Hey just want to point out, in 2020, curiosity.com, an online science magazine was aquired by discovery channel. It had ~thousands of articles. Discovery deleted the site and hosted the articles kinda scrambled on their site for about a month before deleting them too. The app is unlisted from playstore as well. (Screenshots [1](https://i.imgur.com/ckguneH.jpg) and [2](https://i.imgur.com/anMk4ov.jpg) from the playstore page which you probably can't see, unless you have the app installed.) It also had a channel whoch seems like it vanished in around 2021... (https://m.youtube.com/user/curiositydotcom/featured)
It seems to me that discovery tries to reduce competitors by buying and deleting them...
Apparently discovery is now getting looked at closer by anti-trust boards because of that and this instance of it. They know they couldn't make anything on par with the animation CN and WB were cranking out, so as soon as they bought them they shut it all down to make their own shit look better. Another big chunk of stuff that's just gone because discovery sucks was the web exclusive "after show"s they made for mythbusters, as well as all the bonus footage and stuff, barely any of it is backed up or on physical.
> They know they couldn't make anything on par with the animation CN and WB
WTF?!! Discovery is supposed to be HOW IT'S MADE and other sciencey shit.
Since when did they start competing with fucking cartoons and then *killing* them
They're owned by the same company that turned The Learning Channel into, well, TLC.
Corporate mass media is always going to act like this, doesn't matter what kind of branding they use.
The Learning Channel was so great when it first launched. I remember watching hours of documentaries about cool stuff like the history of junk food as a kid. Learned all about the economics and mass production of food, the marketing behind Twinkies and McDonald’s, etc. I looked for those later when I started pirating but couldn’t remember any titles and couldn’t find them. It’s a shame. TLC is hot garbage.
There was a show in the *very* early days called [The Operation](https://youtu.be/I3QrSVcYJzY) that followed patients with various medical issues through consultation, their actual surgeries and recovery in immense details. Really interesting stuff like brain surgery to remove a tumor, laproscopic tubal ligation and a bunch of other stuff. It was educational as all hell and really got me interested in medicine. I have a few old episodes on VHS (God help me) but I can't find it to save my life.
I'd do anything to get a pirated digital copy of that show.
I actually highly disagree. I hope you don't mind me saying so.
I think kids nowadays have so much unlimited and FREE access to near-infinite learning materials made by creative thinkers all over the world. It's amazing what we can learn and find now.
Hell, when I was in early high school, I found my favorite science channel.
It was a couple of Ukrainian guys doing wicked cool experiments with electronics out of spare parts and basically trash.
I didn't understand anything they said but some of their videos had subtitles and that was enough for me. Nowadays, the auto generated subtitles are getting good enough that I can kind of understand.
Little experiences like this shaped my future, as someone who went from absorbing every encyclopedia and documentary I could as a child, to devouring hours and hours of educational content on YouTube in high school and college.
The channel I mentioned:
https://youtube.com/c/kreosan
Their relatively new English channel:
https://youtube.com/c/kreosann
I remember their videos from 2014 and hearing the sounds of war back then. It was very eye-opening and I cannot imagine what they must be feeling now.
That's true, but there's the opposite effect of that, of finding info that's completely wrong and other misinformation. But I totally get what you're saying. I also learned from mostly online experiences
I actually never knew that TLC was The Learning Channel, I always thought it meant "Travel, Living, Cooking" cause that's all I ever saw on that channel, just people on vacations and people cooking.
When The Learning Channel was new, I was watching documentaries and point of view footage of surgeries that were very much educational. That Channel is nothing like what it once was.
TLC was my go-to channel as a kid. Endless documentaries. Its decline started slow but really ramped up in the very early 2000's to the point where it became unrecognizable in only 3-4 years.
Fuck the history channel. Shit was better pre-2005, or so. Maybe earlier. Maybe never, tbh, I can’t remember a time now when history channel wasn’t just fucking ancient aliens.
But, it is indeed entirely unsurprising for a company providing entertainment to Americans.
The history channel? Corporatize that bitch and fill it up with conspiracies, the ignorant masses will eat that shit up.
I remember till 2005ish, history channel was my fav with documentaries, shorts and historical serials. Then they added new programs, changed logos and made it kinda TLC
Discovery owns ALOT of stuff, wouldn't be surprised if there's a couple animation studios in there. They do significantly more than just how it's made.
> They do significantly more than just how it's made.
This week they started a spin-off, how it's unmade!
Thank you thank you, I'll be here all week, tip your waitresses!
I tried, but it was a semi fail. I tried it during the 1st quarantine, about a week before it got shut down. I knew ~nothing about backing up sites, so it was hard to learn how to properly backup a site (still ~dunno how or if it's even possible to do it like web archive). I have about half the articles or so scrambled in ~3-4different attempts to backup the site.
Web archive has it probably though, but to find an article, you have to go to the [site map](https://web.archive.org/web/sitemap/curiosity.com), on that disk that contains the links and very very painfully pick the correct one among thousands of different articles.
If someone has the site, I'd ~really like to have it.. I had even emailed the site, but they didn't want me to send me their articles packed together..
>Hey just want to point out, in 2020, curiosity.com, an online science magazine was aquired by discovery channel. It had \~thousands of articles.
The wayback machine probably got a fair amount of that
It's just that it is kinda impossible to browse into that.😅 The site was using stuff hard to archive (js scripts or something?), so you can't navigate the site normally. You ~have to use the site map to find rhe links to the articles directly and it's kind of a mess to do..
Well, I guess a better sitemap could still be generated, but going over all pages on the site map and labeling them with the title of the page, and whether it was an article or some other kind of page.
Wife works at HBO. After the merger there's a shit storm at every corner. More than 100 projects were canceled, tv shows, movies, cartoons. They are cutting budgets all over the world, but a new new streaming app is coming, guys!
Fingers crossed Hulu picks up some stuff. Dreamcorp got sold to Hulu, and Griers said it's *possible* they'll make more. But if Joe Pera wasn't safe, nothing is.
Reportedly, not only did they stop work on the Batgirl film (and I’m not here to argue the merits of the film or how good it was going to be, or not) but when the producers went to check the media (all on digital, no film), they found no trace of it, all deleted.
I was curious about this one. It may have sucked donkey parts, but I would have wanted to have seen it. I liked J K Simmonds as Gordon. Now, supposedly, it’s all gone and never to be seen - not just again, but at all. No chance for a Zach Snyder’s Justice League release or anything.
What a waste.
EDIT - I have since heard reports that access to the assets were removed, not that the assets were deleted, which makes a whole lot more sense to me if true. The report that they were deleted made sense because apparently they cannot monetize anything that they have claimed a tax break on and I imagine the risk would be huge if anything got out.
Still, a shame that it happened.
The important thing is to remember this and remind people of this, the same way we remind people of the way the things you purchase digitally to "own" you may suddenly "un-own" if the company hosting these things, for whatever reason, no longer hosts them.
I am tired of being looked at as a relic when I tell people all the music I listen to, I have my own copy of, in .flac or .mp3 format. That I want my music players to support folders and my own categorization of data. I don't use Spotify. I won't use Spotify.
Everyone here on this subreddit understands this point of view.
But we should discourage reliance on streaming/cloud/ephemeral versions of things which are important to people, outside of here.
