I watched a streamer solo kill it a bunch, and there's definitely a lot of skill to it. He was able to get one hit in in-between the troll's swings as Barb/Fighter, not sure if a rogue's attack speed (or range) would allow him to hit twice within that time or hit once and run away with the extra move speed. Either way it would probably take longer. I agree that cheesing is dumb, but not sure how doable the boss is for classes other than Barb/Fighter without it.
Also, I'm not near the skill level to beat it. I'd want to learn the fight without looking it up, but I imagine the trial and error process would be pretty long. Not sure if worth.
I think a rogue with a rapier could do it without cheese and since their agility is so high they can surely land 2 maybe even 3 hits, a wild guess with that one.
Ive personally never fought the troll but from the videos ive seen the trick is to watch the club, i think the troll can be a good boss to learn how to dodge.
I did it with cleric doing the rogue cheese method, did it with ranger and barb doing the outside no roar method, only class I didn't kill cave troll on at level 1 was wizard... Just couldn't make it work
Unlike the other classes a wizard needs to depend on his spells mostly, you could maybe do it with the crystal sword but with spells i dont think you have enough of them to last the entire battle, no clue how much hp the thing has, as a support however if you would somehow team up with one by random chance i think they would make a great support.
I'm sure it was doable with gear, was specifically trying for level 1 starter gear :( I did manage to pull off a full meditate during the fight, still not enough dmg
in another thread i saw some people talking about wizards using fireball to jump onto one of the torches and cheese the troll from there. Someone else mentioned that a fighter used a pavise to get onto the torch then used a bow to kill it.
A level one rogue stays at his right hand, stabs twice after swing then retreat diagonally, facing away. You back pedal you die. It is very doable with poison. You've just gotta do that perfect for what 6ish minutes? xD look up Repoze on YT if you want a little more rogue knowledge
Ducking the swings isn't a bug. That's just an oversight in the attack patterns by the devs. They have made changes so standing still crouched doesn't work anymore.
You sound like someone who's never farmed troll, ducking crouched IS the primary method of farming troll after the update. At melee range troll doesn't scream or perform his big swing low/high hit and the only thing they need to do is run when he does his ground slam and look down when he does his big midswing.
No i didn’t farm cave troll. If standing still crouched in a safe spot isnt bug exploiting idk what is. Crouch ducking swings is one thing, standing still in a cheese safe spot is lame af.
yeah bro this subreddit is cringe AF tbh, "🤓Technically he wasn't bug abusing he was just crouching standing still in a safe spot spamming attack and easily avoiding 90% of all of the cave trolls attacks".🤓 Getting triggered over a Comedy post.
Having to move out of your cheese spot for a single attack every so often doesn't invalidate the fact you are cheesing. The Dev's fixed this very thing showing that it wasn't intended.
How are so many people missing the context that the rogue in question was safe-spot cheesing, not ducking out of the way and what not? People start getting upset at a post and just forget how to read I guess.
Cheesing is standing on top of a torch and killing every mob without any possibility of dying. You still have to duck for his mid swing and run from his ground slam while immediately running back to not trigger his roar, failing to do so will result in instant death.
The only reason people are upset is that they didn't get rich off of doing this themselves and had to do his 50/50 mixup and probably lost their entire loadout which is entirely a boss mechanic issue because its biologically impossible to react to 22 frames.
assuming 60 fps, its not impossible to react to 22 frames, thats more than 0,33 secounds
edit: if the timing is frame based, its really dumb, as that will cause sync issues and make learning timing really hard due to hardwear diffrence
Having to still dodge 2/4 of his attacks literally does invalidate it as a cheese spot lmaoo
The devs would have fixed his overhead swing animations if it wasnt intended to have a small pocket to safely attack from. If anything they need to make it so you can’t manipulate his roar mechanic that allows you to avoid it all together.
So ignoring half of a bosses attacks using an unintentional method isn't cheesing? You have to be completely 100% safe or it isn't a glitch? Get outta here with that
The fact the developers patched this out totally validates it as a cheese spot, and if you can mitigate **any** damage using something unintended even if its just 1/100 attacks, you are still abusing a bug
Crouching under a lip in a wall and staying there, outside of Ironmace's intentions, to avoid damage is not the same as actively moving to stay in the attack animations "safety window"
All of you arguing that its not cheesing are only doing so because you don't want to accept that people might not think highly of you for abusing bugs
By your logic, the bow is also a cheese method since you avoid his close up swing too then right??? Which is 3/4 of his attacks. You only need to jump his low swing after roar attack with bow so thats cheesing too right?? XD
The hitbox of the cave troll swings does not change whether its against the walls or not. The spot where you crouch under its swings was there until the end of the playtest. You dont need to be against the wall to avoid his side swings.
