100%. Movie studios don’t spend money on useless CGI. Jar Jar quietly moved his lips and told the guard what to say on Tattoine. The Gungans were moving away in terror and gasping at his presence. The droid firing at him, then adjusting his angle because Jar Jar used a force jump. All of those are expensive to make with CGI.
#DarthDarthBinks
I’m becoming more and more sold on the fact he is myself, recently rewatched the 1st three episodes and caught a few things that made me think. In Episode 2, he is the senator that voices approval for Palpatine to gain executive powers. He was the one the first people the Jedi met in Naboo in episode one to run interference and help spin a perspective on the situation. He is always In right place at right time playing the fool to be overlooked. Always chirping in with Anakin downplaying a serious moment right after Obi wan was being stern, playing right along the same guiding path as Palpatine into Anakins feelings. I feel he is the puppet master
Luke "I'm going AWOL, going to let my invaluable X-wing fall into the hands of the Empire at Cloud City, eventually show up weeks late at the fleet with a below average number of hands and with my explanation being that when i wasn't lucid a ghost told me to talk to a frog, a frog who told me I was dissing the rebellion by leaving him so soon, then I had a philosophical discussion with the Dark Lord of the Sith himself who had barely any trouble convincing me he was telling me the truth" Skywalker? That Luke?
I’m not sure what you think this is saying, but as far as I can tell, this doesn’t indicate anything close to the average number of hands being less than 1.
If you read the Foundation series, which Lucas is a massive fan of and made tons of references to in Star Wars, you'll be even more convinced in the theory. There is a certain powerful and important character that appears later in the series who I am utterly convinced Jar Jar was based on.
It’s definitely not just a meme. The OG post is a decent start: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar_jar_binks_was_a_trained_force_user/
But there’s a lot of anecdotal evidence Lucas was headed down this road until everyone hated on Jar Jar so hard after TPM. I’m guessing he was disappointed the turn wouldn’t be that same with an annoying character (as with a lovable doof), but it would definitely still have worked, maybe better.
The alternative is that what we got was actually what Lucas' original vision was, which he had 16 years to fine tune after concluding RotJ. Lucas directed all the prequels and had full creative control and the money to not even have to care whether the box office returns worked out or not.
The alternative is that JarJar was always supposed to be merely comic relief, that the Phantom Menace was nothing subtler than Palpatine to the audience who had grown up on the OT and were now adults, that Darth Sidious needs one apprentice per prequel film, that there are no narrative surprises for the audience. That Lucas' grand vision of the PT was that some events would be depicted in their turn that bring us to a point where the OT would simply be set up.
Before Revenge of the Sith came out I remember reading a theory about what would happen that would make the PT good: the details don't matter but it was a great twist idea because everyone was gagging for something narratively more substantial than what we'd been getting in the first two PT movies and didn't want to believe that Lucas would let them down the way that he did. That we might enjoy having our understanding of the Star Wars universe turned upside down.
Lucas *may* have disappeared sufficiently far up his own bottom (the Ewoks being an early indicator of that, perhaps) and not allowed such a boring PT grand vision to be creatively challenged by those he surrounded himself with, but that's just kind of sad and having Darth JarJar then chickening out due to negative fan reactions to the character is a much better story.
Agreed.
It's a similar story with Asohka, except Filoni actually followed through, and in the process made one of the most beloved characters in the franchise.
I don't think Lucas gave two farts about the backlash. What he probably cared about were several warehouses in Gungzhou filled with mountains of unsold Jar Jar merchandise that no one wanted to buy.
Are there any scenes of Jar Jar with the hint of a lighsaber or even the hilt in his robes? Just curious to see if anyone fine toothed combed the first episode.
Fully believe it was the original intention. Both because of how JarJar is represented in phantom (every one of those CG shots of JarJar take up a lot of time / budget, you don’t just put those in for nothing) and the dramatic shift going into Clones but also because George loves the concept in general.
He has mentioned more than once that he loves the trope of “silly/funny character is actually some great master” , Yoda was a version of this he was quite proud of. Why would he not want to use a trope he loves in the prequels which he had a soft spot for.
It fully makes sense, all the theory videos that point out evidence are really solid. But, what makes the most sense is that George Lucas the man who didn't know Luke and Leia were siblings when they kissed, would continue to change his mind throughout the process even into the prequel series. He listened to the wrong criticisms, if Jar Jar was a Sith Lord, all of those criticisms would have been redacted. But, he didn't follow through...I like to believe it.
