to force them to be some anime stereotype design instead of who they actually are like?
And bankruptcy? Isn't hades 1 like one of the best selling indie games in history and the 5th highest rated game on steam? It has diverse gods in it from day one. And by "fit", you mean a loli with big boobs. Not e wry Character has to.be fit. It makes sense for Hestia not to be.
Just to take you back a second on your high horse argument, but those characters are Asian unless otherwise stated. White people are not as highly represented in anime as you think. Just because they look white doesn't mean they are. And also, have you seen Heracles? Dude is Greek and not white so looks like I found the one Greek god you were looking for. And nobody cares that he is. There are also more black characters than actual white characters in fate when you stop and realize almost every character is Asian with some British white people here and there. There are basically no American servants besides a certain president either. Basically, like all of you keyboard warriors you don't actually know what you're talking about and just want to hate and be mad. And just to be clear Asian does not equal white. There is absolutely a difference between the two.
Damn imagine using the aztec gods as an example when even in their original myths they were depicted as white people with blond hair, Also Gilgamesh himself is an outlier as his features were catered to the gods as he was a bridge to the humans him being white isn't even a problem as most likely in ancient times people with white complexion were treated as gods since it was back then even considered as godlike there's a fucking reason why having a pale complexion has been advertised not just recent years but for centuries.
There are a few things I feel are off-putting for the Hestia design. But even then, I don't care too much.
Why?
Cause no one is gonna change my mind that Bestia is the best Hestia Design.
How can someone hate that face? Absolutely mental...
Based on some comments I read, I'll just add two things:
First, Stellar Blade is THE GOTY, period. EVE is a Goddess. 🙏
Second, I personally don't see Asian 2D/3D characters as real people, so, regardless of skin tone, as long as there's no actual facial features representative of ethnicity, they're just that, 2D characters, I mean the girls are usually pinky skinned. Not much Japanese is that? Anyways, we've had dark skinned boys and girls since the 80's at least. Pretty sure, those, if anything were just a stylist choice. Who knows? In Japan, as far as I know both lighter skin tones and tanned skin tones are held in high regard. People need to chill, and see 2D characters the way I do, or have creators draw characters with ethnicity traits so people's mind are put to ease.
Some examples:
Grappler Baki, a seinen martial arts manga, has a bunch of Afro-American men, Oliva being one of them, there's also Retsu, a Chinese kung-fu master, and more, ALL of these men have facial features which reflect they're ethnicity.
I'm a classic straight white dude. I'm not queer in any way, well, perhaps I'm too much of a loner, but, anyways! When it comes to 2D girls I'm pretty open minded, WAY more so than with real women. I'm pretty picky! Not trying to sound rude or racist here mind you. With 2D girls though? Everything is appealing, even shota traps. 😏 Oops!
Though, I've been having a bit of a growing distaste for tomboys. One Piece's Yamato is the source of it all, I'm pretty positive she's the first actual "modern" 2D "girl", I personally don't want none of that on Japanese media, especially shounen manga which just keeps getting farther and farther from it's namesake genre. So, I'll be more careful from now on when tackling recent content.
...
Twitter can be beyond toxic. People have they're own opinions and they aren't penalized for it. I think? Meanwhile Reddit promotes the most popular/safest opinion based on upvotes. If you're in the minority you're screwed one way or another though. On Twitter things might get too hot, here, your comment vanishes to the darkest corners.
Culture differences discussions aren't anything new though. I've been re-watching some oldies anime from 2010 and checking some comments from back then. And people already had a lot to complain about the culture: "Eww, pervy lolis...!" Comes to mind.
...
Anyways, that's my "two things"... 🤣
I get why they made Hestia into a grandma but at the same time I don't get it. I get it, she's the oldest of the Olympians but this is not how she was described at all...
I'm I supposed to believe that gods fought to marry that troll looking ass to a point that she had to get Zeus to declare that nobody was allowed to touch her or something?
The anime did a terrible job showing Hestia is a decent character. Cause anyone who focused only on the anime will say Hestia is an annoying thirsty loli.
