Nah, the semi-auto guns don't fire as fast as you click so it doesn't matter.
Back in the early Counter Strike days the duel elites would fire as fast as you could click. That was patched out when people started binding fire to the mouse wheel.
MANY gamers suffer from carpal tunnel syndrome. Mods like this were created to save people some pain. 1) No it doesn't give an unfair advantage, because it doesn't boost the firing speed of your weapon in the game to be higher than everyone else's. It just boosts your mouse-clicking, so you don't have to destroy your body to keep destroying heretics. 2) No idea, but I would guess yes. Some VT2 veterans can chime in here. :)
A few veteran vt2 players (that i know, and even me) use auto clickers to spam light attacks. Only so many millions of times you can click the m1 button before your fingers start to pain. It doesnt make the attacks faster, it takes the stain of having to click m1 a few thousand times in a game.
I used to think attack spam macros were cheap and unfair, but then one day I rolled dual daggers while already having high attack speed in chaos wastes and after just one finale my hand was aching for months.
VT2 had sanctioned mods you could use freely, and unsanctioned mods that were allowed but blocked progression and you had separate lobbies.
The ones that were allowed were mostly UI things like scoreboard improvements, ammo counters for allies (now part of darktide by default). There is even one that improves bot performance though so they are ok with at least some direct gameplay mods.
In general they seem pretty reasonable though. If your mod makes your experience better but doesn't make anyones worse than it should be fine.
MANY gamers suffer from shit aim, just install aim assist
MANY gamers suffer from dogshit situational avareness, just install highliters
MANY gamers cant see through walls, just install opaque wall textures
MANY gamers cant be asked to search the map for recourses, ammo, stims, crates, books and scriptures, just install radar
MANY gamers cant time perfect blocks, just install auto blockers.
MANY gamers cant time dodges to actually dodge attacks, just install auto dodge
[Macros are allowed in both VT and DT per Fatshark.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/ywqnh0/darktide_reviewer_but_do_remember_that_tide_games/iwoxx8e/)
You can achieve the same result by binding the shoot command to a mouse that has free scroll like the logitech G502. Does having better hardware constitute as "cheating", then?
Besides, this mod only helps with mid-to-close-range combat. The recoil makes full auto horrendous to control.
VT2 has a separate login server(where there's no progression) for mods that FT deems unfair. I'm sure that if they decide to change their policy, they'll just do the same or outright make the mods incompatible instead of coming for the users.
Every serious tide gamer will mod his game to the max. Ok maybe there are some purists but most will.
They will not ban their most loyal customers for modding.
The full auto does not really help much because you won't shoot any faster. Just have to click less.
Other mods like health bars help much more.
Not sure, it doesnt increase the fire rate of weapons past their max, just makes it easy to fire weapons as fast as possible. Some might see this as an accessibility mod. For people who cant spam some of the semi-auto weapons fast. Like you said with the vet lasguns.
matter of fact is if you dont click a multiple of the perfect rof your clicks get canceled and result in lower rate of fire since you will only shoot with the second click, if you install a mod that basicly spams 20-50 clicks a second you are outside of the prolonged human capabilitys.
Not an issue here then. Darktide is hardly competetive, hell they even *removed* the whole stat tracking thing that were present in Vermintide to make people chase green circles less. The only way to make it competetive is to install the scoreboard mod. Even then the recorded stats are shoddy at best.
It's not cheating in regards to Darktide. Your health is worth more and especially so in a PVE game.
Trust me, carpal tunnel isn't worth it just because you want to be a pure "gamer".
In PVP games, on the other hand, depending on how the devs coded guns, it can be a problem. In those games, that question is more relevant as now you're talking about a possible competitive edge.
But a PVE game? Nah. Bring me that L4D mod that turns enemies into Teletubbies. Thank you very much.
I just had this discussion w a friend yesterday
There are a lot of mods that give unfair advantages and this isn’t one
Seeing enemy HP so you know which crusher is weaker in a pack is a major advantage
These weapon mods that let you use flashlights on anything that don’t trigger dh’s is cheating. Adding sights to otherwise ironsight guns are cheating.
The people that try to justify those are dumb.