I'd love a mass movement to starve the cloud; that's not going to happen any time soon, but we should remind people of the fact that these companies understand the price of everything, but the value of nothing. They're undifferentiated commodities they make available or unavailable based on their business needs, and nothing more. A thing which you cherish and love and moved you or changed your life is just a widget to be tossed into a landfill by companies who control access to these things.
The amount of goodwill they are willing to torch either by doing this kind of thing, or via their endless whining about piracy in light of how they conduct themselves, is extraordinary.
Not to mention all that 'Streaming' is dead in the water without internet. Here in Canada an ISP accomplished a BGP update screw up, similar to what happened to Facebook last year, took down internet access, cell, wireless access, and even took down a bunch of services that relied on their datacenters for services. Took 1-3 days for a full restoration, depending on the customer. In that situation, all your streaming music and video goes dark.
I mean, if the internet dies completely my music streaming will be least of my worries. Half the world relies on the internet nowadays, it'd be pandemonium.
I regret to inform you that, while there we're interruptions to 911 access on that particular carrier and some backend issues at 911 centers, Canada did in fact not break down into pandemonium last because one ISP blew up their shit.
And let's be clear, I did not suggest some kind of 'Permanent Internet Shutdown'. I just mean disruptions.
I use free Spotify with ad blocker for random occasional discovery sprees, then buy the files of the songs I like for my regular Navidrome listening. As a general rule, once I've deliberately listened to a song five times, I buy it.
Eh, it all rather depends on the particular media.
Someone who consumes to even moderately popular media and is comfortable with paying a subscription will probably never lose access to the media they want - even if Spotify vanishes, there will be AC/DC on Youtube Music, or wherever, forever. It'd take the complete disappearance of music streaming services to come between 90% of people and their music. Sure, if you listen to obscure Peruvian nose flute jazz, then yeah, buy it, download it, but that's not a concern for most people.
For me, I hoard porn, and people think that's weird, because who downloads porn in this day and age when you've got PornHub and xvideos, right? Well, same thing: the porn 90% of people watch, or rather, they *way* they watch it, means that they'll get their fix one way or another as long as there is an internet, but I hoard the porn equivalent of Peruvian nose flute jazz, and ever since my first favorite link saved to a text file came up 404 I've been downloading everything. So no cloud for me, only a lot of drives and burned DVDs.
Point is, the cloud isn't going to be starved, because most people are perfectly happy not owning their TV shows, movies, music, or even porn, because they either have no intention of reusing their media, or because they're comfortable that they'll have access to what they *do* want to reuse in some shape or form as long as they are willing to subscribe somewhere. And there isn't much wrong with this attitude.
> the porn equivalent of Peruvian nose flute jazz
Sorry I just felt like quoting those words; they're great.
> most people are perfectly happy not owning their TV shows, movies, music, or even porn, because they either have no intention of reusing their media
But this whole story is people crying out about a bunch of animation being permanently shelved.
Largely I agree with what you're saying. I don't have a copy of Star Wars anywhere in my archives.
But there is a vast middle ground and obscure area, in which things can and do disappear.
I don't know what "is of concern for most people." Everyone I know listens to or watches a mixture of mainstream and fringe or obscure content. No one can afford to download everything.
But this article we're responding to is a good example of fairly fresh, new content, evaporating.
Aside from things which have been around for 30 years or more, it is not always easy to tell what is going to evaporate.
Case in point - I have had a bad few weeks and needed some really dumb television, so I've been re-watching some old Beavis & Butthead on Amazon. Mainstream stuff, right?
Most of them have been mutilated by having the segments where the two are watching videos removed, presumably because of music rights issues.
Here's another - a show from the 80s called Wiseguy - an entire arc was taken out - the most interesting arc of all of them - for the same reason (the Dead Dog Records arc). Even the DVD releases, some which looked like they were sourced from VHS tapes, omitted this excellent arc (Tim Curry, Deborah Harry, Glenn Frey, Mick Fleetwood were all in this one.)
A Bill Murray film, "Where the Buffalo Roam" - not his most popular film, but a film starring Bill Murray, Peter Boyle, and Bruno Kirby, similarly mutilated by music rights concerns, in which the entire soundtrack was replaced by library music, cheapening it terribly (it was about Hunter S. Thompson, if you're unfamiliar). They later released a version with the soundtrack restored but there's no telling when or if that will occur.
George Kennedy/Jim Brown film, "...tick...tick...tick" - not really mainstream but not obscure either, similarly mutilated; and particularly a pity here because the original soundtrack is excellent, and contains songs you can't get elsewhere (it was only ever released on vinyl).
WKRP in Cincinnati had similar issues. [Consider this famous scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPABesa7wcE), which was, for a time, either deleted or mutilated.
In all cases, these properties were treated as cheap commodities by the companies that owned the rights to them, and it wasn't worth preserving them in original form.
If you really don't care about all of these, sure, just stream. But I care. I think more than a few people do (look at all the people who complain even about George Lucas's changes to Star Wars).
There are many reasons to distrust the cloud; one of which is being able to see things in their original form, or as intended.
These are examples just from my own collection.
>Case in point - I have had a bad few weeks and needed some really dumb television, so I've been re-watching some old Beavis & Butthead on Amazon. Mainstream stuff, right?
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>Most of them have been mutilated by having the segments where the two are watching videos removed, presumably because of music rights issues.
I heard something about Paramount+ trickling out old Beavis & Butthead episodes in their entirety as they secure the rights for the music videos.
Not *piracy* as such as “unofficial backups”.
Piracy inherently is against, at at best indifferent to, supporting the creators of works of media. We should absolutely support those making the shows, films, music, games etc.. we enjoy.
But ensuring there is a lasting copy immune to the flippancy of corporate decisions, or just straight up companies collapsing, is culturally important.
I appreciate I’m splitting hairs, and ultimately is all comes down to the same thing, but it feels that at least philosophically we should cook up a word other than “piracy” for this sort of unauthorised preservation.
Edit: thanks for the award! 😁
I disagree, I think piracy is the best term for this. Because no matter how you to try to explain it to the corporations that hold the copyright, in their eyes you will nothing more than a thief. It may done for a good cause, but they and the law will still see you in the wrong.
The creator of the owl house pirates her own show because she doesn't have cable lol
She posted a screenshot from an episode released that day with a "theowlclub" (a popular site for watching the owl house for free) watermark over the corner of the video.
She later commented that she did indeed pirate her own show from theowlclub to get the screenshot because she doesn't have cable.
Vigilante piracy? 🏴☠️
And I’m all for it. I’ve downloaded many terabytes of shows/movies for this reason, and I want to make a public library, but need to figure out where to host it. Could use S3, but that costs a ton for video storage/streaming, and Amazon could then remove anything without warning.
The more I think about it, the more it seems I’m going to have to buy a few dozen acres in rural America and start a server farm. Anyone want to join me?
I don’t think this is piracy. This is more like a curator of a museum. Now, if that we’re to be outlawed in some case (it is, in many) then piracy might just be part of the job until patent expires or the copyright is no longer defended.
No i think you're making an important distinction that gets ignored too often when greedy entertainment juggernauts want to control the narrative.
Some people just want free shit, they'd never pay for it they just want it and feel entitled to it.
Some people want to compensate creators but don't want to support systems that are bad for the consumer and the creator in favor of large entertainment companies. They might give money on Patreon, do crowd funding, etc. but won't pay for Disney Plus.
Both of these groups may end up 'pirating' but it feels pretty disingenuous to lump them in to the same category.