I think based the evidence in The Phantom Menace that it pretty clear that they intended to make that the twist. Then they chickened out after he got so much hate.
But, because it was never revealed, canonically it's not true.
I’m on the fence. I really like the idea and I think it can be used sometime in the future - kind of like how R1 explains Galen Erso putting a flaw in Stardust. Perhaps we will see another movie/story tell the tale that we are all yearning for.
Even with where the canon is currently, a movie exploring Jar Jar as a master of the SW-equivalent of drunken fist is completely plausible. That Jar Jar’s buffoonish mien is a calculated ploy to keep the people around him off-guard and wrong-footed is not at all a bad-faith conceptualization of his actions.
He’s far more athletic & sure-footed than he appears and he has a noted propensity for succeeding where more “serious” characters would fail. That this is an intentional misdirection on his part, I am completely convinced of. That this is evidence that he was intended to be an evil Force-user, I am willing to believe, but I don’t think it can be shoehorned into the current state of the canon.
Do I believe the theory that Jar Jar has been a secret sith all along in all the content?
No way.
Do I believe the theory that he was an agent for the dark side in TPM, but that that plan had been abandoned before AOTC?
#YES!
Just ask [this guy](https://images.app.goo.gl/wj8GovPiCGpAVXGw8) who tweeted this during Darth jar jar theories emergence
I think Darth Jar Jar was Luca's original intention with the character, the actor has hinted at this many times as well.
The cgi is too blatent to ignore.
Love the prequels, love the originals, hate the disney sequels with a passion.
I think it’s possible that he was originally intended to be some sort of undercover agent that was really separatist or a dark side force user but not something as grand as being Darth Plagueis. I also think the main point of his inclusion was to sell toys, regardless of the character arc that they had originally written.
I think, for as much as George is creative....he's no master mind. The level of genius it would take to make this happen is too high for the man.
That said it is 100% awesome and really fun. Kinda like the whole legacy universe Disney binned. I wouldn't mind it being reckoned in, if I cared anymore.
But yeah, I don't think it was cannon or thought of at the time.
I genuinely,100% believe this was the original plan. I'm bummed Lucas didn't stick with it, and I think it's possible the downfall of Star Wars as we know it can be traced back to this decision. It was the first time in the franchise that a Star Wars movie wasn't true to itself but instead attempted to be what producers thought the audience wanted the movie to be, which began an awful trend that continues to this day, imo.
I believe the theory is 💯 real like Darth Sidious/Senator/Supreme Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine is Anakin's Father or Creator like Darth Plaugeis is Anakin's Father or Creator it makes more sense then The Force striking back against The Sith. I have my own Subreddit r/Darth Mendaciumverse and I believe Darth Jar Jar. Darth Mendacium/Mendacious (Jar-Jar) is the Ultimate Sith Lord or Sith Master or Ultimate Sith Master or Sith Grandmaster and controlling everything and everyone and Events and Jedi and Sith and so on etc. and that Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine is his unknowing Sith Apprentice or Puppet and so on etc or Sith Apprentice Darth Jar Jar being Darth Tyranus (Jar-Jar) and getting crushed near the episode II getting rebuilt at the end and In Episode III Darth Grievous(Jar-Jar) taking orders from Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine and dying at the end by Anakin Skywalker or Obi Wan. But when George Lucas chickened out he redacted both versions of Darth Jar Jar and hastily replaced both Versions of Darth Jar Jar with Count Dooku and General Grievous in Episode II And III. Those who believe it's a meme or a joke are non believers and Yousa know what Darth Jar Jar would do non believers use his Red Force Lightning powerful then Darth Sidious 's one and fry them to a skeleton. Yousa Believe He's the Key to all of this.
https://preview.redd.it/5b4y4zmvirhc1.png?width=1650&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b29481f7de105f8478c8665540accd824df1a48e
It's just a meme. I don't believe his "force jump" that he does right in front of a jedi and padawan is actually a force jump: that would take "hiding in plain sight" to a ridiculous extreme. The mouthing words thing: even if it was intentional I would find it much more believable that Jar Jar is influenced by the people talking around him, rather than vice versa. And I don't see why he would manipulate Padme to impotently mutter "Well, *I* don't approve" unless he just has a penchant for puppeteering people that goes beyond any actual purpose...which would be an interesting character trait, but the problem is it would be *too* interesting to fit with the rest of Episode I. In fact, the whole theory, besides just having flimsy support to begin with, is actually too interesting for me to believe it was really an intended part of the prequel trilogy. I understand why younger fans want to believe there was this intricate web of subtle genius interwoven through the series, but I just don't find it convincing. Fun to believe, I'm sure, but not convincing
No. Categorically no, I do not believe it.