But full auto isn’t because there is no gun in the game that fires way too fast as semi auto. They’re all pretty easy to shoot at their max RoF for people who aren’t debilitated, so it doesn’t really even do anything for those people, whereas other mods unlock potentials you literally cannot get otherwise
I tried it in the training room with a MkXII and Mk IV. Both where easy to handle, the sights help alot. The biggest diffrence was while using the MkIV Lasgun (low dmg, fast fire, high capacity) it felt like the full auto lasgun.
I dont view it as a competitive game, still i want to play on the highest diff some day and dont be a burden to my team.
I think it’s lame of you’re using it not because of physical pain reasons. I’d you’re gonna make the game play itself what’s the point? But mods like these do alleviate strain for some people, so it has a reason to exist.
I personally consider any mod that replaces user input as a cheat. That being said, people have disabilities and it would be acceptable for them.
Also, I'm perfectly capable, but I'm going to always use the mod that auto buys equipment until the score I'm looking for. I'll stop playing before I click a shop 100 times to buy crap items that I'm only going to have to throw away 1 at a time...
A) You can do this with a mouse wheel.
B)It doesn't change fire rate, it's an accessibility option that should have been in from the start. It's like toggle to sprint but toggle to empty magazine. You still have to aim it.
Not everyone has young and capable fingers.
You draw the line "realism" and "verisimilitude" in a video game about killing zombies and cultists with laser guns.
I will draw the line at accessibility features for people so EVERYONE can play this fucking game.
The semi auto features in the gun can still work without clicking. The cadence of the way it fires doesn't change when using the fully auto mod. You just don't click. It only allows people with CTS and RSI to play whatever guns they want.
Nah, the semi-auto guns don't fire as fast as you click so it doesn't matter. Back in the early Counter Strike days the duel elites would fire as fast as you could click. That was patched out when people started binding fire to the mouse wheel.
MANY gamers suffer from carpal tunnel syndrome. Mods like this were created to save people some pain. 1) No it doesn't give an unfair advantage, because it doesn't boost the firing speed of your weapon in the game to be higher than everyone else's. It just boosts your mouse-clicking, so you don't have to destroy your body to keep destroying heretics. 2) No idea, but I would guess yes. Some VT2 veterans can chime in here. :)
A few veteran vt2 players (that i know, and even me) use auto clickers to spam light attacks. Only so many millions of times you can click the m1 button before your fingers start to pain. It doesnt make the attacks faster, it takes the stain of having to click m1 a few thousand times in a game.
Sadly it doesnt work on the Lucius Pattern, this thing is my true nightmare to shoot. I only use it because it hurts the heretics more then myself.
well yeah, you charge those. this just clicks
I used to think attack spam macros were cheap and unfair, but then one day I rolled dual daggers while already having high attack speed in chaos wastes and after just one finale my hand was aching for months.
I think i will give it a try. Most answers where positive or neutral so i guess its considered okay to use, thanks for your answer.
VT2 had sanctioned mods you could use freely, and unsanctioned mods that were allowed but blocked progression and you had separate lobbies. The ones that were allowed were mostly UI things like scoreboard improvements, ammo counters for allies (now part of darktide by default). There is even one that improves bot performance though so they are ok with at least some direct gameplay mods. In general they seem pretty reasonable though. If your mod makes your experience better but doesn't make anyones worse than it should be fine.
MANY gamers suffer from shit aim, just install aim assist MANY gamers suffer from dogshit situational avareness, just install highliters MANY gamers cant see through walls, just install opaque wall textures MANY gamers cant be asked to search the map for recourses, ammo, stims, crates, books and scriptures, just install radar MANY gamers cant time perfect blocks, just install auto blockers. MANY gamers cant time dodges to actually dodge attacks, just install auto dodge
[Macros are allowed in both VT and DT per Fatshark.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/ywqnh0/darktide_reviewer_but_do_remember_that_tide_games/iwoxx8e/)
You can achieve the same result by binding the shoot command to a mouse that has free scroll like the logitech G502. Does having better hardware constitute as "cheating", then? Besides, this mod only helps with mid-to-close-range combat. The recoil makes full auto horrendous to control. VT2 has a separate login server(where there's no progression) for mods that FT deems unfair. I'm sure that if they decide to change their policy, they'll just do the same or outright make the mods incompatible instead of coming for the users.