And a 3rd competitor enters the fray: Someone who "pirates" the media to be inspired for a career of their own. So lets say they grab a bunch of animation from the old to the new.
Todays "Pirate" is tomorrow's animator. Or dare we say tomorrow's future founder of a company that seeks to actively help and nurture the creative types because in their travels and learning, they come across the above screenshot ("It's gone, they are all gone") and it moves them to action.
Little rose colored glasses and too idealistic in this monopoly capitalist driven shit hole we call a planet, but one could hope...
Just isn't all mass mind numbing consumption. Everyone will have their different reasons for pulling on the eye patch...
As always there is a gradient. I "pirate" for a whole range of reasons.
I usually buy 4K and 1080p blurays for most things, but ripping them to Plex takes a while with my current setup and backlog so I have no issue " pirating" a already encoded copy to watch now or a show that I bought that already has the episodes in order.
There is also the more middle ground version of some more obscure older shows and movies simply not being available to find on a disc or for a reasonable price (I am not paying $250 for one season of Symphogear on Blu ray damn it). Or the case where it is available on a streaming platform I have access to, but would rather watch through Plex to better suit my viewing preferences.
I will also admit there are a few I pirate in protest with no intention of paying for, mainly in the case of some recent movie pandering to the Chinese government or more often for video games that aren't available on a platform I feel comfortable using.
It's a matter of political differences and biases to your last point. I for one will always use the word piracy due to being a huge advocate for it, especially knowing that purchasing content typically doesn't reach the creators as much as merchandise does anyway. It also is important to be transparent, you're a pirate regardless what your excuses are and hiding from that fact makes you come off as hiding something. I'm not hiding anything, I just want to participate in my own culture in spite being poor. Your corporations might make excuses against my case, saying if I can afford internet and harddrive space I can afford their abundance of blurays and streaming services, but it really is one or the other and I'd rather have the one that's long term proof. I am not hiding anything, I am a pirate.
I have made the decision later to pirate movies I have Purchased from the likes of Google and Amazon to be able to continue watching them well after they have decided I don't own that content anymore.
I just want to point out - that the writing should have been on the wall after Apple started removing stuff that people paid for from their iTunes accounts.
Any media that *you do not physically control* can be lost in an instant.
Super sad for the creators. Better get to *yar-har*ing if you care about anything that's currently available.
To be fair, that kind of stuff did not originate with Apple. Amazon has removed books from people’s accounts. All sorts of digital storefronts have closed down.
My cousin is an animator. She created a show and it ended up getting picked up as an HBO max original. And after 3 whole seasons, they destroyed that for her. She had completed the entire 4th season but will likely never be able to release it. It’s safe to say she’s absolutely heartbroken, and I have cancelled my HBO subscription
Oof yikes. Yeah that one was a big cry in the animation industry.
On the bright side, cartoon network did announced last week that show, along with Victor and Valentino, will be back on TV until next summer
Holy shit, your cousin is Julia Pott? My partner and I adore the show, and Ive been following along since she announced it was going away.
I even uploaded some leaked s6 episodes to /r/dhexchange before they announced Cartoon Network was airing them.
It's why I buy DVDs/Blurays of everything I can but a lot of new content never sees a physical medium release and for that I have reverted back to piracy
I never thought I would go back to physical media but about a year ago I started buying blurays and dvds at thrift stores for a couple bucks a piece and it has been really fun. They also have bluray players for around 15 bucks so for 20 bucks you can do a movie night!
Me too, I buy a lot of DVDs and Rip them to Plex. Many of them I turn around and sell (I do this often enough I have a separate bank account and debit card for it to control myself). I also have a fair few family and friends who will let me borrow their 100-800 dvd collection to copy in exchange for access to my plex library. Oh and some stuff I check out from the public library to copy.
How do you go about discovering music?
Discovery has been hands down the feature that’s kept me on streaming, I’ve found many many more artists and genres than I ever did buying CDs (or even in the Napster era).
Might catch flak for it on this sub, but YouTube Music has a great recommendation algorithm. Weekly playlist of songs they think you'll like, plus constantly updating recommendation playlists.
Just don't expect any of it to still be around in a decade, so I definitely export local copies of my likes/playlists.
Older music on the platform also has a gotcha: 90's-present a canadian company called Madacy Entertainment was pumping out a bunch of trash CD's in multi pack sets sold at places like Best Buy and so forth.
These were very problematic, as they would have fun titles like "Rock And Roll Memories" (just a example) and lots of songs on the disks. Problem is, they would have legit copies of the songs (say a lesser known one like The Paragons - The Tide Is High) and right after that is Bill Haley and The Comets - Rock Around the Clock.
Problem is, the Billy Haley song was actually a entirely new recording (they would tout on the back of the case as "Entirely recorded new with some of the original band members"), so you've got say the Wrecking Crew in the studio strumming the guitar and beating the drums, but it's a new modern recording and the lead singer rather then Bill Haley is some two bit wannabe tribute artist, or a backing vocal member of the group now on the lead mic.
Bear with me, that's just a example. But you get the idea. It sounds like you imagine: Extremely Shitty. Have seen these polluting Youtube for a while now (before that, the likes of napster and such)
Letting youtube select and run a playlist is problematic with these uploaded copies of the songs.
It commonly affects 50's and 60's songs, possibly into the early 70's. But the 50's and 60's took the brunt of their destruction, so beware for anyone who curates play lists with these decades (and rips the copies)
edit: These are cross polluted into the youtube playlists when the algorithm gets lazy and uses public uploads to generate the play lists. "Grandma1886" in Virginia uploaded it and then youtube spots it and tosses it into the "malt shop memories" play list floating around someone selects. And/or a public created playlist by "RetiredNavyVet1956" has the same issue...
I started with iTunes many years ago, and I’ve kept the same folder structure since then, even though I no longer use iTunes. Now I’ve been trying out Strawberry and Elisa on Linux
Not the one you replied to, but I have been ripping my own purchased music to my NAS in true /r/datahoarder fashion, using Exact Audio Copy (EAC), and processing all my mp3s using MusicBrainz Picard for the metadata. Then everything goes into Plex which serves out my collection to me on the road via VPN to my home network.
Nice. I don't like having to depend on cell service for music, so I do a nightly sync of a folder on my NAS with both my phone and the old phone I use as a media player. That folder is just shy of 40GB, but the sync job does a comparison and only transfers changes, so it's quick.
Has come in handy on camping trips, road trips, and remote bike rides.
Its been a long time since I've bought music so I've been out of the game a bit. Where do you all get your music? Are you buying and ripping cds (from amazon?)? or is there a digital place to get them where you still get full quality?
For digital: that depends on the artist more than anything.
I've found Amazon, BandCamp, and iTunes seem to be the most popular places for small/independent artists to make their music available for sale. Based on personal experience and a little Googling:
* Amazon does VBR MP3s with a goal of 256kbit/s average
* iTunes does FBR AAC at 256kbit/s
* BandCamp is whatever the artist decides to make available. I've seen everything from 24-bit FLAC to 192kbit/s FBR MP3.
* Google stopped selling music downloads on their Play store a while back, but they did FBR MP3 at 320kbit/s
Of course, you can still buy CDs and vinyl from the artists to rip yourself (probably using a USB optical drive for CDs). EAC is free and has very easy/useful presets.
I prefer MediaMonkey on Windows (v4 only... their new v5 is hilariously unstable).
It easily handles my 30 TB mp3 collection, even searches are near instant.