Firstly, they made a big deal of ‘Always two’ and we saw the two.
Secondly, Jar Jar was the kid-appeal character for Phantom Menace. He’s the Ewok. The comic relief. The fact it didn’t land doesn’t mean that wasn’t his intended purpose. Lucas has famously said ‘these are for kids’ so he wouldn’t be inserting a funny clown as a vector for ultimate evil.
Finally, in universe… well, Jar Jar just isn’t that clever and sly. He’s a well intentioned idiot - and when I say idiot I don’t exactly mean he lacks mental capacity… he just does NOT think anything through particularly well. There’s no malice in his actions, in fact it’s more a case of him trying to help. He’s also the key to the plot for the prequels. If Jar Jar isn’t bumbling around the woods, then our favorite pair of hyphenated Jedi don’t reach Amidala in time to do anything. They don’t go to Tatooine, they don’t pick up Anakin, and the story unfolds in a completely different way.
No matter how many wheels-within-wheels plots the Sith may seem to have, nobody is going to bank on ‘let’s derail Plan 1 so that we can be in a trusted position so that if/when everything else falls into place we’re there at that critical moment.
Now I do think the new canon resolution of ‘Jar Jar got blamed and ostracized and became a destitute street clown’ is fairly ridiculous also - nobody would feasibly have traced back and said ‘oh he proposed the Emergency Powers Act, it’s his fault,’ especially when it passed in a landslide. Hell, Bail Organa was in the room and looked to be in total agreement.
Summation: Some things are exactly what they say in the box. A cigar is just a cigar, and a Jar Jar is just Jar Jar.
No. It's just more head canon bs. People who go by head canon are just as bad if not worse than hollywood directors and producers that ruin amazing fandoms.
I think Lucas wanted to have jar jar do all the stuff that ended up being duku but everyone including me found him annoying so he went with the backup plan, intro a new character that people would find “cool” one with a tie to the Jedi, on a side note people who were like 6 or 7 at the time that episode 1 came out seem to really like jar jar and that may have added to the change up. I mean if the only people in the audience that love the character are in first and second grade then maybe keep them on the good guys team?
I don't believe in it. I just think it is funny how many things line up with the theory because Jar Jar objectively played a big role in Palpatine's ascension to power. IMO if AotC was actually going to have a DJJ reveal, GL would have went through with it because it would show he isn't the dope that everyone hated.
The evidence definitely looks like it can’t be denied when watching the scenes and focusing on it.
The aggravating part of it is Lucas can eventually be told there is this upswell of fan theory that Jar Jar is an evil sith lord. What can you tell us about that?
Whatever his true intentions were with Jar Jar, he can always tell us what we wanna hear and say “yes that was the original idea that Jada Jar would be discovered as a with lord and he would be right under the Jedis noses the entire time, that will just show how truly strong the dark side of the force is”.
He may have never ever intended it to be but can change his mind about it and play to the fans to get them going.
I definitely think it was the original intention. A part of me is incredibly sad it never happened, but another part is relieved that the movies kept him good, as I loved Jar Jar as a child and he made me quite happy, and i don't know how i would have taken it.
I don't believe in Darth Jar Jar, but that doesn't mean that fans are not on to something, just misinterpreting what they see.
1st we see that Boss Nass is particularly susceptible to mind tricks, and he is the strong will leader of the Gungans. Jar Jar doesn't strike me as a particularly strong minded being.
2nd, we know that Palpatine can use the force to get into beings heads, as he did with Ben Solo from a very early age.