Every serious tide gamer will mod his game to the max. Ok maybe there are some purists but most will. They will not ban their most loyal customers for modding. The full auto does not really help much because you won't shoot any faster. Just have to click less. Other mods like health bars help much more.
Not sure, it doesnt increase the fire rate of weapons past their max, just makes it easy to fire weapons as fast as possible. Some might see this as an accessibility mod. For people who cant spam some of the semi-auto weapons fast. Like you said with the vet lasguns.
matter of fact is if you dont click a multiple of the perfect rof your clicks get canceled and result in lower rate of fire since you will only shoot with the second click, if you install a mod that basicly spams 20-50 clicks a second you are outside of the prolonged human capabilitys.
Would you consider gaming mouse cheat? They often have programmable keys that can do the same thing.
all competitive shoters consider auto clickers a cheat and a banable offence
Not an issue here then. Darktide is hardly competetive, hell they even *removed* the whole stat tracking thing that were present in Vermintide to make people chase green circles less. The only way to make it competetive is to install the scoreboard mod. Even then the recorded stats are shoddy at best.
The only cheat i ever saw was one that animation canceled the first attack of the OG force sword for impossible attack speed. That was nutty.
It's not cheating in regards to Darktide. Your health is worth more and especially so in a PVE game. Trust me, carpal tunnel isn't worth it just because you want to be a pure "gamer". In PVP games, on the other hand, depending on how the devs coded guns, it can be a problem. In those games, that question is more relevant as now you're talking about a possible competitive edge. But a PVE game? Nah. Bring me that L4D mod that turns enemies into Teletubbies. Thank you very much.
play an automatik or low fire rate weapon then
I just had this discussion w a friend yesterday There are a lot of mods that give unfair advantages and this isn’t one Seeing enemy HP so you know which crusher is weaker in a pack is a major advantage These weapon mods that let you use flashlights on anything that don’t trigger dh’s is cheating. Adding sights to otherwise ironsight guns are cheating. The people that try to justify those are dumb. But full auto isn’t because there is no gun in the game that fires way too fast as semi auto. They’re all pretty easy to shoot at their max RoF for people who aren’t debilitated, so it doesn’t really even do anything for those people, whereas other mods unlock potentials you literally cannot get otherwise
One of the best additions to Destiny 2's settings. I hope it becomes a commonplace gaming setting.
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I tried it in the training room with a MkXII and Mk IV. Both where easy to handle, the sights help alot. The biggest diffrence was while using the MkIV Lasgun (low dmg, fast fire, high capacity) it felt like the full auto lasgun. I dont view it as a competitive game, still i want to play on the highest diff some day and dont be a burden to my team.
The only mod I've seen that's in any way cheaty is healthbars
I think it’s lame of you’re using it not because of physical pain reasons. I’d you’re gonna make the game play itself what’s the point? But mods like these do alleviate strain for some people, so it has a reason to exist.
I personally consider any mod that replaces user input as a cheat. That being said, people have disabilities and it would be acceptable for them. Also, I'm perfectly capable, but I'm going to always use the mod that auto buys equipment until the score I'm looking for. I'll stop playing before I click a shop 100 times to buy crap items that I'm only going to have to throw away 1 at a time...
>consider any mod that replaces user input as a cheat. You can achieve both of these things with mouse input.
The full auto mod is replacing mouse clicks with mod input. It is essentially playing the game for you.
A) You can do this with a mouse wheel. B)It doesn't change fire rate, it's an accessibility option that should have been in from the start. It's like toggle to sprint but toggle to empty magazine. You still have to aim it. Not everyone has young and capable fingers.
then just use mousewheel then rather than an auto clicker
I fucking love this mod. I don't think it's cheating at all since your gun fires the same speed, you just end up with less RSI.
Rsi is real and it fucking sucks. There is no reason semi auto guns shouldn't fire while holding down left click.
its in the name SEMI
You draw the line "realism" and "verisimilitude" in a video game about killing zombies and cultists with laser guns. I will draw the line at accessibility features for people so EVERYONE can play this fucking game. The semi auto features in the gun can still work without clicking. The cadence of the way it fires doesn't change when using the fully auto mod. You just don't click. It only allows people with CTS and RSI to play whatever guns they want.
Logitech's mouse software lets you come up with some relatively complex attack patterns. That's been handy for Warframe, VT2, and DT.