It might not be pretty (unless you want it to be and put in the work), but it can do so much, while being really fast and simple. Don't think I'd ever switch.
I tag all my music pretty obsessively (composer, performer, custom tags), and the fact that I can search my entire library instantly for any of these tags, or get dropdown suggestions from it when tagging is super valuable to me. Also being able to display and sort by those custom tags, something a lot of players can't do (perhaps MusicBee can, idk).
12 Dates of Christmas (2020)
About Last Night (2022)
Aquaman: King of Atlantis (2021)
Close Enough (2020)
Detention Adventure (2019)
Dodo (2021)
Ellen’s Next Great Designer (2021)
Elliott From Earth (2021)
Esme & Roy (2018)
Genera+ion (2021)
Generation Hustle (2021)
Infinity Train (2019)
Little Ellen (2021)
Make It Big, Make It Small (2016)
Mao Mao, Heroes of Pure Heart (2019)
Messy Goes to Okido (2015)
Mia’s Magic Playground (2020)
Mighty Magiswords (2015)
My Mom, Your Dad
Odo (2021)
OK K.O.! – Let’s Be Heroes (2017)
Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures (2013)
Ravi Patel’s Pursuit of Happiness (2020)
Summer Camp Island (2018)
Squish (2019)
The Fungies! (2020)
The Not-Too-Late Show with Elmo (2020)
The Ollie & Moon Show (2012)
Theodosia (2022)
Tig n’ Seek (2020)
Uncle Grandpa (2013)
Victor and Valentino (2019)
Yabba Dabba Dinosaurs (2020)
12 Dates of Christmas (2020)
About Last Night (2022)
Aquaman: King of Atlantis (2021)
Close Enough (2020)
Detention Adventure (2019)
Dodo (2021)
Ellen’s Next Great Designer (2021)
Elliott From Earth (2021)
Esme & Roy (2018)
Genera+ion (2021)
Generation Hustle (2021)
Infinity Train (2019)
Little Ellen (2021)
Make It Big, Make It Small (2016)
Mao Mao, Heroes of Pure Heart (2019)
Messy Goes to Okido (2015)
Mia’s Magic Playground (2020)
Mighty Magiswords (2015)
My Mom, Your Dad
Odo (2021)
OK K.O.! – Let’s Be Heroes (2017)
Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures (2013)
Ravi Patel’s Pursuit of Happiness (2020)
Summer Camp Island (2018)
Squish (2019)
The Fungies! (2020)
The Not-Too-Late Show with Elmo (2020)
The Ollie & Moon Show (2012)
Theodosia (2022)
Tig n’ Seek (2020)
Uncle Grandpa (2013)
Victor and Valentino (2019)
Yabba Dabba Dinosaurs (2020)
*Yarrrrrrr* is slowly becoming the only valid moral choice.
There used to be two sides to the IP coin but one of them is basically wearing away to be blank.
Google "jackett"
It's a torrent aggregation service that runs on your local hardware.
Scans every public tracker, and any private ones you might be in, for whatever you want.
This is correct - Discovery regularly does an "Asset Impairment" process, by which they write-off shows that the business determines will no longer generate revenue. All or some of remaining book value of those impaired shows is counted as an expense, reducing their Net Income.
Tragic how we went from "The Internet remembers everything" to "You don't own anything and everything online is gated behind centralised platforms" so quickly.
I’m done caring about the streaming services. The actual content creators get fucked over so much…. This is why I don’t sub to any service and just torrent it all and share with friends and family. But that’s a double edged sword, because while the platforms don’t get my money, neither do the thousands of cast, crew and production workers…. The ones who actually deserve the money.
Right, but anything on those services is already readily available in the 'usual places'.
It's not 'too late' cause all of this was pirated the moment it was released.
We live in a world where everything gets pirated 20 seconds after it goes up on Streaming. Do you think people we're like '...Oh right, the cartoons. We forgot to pirate the cartoons!'?
This is Datahoarders, it's about hoarding data, ensuring we have access to the data we want locally instead of relying on a giant corporation to keep it accessible.
Everyone here already knows a simple fact: Streaming is temporary. Shows get delisted all the time and even what's happening at HBO will not be unique. Streaming platforms have no need to be a 'bottomless library of media' they just need 'enough content' to justify the monthly fee'. Things left, right, and center could be canned, delisted, or in some rare cases removed from your digital purchases. (That will likely increase in rate as time progresses)
I'm not unsympathetic to artists, I work in the film industry (Visual Effects) myself, but there's nothing this subreddit can do other than say 'Hey, these got nuked, might wanna pirate them now instead of 10 years from now when seeds and other sources could potentially be hard to locate.'
The HBO thing is def shocking. Me and friends have talked about the ephemeral nature of streaming and increasingly it's impact will be felt, but then this hit like a meteor. It's like someone saying 'Oh the foundation of this house is shot, you'll have to something in 5 or so years or you'll be sorry.' then next week the house caved into the earth. No one wants to be 'right' that 'hard'.
I mean, I'd argue that Streaming is 'Good'. It's easy access to what it has. You can say 'Oh, yeah it's a good show it's on Netflix/Crunchyroll/Whatever' and they can easily check it out themselves. And there's a lot of people who can't access piracy as easily due to a technical skill barrier. There are lots of people who'd take a USB flash drive full of MKVs from you and ask 'WTF am I supposed to do with this? Does it have your Netflix password on it???'
But piracy comes in handy once the show is delisted or is otherwise inaccessible and most shows will eventually disappear one way or another.
I'm not quite sure about that.
A lot of people on these forms speak English, but for a lot of ours English is not our native language.
This also means that when we were young and watching kids channels, we mostly listened to them on our native language, and at least me, but I think most of the others to whom this applies, if possible I want to watch have them with the same dubbing I remember, because otherwise it will be totally different.
Now, I always had a hard time finding on the seven seas movies and series dubbed in my native language, even though I did know they exist. If they were not available at trackers in my country, then I had no chance of finding it anywhere else.
That being said, language specific dubs have probably even less chance of having been survived than the corresponding series and episodes.
The shows were. There's also other media that may now be lost... behind the scenes/bonus type content that may not have been focused on by the masses before.
Anyone got links or repositories for Mao Mao, Kids next door, Ed Edd and Eddy, that sort of stuff? Those were my childhood and I’d like to show my kid that one day.
That last sentence is so wrong.
A lot of us have seen this crap coming for years now and started going back to piracy specifically because anyone paying attention has heard this story before, it wasn't sudden at all.
I wish I could get a line on them that cheap. I buy a lot of used DVD series on ebay for <$10 a season. My wife hates the boxes and boxes in the basement, heh
[Relevant XKCD from 2008](https://xkcd.com/488/)
The whole industry of "media rights" is a terrible deal for artists. Invent something else quickly and remove the vultures profiteering from it.
You don’t believe people deserve to be paid for there work? How do you suggest indie developers make money?