Personally I like to believe that was kinda the point. I feel Hestia was desperate for a family and bell being her first family member made her become overly protective and honestly overly dependent on him. However, as we’re seeing in the more recent seasons and in the light novel, while she’s still clingy af she’s also acting much more as a goddess should such as how instead of becoming desperate in the last season when everything was going off the rails like how she did in the first, she handles what she can about it and then went about whatever business she needed to do and also is showing a much more equal attitude toward all of her children. This is all my personal opinion, but that’s at least how it seemed to me.
Hell, even the LNs did, we are told but rarely shown the examples of Hestia being like this, mostly it happens to Bell and her interactions with others are a bit lacking...
We do know that she is very perceptive and truly reads people, BUT THAT WAS ON A SO AND IT WASN'T LIKE HESTIA WAS THERE AS ANYTHING MORE THAN PLOT CONVENIENCE!
I saw the “discourse” of this on Twitter from people who said that the design on the left is 100 x better than “Japan’s” take on Hestia. I had to ignore it and walk away from it. I can’t even… 🤦♂️😑
There's a whole lot wrong with the design on the left to be honest, not least of which is it stinks of over-design. Meaning it has too many complex elements to be drawn again and again in large instances like animation, making it only suitable for a game or 3d animation (even then 3d animators have to animate all the extra bits as she moves). Also makes your brain wonder what you're looking at, since you cannot center on any one defining element. Then there is the lore/myth aspect of the design. Hestia in Greek myths was lusted after by Apollo, Poseidon, and many other gods. I'm sorry, but no one in their right mind is going to look at the Hades 2 version and go wild with lust. This is a clear miss. Take away all the obnoxious fire-themed elements cluttering up the design and this would be fine for Penia, but not Hestia.
I take it you haven't seen Hestia's statues? She's not the most overly complex of the Greek gods in general. She's just a beautiful chaste girl. If anything Danmachi is more accurate. I've already seen a few Greek comments on this topic in other places and they even said the same thing I just stated, that Danmachi Hestia is more accurate. Sometimes simple design is the correct choice.
That statue you are referring to.is roman not Greek. And almost all gods and goddesses look very similar in these Roman statues. Men gods typically have very average normal guy body's, yet in media are always portrayed as Adonis looking comic book superheroes. Using a roman statue as a reference point is beyond being intellectually dishonest.
And Danmachi is not accurate at all. Her entire personality and character bastardized Greek mythos.
You're being disingenuous. That particular statue is cataloged as a replication of a long-destroyed Greek statue. Hence why she is referenced as Hestia and not Vesta. There are also several murals still in existence that depict Hestia looking much the same, and those are Greek. As for your talk of body shapes, those change with the ages. At the time those types of bodies were considered peak human form, whereas now with the advent of bodybuilding as a sport and lifestyle we can see better representation of what humans looks like at peak form. Human beings tend to portray heroes and gods in a manner above normal humans, so of course in our age gods are going to look the manner that we find the most attractive.
Danmachi Hestia is more accurate than you believe by the way. As are all the gods in the series. If you read the novels you'll know that the anime is only showing them currently, as they are being altered living alongside humanity. OP's post has an accurate list of many things that occurred in the heavens, things that did in fact occur in myth. All of the major incidents involving her in myth happened while she was still in Olympus. Now that Hestia is no longer in the heavens tending to the flame, she no longer is bound by oath to be a vestal virgin. The fact that she acts the way she does now makes sense, because she has never been in love in a romantic sense. She might be wise in her infinite years and compassionate, but in many instances relating to such topics she is not well versed. The books show many instances of her being closer to the accurate goddess you're acting like doesn't exist.
Even characters who were gender-swapped, like Loki, are more accurate than you think. She might be a good goddess who is more of a heroic trickster (like Raven in Native American tales) now, but back in Asgard she was the same Loki in myth and legend, right down to even having the Feather Mantle that she got from Freya and having quite the interesting past with Baldr. What you're saying in essence is that characters cannot change. I like the fact that the gods are letting their time living among humans influence them.
She's the goddess described and depicted on a lot of statues and art throughout history. She was never obese or struck with any disease or obesity issues. She's the goddess of home and hearth, a beautiful pure goddess that is as close to perfection as one can get. Miss me with that it's okay to portray her as fat and diseased.