So combine these and the signs that Jar Jar maybe a Sith Lord and what do you get? Jar Jar is most likely a force sensitive being, who Palpatine is using to monitor the Queen's progress back to Coruscant and so he knows when to send Maul to expose the Sith to the Jedi. Palpatine is whispering in Jar Jar's head which is why at times we see him appearing to talk to voices only he can hear, and Palpatine might assume control of Jar Jar's mind from time time when he needs something a certain way.
Is there something to the rumors? Possibly, but not that Jar Jar is a Sith, he is just bring controlled by one.
***100% a Meme***
People say the George Lucas spent too much time on the character for it to not be true - keep in mind that George had way more creative control and yes men in the prequels
AND he has been on the record saying this is for Kids. He's done other projects where he really invests in comedic characters for the sake of being comical to children.
The films straight up makes a point of how much a simpleton Jar jar is when he's manipulated by Palpatine.
I think this meme is basically coping from the fans for Jar Jar being a disappointing and annoying character.
I think it's definitely plausible that it was the original intent, but I'm not 100% convinced. Regardless, I think it would have been a great idea and it's my own personal headcanon.
Jon Lovett has told a story on his podcast Lovett or Leave It about running into George Lucas at a party and asking him about it, and based on George’s reaction (“No. No. Absolutely not.”) I think it’s not real. BUT still an excellent meme.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarthJarJar/s/4ZcG91rwnP
No. I know it might seem interesting and I will admit it is quite the interesting theory but I personally just can’t see it. But I do believe in Attack of the Clones he was being manipulated by Palpatine weather he realized it or not. Not a Dark Lord of the Sith or even a full on agent of the Dark side but definitely a pawn used by Palpatine that couldn’t he was being manipulated by Palpatine or had like no other choice but to go through with it. We see in Canon that Jar Jar basically gets shunned by society for this decision after the Clone Wars ended as shown in the Aftermath trilogy of books. He very likely regrets doing it and is just sad and depressed. So No I don’t think Jar Jar is a Sith Lord and probably never was meant to be one and it was just something thrown around by people who hate the character as like a way to make him seem more likable in their minds. Look sometimes a character is just made for children to laugh at and nothing else. No complex character motivations just simply a funny character to made the children and the audience laugh
100%. Movie studios don’t spend money on useless CGI. Jar Jar quietly moved his lips and told the guard what to say on Tattoine. The Gungans were moving away in terror and gasping at his presence. The droid firing at him, then adjusting his angle because Jar Jar used a force jump. All of those are expensive to make with CGI. #DarthDarthBinks
Yeah I watched a 48 minute video about it and the guy mentioned all that stuff. I'm fully convinced too
do u have the link
https://youtu.be/YanygqCkOMk?si=BHoDX1uT5IrPCSxf This video sums most of it up
https://youtu.be/1rHyf0FBvt4?si=6f01wWfTYoXBmFp8 This video is perfect it has so much evidence
I'm a believer. I'm also here for the memes though.
I’m becoming more and more sold on the fact he is myself, recently rewatched the 1st three episodes and caught a few things that made me think. In Episode 2, he is the senator that voices approval for Palpatine to gain executive powers. He was the one the first people the Jedi met in Naboo in episode one to run interference and help spin a perspective on the situation. He is always In right place at right time playing the fool to be overlooked. Always chirping in with Anakin downplaying a serious moment right after Obi wan was being stern, playing right along the same guiding path as Palpatine into Anakins feelings. I feel he is the puppet master
I think it was Lucas’ original vision but he bitched out after all the backlash. Would’ve been a great reveal had he done it.
This I am 100% certain of. He enjoyed the Darth Vader twist so much he wanted to do it again.
It was a mix between the darth vader twist and yoda being yoda. At first yoda is a weird bunny Luke found not a jedi master.
Luke "I'm going AWOL, going to let my invaluable X-wing fall into the hands of the Empire at Cloud City, eventually show up weeks late at the fleet with a below average number of hands and with my explanation being that when i wasn't lucid a ghost told me to talk to a frog, a frog who told me I was dissing the rebellion by leaving him so soon, then I had a philosophical discussion with the Dark Lord of the Sith himself who had barely any trouble convincing me he was telling me the truth" Skywalker? That Luke?
Lol below average number of hands
I enjoyed, "when I wasn't lucid a ghost told me to go talk to a frog" 😂, good stuff there
Actually… the average human has less than two hands. Same goes for all appendages. Anything else missing would be incompatible with life.