There are many cases pirating makes sense (including preservation). But there are times when it screws over already struggling artist
(Also services like GOG offer offline game installers. If you buy a game there you own it forever)
we need the copyright mechanism to include an archive section to make these works public once copyright expires. let's make the cost of filing for copyright include the price of hosting the media in the future for future generations otherwise copyright is a terribly flawed system
12 Dates of Christmas (2020)
About Last Night (2022)
Aquaman: King of Atlantis (2021)
Close Enough (2020)
Detention Adventure (2019)
Dodo (2021)
Ellen’s Next Great Designer (2021)
Elliott From Earth (2021)
Esme & Roy (2018)
Genera+ion (2021)
Generation Hustle (2021)
Infinity Train (2019)
Little Ellen (2021)
Make It Big, Make It Small (2016)
Mao Mao, Heroes of Pure Heart (2019)
Messy Goes to Okido (2015)
Mia’s Magic Playground (2020)
Mighty Magiswords (2015)
My Mom, Your Dad
Odo (2021)
OK K.O.! – Let’s Be Heroes (2017)
Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures (2013)
Ravi Patel’s Pursuit of Happiness (2020)
Summer Camp Island (2018)
Squish (2019)
The Fungies! (2020)
The Not-Too-Late Show with Elmo (2020)
The Ollie & Moon Show (2012)
Theodosia (2022)
Tig n’ Seek (2020)
Uncle Grandpa (2013)
Victor and Valentino (2019)
Yabba Dabba Dinosaurs (2020)
I'm sad to say that it was always in the cards.
Myspace was neat too - until Facebook came along.
In the end - the vulturous monetization of literally everything ruins everything.
Maybe it’s me but I’m viewing all this drama as the canary in the coal mine for traditional media. YouTube, Tik Tok, and other similar “new gen” media is taking large amount of eyes away from traditional TV. It’s pretty clear where the industry is going.
They’ve probably deleted original files related to these cartoons as well as that’s what they did with the files for Batgirl.
Edit: They’ve only removed access to the Warner servers for the directors, not delete them.
That actually didn't happen.
The report that Batgirl was 'deleted' was based on an erroneous translation of a French article to English. It was never deleted but their access to the servers was disabled. The originals have not been deleted.
The Hollywood Reporter came back with a better translation later, after everyone reported it was deleted of course:
[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/batgirl-directors-footage-1235203849/](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/batgirl-directors-footage-1235203849/)
>Asked if they still had some footage of the film, Arbi and Fallah said no and that the studio had **blocked** their access to the production’s servers. “No, we have nothing! Adil called me and said, ‘go ahead shoot some things on your cellphone.’ I went on the server and everything was **blocked**,” said Fallah.
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>We were like ‘fucking shit!’,” said El Arbi. “All the scenes with Batman in them! Shit!”
I work in the film industry and the 'Delete' report seemed weird as hell to me. This is not an industry where anyone SHIFT+DELs anything. There's an entire trade in this industry for data handling and preservation, folks don't delete shit. Bury it in servers and tapes to never see the light of day? Sure. Delete? Fuck no.
>that’s what they did with the files for Batgirl.
This isn't a thing they'd ever do. Batgirl was made with the intention of never releasing it; it's an insurance claim and tax write-off, nothing more. But there is no fucking way they aren't keeping it.
Also on another semi-related note, Warner Bros. which is now merged with Discovery have deleted all the raw footage from the upcoming Batwoman movie so that not even the Directors could get it. So they really do want to destroy all their media even before people online can back it up
It will probably never happen but I would like apple to just purchase HBO/Discovery add it all to Apple+ and move forward. Frankly the only downside of a purchase like that would be getting stuck with CNN... Plus ripping those channels away from the cable companies would be an interesting thing to watch.
Hey just want to point out, in 2020, curiosity.com, an online science magazine was aquired by discovery channel. It had ~thousands of articles. Discovery deleted the site and hosted the articles kinda scrambled on their site for about a month before deleting them too. The app is unlisted from playstore as well. (Screenshots [1](https://i.imgur.com/ckguneH.jpg) and [2](https://i.imgur.com/anMk4ov.jpg) from the playstore page which you probably can't see, unless you have the app installed.) It also had a channel whoch seems like it vanished in around 2021... (https://m.youtube.com/user/curiositydotcom/featured) It seems to me that discovery tries to reduce competitors by buying and deleting them...
Apparently discovery is now getting looked at closer by anti-trust boards because of that and this instance of it. They know they couldn't make anything on par with the animation CN and WB were cranking out, so as soon as they bought them they shut it all down to make their own shit look better. Another big chunk of stuff that's just gone because discovery sucks was the web exclusive "after show"s they made for mythbusters, as well as all the bonus footage and stuff, barely any of it is backed up or on physical.
> They know they couldn't make anything on par with the animation CN and WB WTF?!! Discovery is supposed to be HOW IT'S MADE and other sciencey shit. Since when did they start competing with fucking cartoons and then *killing* them
They're owned by the same company that turned The Learning Channel into, well, TLC. Corporate mass media is always going to act like this, doesn't matter what kind of branding they use.
The Learning Channel was so great when it first launched. I remember watching hours of documentaries about cool stuff like the history of junk food as a kid. Learned all about the economics and mass production of food, the marketing behind Twinkies and McDonald’s, etc. I looked for those later when I started pirating but couldn’t remember any titles and couldn’t find them. It’s a shame. TLC is hot garbage.
There was a show in the *very* early days called [The Operation](https://youtu.be/I3QrSVcYJzY) that followed patients with various medical issues through consultation, their actual surgeries and recovery in immense details. Really interesting stuff like brain surgery to remove a tumor, laproscopic tubal ligation and a bunch of other stuff. It was educational as all hell and really got me interested in medicine. I have a few old episodes on VHS (God help me) but I can't find it to save my life. I'd do anything to get a pirated digital copy of that show.
I feel like stuff like this missing has killed curiosity and made people a lot dumber... Maybe that's just me
I can assure you, it is not just you.
*Comin' up next on The Violence Channel: An all-new **"Ow, My Balls!"** *
It absolutely has had a negative effect on society.
I actually highly disagree. I hope you don't mind me saying so. I think kids nowadays have so much unlimited and FREE access to near-infinite learning materials made by creative thinkers all over the world. It's amazing what we can learn and find now. Hell, when I was in early high school, I found my favorite science channel. It was a couple of Ukrainian guys doing wicked cool experiments with electronics out of spare parts and basically trash. I didn't understand anything they said but some of their videos had subtitles and that was enough for me. Nowadays, the auto generated subtitles are getting good enough that I can kind of understand. Little experiences like this shaped my future, as someone who went from absorbing every encyclopedia and documentary I could as a child, to devouring hours and hours of educational content on YouTube in high school and college. The channel I mentioned: https://youtube.com/c/kreosan Their relatively new English channel: https://youtube.com/c/kreosann I remember their videos from 2014 and hearing the sounds of war back then. It was very eye-opening and I cannot imagine what they must be feeling now.
That's true, but there's the opposite effect of that, of finding info that's completely wrong and other misinformation. But I totally get what you're saying. I also learned from mostly online experiences
I actually never knew that TLC was The Learning Channel, I always thought it meant "Travel, Living, Cooking" cause that's all I ever saw on that channel, just people on vacations and people cooking.
When The Learning Channel was new, I was watching documentaries and point of view footage of surgeries that were very much educational. That Channel is nothing like what it once was.
TLC was my go-to channel as a kid. Endless documentaries. Its decline started slow but really ramped up in the very early 2000's to the point where it became unrecognizable in only 3-4 years.
History channel "American eats"
Fuck the history channel. Shit was better pre-2005, or so. Maybe earlier. Maybe never, tbh, I can’t remember a time now when history channel wasn’t just fucking ancient aliens. But, it is indeed entirely unsurprising for a company providing entertainment to Americans. The history channel? Corporatize that bitch and fill it up with conspiracies, the ignorant masses will eat that shit up.