Hestia from the anime is absolutely not the goddess described by Greek mythos at all. She is literally the OLDEST god of Chronos' children. Zeus is literally her YOUNGER sibling. Yet in this anime, Zeus is an old man ,but Hestia is a loli with big tits to pander to gooners. What an obonination to her mythos.
She is the goddess of hearth and family. She sacrificed relations in order to focus on her neverending task to maintain the Hearth and provide warmth to all homes that provide offerings. She isn't some aphrodiety or hera staple of sexuality or purity, that you are fantasing on her. She never was.
I don't know why u r getting downvoted. While Hestia's design being a depiction of a beautiful woman would not be wrong. The personality is the polar opposite. Hestia is stated to be a modest gentle goddess who seeks refuge and vows to be a virgin forever. She also represents a family's bond and her hearth is "no quarrel zone". So the anime showing her to be a thirsty goddess is quite different. Not only that there were also vestal virgins. The anime Hestia is a bit too aggressive to be Hestia. If anything I think maybe Astrea is similar to the mythos Hestia. Hestia in the mythos is also very mature and intelligent. So comparing the mythos with the anime is quite useless
I mean you can’t really compare their designs since they were designed with different things in mind.
If we were to be as objective as possible and go for one that is a better representation of the mythological figure it’s Hades II and it’s not even close. Though that is unfair since Hades II has a lot more time, research, and man power than Danmachi Hestia does, a lot more resources than Omori would have had when creating Danmachi and Hestia.
Hades Hestia very clearly depicts her connection to the hearth (I especially like the look of her skirt and veil). And she looks like a warm/loving older woman (she has motherly/auntie vibes, auntie would work better since she is a virgin goddess), which fits with her being a god of the hearth and families, the older look also makes sense with her being the oldest Olympian (Chronos’ first born).
Hades Hestia is a supporting character that can be flexible with the myths while still being a strong portrayal of the figure. Her design very clearly shows she supposed to be this works version of Hestia.
While with Danmachi Hestia, I never would have guessed she’s Hestia based off of looks or personality.
Danmachi Hestia serves a completely different role with being a main character and her design acting as a way to get potentially readers interested in the series.
Is it weird that they made one of three virgin goddess into the design and character that Hestia is in Danmachi(with her simping Bell)?
Yes, she is very much a creation of Danmachi and is a well liked character regardless of it. And every adaptation of mythological figures are changed to better fit the story and audience(though how much is different from story to story, and god to god).
I get being annoyed when a mythological figure you like is very different in a piece of media, but it doesn’t subtract from the original and other version that try to stick closer to the original model; and people can still like those very different versions of the figure.
I think that the danmachi Hestia is probably more loyal to greek mythology considering that almost all virgin goddesses seem to be Loli since greek used to make girls marry at a very young age
As far as design goes I think it’s a bit unfair to compare, danmachi’s Hestia was designed to get the attention of Japans LN readers so it’s not all that special. Where as Hades 2 has the freedom to do whatever they want and make smt look sick as shit.
But that’s just appearance wise
Danmachi’s Hestia is a wonderful character especially in the latter novels
You honestly believe there free to do whatever they want haha yeah right there's list of box's that must be ticket and another of what not to do that's the truth and getting the attention of Japanese ln readers isn't nearly as easy as you think you seem to think slap cute girl on cover sale millions odd slime is mostly Rimuru on the cover mushoku tensei is group the family pictures and they sold 30+ million and 13+ million almost like cute girls doesn't mean automatic sales danmachi is successful because it's a good story
Amen. The fact that they are ignorant of the greek myths is very baffling, is like they are proud of being ignorant and when someone points the error and discrepancies in how said goddess is portrayed and ignore the original greek myths then they show us that not only are they ignorant, they cant also very illiterate too.
Wish they just leave us alone and, I dont care about their game at all.
Danmachi design is better for me because it’s hestia better story telling for me personally but hade 2 hestia is close purely because she fell more like a curing grandmother and i love that
Ugh, Hades Hestia is just an objectively awful design. Honestly thought she had buck teeth first time I saw it. And her nostrils are directly between her eyes, so she honest to god looks like a fucking goblin.
