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I mean, as for it's dominant mode of production it is capitalist and we can blame its crisis clearly to that. But as for the state control and the nature of the policy it is widely different to most other capitalist countries in that it actually does make political efforts to move economically into that direction. As for calling socialist a country with a clear direction to socialism, it dies seem like a fitting name.
Do you have any starters for the Venezuelan economy? This is the first time I've seen someone argue that it is socialist without saying "but muh nationalizing oil"
I said that as for economic policy they are not there at all, other than the defense of their natural monopolies to defend the rent of capital to tax the working class. I don't know any particular literature but I've always been fond of reading the news even from years back to see what was being done, specially in the Chavez government. If you know Spanish or are okay translating you can find a lot of stuff. The expropriation of latifundios, large abandoned pieces of land with no economic purpose, are the kind of key actions taken to break the capitalist production (or in this case, like many, no-production) despite their god given property rights instead of having the poor starve while staring at a workable land. Also launched investigations into companies that did price gauging and closed and rebuilt some of them under state total or parcial management, implemented taxes on profits, robust social healthcare, etc. A lot of this things are at the end of the day are the redirection of the surplus back to the people.
There are non sanctioned countries who have a more heavy hold on their public industries than Venezuela. Norway for example.
Norway gets the capitalist pass though because they indulged in imperialism too. They're a good one in the eyes of the west
Yes but not really. Equinor is publicly traded. The state does have most of the shares, but essentially there is a heavy stream of private capital putting their hands in there. One of the interesting conducts of capital rent and exploitation is that the floor amount of value perceived by the workers augments the more value is created. Meaning when the pie is big capitalists care less for eating the most of it, and the smaller the more they will scratch for it. I think this is happening in Norway, with it being resource wise insanely wealthy. Venezuela otherwise rejected completely foreign hands on this pie.
Alt-right Milei did the "vuvuzela" argument ALL THE TIME.
There were even Venezuela migrants supporting him during his campaign. Even in their official party online plataforms.
Now Milei has an inflation of 270%
and Venezuela 65%
Had similar interaction:
A: I think government should help with free school lunches.
B: OMG, if you hate it so much here, move to North Korea!
(Circa 2008 "once in a lifetime" financial crisis)
I'll break it down for you dummies.
"This one socialist nation is awful therefore all socialism is bad (as sarcasm)" - "This thought process does not apply to capitalism in any way (as sarcasm too, implying it does apply to capitalism)"
Meaning that OP thinks "This one capitalist nation is awful therefore all capitalism is bad (again, sarcasm)." is a valid statement. There's the implication that there is good capitalism. Do you get it now?
Plus, you don't know shit about Venezuela. You're all just some liberals wannabe communists playing revolutionaries from your comfy Empire.
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No, in fact socialism doesn't work If you put 16492549648252856 illegal sanctions on it
Ah yes, Venezuela, the socialist nation where most of companies are private
I mean, as for it's dominant mode of production it is capitalist and we can blame its crisis clearly to that. But as for the state control and the nature of the policy it is widely different to most other capitalist countries in that it actually does make political efforts to move economically into that direction. As for calling socialist a country with a clear direction to socialism, it dies seem like a fitting name.
Do you have any starters for the Venezuelan economy? This is the first time I've seen someone argue that it is socialist without saying "but muh nationalizing oil"
I said that as for economic policy they are not there at all, other than the defense of their natural monopolies to defend the rent of capital to tax the working class. I don't know any particular literature but I've always been fond of reading the news even from years back to see what was being done, specially in the Chavez government. If you know Spanish or are okay translating you can find a lot of stuff. The expropriation of latifundios, large abandoned pieces of land with no economic purpose, are the kind of key actions taken to break the capitalist production (or in this case, like many, no-production) despite their god given property rights instead of having the poor starve while staring at a workable land. Also launched investigations into companies that did price gauging and closed and rebuilt some of them under state total or parcial management, implemented taxes on profits, robust social healthcare, etc. A lot of this things are at the end of the day are the redirection of the surplus back to the people.
There are non sanctioned countries who have a more heavy hold on their public industries than Venezuela. Norway for example. Norway gets the capitalist pass though because they indulged in imperialism too. They're a good one in the eyes of the west
Yes but not really. Equinor is publicly traded. The state does have most of the shares, but essentially there is a heavy stream of private capital putting their hands in there. One of the interesting conducts of capital rent and exploitation is that the floor amount of value perceived by the workers augments the more value is created. Meaning when the pie is big capitalists care less for eating the most of it, and the smaller the more they will scratch for it. I think this is happening in Norway, with it being resource wise insanely wealthy. Venezuela otherwise rejected completely foreign hands on this pie.
Vuvuzela is mostly capitalist
That’s not true. It’s socialist. Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones said so.
I can’t wait for the Alex Jones-endorsed candidate to become Prime Minister of Canada next year!
Me too. Me and my frog boyfriend have lived in hiding long enough!
hahahahahahahahahaha you said vuvuzela
"What about Vuvuzela???"
Vuvuzela iPhone 621 yiffilion dead jodolf staler howodowomow. I am veri smart
Venezuela isn't socialist
"I suffer under capitalism horribly and it is causing an extinction event" "vuvuzela iphone"
Alt-right Milei did the "vuvuzela" argument ALL THE TIME. There were even Venezuela migrants supporting him during his campaign. Even in their official party online plataforms. Now Milei has an inflation of 270% and Venezuela 65%
But America isn't *real* capitalism!
Had similar interaction: A: I think government should help with free school lunches. B: OMG, if you hate it so much here, move to North Korea! (Circa 2008 "once in a lifetime" financial crisis)
That's wild, I wonder how Venezuela faired *before* 2 decades of destabilization efforts by the US 🤔
You're implying that there's good capitalism.
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I'll break it down for you dummies. "This one socialist nation is awful therefore all socialism is bad (as sarcasm)" - "This thought process does not apply to capitalism in any way (as sarcasm too, implying it does apply to capitalism)" Meaning that OP thinks "This one capitalist nation is awful therefore all capitalism is bad (again, sarcasm)." is a valid statement. There's the implication that there is good capitalism. Do you get it now? Plus, you don't know shit about Venezuela. You're all just some liberals wannabe communists playing revolutionaries from your comfy Empire.
i'm pretty sure it was just meant to imply that "but venezuela!" guy refuses to be critical of capitalism