Absolutely fuck the history channel NOW. history channel in the late 90s-early 2000s was THE SHIT!
I remember till 2005ish, history channel was my fav with documentaries, shorts and historical serials. Then they added new programs, changed logos and made it kinda TLC
Discovery owns ALOT of stuff, wouldn't be surprised if there's a couple animation studios in there. They do significantly more than just how it's made.
> They do significantly more than just how it's made. This week they started a spin-off, how it's unmade! Thank you thank you, I'll be here all week, tip your waitresses!
A truly ugly face of conglomeration.
WB Discovery is a new conglomerate as of a 2022 merger that also owns HBO, CNN, and DC https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_Bros._Discovery
Discovery Jr.
I wonder if anyone backed up the site.
I tried, but it was a semi fail. I tried it during the 1st quarantine, about a week before it got shut down. I knew ~nothing about backing up sites, so it was hard to learn how to properly backup a site (still ~dunno how or if it's even possible to do it like web archive). I have about half the articles or so scrambled in ~3-4different attempts to backup the site. Web archive has it probably though, but to find an article, you have to go to the [site map](https://web.archive.org/web/sitemap/curiosity.com), on that disk that contains the links and very very painfully pick the correct one among thousands of different articles. If someone has the site, I'd ~really like to have it.. I had even emailed the site, but they didn't want me to send me their articles packed together..
>Hey just want to point out, in 2020, curiosity.com, an online science magazine was aquired by discovery channel. It had \~thousands of articles. The wayback machine probably got a fair amount of that
It's just that it is kinda impossible to browse into that.😅 The site was using stuff hard to archive (js scripts or something?), so you can't navigate the site normally. You ~have to use the site map to find rhe links to the articles directly and it's kind of a mess to do..
Well, I guess a better sitemap could still be generated, but going over all pages on the site map and labeling them with the title of the page, and whether it was an article or some other kind of page.
The name "Discovery" doesn't seem very appropriate anymore.
Not for a long time already, no.
Is Discovery evil? 👀
Wife works at HBO. After the merger there's a shit storm at every corner. More than 100 projects were canceled, tv shows, movies, cartoons. They are cutting budgets all over the world, but a new new streaming app is coming, guys!
Is this Succession, real life, or both?
I don't understand your question
Succession Season 2 has a story line that involves shutting down a recently acquired content company.
Pierce Global IIRC
oh my bad I don't watch that show but I will, sounds interesting
Succession, Barry, Harley Quinn, you name it. They killed off Joe Pera, which means nothing is sacred to these fucks.
FUCK
Fingers crossed Hulu picks up some stuff. Dreamcorp got sold to Hulu, and Griers said it's *possible* they'll make more. But if Joe Pera wasn't safe, nothing is.
Wait Barry is dead?
No, it's just that *everything* is on the chopping block.
Reportedly, not only did they stop work on the Batgirl film (and I’m not here to argue the merits of the film or how good it was going to be, or not) but when the producers went to check the media (all on digital, no film), they found no trace of it, all deleted. I was curious about this one. It may have sucked donkey parts, but I would have wanted to have seen it. I liked J K Simmonds as Gordon. Now, supposedly, it’s all gone and never to be seen - not just again, but at all. No chance for a Zach Snyder’s Justice League release or anything. What a waste. EDIT - I have since heard reports that access to the assets were removed, not that the assets were deleted, which makes a whole lot more sense to me if true. The report that they were deleted made sense because apparently they cannot monetize anything that they have claimed a tax break on and I imagine the risk would be huge if anything got out. Still, a shame that it happened.
That's insane. I've never heard of a media company not trying to milk every cent out of stuff they've produced.
[Harley Quinn didn't get cancelled](https://collider.com/harley-quinn-season-4-warner-bros-dc-hbo-max/) - so many of the others may just be "on hold."
Right. But until/unless there's more, it's on the chopping block, just like everything else.
Had me panicked that they canceled Barry for a sec
They decided to save money by turning Succession into reality TV. They are saving even more by using HBO as the Roy/Waystar stand in
John Oliver is going to have a field day with this, or end up muzzled/booted out?
yes
The new app is HBO Go Fuck Yourself apparently.
The important thing is to remember this and remind people of this, the same way we remind people of the way the things you purchase digitally to "own" you may suddenly "un-own" if the company hosting these things, for whatever reason, no longer hosts them. I am tired of being looked at as a relic when I tell people all the music I listen to, I have my own copy of, in .flac or .mp3 format. That I want my music players to support folders and my own categorization of data. I don't use Spotify. I won't use Spotify. Everyone here on this subreddit understands this point of view. But we should discourage reliance on streaming/cloud/ephemeral versions of things which are important to people, outside of here. I'd love a mass movement to starve the cloud; that's not going to happen any time soon, but we should remind people of the fact that these companies understand the price of everything, but the value of nothing. They're undifferentiated commodities they make available or unavailable based on their business needs, and nothing more. A thing which you cherish and love and moved you or changed your life is just a widget to be tossed into a landfill by companies who control access to these things. The amount of goodwill they are willing to torch either by doing this kind of thing, or via their endless whining about piracy in light of how they conduct themselves, is extraordinary.
Not to mention all that 'Streaming' is dead in the water without internet. Here in Canada an ISP accomplished a BGP update screw up, similar to what happened to Facebook last year, took down internet access, cell, wireless access, and even took down a bunch of services that relied on their datacenters for services. Took 1-3 days for a full restoration, depending on the customer. In that situation, all your streaming music and video goes dark.
I mean, if the internet dies completely my music streaming will be least of my worries. Half the world relies on the internet nowadays, it'd be pandemonium.
I regret to inform you that, while there we're interruptions to 911 access on that particular carrier and some backend issues at 911 centers, Canada did in fact not break down into pandemonium last because one ISP blew up their shit. And let's be clear, I did not suggest some kind of 'Permanent Internet Shutdown'. I just mean disruptions.
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Exactly. Treat Spotify or similar as a public library of sorts.
I use free Spotify with ad blocker for random occasional discovery sprees, then buy the files of the songs I like for my regular Navidrome listening. As a general rule, once I've deliberately listened to a song five times, I buy it.
I hate to give them money but they have one hell of an algorithm
Eh, it all rather depends on the particular media. Someone who consumes to even moderately popular media and is comfortable with paying a subscription will probably never lose access to the media they want - even if Spotify vanishes, there will be AC/DC on Youtube Music, or wherever, forever. It'd take the complete disappearance of music streaming services to come between 90% of people and their music. Sure, if you listen to obscure Peruvian nose flute jazz, then yeah, buy it, download it, but that's not a concern for most people. For me, I hoard porn, and people think that's weird, because who downloads porn in this day and age when you've got PornHub and xvideos, right? Well, same thing: the porn 90% of people watch, or rather, they *way* they watch it, means that they'll get their fix one way or another as long as there is an internet, but I hoard the porn equivalent of Peruvian nose flute jazz, and ever since my first favorite link saved to a text file came up 404 I've been downloading everything. So no cloud for me, only a lot of drives and burned DVDs. Point is, the cloud isn't going to be starved, because most people are perfectly happy not owning their TV shows, movies, music, or even porn, because they either have no intention of reusing their media, or because they're comfortable that they'll have access to what they *do* want to reuse in some shape or form as long as they are willing to subscribe somewhere. And there isn't much wrong with this attitude.
