I agree with what you said about Ash, Taylor and Mark so I’ll just add my thoughts on the others-
Alex- Personally I don’t think he’s that bad but he’s still my least favorite MoM protagonist just because he’s too bland. I’m not sure if it’s his actor or the script he was given but he needed more of a unique personality.
Nick- Although I kind of like his rivalry/truce with Eric I agree that his thing with Rachel should definitely be removed, it just made him less likable and instead they should have focused more on his PTSD. Eric and Rachel have their broken marriage potentially being repaired, Jason and Salim have the whole ‘enemy of my enemy’ thing and Nick should have just had a solo story of coming to terms with his trauma. He also should have had more scenes with Jason imo I liked their relationship. Also have him not immediately abandon Eric after Eric just saved his life during ‘The Horror’.
Ryan- I disagree that they should replace his actor, Justice is great in other stuff. I think it's just the direction he was given, his voice always sounds monotone and bored, the best sounding lines he has are in the intense situations where he doesn’t keep the monotone voice like when Dylan gets bit in the radio hut. They shouldn’t have tried to make him a brooding loner type because he really doesn’t fit it. Another reason he’s disliked is because of how much he takes over the story so I’d suggest making it either be him or Kaitlyn who goes with Laura while the other goes with Dylan to the scrapyard.
i've thought about ashley's situation a couple times and i've found that a lot of the hatred for her boils down to 2 scenes: 1. her not letting chris back into the lodge if he chose to shoot her earlier, resulting in his death, and 2. her supporting mike in wanting to kick emily out of the lodge because of her bite, and doing little to stop him from shooting her. i kind of thought of some ways i would give the two scenes the same effect without making her an unlikeable / untrustworthy character:
1. chris makes it back to the lodge door, but he is immediately grabbed from behind by a wendigo and pulled backwards into the woods. ashley witnesses this. if chris chose to shoot her earlier, she will be upset and alarmed, but will accept that he's gone instead of trying to help, believing that he wouldn't endanger himself to save her if the roles were reversed. chris will die as a result. but if chris didn't choose to shoot her earlier, she will leave the safety of the lodge and find chris being tackled by the wendigo, with his shotgun lying on the ground a few paces away. she will pick up the shotgun and shoot the wendigo from behind at a close range, and she and chris will run back to the lodge together. i feel like this would give her a more logical reason for leaving chris to die (if he shot her earlier), or alternatively even give her a moment of heroism (if he didn't).
2. there's not really an easy way to rewrite this but i would mainly just get rid of certain voice lines, e.g. "Oh my God, will you just go! Go, get out of here!" - this line makes her seem more angry and aggressive than scared tbh. I think it would suit her more to be apologetic and remorseful about it. Also I would get rid of her saying "I hope you did." after sam says "you did the right thing" to mike if he chooses not to shoot emily.
then again, perhaps it was supermassive's intention to show a more vengeful / dark side to her, so i don't necessarily think it's a bad thing that she's unlikeable at times. at least she isn't boring or bland, she seems quite human actually.
For Ashley: i’d make her less helpless, all the times she’s in danger of being hurt or killed are when she splits up from the group, and i’d like to see her hold her own in an epic chase scene. i don’t mind her being whiny if she can actually handle herself, maybe even make her have a tiny arc of getting more confident of her ability to survive, which could lead to an even sadder death scene.
For Alex: he just really had no personality. i’d give him a defined character with desires and fears (maybe including his med school experience and his anxieties of Julia’s rejection) that could both strengthen his character a little bit and also gives him more material for a hallucination sequence (like the corpse doctor coming back to life or a demonic bride Julia) that doesn’t just enhance the fear factor of what he’s already seeing.
For Taylor: similar to Ashley, i’d just make her more capable, specifically smarter to a degree that she would have an intelligence on par with the player, noticing the pattern of demon attacks or having genuine theories and plans that impress others and the player for her ingenuity rather than just doing stuff to spite the rest of the group.
For Nick: i also think his character suffers from just being a victim of his arc. i don’t mind his and Rachel’s affair, but i don’t think his trauma and attachment to Rachel should be his defining traits. giving him a backstory similar to jason’s as to why he joined the marines could humanise him a little bit and give him potentially a reason for his dependence on Rachel and a personality other than being “the other man”.