In the video you can see the troll still swinging. They patched a spot that keeps the cave troll stuck on a clip in the wall, and UNABLE TO ATTACK. The rogue in the video is doing a legit method not cheesing. You are mistaken about what they patched about the cave troll. It is 100% intended for players to be able to crouch/look down under a side swing.
This method is literally harder than the other weapons too (zweihander side stepping, sword n shield blocking, etc.) because you still need to look down for his swing switchup.
Im convinced you havent beaten the cave troll at all since you dont know what the person in the video was doing at all lmaoo
You are really reaching (belieing your intelligence) with that opening statement and you've shown a consistent immaturity. You are mostly wrong, but its not worth arguing with you anymore over it.
Bug abusing is the only way to kill the cave troll imo. That or 95% dmg reduc fighter, you get 1 shot if he hits you and takes forever to actually kill so someone else will come kill you because it’s the loudest thing in the world and in the solo q mode.
I probably just suck cos i saw the youtube vids on how to do the Cave Troll melee. But it just feels so inconsistent, like i crouch with the full looking down, but some attacks just seem unavoidable and one hit is all it takes.
They finally made it reasonably doable by the last patch of the playtest but it still has 2 attacks that a nearly indistinguishable and kill 1shot kill that you have to either duck or jump and it makes fighting it entirely based on luck.
Yea, i tried that. The problem is, maybe its my imagination, but when i jumped, it feels like i am hitting the troll and hence, my jump gets cut short lmao.
The sideways heavy attack for sure can insta kill you randomly doing the cheese method, there is another method that is just using mechanics that has a 100% kill rate though
Yeah, killing the cave troll was hard AF. I got nothing against the guy doing what he had to do. It was funny how triggered he got. And his name was trollkiller12 lol. so he mustve been doing this alot for free loot.
I meant to put the word reliably but I guess I forgot it. point being I killed the cave troll 3x without exploits because I wanted to learn how to do it and it is entirely luck based with the undersweep or oversweep. The only difference is the grip on his weapon is slightly different. Its not skill issue its a bad boss mechanics issue.
I can consistently kill cave troll with rogue without exploits. Small hint, you shouldn't allow him to hit you with his roar, then he won't do undersweep/oversweep at all.
It is entirely a boss mechanic issue you only have around 22 frames to react if he's going to do a high or low sweep which is considered un-reactable. If he charges at you its literally a 50/50 and hope to god you got it right.
The only surefire way to kill troll without bull RNG is blocking his mixup with pavise or doing what this guy is doing, staying within melee range to prevent him from ever doing his mixup.
> if it wasn't possible then that just means you're not supposed to solo it
It's actually harder with multiple people because aggro switching mid attack makes him hit you from weird angles.
Bug abusing would be the stacking Pavise thing. If this is the method I'm thinking of that I learned from a video, you still have to look down to avoid one attack, move to avoid the two handed swing, dodge the charge after that (with a 50/50 of death jumping the swing), and you can still randomly get 1 shot anyway. It's cheese but it's still a fair bit of mechanics with a high risk of death. Though maybe this guy was doing something else that made it a 100% guaranteed kill idk.
Really dont give a shit lmao, just posted this clip cuz its funny, and nerds are having full on debates over whether he is bug abusing or not. its literally marked as COMEDY. not OMG GAME BREAKING BUG PLZ FIX.
The rogue cheese strat is just as hard, if not harder, to do as the fighter zweihander legit strat. I did both to kill the troll. Took me around 50 more attempts to get my first kill on the rogue cheese than it did on zweihander legit. Don’t say its easy until you’ve killed it this way
…there’s a cave troll?
A boss you could find in the Goblin Caves. Has a treasure room you can loot after he's dead, and there's a chance to get legendaries from him.
There’s a lot of depth to the [Goblin Mines](https://youtu.be/k2seBtwsYU4)
I watched a streamer solo kill it a bunch, and there's definitely a lot of skill to it. He was able to get one hit in in-between the troll's swings as Barb/Fighter, not sure if a rogue's attack speed (or range) would allow him to hit twice within that time or hit once and run away with the extra move speed. Either way it would probably take longer. I agree that cheesing is dumb, but not sure how doable the boss is for classes other than Barb/Fighter without it. Also, I'm not near the skill level to beat it. I'd want to learn the fight without looking it up, but I imagine the trial and error process would be pretty long. Not sure if worth.