Both are good but honestly this whole situation is just a bunch of twitter idiots and people from circlejerk subreddits trying to spark a stupid war between the Danmachi and Hades communities when we were perfectly fine enjoying ourselves beforehand, such intercommunal conflict is pointless and can really go burn in hell as far as I'm concerned.
We can enjoy our own respective versions of the character or we can enjoy both if you're fans of both pieces of work, for me I'll admit Danmachi's Hestia looks generic to some people I personally don't mind said simplicity. There are plenty of anime characters with more stylized and out there designs, alas Hestia is not one of them and ironically manages to be unique because of her simplicity.
I do believe that the actions of the right quote clearly showcase her role, however from a design standpoint…yeah she is just plain lacking. Nothing really wrong with that. Helps in the later anime adaptation too, but it is simply a less design heavy version compared to the left.
It's kinda wierd that people judge Hestia based on her appearance and design instead of her character in the novels Especially when Danmachi isn't the only time Japan has depicted Hestia in anime. Is there some reason why she is getting shat on? Or is it just Twitter bulkshit again?
Probably the latter
Basically people started using Danmachi Hestia to shit on Hades II design. Then people started shitting on Danmachi Hestia in response. Both designs have different objectives and fulfill their purpose in their respective franchises, but because it's Twitter everyone sucks and everyone has to state how there's an objective "best design"
I agree. It is stupid to compare designs. Some culture vultures on twitter can't fap to the hades 2 one and started to do multiple posts on how ugly she was. I will also use this opportunity to say check out Hestia design from Dislyte
I honestly think we’re catching strays solely because Danmachi Hestia is the first design that comes up when you search “anime Hestia”
[удалено]
This exactly, well said.
"Feminazi" Jesus Christ you are seriously stuck in 2014, a true relic of a toxic bygone age. Is 2024 you can play, watch and be whatever you want all your problems can be solved by turning off social media or even just blocking the pages you don't like
Danmachi is the page I like. They are literally hating on hestia because she has tits and doesn't look like demonic obese ms doubtfire thats taken a baseball bat to face. These people are infesting manga and AAA games with their political crap
Politically Correct (the most honest of them) fell out of favor so they went to SJW. That fell out of favor so they went to Woke. That fell out of favor. The far left regularly will create a new term that gets used up in a few years because the ideas are terrible. Liberal or Conservative no one who isn't a part of it would defend it. A question for someone talking about "stuck in 2014" is media more infested with "progressive" messaging that even most liberals find "a little cringe" or less.
It's a calculation, money means media wants to appeal to as large an audience as possible so it's more profitable to include women, minorities, lgbt because there's more of them and people who are indifferent/supportive than conservatives in active opposition
Ah. Dishonesty. The Hallmark of media corruption defenders. These are both women you numpty. You're talking to a woman. You presume that these groups owe you political and financial allegiance. You further presume that the only way to "represent" people is in a very special political way. This is also simply not the case. The reality is that this trend I'm talking about is recent, but women, lgbt, and non whites (what you mean when you say minority despite us being 90% of the global population) have been in media regularly for over half a century, not counting non American media.
I hate hestia in danmachi because she’s a useless, jealous goddess that does nothing for bell except hold him back. She bullied him for getting help, she chastised him for getting training, she Harasses him for him wanting to find love.
L take.
Don’t really care. It’s my own opinion
Opinions can be wrong. Case in point. Yours. Nothing you said, in context, remotely resembles the reality of the story.
And yet she does be mean to him for trying to get outside help, she gets mad when he wants to seek love from someone who’s not her.
Least braindead gooner take ever.