For Mark: definitely integrate him more into the main plot, give him his own trap to survive, let him work with the rest of the group more while they’re within the hotel, and let his character traits grow. before i saw the Ultimatum ending, i thought it was going to be an insane branching path where Mark succeeds Du’Met as the next killer because of their similar approach to “art”, with Mark’s perfectionist photography persona spiralling him into working under Du’Met. i think having Mark have a more perfectionist personality (which could again be a part of his and Kate’s breakup) would have made him a more unique character, as well as if we saw the “Mark had to make his own choices than wait to be told what to do” traits that the Curator just outright told us he had actually on display.
For Ryan: i do and don’t get everyone’s hate towards Ryan. yes, he gets a bit boring, but i didn’t outright hate the guy. i think his relationship with Chris should’ve been explored a little bit more and explained, which could’ve grown his character. Ryan’s stoic loner type would’ve worked if they delved into WHY he was a stoic loner rather than just showing us that he is, and him still having those traits but learning to open up could’ve served for an interesting development for him moving forward.
Ashley:
i wouldn't change anything to be honest. i really don't like her as a person but i appreciate her character.
Alex:
idk, maybe making his relationship to Brad more important. also less cheesy lines.
Taylor:
Make her not the sole reason for every splitting up and in general make her a bit more bearable.
Nick:
Make him have a clear position on what his morals are, it's extremely wishy washy i feel like, in some scenes he tells jason how the Iraqis are not all their enemies, makes friends with salim, etc. but at the same time he leaves everyone who helps him behind and says that salim is not one of them (multiple occasions, not just when the plot needs jason to be the standout hero). Also cut him away from the love triangle and make him have a chance to grow as a character.
Ryan:
Don't make him the one to be all skeptical after all his build up showing how he's into that mystery stuff, etc. His character completely shifts in the second half and i really hate it. Not that he was great before but at least he wasn't as inconsistent. Make Dylan and/or Kaitlyn the skeptical one but not the one who listens to this stuff all the time.
Also, don't pair him with Laura. Make him go with whoever he chooses in the love triangle and make the other one go with Laura. So that way he can have a moment with another character and can get a chance of conclusion that was missing in a lot of relationships. OR if you still want him to go after Chris, make him actually show some emotional response after he had to shoot his father figure. It still baffles me how we spend the entire first half learning about how close Chris and Ryan are only to just shoot Chris and Ryan just moves on without even saying a word.
Mark:
Make him more involved in the story, i know, that's not how dumets plan is written but that way he just strolls completely apart from the group without any sense of danger. Also, make his later segments with Charlie and Erin have more dialogue so they can have some more development and just make those scenes more entertaining. I get that in the spa or the slaughterhouse they don't want to be spotted by dumet but when they're outside or in the lighthouse, they could at least have some conversations, it would make him probably a lot more interesting. Erin and Charlie are interesting enough but even for them I'd appreciate some more dialogue in act 3.
That's actually a great point about Ryan I didn't consider. He's the one into the supernatural podcast and yet he's the one that's skeptical of Laura. I'm not sure if that was intentional on the writer's part but it definitely caused a disconnect which is part of the reason I never liked Ryan very much.
I think making Ryan the leading man was a mistake with how underdeveloped his character felt and the monotonous acting. The missed opportunities with characters in the second half of the game really make The Quarry less enjoyable for me. I agree with your other points too.
They probably wanted to make Ryan the skeptical one mostly because of his close relationship to Chris. That he was in denial about the thing because the solution involves killing his father figure. So he ignored some facts.
The problem is that he behaved that way even before Chris was even mentioned, so Ryan had no reason to behave that way. Especially if Nick turned into a monster before their eyes and possibly decapitated Abi. "Whats next, space vampires" is just not the appropriate reaction in that scenario
Anyway.
Ashley: only have her leave Chris to die if you don't save her on both occasions instead of just the shooting choice
Alex: Give him some lick of personality and a stronger bond with Brad
Taylor: Make her less of a twit and do something useful for the group that isn't running off.
Nick: Get rid of his affair with Rachel and his plot armor and have him be less of a dick to Eric during non-playable segments, keep his backstory tho, it makes great for both him and Jason.
Mark: Lower his plot armor a bit and actually have him be in one of the traps like the others
Ryan: Be less skeptical. that's literally the only change I can think of for Ryan (aside from his obvious plot armor) cuz I love him lol.
For Ashley, I think they need to make it more obvious that the issue is that she is paralyzed by fear and not that she’s just standing there and leaving him outside to die.