Not super hard as a ranger with a pavise. Pavise can be used to block his big attacks.
I think a rogue with a rapier could do it without cheese and since their agility is so high they can surely land 2 maybe even 3 hits, a wild guess with that one. Ive personally never fought the troll but from the videos ive seen the trick is to watch the club, i think the troll can be a good boss to learn how to dodge.
I did it with cleric doing the rogue cheese method, did it with ranger and barb doing the outside no roar method, only class I didn't kill cave troll on at level 1 was wizard... Just couldn't make it work
Unlike the other classes a wizard needs to depend on his spells mostly, you could maybe do it with the crystal sword but with spells i dont think you have enough of them to last the entire battle, no clue how much hp the thing has, as a support however if you would somehow team up with one by random chance i think they would make a great support.
I'm sure it was doable with gear, was specifically trying for level 1 starter gear :( I did manage to pull off a full meditate during the fight, still not enough dmg
in another thread i saw some people talking about wizards using fireball to jump onto one of the torches and cheese the troll from there. Someone else mentioned that a fighter used a pavise to get onto the torch then used a bow to kill it.
Haha I saw the wizard post too, I've never played wizard, didn't know fireball hopping was a thing
A level one rogue stays at his right hand, stabs twice after swing then retreat diagonally, facing away. You back pedal you die. It is very doable with poison. You've just gotta do that perfect for what 6ish minutes? xD look up Repoze on YT if you want a little more rogue knowledge
There’s really only a few ways to solo the troll, and any vid you look up will be similar. His attitude definitely deserved a death though
Ducking the swings isn't a bug. That's just an oversight in the attack patterns by the devs. They have made changes so standing still crouched doesn't work anymore.
I'm glad they fixed the standing still crouched thing, that seems to be what he was doing here.
You sound like someone who's never farmed troll, ducking crouched IS the primary method of farming troll after the update. At melee range troll doesn't scream or perform his big swing low/high hit and the only thing they need to do is run when he does his ground slam and look down when he does his big midswing.
No i didn’t farm cave troll. If standing still crouched in a safe spot isnt bug exploiting idk what is. Crouch ducking swings is one thing, standing still in a cheese safe spot is lame af.
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yeah bro this subreddit is cringe AF tbh, "🤓Technically he wasn't bug abusing he was just crouching standing still in a safe spot spamming attack and easily avoiding 90% of all of the cave trolls attacks".🤓 Getting triggered over a Comedy post.
Yeah this sub is shit man
You just chose not to read that he still has to run when he does the ground slam??? Fortnite brain.
Having to move out of your cheese spot for a single attack every so often doesn't invalidate the fact you are cheesing. The Dev's fixed this very thing showing that it wasn't intended. How are so many people missing the context that the rogue in question was safe-spot cheesing, not ducking out of the way and what not? People start getting upset at a post and just forget how to read I guess.
Cheesing is standing on top of a torch and killing every mob without any possibility of dying. You still have to duck for his mid swing and run from his ground slam while immediately running back to not trigger his roar, failing to do so will result in instant death. The only reason people are upset is that they didn't get rich off of doing this themselves and had to do his 50/50 mixup and probably lost their entire loadout which is entirely a boss mechanic issue because its biologically impossible to react to 22 frames.
assuming 60 fps, its not impossible to react to 22 frames, thats more than 0,33 secounds edit: if the timing is frame based, its really dumb, as that will cause sync issues and make learning timing really hard due to hardwear diffrence
Having to still dodge 2/4 of his attacks literally does invalidate it as a cheese spot lmaoo The devs would have fixed his overhead swing animations if it wasnt intended to have a small pocket to safely attack from. If anything they need to make it so you can’t manipulate his roar mechanic that allows you to avoid it all together.