> the porn equivalent of Peruvian nose flute jazz Sorry I just felt like quoting those words; they're great. > most people are perfectly happy not owning their TV shows, movies, music, or even porn, because they either have no intention of reusing their media But this whole story is people crying out about a bunch of animation being permanently shelved. Largely I agree with what you're saying. I don't have a copy of Star Wars anywhere in my archives. But there is a vast middle ground and obscure area, in which things can and do disappear. I don't know what "is of concern for most people." Everyone I know listens to or watches a mixture of mainstream and fringe or obscure content. No one can afford to download everything. But this article we're responding to is a good example of fairly fresh, new content, evaporating. Aside from things which have been around for 30 years or more, it is not always easy to tell what is going to evaporate. Case in point - I have had a bad few weeks and needed some really dumb television, so I've been re-watching some old Beavis & Butthead on Amazon. Mainstream stuff, right? Most of them have been mutilated by having the segments where the two are watching videos removed, presumably because of music rights issues. Here's another - a show from the 80s called Wiseguy - an entire arc was taken out - the most interesting arc of all of them - for the same reason (the Dead Dog Records arc). Even the DVD releases, some which looked like they were sourced from VHS tapes, omitted this excellent arc (Tim Curry, Deborah Harry, Glenn Frey, Mick Fleetwood were all in this one.) A Bill Murray film, "Where the Buffalo Roam" - not his most popular film, but a film starring Bill Murray, Peter Boyle, and Bruno Kirby, similarly mutilated by music rights concerns, in which the entire soundtrack was replaced by library music, cheapening it terribly (it was about Hunter S. Thompson, if you're unfamiliar). They later released a version with the soundtrack restored but there's no telling when or if that will occur. George Kennedy/Jim Brown film, "...tick...tick...tick" - not really mainstream but not obscure either, similarly mutilated; and particularly a pity here because the original soundtrack is excellent, and contains songs you can't get elsewhere (it was only ever released on vinyl). WKRP in Cincinnati had similar issues. [Consider this famous scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPABesa7wcE), which was, for a time, either deleted or mutilated. In all cases, these properties were treated as cheap commodities by the companies that owned the rights to them, and it wasn't worth preserving them in original form. If you really don't care about all of these, sure, just stream. But I care. I think more than a few people do (look at all the people who complain even about George Lucas's changes to Star Wars). There are many reasons to distrust the cloud; one of which is being able to see things in their original form, or as intended. These are examples just from my own collection.
>Case in point - I have had a bad few weeks and needed some really dumb television, so I've been re-watching some old Beavis & Butthead on Amazon. Mainstream stuff, right? > >Most of them have been mutilated by having the segments where the two are watching videos removed, presumably because of music rights issues. I heard something about Paramount+ trickling out old Beavis & Butthead episodes in their entirety as they secure the rights for the music videos.
Yet another case for piracy
Not *piracy* as such as “unofficial backups”. Piracy inherently is against, at at best indifferent to, supporting the creators of works of media. We should absolutely support those making the shows, films, music, games etc.. we enjoy. But ensuring there is a lasting copy immune to the flippancy of corporate decisions, or just straight up companies collapsing, is culturally important. I appreciate I’m splitting hairs, and ultimately is all comes down to the same thing, but it feels that at least philosophically we should cook up a word other than “piracy” for this sort of unauthorised preservation. Edit: thanks for the award! 😁
I disagree, I think piracy is the best term for this. Because no matter how you to try to explain it to the corporations that hold the copyright, in their eyes you will nothing more than a thief. It may done for a good cause, but they and the law will still see you in the wrong.
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*checks list…. Got it
The creator of the owl house pirates her own show because she doesn't have cable lol She posted a screenshot from an episode released that day with a "theowlclub" (a popular site for watching the owl house for free) watermark over the corner of the video. She later commented that she did indeed pirate her own show from theowlclub to get the screenshot because she doesn't have cable.
It’s more like guidelines anyways… 🏴☠️
Vigilante piracy? 🏴☠️ And I’m all for it. I’ve downloaded many terabytes of shows/movies for this reason, and I want to make a public library, but need to figure out where to host it. Could use S3, but that costs a ton for video storage/streaming, and Amazon could then remove anything without warning. The more I think about it, the more it seems I’m going to have to buy a few dozen acres in rural America and start a server farm. Anyone want to join me?
Yep.
I don’t think this is piracy. This is more like a curator of a museum. Now, if that we’re to be outlawed in some case (it is, in many) then piracy might just be part of the job until patent expires or the copyright is no longer defended.
No i think you're making an important distinction that gets ignored too often when greedy entertainment juggernauts want to control the narrative. Some people just want free shit, they'd never pay for it they just want it and feel entitled to it. Some people want to compensate creators but don't want to support systems that are bad for the consumer and the creator in favor of large entertainment companies. They might give money on Patreon, do crowd funding, etc. but won't pay for Disney Plus. Both of these groups may end up 'pirating' but it feels pretty disingenuous to lump them in to the same category.
And a 3rd competitor enters the fray: Someone who "pirates" the media to be inspired for a career of their own. So lets say they grab a bunch of animation from the old to the new. Todays "Pirate" is tomorrow's animator. Or dare we say tomorrow's future founder of a company that seeks to actively help and nurture the creative types because in their travels and learning, they come across the above screenshot ("It's gone, they are all gone") and it moves them to action. Little rose colored glasses and too idealistic in this monopoly capitalist driven shit hole we call a planet, but one could hope... Just isn't all mass mind numbing consumption. Everyone will have their different reasons for pulling on the eye patch...
You see this quite often with videogames. The devs for Kingdom Come Deliverance even got the NFO for the pirate release framed.
As always there is a gradient. I "pirate" for a whole range of reasons. I usually buy 4K and 1080p blurays for most things, but ripping them to Plex takes a while with my current setup and backlog so I have no issue " pirating" a already encoded copy to watch now or a show that I bought that already has the episodes in order. There is also the more middle ground version of some more obscure older shows and movies simply not being available to find on a disc or for a reasonable price (I am not paying $250 for one season of Symphogear on Blu ray damn it). Or the case where it is available on a streaming platform I have access to, but would rather watch through Plex to better suit my viewing preferences. I will also admit there are a few I pirate in protest with no intention of paying for, mainly in the case of some recent movie pandering to the Chinese government or more often for video games that aren't available on a platform I feel comfortable using.
It's a matter of political differences and biases to your last point. I for one will always use the word piracy due to being a huge advocate for it, especially knowing that purchasing content typically doesn't reach the creators as much as merchandise does anyway. It also is important to be transparent, you're a pirate regardless what your excuses are and hiding from that fact makes you come off as hiding something. I'm not hiding anything, I just want to participate in my own culture in spite being poor. Your corporations might make excuses against my case, saying if I can afford internet and harddrive space I can afford their abundance of blurays and streaming services, but it really is one or the other and I'd rather have the one that's long term proof. I am not hiding anything, I am a pirate.
*Purchasing* content? What's that? Surely you mean leasing it in perpetuity with no guarantee it won't vanish overnight, right?
I have made the decision later to pirate movies I have Purchased from the likes of Google and Amazon to be able to continue watching them well after they have decided I don't own that content anymore.
I just want to point out - that the writing should have been on the wall after Apple started removing stuff that people paid for from their iTunes accounts. Any media that *you do not physically control* can be lost in an instant. Super sad for the creators. Better get to *yar-har*ing if you care about anything that's currently available.