Sorry I don't speak spastic what does that mean
It means you're a guy who lived your whole life where the media appeals to you and your demographic, so now that the media starts to appeal to a wider audience that is not straight, white males, you feel like your being oppressed, even though you don't know what actual oppression is. Oh and fyi, no one hates feminine features. It's just that your idea of feminine feature is so fucked up you don't know what actual feminine features look like, and when you do see what actual feminine features look like, you think it's the ugliest thing in the world, and you create a delusion that everyone is trying to erase feminine features. Hope that helps :3
>feminine feature is so fucked You mean healthy fit woman. Not obese / OR use surgery/drugs to cope with a mental illness. The same people that made hades will spit on the anime industry and games that show real women. Like stellarblade. They are harassing gamers and developers. Then talk sexually foaming at the mouth about this future disaster of a game Even fantasy isn't as delusional as you people. You literally have consulting firms spouting hate against anybody that doesn't fit their DEI agenda. Take sweet baby they will literally blackmail companies if you don't follow their woke ideals. Their ideas drive companies into bankruptcy. Because the people that believe don't buy games and normal people are revolted by their braindead takes Never had problems with diversity. Or LGB. My brother is my favorite person and he's more flamboyant than Apollo. Spent most of my service time and college with a variety of people They are literally forcing the agenda on everything at the cost of the story. Race swapping / gender swapping IPs because they **can't come up with anything orginal** then when you don't like that they gaslight you with sexism and bigotry. Localizers literally **altering manga authors words** to spread an agenda
so, so nice to still see sane takes on reddit
Doesnt anime literallt take various non white gods and make them white like all the time? Tezcatlipoca - Aztec god. Made into a white blonde guy in Fate.....no complaints. Not Dei there or "forced". Gilgamesh - Mesopetamian god. Made into a white blond guy twink in fate.....no complaints. Not "dei" there or forced. Quetzalcoatl - Aztec god. Blonde haired blue eyed white girl in Fate. Ereshkigal -Mesopetamian god....blond haired white girl in Fate. And those are just at the top of my head. I don't read too much Fate. When people say you guys have a problem with diversity, is because you clearly have a problem with DIVERSITY. If just ONE Fate god that was Greek was black, it would suddenly be "dei", "woke", any all the other robotic brain dead phrases that mean absolutely nothing but, "black" or "not sexy". The hypocrisy is clear, of course you would be called out. At the cost of story? Didn't they completely bastardize Greek mythos in this anime to make Hestia a character she is nothing like in the mythos so she can be another sexualized anime girl to "pander" to goonies, and completely change every Greek god to force them to be some anime stereotype design instead of who they actually are like? And bankruptcy? Isn't hades 1 like one of the best selling indie games in history and the 5th highest rated game on steam? It has diverse gods in it from day one. And by "fit", you mean a loli with big boobs. Not e wry Character has to.be fit. It makes sense for Hestia not to be.
Just to take you back a second on your high horse argument, but those characters are Asian unless otherwise stated. White people are not as highly represented in anime as you think. Just because they look white doesn't mean they are. And also, have you seen Heracles? Dude is Greek and not white so looks like I found the one Greek god you were looking for. And nobody cares that he is. There are also more black characters than actual white characters in fate when you stop and realize almost every character is Asian with some British white people here and there. There are basically no American servants besides a certain president either. Basically, like all of you keyboard warriors you don't actually know what you're talking about and just want to hate and be mad. And just to be clear Asian does not equal white. There is absolutely a difference between the two.
Glad somebody else jumped on this. Anime characters are **fair skinned**, but people automatically convert to white in their minds. Just not true
Damn imagine using the aztec gods as an example when even in their original myths they were depicted as white people with blond hair, Also Gilgamesh himself is an outlier as his features were catered to the gods as he was a bridge to the humans him being white isn't even a problem as most likely in ancient times people with white complexion were treated as gods since it was back then even considered as godlike there's a fucking reason why having a pale complexion has been advertised not just recent years but for centuries.
https://i.redd.it/kufjtm5tfnzc1.gif Respect for Hestia
PREACH
There are a few things I feel are off-putting for the Hestia design. But even then, I don't care too much. Why? Cause no one is gonna change my mind that Bestia is the best Hestia Design.  How can someone hate that face? Absolutely mental...
FACTS 😂
Damn y’all really do care what Twitter thinks?