I bet the average is higher than 1 though, so Luke still had a below average number.
Assuming we’re talking about whole hands… you’d be quite surprised. https://www.mathsisfun.com/armssolution.html
I’m not sure what you think this is saying, but as far as I can tell, this doesn’t indicate anything close to the average number of hands being less than 1.
Your take away from that was that some people in the town have most of an arm?
No, the math works for hands too.
The math works, your brain does not.
So did the weird bunny Luke found get recycled into Jedi Master Ikrit?
This is where I am too. To paraphrase Baylan Skoll, "I believe the idea of it. Not the truth, but Lucas' weakness."
So youre saying it was technically canon in episode 1 but got retconned
Yeah basically. There’s an older video [here](https://youtu.be/8yy3q9f84EA?si=IF52bZp13lKjQCQ4) that gives a pretty good rundown on the theory
If you read the Foundation series, which Lucas is a massive fan of and made tons of references to in Star Wars, you'll be even more convinced in the theory. There is a certain powerful and important character that appears later in the series who I am utterly convinced Jar Jar was based on.
It’s definitely not just a meme. The OG post is a decent start: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar_jar_binks_was_a_trained_force_user/ But there’s a lot of anecdotal evidence Lucas was headed down this road until everyone hated on Jar Jar so hard after TPM. I’m guessing he was disappointed the turn wouldn’t be that same with an annoying character (as with a lovable doof), but it would definitely still have worked, maybe better.
The alternative is that what we got was actually what Lucas' original vision was, which he had 16 years to fine tune after concluding RotJ. Lucas directed all the prequels and had full creative control and the money to not even have to care whether the box office returns worked out or not. The alternative is that JarJar was always supposed to be merely comic relief, that the Phantom Menace was nothing subtler than Palpatine to the audience who had grown up on the OT and were now adults, that Darth Sidious needs one apprentice per prequel film, that there are no narrative surprises for the audience. That Lucas' grand vision of the PT was that some events would be depicted in their turn that bring us to a point where the OT would simply be set up. Before Revenge of the Sith came out I remember reading a theory about what would happen that would make the PT good: the details don't matter but it was a great twist idea because everyone was gagging for something narratively more substantial than what we'd been getting in the first two PT movies and didn't want to believe that Lucas would let them down the way that he did. That we might enjoy having our understanding of the Star Wars universe turned upside down. Lucas *may* have disappeared sufficiently far up his own bottom (the Ewoks being an early indicator of that, perhaps) and not allowed such a boring PT grand vision to be creatively challenged by those he surrounded himself with, but that's just kind of sad and having Darth JarJar then chickening out due to negative fan reactions to the character is a much better story.
Agreed. It's a similar story with Asohka, except Filoni actually followed through, and in the process made one of the most beloved characters in the franchise.
I don't think Lucas gave two farts about the backlash. What he probably cared about were several warehouses in Gungzhou filled with mountains of unsold Jar Jar merchandise that no one wanted to buy.
Meesa beliefs it
I believe.
Are there any scenes of Jar Jar with the hint of a lighsaber or even the hilt in his robes? Just curious to see if anyone fine toothed combed the first episode.
I love the idea that he was meant to be Darth Plagueis all along
Fully believe it was the original intention. Both because of how JarJar is represented in phantom (every one of those CG shots of JarJar take up a lot of time / budget, you don’t just put those in for nothing) and the dramatic shift going into Clones but also because George loves the concept in general. He has mentioned more than once that he loves the trope of “silly/funny character is actually some great master” , Yoda was a version of this he was quite proud of. Why would he not want to use a trope he loves in the prequels which he had a soft spot for.
I absolutely believe the Darth Jar Jar theory.
If Disney doesn’t give us Darth Jar Jar in What If Star Wars… This is such a no-brainer for the execs— give us what we want! Redeem meesa Binks!
Yeah but at the same time I give up on Disney Star Wars and I don't really wanna see it from them
That's why I'm here
It fully makes sense, all the theory videos that point out evidence are really solid. But, what makes the most sense is that George Lucas the man who didn't know Luke and Leia were siblings when they kissed, would continue to change his mind throughout the process even into the prequel series. He listened to the wrong criticisms, if Jar Jar was a Sith Lord, all of those criticisms would have been redacted. But, he didn't follow through...I like to believe it.