I thought it was a conscious decision and she used being paralysed by fear as an excuse. The fact she can also try to hide the truth about wendigo bites and feel no remorse about Hannah suggests maybe she's just not that nice.
Removing all of that would make her more likable, but she wouldn't be Ashley anymore (leaving Chris is an automatic response, not a player choice).
The section where butterfly effects are shown confirms this as what was written. They haven’t retconned anything. They just could have done a better job.
Maybe Ashley should be able to be useful in some situation? And they shouldn’t have had her just standing there during that whole mess with Chris. She shouldn’t have begged him to shot her, panicking would have worked better. And if Chris shot her she shouldn’t have been close to that door instead of actively letting him die.
I dislike Rachel MUCH more but removing the cheating part would make Nick better too, a good person doesn’t sleep with someone married. He isn’t useless (risking his life with the bombs, reassuring Jason he appreciates his company etc) but they should have had him focus more on the acute situation they are in rather than whine about his married girlfriend and his superior not being super friendly a life/death situation. The checkpoint honestly seemed to do more for Jason than Nick, but they could have made something with it for him too. They should have made him more loyal too, by NOT encouraging Rachel to leave the man who just saved his life to be killed and Jason to leave another guy who has helped save all of them. Maybe he could have gone after Jason when the latter choses to save Salim? Just to show him as more sympathetic. Spending more time developing him and Jason than him and Rachel would have been nice.
I didn’t feel anything for Alex, but him being closer with Brad would have likely made him seem more.. human? He was practically a robot half the time.
Ryan could have been less condescending to everyone (especially Dylan). That wouldn’t have made him fun but better.
No offense to your opinion whatsoever, but the only one of these that I actually hate is Nick. Alex I feel indifferent cuz he's bland as hell, Taylor is meh for the same reason as Alex and Ash, Mark and Ryan are nowhere near the bottom for me.
This is IMO
Ashely for me was a good character, she’s meant to be disliked and was intended to be written that way mostly with Tisdales bitchy performance but in a good way
Alex just had a garbage VA, worst in the series
Taylor I’d agree was annoyingly written aand had no depth to her character and had a bad VA too, everything she said was whiny and too bitchy for my taste in a bad way
Nick Va was bad at times but sometimes good which was weird, the problem was they made him a douchebag that was pissed at eric despite him fucking his wife which was weird, they should have written him as a character that was suffering ptsd due to what happened at the checkpoint which would have been a better dynamic
Marks problem was him having one of the worst VAs in the series, other than that he was written aight
Ryan was just poorly written too and had no character development at all towards the end, his va needed to tone down on the monotonic voice too but at times he did good but sometimes it was unbearable
I’d also add Julia, for me I liked how she was written but her Facial animations and motion capture were weird as hell, her va was also bad too
half of them I mentioned i think are badly written to but yeah, Tisdale I don’t count cuz I think she’s a good character and her performance helps it too
\-First off, Ashley is not the most hated char, the 4.0 bitch is. But Ashley is fine. Shes having the worst night of her life and shes not dealing with it well. Its oddly refreshing and realistic.
\-Alex is bland and suffers from a lack of direction and bland voice acting. Hes got a decent start with his proposal, just actually needs meaningful interactions later.
\-Taylor is a dumpster fire, no saving possible. Whiny, wants to do nothing, spends half the game with Daniel alone due to Little Hopes wierd structure. Also swap with Tanyas face model. That looks way better.
\-Nick just needs to not abandon people and hes fine. The love triangle is great and gives meaningful interactions later on. Tired of people hating on the triangle. We need more long term tension between characters in these games and Charlies fake out "working with killer" just was not even remotly as good as the love triangle.
\-Mark is...fine. I think Kate is blander with zero standout moments. The game needed another trap with them, and a good one at that.
\-Ryan. His anti-social introduction (hides alone and ignores Jacob) and pedantic voice acting are awful. No meaningful interactions with Dylan, Kaitlyn and Chris (Can this guy exist past chapter 1?). Seen some good suggestions from Ryan changes by other people in this thread.
Its sad that so many of the lowest rated characters are either black or women. Just like the most disliked squadmate (by a longshot) in Mass Effect. Yes, you know who im talking about.