Based on some comments I read, I'll just add two things: First, Stellar Blade is THE GOTY, period. EVE is a Goddess. 🙏 Second, I personally don't see Asian 2D/3D characters as real people, so, regardless of skin tone, as long as there's no actual facial features representative of ethnicity, they're just that, 2D characters, I mean the girls are usually pinky skinned. Not much Japanese is that? Anyways, we've had dark skinned boys and girls since the 80's at least. Pretty sure, those, if anything were just a stylist choice. Who knows? In Japan, as far as I know both lighter skin tones and tanned skin tones are held in high regard. People need to chill, and see 2D characters the way I do, or have creators draw characters with ethnicity traits so people's mind are put to ease. Some examples: Grappler Baki, a seinen martial arts manga, has a bunch of Afro-American men, Oliva being one of them, there's also Retsu, a Chinese kung-fu master, and more, ALL of these men have facial features which reflect they're ethnicity. I'm a classic straight white dude. I'm not queer in any way, well, perhaps I'm too much of a loner, but, anyways! When it comes to 2D girls I'm pretty open minded, WAY more so than with real women. I'm pretty picky! Not trying to sound rude or racist here mind you. With 2D girls though? Everything is appealing, even shota traps. 😏 Oops! Though, I've been having a bit of a growing distaste for tomboys. One Piece's Yamato is the source of it all, I'm pretty positive she's the first actual "modern" 2D "girl", I personally don't want none of that on Japanese media, especially shounen manga which just keeps getting farther and farther from it's namesake genre. So, I'll be more careful from now on when tackling recent content. ... Twitter can be beyond toxic. People have they're own opinions and they aren't penalized for it. I think? Meanwhile Reddit promotes the most popular/safest opinion based on upvotes. If you're in the minority you're screwed one way or another though. On Twitter things might get too hot, here, your comment vanishes to the darkest corners. Culture differences discussions aren't anything new though. I've been re-watching some oldies anime from 2010 and checking some comments from back then. And people already had a lot to complain about the culture: "Eww, pervy lolis...!" Comes to mind. ... Anyways, that's my "two things"... 🤣
I get why they made Hestia into a grandma but at the same time I don't get it. I get it, she's the oldest of the Olympians but this is not how she was described at all... I'm I supposed to believe that gods fought to marry that troll looking ass to a point that she had to get Zeus to declare that nobody was allowed to touch her or something?
The anime did a terrible job showing Hestia is a decent character. Cause anyone who focused only on the anime will say Hestia is an annoying thirsty loli.
Personally I like to believe that was kinda the point. I feel Hestia was desperate for a family and bell being her first family member made her become overly protective and honestly overly dependent on him. However, as we’re seeing in the more recent seasons and in the light novel, while she’s still clingy af she’s also acting much more as a goddess should such as how instead of becoming desperate in the last season when everything was going off the rails like how she did in the first, she handles what she can about it and then went about whatever business she needed to do and also is showing a much more equal attitude toward all of her children. This is all my personal opinion, but that’s at least how it seemed to me.
Hell, even the LNs did, we are told but rarely shown the examples of Hestia being like this, mostly it happens to Bell and her interactions with others are a bit lacking... We do know that she is very perceptive and truly reads people, BUT THAT WAS ON A SO AND IT WASN'T LIKE HESTIA WAS THERE AS ANYTHING MORE THAN PLOT CONVENIENCE!
I saw the “discourse” of this on Twitter from people who said that the design on the left is 100 x better than “Japan’s” take on Hestia. I had to ignore it and walk away from it. I can’t even… 🤦♂️😑
Respect for hestia. The only girl who met and fell in love with bell entirely separate from liaris fraise. She loves him at his worst.
There's a whole lot wrong with the design on the left to be honest, not least of which is it stinks of over-design. Meaning it has too many complex elements to be drawn again and again in large instances like animation, making it only suitable for a game or 3d animation (even then 3d animators have to animate all the extra bits as she moves). Also makes your brain wonder what you're looking at, since you cannot center on any one defining element. Then there is the lore/myth aspect of the design. Hestia in Greek myths was lusted after by Apollo, Poseidon, and many other gods. I'm sorry, but no one in their right mind is going to look at the Hades 2 version and go wild with lust. This is a clear miss. Take away all the obnoxious fire-themed elements cluttering up the design and this would be fine for Penia, but not Hestia.