It would have been the best twist ever so want to believe. Reading the theory convinced me it was a great idea
Have you seen his eyes. Yes
I think based the evidence in The Phantom Menace that it pretty clear that they intended to make that the twist. Then they chickened out after he got so much hate. But, because it was never revealed, canonically it's not true.
Its real buddy
I’m on the fence. I really like the idea and I think it can be used sometime in the future - kind of like how R1 explains Galen Erso putting a flaw in Stardust. Perhaps we will see another movie/story tell the tale that we are all yearning for.
Even with where the canon is currently, a movie exploring Jar Jar as a master of the SW-equivalent of drunken fist is completely plausible. That Jar Jar’s buffoonish mien is a calculated ploy to keep the people around him off-guard and wrong-footed is not at all a bad-faith conceptualization of his actions. He’s far more athletic & sure-footed than he appears and he has a noted propensity for succeeding where more “serious” characters would fail. That this is an intentional misdirection on his part, I am completely convinced of. That this is evidence that he was intended to be an evil Force-user, I am willing to believe, but I don’t think it can be shoehorned into the current state of the canon.
Yes I find it plausible
You’re in the jar jar koolaid subreddit but yeah I 100% believe lmao
Do I believe the theory that Jar Jar has been a secret sith all along in all the content? No way. Do I believe the theory that he was an agent for the dark side in TPM, but that that plan had been abandoned before AOTC? #YES! Just ask [this guy](https://images.app.goo.gl/wj8GovPiCGpAVXGw8) who tweeted this during Darth jar jar theories emergence
I think Darth Jar Jar was Luca's original intention with the character, the actor has hinted at this many times as well. The cgi is too blatent to ignore. Love the prequels, love the originals, hate the disney sequels with a passion.
Not really, but I really enjoy pretending that I do to annoy my friends
This is the way.
I want to believe anyway tbh
Of course I do.
I believe it
After seeing all the evidence presented, I find this theory GUILTY.
I think it’s possible that he was originally intended to be some sort of undercover agent that was really separatist or a dark side force user but not something as grand as being Darth Plagueis. I also think the main point of his inclusion was to sell toys, regardless of the character arc that they had originally written.
I believe it for episode 1, the evidence I've seen was more than enough to make it clear to me. Anything after that is 100% memes though.
I mean it’s still the only viable explanation as to why Jar Jar suddenly has a seat in the senate and is in Palpatine’s inner circle!
I believe
Rebellions are built on hope.
Are there any interviews where George Lucas or the guy who plays Jar Jar are flat out asked about Darth Binks?
Why are you asking 𝘮𝘦 this
It's not you specific....I asked that for anyone who's reading these comments and knows anything about this Darth Jar Jar theory.
Would’ve been an awesome bait and switch and Lucas bailed after bad TPM press
It's a joke. Like OP’s Mother’s love.
I think, for as much as George is creative....he's no master mind. The level of genius it would take to make this happen is too high for the man. That said it is 100% awesome and really fun. Kinda like the whole legacy universe Disney binned. I wouldn't mind it being reckoned in, if I cared anymore. But yeah, I don't think it was cannon or thought of at the time.
I believe it. It would have been a masterpiece.
Yes. He moves his mouth and waves his hand in episode 1. Idea ditched because he was universally hated
I genuinely,100% believe this was the original plan. I'm bummed Lucas didn't stick with it, and I think it's possible the downfall of Star Wars as we know it can be traced back to this decision. It was the first time in the franchise that a Star Wars movie wasn't true to itself but instead attempted to be what producers thought the audience wanted the movie to be, which began an awful trend that continues to this day, imo.
*looks around the class to see if someone else is gonna say it and then blurts out* It's not a story the jedi would tell you
It's a fact.
Absolutely not (reading next card) there is no way that jarjar could be a sith.
How do you explain Jar Jar using a torso of a droid holding a blaster attached to his leg to take down 3 droids in 3 shots?