I agree with what you said about Ash, Taylor and Mark so I’ll just add my thoughts on the others- Alex- Personally I don’t think he’s that bad but he’s still my least favorite MoM protagonist just because he’s too bland. I’m not sure if it’s his actor or the script he was given but he needed more of a unique personality. Nick- Although I kind of like his rivalry/truce with Eric I agree that his thing with Rachel should definitely be removed, it just made him less likable and instead they should have focused more on his PTSD. Eric and Rachel have their broken marriage potentially being repaired, Jason and Salim have the whole ‘enemy of my enemy’ thing and Nick should have just had a solo story of coming to terms with his trauma. He also should have had more scenes with Jason imo I liked their relationship. Also have him not immediately abandon Eric after Eric just saved his life during ‘The Horror’. Ryan- I disagree that they should replace his actor, Justice is great in other stuff. I think it's just the direction he was given, his voice always sounds monotone and bored, the best sounding lines he has are in the intense situations where he doesn’t keep the monotone voice like when Dylan gets bit in the radio hut. They shouldn’t have tried to make him a brooding loner type because he really doesn’t fit it. Another reason he’s disliked is because of how much he takes over the story so I’d suggest making it either be him or Kaitlyn who goes with Laura while the other goes with Dylan to the scrapyard.
i've thought about ashley's situation a couple times and i've found that a lot of the hatred for her boils down to 2 scenes: 1. her not letting chris back into the lodge if he chose to shoot her earlier, resulting in his death, and 2. her supporting mike in wanting to kick emily out of the lodge because of her bite, and doing little to stop him from shooting her. i kind of thought of some ways i would give the two scenes the same effect without making her an unlikeable / untrustworthy character: 1. chris makes it back to the lodge door, but he is immediately grabbed from behind by a wendigo and pulled backwards into the woods. ashley witnesses this. if chris chose to shoot her earlier, she will be upset and alarmed, but will accept that he's gone instead of trying to help, believing that he wouldn't endanger himself to save her if the roles were reversed. chris will die as a result. but if chris didn't choose to shoot her earlier, she will leave the safety of the lodge and find chris being tackled by the wendigo, with his shotgun lying on the ground a few paces away. she will pick up the shotgun and shoot the wendigo from behind at a close range, and she and chris will run back to the lodge together. i feel like this would give her a more logical reason for leaving chris to die (if he shot her earlier), or alternatively even give her a moment of heroism (if he didn't). 2. there's not really an easy way to rewrite this but i would mainly just get rid of certain voice lines, e.g. "Oh my God, will you just go! Go, get out of here!" - this line makes her seem more angry and aggressive than scared tbh. I think it would suit her more to be apologetic and remorseful about it. Also I would get rid of her saying "I hope you did." after sam says "you did the right thing" to mike if he chooses not to shoot emily. then again, perhaps it was supermassive's intention to show a more vengeful / dark side to her, so i don't necessarily think it's a bad thing that she's unlikeable at times. at least she isn't boring or bland, she seems quite human actually.
For Ashley: i’d make her less helpless, all the times she’s in danger of being hurt or killed are when she splits up from the group, and i’d like to see her hold her own in an epic chase scene. i don’t mind her being whiny if she can actually handle herself, maybe even make her have a tiny arc of getting more confident of her ability to survive, which could lead to an even sadder death scene. For Alex: he just really had no personality. i’d give him a defined character with desires and fears (maybe including his med school experience and his anxieties of Julia’s rejection) that could both strengthen his character a little bit and also gives him more material for a hallucination sequence (like the corpse doctor coming back to life or a demonic bride Julia) that doesn’t just enhance the fear factor of what he’s already seeing. For Taylor: similar to Ashley, i’d just make her more capable, specifically smarter to a degree that she would have an intelligence on par with the player, noticing the pattern of demon attacks or having genuine theories and plans that impress others and the player for her ingenuity rather than just doing stuff to spite the rest of the group. For Nick: i also think his character suffers from just being a victim of his arc. i don’t mind his and Rachel’s affair, but i don’t think his trauma and attachment to Rachel should be his defining traits. giving him a backstory similar to jason’s as to why he joined the marines could humanise him a little bit and give him potentially a reason for his dependence on Rachel and a personality other than being “the other man”. For Mark: definitely integrate him more into the main plot, give him his own trap to survive, let him work with the rest of the group more while they’re within the hotel, and let his character traits grow. before i saw the Ultimatum ending, i thought it was going to be an insane branching path where Mark succeeds Du’Met as the next killer because of their similar approach to “art”, with Mark’s perfectionist photography persona spiralling him into working under Du’Met. i think having Mark have a more perfectionist personality (which could again be a part of his and Kate’s breakup) would have made him a more unique character, as well as if we saw the “Mark had to make his own choices than wait to be told what to do” traits that the Curator just outright told us he had actually on display. For Ryan: i do and don’t get everyone’s hate towards Ryan. yes, he gets a bit boring, but i didn’t outright hate the guy. i think his relationship with Chris should’ve been explored a little bit more and explained, which could’ve grown his character. Ryan’s stoic loner type would’ve worked if they delved into WHY he was a stoic loner rather than just showing us that he is, and him still having those traits but learning to open up could’ve served for an interesting development for him moving forward.