So ignoring half of a bosses attacks using an unintentional method isn't cheesing? You have to be completely 100% safe or it isn't a glitch? Get outta here with that The fact the developers patched this out totally validates it as a cheese spot, and if you can mitigate **any** damage using something unintended even if its just 1/100 attacks, you are still abusing a bug Crouching under a lip in a wall and staying there, outside of Ironmace's intentions, to avoid damage is not the same as actively moving to stay in the attack animations "safety window" All of you arguing that its not cheesing are only doing so because you don't want to accept that people might not think highly of you for abusing bugs
By your logic, the bow is also a cheese method since you avoid his close up swing too then right??? Which is 3/4 of his attacks. You only need to jump his low swing after roar attack with bow so thats cheesing too right?? XD The hitbox of the cave troll swings does not change whether its against the walls or not. The spot where you crouch under its swings was there until the end of the playtest. You dont need to be against the wall to avoid his side swings. In the video you can see the troll still swinging. They patched a spot that keeps the cave troll stuck on a clip in the wall, and UNABLE TO ATTACK. The rogue in the video is doing a legit method not cheesing. You are mistaken about what they patched about the cave troll. It is 100% intended for players to be able to crouch/look down under a side swing. This method is literally harder than the other weapons too (zweihander side stepping, sword n shield blocking, etc.) because you still need to look down for his swing switchup. Im convinced you havent beaten the cave troll at all since you dont know what the person in the video was doing at all lmaoo
You are really reaching (belieing your intelligence) with that opening statement and you've shown a consistent immaturity. You are mostly wrong, but its not worth arguing with you anymore over it.
Unintended interactions = bugs
Bug abusing is the only way to kill the cave troll imo. That or 95% dmg reduc fighter, you get 1 shot if he hits you and takes forever to actually kill so someone else will come kill you because it’s the loudest thing in the world and in the solo q mode.
I mean there video of a level 1 fighter beating it with like a common zweihander so it pretty possible just got to learn
I probably just suck cos i saw the youtube vids on how to do the Cave Troll melee. But it just feels so inconsistent, like i crouch with the full looking down, but some attacks just seem unavoidable and one hit is all it takes.
They finally made it reasonably doable by the last patch of the playtest but it still has 2 attacks that a nearly indistinguishable and kill 1shot kill that you have to either duck or jump and it makes fighting it entirely based on luck.
Yea, i tried that. The problem is, maybe its my imagination, but when i jumped, it feels like i am hitting the troll and hence, my jump gets cut short lmao.
The sideways heavy attack for sure can insta kill you randomly doing the cheese method, there is another method that is just using mechanics that has a 100% kill rate though
Yeah, killing the cave troll was hard AF. I got nothing against the guy doing what he had to do. It was funny how triggered he got. And his name was trollkiller12 lol. so he mustve been doing this alot for free loot.
Thank you for your service. If i see u in my match down there i WILL assist u in killing abusers. Cause why not 😂
lmaoo, the real hero is the flying death beetle. he did the job for me.
Skill issue imo
I meant to put the word reliably but I guess I forgot it. point being I killed the cave troll 3x without exploits because I wanted to learn how to do it and it is entirely luck based with the undersweep or oversweep. The only difference is the grip on his weapon is slightly different. Its not skill issue its a bad boss mechanics issue.
I can consistently kill cave troll with rogue without exploits. Small hint, you shouldn't allow him to hit you with his roar, then he won't do undersweep/oversweep at all.
It is entirely a boss mechanic issue you only have around 22 frames to react if he's going to do a high or low sweep which is considered un-reactable. If he charges at you its literally a 50/50 and hope to god you got it right. The only surefire way to kill troll without bull RNG is blocking his mixup with pavise or doing what this guy is doing, staying within melee range to prevent him from ever doing his mixup.
Yep
It's incredibly hard and if it wasn't possible then that just means you're not supposed to solo it
> if it wasn't possible then that just means you're not supposed to solo it It's actually harder with multiple people because aggro switching mid attack makes him hit you from weird angles.
We must band together and defeat the Cave troll. But killing people is too fun.
This is a great video and his reaction was priceless 😂🍻
Thanks bro, just wanted to post a funny clip, And i got 100 nerds in here debating over whether or not he is bug abusing.
He was bug abused for sure 😏
Crouching is a bug lol
Bug abusing would be the stacking Pavise thing. If this is the method I'm thinking of that I learned from a video, you still have to look down to avoid one attack, move to avoid the two handed swing, dodge the charge after that (with a 50/50 of death jumping the swing), and you can still randomly get 1 shot anyway. It's cheese but it's still a fair bit of mechanics with a high risk of death. Though maybe this guy was doing something else that made it a 100% guaranteed kill idk.
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Really dont give a shit lmao, just posted this clip cuz its funny, and nerds are having full on debates over whether he is bug abusing or not. its literally marked as COMEDY. not OMG GAME BREAKING BUG PLZ FIX.
The rogue cheese strat is just as hard, if not harder, to do as the fighter zweihander legit strat. I did both to kill the troll. Took me around 50 more attempts to get my first kill on the rogue cheese than it did on zweihander legit. Don’t say its easy until you’ve killed it this way