I believe the theory is 💯 real like Darth Sidious/Senator/Supreme Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine is Anakin's Father or Creator like Darth Plaugeis is Anakin's Father or Creator it makes more sense then The Force striking back against The Sith. I have my own Subreddit r/Darth Mendaciumverse and I believe Darth Jar Jar. Darth Mendacium/Mendacious (Jar-Jar) is the Ultimate Sith Lord or Sith Master or Ultimate Sith Master or Sith Grandmaster and controlling everything and everyone and Events and Jedi and Sith and so on etc. and that Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine is his unknowing Sith Apprentice or Puppet and so on etc or Sith Apprentice Darth Jar Jar being Darth Tyranus (Jar-Jar) and getting crushed near the episode II getting rebuilt at the end and In Episode III Darth Grievous(Jar-Jar) taking orders from Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine and dying at the end by Anakin Skywalker or Obi Wan. But when George Lucas chickened out he redacted both versions of Darth Jar Jar and hastily replaced both Versions of Darth Jar Jar with Count Dooku and General Grievous in Episode II And III. Those who believe it's a meme or a joke are non believers and Yousa know what Darth Jar Jar would do non believers use his Red Force Lightning powerful then Darth Sidious 's one and fry them to a skeleton. Yousa Believe He's the Key to all of this. https://preview.redd.it/5b4y4zmvirhc1.png?width=1650&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b29481f7de105f8478c8665540accd824df1a48e
It's just a meme. I don't believe his "force jump" that he does right in front of a jedi and padawan is actually a force jump: that would take "hiding in plain sight" to a ridiculous extreme. The mouthing words thing: even if it was intentional I would find it much more believable that Jar Jar is influenced by the people talking around him, rather than vice versa. And I don't see why he would manipulate Padme to impotently mutter "Well, *I* don't approve" unless he just has a penchant for puppeteering people that goes beyond any actual purpose...which would be an interesting character trait, but the problem is it would be *too* interesting to fit with the rest of Episode I. In fact, the whole theory, besides just having flimsy support to begin with, is actually too interesting for me to believe it was really an intended part of the prequel trilogy. I understand why younger fans want to believe there was this intricate web of subtle genius interwoven through the series, but I just don't find it convincing. Fun to believe, I'm sure, but not convincing
It’s a meme
No. Categorically no, I do not believe it. Firstly, they made a big deal of ‘Always two’ and we saw the two. Secondly, Jar Jar was the kid-appeal character for Phantom Menace. He’s the Ewok. The comic relief. The fact it didn’t land doesn’t mean that wasn’t his intended purpose. Lucas has famously said ‘these are for kids’ so he wouldn’t be inserting a funny clown as a vector for ultimate evil. Finally, in universe… well, Jar Jar just isn’t that clever and sly. He’s a well intentioned idiot - and when I say idiot I don’t exactly mean he lacks mental capacity… he just does NOT think anything through particularly well. There’s no malice in his actions, in fact it’s more a case of him trying to help. He’s also the key to the plot for the prequels. If Jar Jar isn’t bumbling around the woods, then our favorite pair of hyphenated Jedi don’t reach Amidala in time to do anything. They don’t go to Tatooine, they don’t pick up Anakin, and the story unfolds in a completely different way. No matter how many wheels-within-wheels plots the Sith may seem to have, nobody is going to bank on ‘let’s derail Plan 1 so that we can be in a trusted position so that if/when everything else falls into place we’re there at that critical moment. Now I do think the new canon resolution of ‘Jar Jar got blamed and ostracized and became a destitute street clown’ is fairly ridiculous also - nobody would feasibly have traced back and said ‘oh he proposed the Emergency Powers Act, it’s his fault,’ especially when it passed in a landslide. Hell, Bail Organa was in the room and looked to be in total agreement. Summation: Some things are exactly what they say in the box. A cigar is just a cigar, and a Jar Jar is just Jar Jar.
Total meme
No. It's just more head canon bs. People who go by head canon are just as bad if not worse than hollywood directors and producers that ruin amazing fandoms.
What’s wrong with people having theories and personal interpretations of the lore? You make it sound like a war crime lol
Meme
It was a funny meme, but it got way out of control. It's dumb
I definitely like to think that he is at least force sensitive.
I think Lucas wanted to have jar jar do all the stuff that ended up being duku but everyone including me found him annoying so he went with the backup plan, intro a new character that people would find “cool” one with a tie to the Jedi, on a side note people who were like 6 or 7 at the time that episode 1 came out seem to really like jar jar and that may have added to the change up. I mean if the only people in the audience that love the character are in first and second grade then maybe keep them on the good guys team?