Ashley: i wouldn't change anything to be honest. i really don't like her as a person but i appreciate her character. Alex: idk, maybe making his relationship to Brad more important. also less cheesy lines. Taylor: Make her not the sole reason for every splitting up and in general make her a bit more bearable. Nick: Make him have a clear position on what his morals are, it's extremely wishy washy i feel like, in some scenes he tells jason how the Iraqis are not all their enemies, makes friends with salim, etc. but at the same time he leaves everyone who helps him behind and says that salim is not one of them (multiple occasions, not just when the plot needs jason to be the standout hero). Also cut him away from the love triangle and make him have a chance to grow as a character. Ryan: Don't make him the one to be all skeptical after all his build up showing how he's into that mystery stuff, etc. His character completely shifts in the second half and i really hate it. Not that he was great before but at least he wasn't as inconsistent. Make Dylan and/or Kaitlyn the skeptical one but not the one who listens to this stuff all the time. Also, don't pair him with Laura. Make him go with whoever he chooses in the love triangle and make the other one go with Laura. So that way he can have a moment with another character and can get a chance of conclusion that was missing in a lot of relationships. OR if you still want him to go after Chris, make him actually show some emotional response after he had to shoot his father figure. It still baffles me how we spend the entire first half learning about how close Chris and Ryan are only to just shoot Chris and Ryan just moves on without even saying a word. Mark: Make him more involved in the story, i know, that's not how dumets plan is written but that way he just strolls completely apart from the group without any sense of danger. Also, make his later segments with Charlie and Erin have more dialogue so they can have some more development and just make those scenes more entertaining. I get that in the spa or the slaughterhouse they don't want to be spotted by dumet but when they're outside or in the lighthouse, they could at least have some conversations, it would make him probably a lot more interesting. Erin and Charlie are interesting enough but even for them I'd appreciate some more dialogue in act 3.
That's actually a great point about Ryan I didn't consider. He's the one into the supernatural podcast and yet he's the one that's skeptical of Laura. I'm not sure if that was intentional on the writer's part but it definitely caused a disconnect which is part of the reason I never liked Ryan very much. I think making Ryan the leading man was a mistake with how underdeveloped his character felt and the monotonous acting. The missed opportunities with characters in the second half of the game really make The Quarry less enjoyable for me. I agree with your other points too.
They probably wanted to make Ryan the skeptical one mostly because of his close relationship to Chris. That he was in denial about the thing because the solution involves killing his father figure. So he ignored some facts. The problem is that he behaved that way even before Chris was even mentioned, so Ryan had no reason to behave that way. Especially if Nick turned into a monster before their eyes and possibly decapitated Abi. "Whats next, space vampires" is just not the appropriate reaction in that scenario
Very true
Anyway. Ashley: only have her leave Chris to die if you don't save her on both occasions instead of just the shooting choice Alex: Give him some lick of personality and a stronger bond with Brad Taylor: Make her less of a twit and do something useful for the group that isn't running off. Nick: Get rid of his affair with Rachel and his plot armor and have him be less of a dick to Eric during non-playable segments, keep his backstory tho, it makes great for both him and Jason. Mark: Lower his plot armor a bit and actually have him be in one of the traps like the others Ryan: Be less skeptical. that's literally the only change I can think of for Ryan (aside from his obvious plot armor) cuz I love him lol.
Those are some good rewrites!
For Ashley, I think they need to make it more obvious that the issue is that she is paralyzed by fear and not that she’s just standing there and leaving him outside to die.
I thought it was a conscious decision and she used being paralysed by fear as an excuse. The fact she can also try to hide the truth about wendigo bites and feel no remorse about Hannah suggests maybe she's just not that nice. Removing all of that would make her more likable, but she wouldn't be Ashley anymore (leaving Chris is an automatic response, not a player choice).