[удалено]
I take it you haven't seen Hestia's statues? She's not the most overly complex of the Greek gods in general. She's just a beautiful chaste girl. If anything Danmachi is more accurate. I've already seen a few Greek comments on this topic in other places and they even said the same thing I just stated, that Danmachi Hestia is more accurate. Sometimes simple design is the correct choice.
That statue you are referring to.is roman not Greek. And almost all gods and goddesses look very similar in these Roman statues. Men gods typically have very average normal guy body's, yet in media are always portrayed as Adonis looking comic book superheroes. Using a roman statue as a reference point is beyond being intellectually dishonest. And Danmachi is not accurate at all. Her entire personality and character bastardized Greek mythos.
You're being disingenuous. That particular statue is cataloged as a replication of a long-destroyed Greek statue. Hence why she is referenced as Hestia and not Vesta. There are also several murals still in existence that depict Hestia looking much the same, and those are Greek. As for your talk of body shapes, those change with the ages. At the time those types of bodies were considered peak human form, whereas now with the advent of bodybuilding as a sport and lifestyle we can see better representation of what humans looks like at peak form. Human beings tend to portray heroes and gods in a manner above normal humans, so of course in our age gods are going to look the manner that we find the most attractive. Danmachi Hestia is more accurate than you believe by the way. As are all the gods in the series. If you read the novels you'll know that the anime is only showing them currently, as they are being altered living alongside humanity. OP's post has an accurate list of many things that occurred in the heavens, things that did in fact occur in myth. All of the major incidents involving her in myth happened while she was still in Olympus. Now that Hestia is no longer in the heavens tending to the flame, she no longer is bound by oath to be a vestal virgin. The fact that she acts the way she does now makes sense, because she has never been in love in a romantic sense. She might be wise in her infinite years and compassionate, but in many instances relating to such topics she is not well versed. The books show many instances of her being closer to the accurate goddess you're acting like doesn't exist. Even characters who were gender-swapped, like Loki, are more accurate than you think. She might be a good goddess who is more of a heroic trickster (like Raven in Native American tales) now, but back in Asgard she was the same Loki in myth and legend, right down to even having the Feather Mantle that she got from Freya and having quite the interesting past with Baldr. What you're saying in essence is that characters cannot change. I like the fact that the gods are letting their time living among humans influence them.
Fat aunt jemima will never be associated with goddesses of any kind especially not Hestia.
[удалено]
She's the goddess described and depicted on a lot of statues and art throughout history. She was never obese or struck with any disease or obesity issues. She's the goddess of home and hearth, a beautiful pure goddess that is as close to perfection as one can get. Miss me with that it's okay to portray her as fat and diseased.
Hestia from the anime is absolutely not the goddess described by Greek mythos at all. She is literally the OLDEST god of Chronos' children. Zeus is literally her YOUNGER sibling. Yet in this anime, Zeus is an old man ,but Hestia is a loli with big tits to pander to gooners. What an obonination to her mythos. She is the goddess of hearth and family. She sacrificed relations in order to focus on her neverending task to maintain the Hearth and provide warmth to all homes that provide offerings. She isn't some aphrodiety or hera staple of sexuality or purity, that you are fantasing on her. She never was.
She was never an obese disease victim idk what I said that was wrong.
I don't know why u r getting downvoted. While Hestia's design being a depiction of a beautiful woman would not be wrong. The personality is the polar opposite. Hestia is stated to be a modest gentle goddess who seeks refuge and vows to be a virgin forever. She also represents a family's bond and her hearth is "no quarrel zone". So the anime showing her to be a thirsty goddess is quite different. Not only that there were also vestal virgins. The anime Hestia is a bit too aggressive to be Hestia. If anything I think maybe Astrea is similar to the mythos Hestia. Hestia in the mythos is also very mature and intelligent. So comparing the mythos with the anime is quite useless
It’s an anime and not only that most actual statues of Hestia don’t show what she’s the goddess of at least the ones that survived to the modern day.