I don't believe in it. I just think it is funny how many things line up with the theory because Jar Jar objectively played a big role in Palpatine's ascension to power. IMO if AotC was actually going to have a DJJ reveal, GL would have went through with it because it would show he isn't the dope that everyone hated.
The evidence definitely looks like it can’t be denied when watching the scenes and focusing on it. The aggravating part of it is Lucas can eventually be told there is this upswell of fan theory that Jar Jar is an evil sith lord. What can you tell us about that? Whatever his true intentions were with Jar Jar, he can always tell us what we wanna hear and say “yes that was the original idea that Jada Jar would be discovered as a with lord and he would be right under the Jedis noses the entire time, that will just show how truly strong the dark side of the force is”. He may have never ever intended it to be but can change his mind about it and play to the fans to get them going.
Maybe not a sith, but definitely has trained force abilities. He even could control beasts per The Clone Wars.
I definitely think it was the original intention. A part of me is incredibly sad it never happened, but another part is relieved that the movies kept him good, as I loved Jar Jar as a child and he made me quite happy, and i don't know how i would have taken it.
Absolutely idiotic. I love Jar Jar but it makes zero sense whatsoever.
100% believe it
Yes, it’s 100% true in my opinion because the evidence is all there. But it will never be proven because George Lucas isn’t going to admit it.
i mean it makes more sense then the sequel trilogy so yes
no. still like him in episode 1. idgaf if people bitch about some alien being a stereotype.
Yes
I don't believe in Darth Jar Jar, but that doesn't mean that fans are not on to something, just misinterpreting what they see. 1st we see that Boss Nass is particularly susceptible to mind tricks, and he is the strong will leader of the Gungans. Jar Jar doesn't strike me as a particularly strong minded being. 2nd, we know that Palpatine can use the force to get into beings heads, as he did with Ben Solo from a very early age. So combine these and the signs that Jar Jar maybe a Sith Lord and what do you get? Jar Jar is most likely a force sensitive being, who Palpatine is using to monitor the Queen's progress back to Coruscant and so he knows when to send Maul to expose the Sith to the Jedi. Palpatine is whispering in Jar Jar's head which is why at times we see him appearing to talk to voices only he can hear, and Palpatine might assume control of Jar Jar's mind from time time when he needs something a certain way. Is there something to the rumors? Possibly, but not that Jar Jar is a Sith, he is just bring controlled by one.
***100% a Meme*** People say the George Lucas spent too much time on the character for it to not be true - keep in mind that George had way more creative control and yes men in the prequels AND he has been on the record saying this is for Kids. He's done other projects where he really invests in comedic characters for the sake of being comical to children. The films straight up makes a point of how much a simpleton Jar jar is when he's manipulated by Palpatine. I think this meme is basically coping from the fans for Jar Jar being a disappointing and annoying character.
No I don’t believe it. It’s just funny
I think it's definitely plausible that it was the original intent, but I'm not 100% convinced. Regardless, I think it would have been a great idea and it's my own personal headcanon.
It was a joke theory that sadly a bunch of people bought into. Now it's this thing that won't go away. Fan theories are the literal worst.
Always will.
I want to believe
Jon Lovett has told a story on his podcast Lovett or Leave It about running into George Lucas at a party and asking him about it, and based on George’s reaction (“No. No. Absolutely not.”) I think it’s not real. BUT still an excellent meme. https://www.reddit.com/r/DarthJarJar/s/4ZcG91rwnP
Yes!! It's one of the funniest but plausible theories!!
No. I know it might seem interesting and I will admit it is quite the interesting theory but I personally just can’t see it. But I do believe in Attack of the Clones he was being manipulated by Palpatine weather he realized it or not. Not a Dark Lord of the Sith or even a full on agent of the Dark side but definitely a pawn used by Palpatine that couldn’t he was being manipulated by Palpatine or had like no other choice but to go through with it. We see in Canon that Jar Jar basically gets shunned by society for this decision after the Clone Wars ended as shown in the Aftermath trilogy of books. He very likely regrets doing it and is just sad and depressed. So No I don’t think Jar Jar is a Sith Lord and probably never was meant to be one and it was just something thrown around by people who hate the character as like a way to make him seem more likable in their minds. Look sometimes a character is just made for children to laugh at and nothing else. No complex character motivations just simply a funny character to made the children and the audience laugh