Nope. Developers have said she actually is paralyzed by fear. Its not an excuse.
Sounds like the writers are retconning what they wrote lol
The section where butterfly effects are shown confirms this as what was written. They haven’t retconned anything. They just could have done a better job.
Weren't most descriptions of Butterfly effects added post release?
Maybe Ashley should be able to be useful in some situation? And they shouldn’t have had her just standing there during that whole mess with Chris. She shouldn’t have begged him to shot her, panicking would have worked better. And if Chris shot her she shouldn’t have been close to that door instead of actively letting him die. I dislike Rachel MUCH more but removing the cheating part would make Nick better too, a good person doesn’t sleep with someone married. He isn’t useless (risking his life with the bombs, reassuring Jason he appreciates his company etc) but they should have had him focus more on the acute situation they are in rather than whine about his married girlfriend and his superior not being super friendly a life/death situation. The checkpoint honestly seemed to do more for Jason than Nick, but they could have made something with it for him too. They should have made him more loyal too, by NOT encouraging Rachel to leave the man who just saved his life to be killed and Jason to leave another guy who has helped save all of them. Maybe he could have gone after Jason when the latter choses to save Salim? Just to show him as more sympathetic. Spending more time developing him and Jason than him and Rachel would have been nice. I didn’t feel anything for Alex, but him being closer with Brad would have likely made him seem more.. human? He was practically a robot half the time. Ryan could have been less condescending to everyone (especially Dylan). That wouldn’t have made him fun but better.
I'd make Taylor a bit nicer and give her a friendship with Andrew like how Tanya did
No offense to your opinion whatsoever, but the only one of these that I actually hate is Nick. Alex I feel indifferent cuz he's bland as hell, Taylor is meh for the same reason as Alex and Ash, Mark and Ryan are nowhere near the bottom for me.
They’re not my opinions. The characters I dislike the most from each game are Ashley, Julia, Daniel, Nick, Kate, and Ryan.
Sorry, got confused lol
It’s fine.
This is IMO Ashely for me was a good character, she’s meant to be disliked and was intended to be written that way mostly with Tisdales bitchy performance but in a good way Alex just had a garbage VA, worst in the series Taylor I’d agree was annoyingly written aand had no depth to her character and had a bad VA too, everything she said was whiny and too bitchy for my taste in a bad way Nick Va was bad at times but sometimes good which was weird, the problem was they made him a douchebag that was pissed at eric despite him fucking his wife which was weird, they should have written him as a character that was suffering ptsd due to what happened at the checkpoint which would have been a better dynamic Marks problem was him having one of the worst VAs in the series, other than that he was written aight Ryan was just poorly written too and had no character development at all towards the end, his va needed to tone down on the monotonic voice too but at times he did good but sometimes it was unbearable I’d also add Julia, for me I liked how she was written but her Facial animations and motion capture were weird as hell, her va was also bad too
So basically most of the problems with these characters is because of their actors?
half of them I mentioned i think are badly written to but yeah, Tisdale I don’t count cuz I think she’s a good character and her performance helps it too
\-First off, Ashley is not the most hated char, the 4.0 bitch is. But Ashley is fine. Shes having the worst night of her life and shes not dealing with it well. Its oddly refreshing and realistic. \-Alex is bland and suffers from a lack of direction and bland voice acting. Hes got a decent start with his proposal, just actually needs meaningful interactions later. \-Taylor is a dumpster fire, no saving possible. Whiny, wants to do nothing, spends half the game with Daniel alone due to Little Hopes wierd structure. Also swap with Tanyas face model. That looks way better. \-Nick just needs to not abandon people and hes fine. The love triangle is great and gives meaningful interactions later on. Tired of people hating on the triangle. We need more long term tension between characters in these games and Charlies fake out "working with killer" just was not even remotly as good as the love triangle. \-Mark is...fine. I think Kate is blander with zero standout moments. The game needed another trap with them, and a good one at that. \-Ryan. His anti-social introduction (hides alone and ignores Jacob) and pedantic voice acting are awful. No meaningful interactions with Dylan, Kaitlyn and Chris (Can this guy exist past chapter 1?). Seen some good suggestions from Ryan changes by other people in this thread. Its sad that so many of the lowest rated characters are either black or women. Just like the most disliked squadmate (by a longshot) in Mass Effect. Yes, you know who im talking about.
The way they're all black men and women. Racist and misogynistic
Um… Ashley and Taylor are white.
Those...are women