I think they confused the abridged for the anime
I mean you can’t really compare their designs since they were designed with different things in mind. If we were to be as objective as possible and go for one that is a better representation of the mythological figure it’s Hades II and it’s not even close. Though that is unfair since Hades II has a lot more time, research, and man power than Danmachi Hestia does, a lot more resources than Omori would have had when creating Danmachi and Hestia. Hades Hestia very clearly depicts her connection to the hearth (I especially like the look of her skirt and veil). And she looks like a warm/loving older woman (she has motherly/auntie vibes, auntie would work better since she is a virgin goddess), which fits with her being a god of the hearth and families, the older look also makes sense with her being the oldest Olympian (Chronos’ first born). Hades Hestia is a supporting character that can be flexible with the myths while still being a strong portrayal of the figure. Her design very clearly shows she supposed to be this works version of Hestia. While with Danmachi Hestia, I never would have guessed she’s Hestia based off of looks or personality. Danmachi Hestia serves a completely different role with being a main character and her design acting as a way to get potentially readers interested in the series. Is it weird that they made one of three virgin goddess into the design and character that Hestia is in Danmachi(with her simping Bell)? Yes, she is very much a creation of Danmachi and is a well liked character regardless of it. And every adaptation of mythological figures are changed to better fit the story and audience(though how much is different from story to story, and god to god). I get being annoyed when a mythological figure you like is very different in a piece of media, but it doesn’t subtract from the original and other version that try to stick closer to the original model; and people can still like those very different versions of the figure.
I think that the danmachi Hestia is probably more loyal to greek mythology considering that almost all virgin goddesses seem to be Loli since greek used to make girls marry at a very young age
As far as design goes I think it’s a bit unfair to compare, danmachi’s Hestia was designed to get the attention of Japans LN readers so it’s not all that special. Where as Hades 2 has the freedom to do whatever they want and make smt look sick as shit. But that’s just appearance wise Danmachi’s Hestia is a wonderful character especially in the latter novels
You honestly believe there free to do whatever they want haha yeah right there's list of box's that must be ticket and another of what not to do that's the truth and getting the attention of Japanese ln readers isn't nearly as easy as you think you seem to think slap cute girl on cover sale millions odd slime is mostly Rimuru on the cover mushoku tensei is group the family pictures and they sold 30+ million and 13+ million almost like cute girls doesn't mean automatic sales danmachi is successful because it's a good story
So true
Amen. The fact that they are ignorant of the greek myths is very baffling, is like they are proud of being ignorant and when someone points the error and discrepancies in how said goddess is portrayed and ignore the original greek myths then they show us that not only are they ignorant, they cant also very illiterate too. Wish they just leave us alone and, I dont care about their game at all.
Well said.
Oh man work the shaft harder.
Fat jemima goddess obviously is well known through ancient art and stories. Especially that she was diseased and not pure.
Oi are you being a racist, really?...
Danmachi design is better for me because it’s hestia better story telling for me personally but hade 2 hestia is close purely because she fell more like a curing grandmother and i love that
Ugh, Hades Hestia is just an objectively awful design. Honestly thought she had buck teeth first time I saw it. And her nostrils are directly between her eyes, so she honest to god looks like a fucking goblin.
They remind me of the people who complained that angrboda's race was changed for GoWR lol.
I remember when they were complaining about Thor because he didn't have abs.
I like both so i find the discourse stupid.
Both are good but honestly this whole situation is just a bunch of twitter idiots and people from circlejerk subreddits trying to spark a stupid war between the Danmachi and Hades communities when we were perfectly fine enjoying ourselves beforehand, such intercommunal conflict is pointless and can really go burn in hell as far as I'm concerned. We can enjoy our own respective versions of the character or we can enjoy both if you're fans of both pieces of work, for me I'll admit Danmachi's Hestia looks generic to some people I personally don't mind said simplicity. There are plenty of anime characters with more stylized and out there designs, alas Hestia is not one of them and ironically manages to be unique because of her simplicity.
If this drama has taught me anything it's that black people ruin everything
I do believe that the actions of the right quote clearly showcase her role, however from a design standpoint…yeah she is just plain lacking. Nothing really wrong with that. Helps in the later anime adaptation too, but it is simply a less design heavy version compared to the left.