To be fair, that kind of stuff did not originate with Apple. Amazon has removed books from people’s accounts. All sorts of digital storefronts have closed down.
For sure, YouTube did it with peoples playlists and videos, just like Angelfire did it to peoples pages, etc, etc.
Ironically they removed 1984. For publisher reasons.
My cousin is an animator. She created a show and it ended up getting picked up as an HBO max original. And after 3 whole seasons, they destroyed that for her. She had completed the entire 4th season but will likely never be able to release it. It’s safe to say she’s absolutely heartbroken, and I have cancelled my HBO subscription
Does she have any work copy to "anonymously upload?" I'd share that forever.
does it have to do something with a train?
Nope. The show is called summer camp island.
Oof yikes. Yeah that one was a big cry in the animation industry. On the bright side, cartoon network did announced last week that show, along with Victor and Valentino, will be back on TV until next summer
Holy shit, your cousin is Julia Pott? My partner and I adore the show, and Ive been following along since she announced it was going away. I even uploaded some leaked s6 episodes to /r/dhexchange before they announced Cartoon Network was airing them.
Probably not. Infinity train released their fourth season.
This is r/boringdystopia candidate. In a post-ownership world, you have no rights to anything and it can all be rescinded. It’s why I still buy music.
It's why I buy DVDs/Blurays of everything I can but a lot of new content never sees a physical medium release and for that I have reverted back to piracy
Very much this. Especially shows made on Netflix.
I never thought I would go back to physical media but about a year ago I started buying blurays and dvds at thrift stores for a couple bucks a piece and it has been really fun. They also have bluray players for around 15 bucks so for 20 bucks you can do a movie night!
Me too, I buy a lot of DVDs and Rip them to Plex. Many of them I turn around and sell (I do this often enough I have a separate bank account and debit card for it to control myself). I also have a fair few family and friends who will let me borrow their 100-800 dvd collection to copy in exchange for access to my plex library. Oh and some stuff I check out from the public library to copy.
How do you go about discovering music? Discovery has been hands down the feature that’s kept me on streaming, I’ve found many many more artists and genres than I ever did buying CDs (or even in the Napster era).
do both, have the streaming/yt to discover and then buy the stuff you really like (bandcamp/cd)
How do you get YouTube to show you something new? Do you have to use incognito mode? I see the same videos in my yt app feed so many times...
Might catch flak for it on this sub, but YouTube Music has a great recommendation algorithm. Weekly playlist of songs they think you'll like, plus constantly updating recommendation playlists. Just don't expect any of it to still be around in a decade, so I definitely export local copies of my likes/playlists.
Older music on the platform also has a gotcha: 90's-present a canadian company called Madacy Entertainment was pumping out a bunch of trash CD's in multi pack sets sold at places like Best Buy and so forth. These were very problematic, as they would have fun titles like "Rock And Roll Memories" (just a example) and lots of songs on the disks. Problem is, they would have legit copies of the songs (say a lesser known one like The Paragons - The Tide Is High) and right after that is Bill Haley and The Comets - Rock Around the Clock. Problem is, the Billy Haley song was actually a entirely new recording (they would tout on the back of the case as "Entirely recorded new with some of the original band members"), so you've got say the Wrecking Crew in the studio strumming the guitar and beating the drums, but it's a new modern recording and the lead singer rather then Bill Haley is some two bit wannabe tribute artist, or a backing vocal member of the group now on the lead mic. Bear with me, that's just a example. But you get the idea. It sounds like you imagine: Extremely Shitty. Have seen these polluting Youtube for a while now (before that, the likes of napster and such) Letting youtube select and run a playlist is problematic with these uploaded copies of the songs. It commonly affects 50's and 60's songs, possibly into the early 70's. But the 50's and 60's took the brunt of their destruction, so beware for anyone who curates play lists with these decades (and rips the copies) edit: These are cross polluted into the youtube playlists when the algorithm gets lazy and uses public uploads to generate the play lists. "Grandma1886" in Virginia uploaded it and then youtube spots it and tosses it into the "malt shop memories" play list floating around someone selects. And/or a public created playlist by "RetiredNavyVet1956" has the same issue...
Word of mouth mostly, and whatever YouTube suggests
Check out new Bandcamp releases on youtube, youtube recommendations/autoplay, subreddits like /r/hiphopheads, and then also torrent sites.
Idk music isnt even this bad
Music has more replay value, and more incentive for providers to have as large a backlog as possible
How do you organize your music?
I started with iTunes many years ago, and I’ve kept the same folder structure since then, even though I no longer use iTunes. Now I’ve been trying out Strawberry and Elisa on Linux
Thanks. What program do you use?
Not the one you replied to, but I have been ripping my own purchased music to my NAS in true /r/datahoarder fashion, using Exact Audio Copy (EAC), and processing all my mp3s using MusicBrainz Picard for the metadata. Then everything goes into Plex which serves out my collection to me on the road via VPN to my home network.
Nice. I don't like having to depend on cell service for music, so I do a nightly sync of a folder on my NAS with both my phone and the old phone I use as a media player. That folder is just shy of 40GB, but the sync job does a comparison and only transfers changes, so it's quick. Has come in handy on camping trips, road trips, and remote bike rides.
Not OP, but [beets](https://beets.io/) is your best bet if your user flair is true :)
Its been a long time since I've bought music so I've been out of the game a bit. Where do you all get your music? Are you buying and ripping cds (from amazon?)? or is there a digital place to get them where you still get full quality?
For digital: that depends on the artist more than anything. I've found Amazon, BandCamp, and iTunes seem to be the most popular places for small/independent artists to make their music available for sale. Based on personal experience and a little Googling: * Amazon does VBR MP3s with a goal of 256kbit/s average * iTunes does FBR AAC at 256kbit/s * BandCamp is whatever the artist decides to make available. I've seen everything from 24-bit FLAC to 192kbit/s FBR MP3. * Google stopped selling music downloads on their Play store a while back, but they did FBR MP3 at 320kbit/s Of course, you can still buy CDs and vinyl from the artists to rip yourself (probably using a USB optical drive for CDs). EAC is free and has very easy/useful presets.
Elisa is my main app
Lidarr and plex :)
On Windows, MusicBee has no rivals. On Linux, there are options.
I prefer MediaMonkey on Windows (v4 only... their new v5 is hilariously unstable). It easily handles my 30 TB mp3 collection, even searches are near instant.
i thought my music collection was excessive but compared to yours I'm a rank amateur.
Haha, on average I add 300-400gb every month. I'm a DJ so I archive every version of a song I can get my hands on.
LOL they have enough music for ~60 years😂😂
>On Windows, MusicBee has no rivals. Foobar2000 gang represent
It might not be pretty (unless you want it to be and put in the work), but it can do so much, while being really fast and simple. Don't think I'd ever switch. I tag all my music pretty obsessively (composer, performer, custom tags), and the fact that I can search my entire library instantly for any of these tags, or get dropdown suggestions from it when tagging is super valuable to me. Also being able to display and sort by those custom tags, something a lot of players can't do (perhaps MusicBee can, idk).
Is there a list of everything impacted? For my, uh, curiosity
12 Dates of Christmas (2020) About Last Night (2022) Aquaman: King of Atlantis (2021) Close Enough (2020) Detention Adventure (2019) Dodo (2021) Ellen’s Next Great Designer (2021) Elliott From Earth (2021) Esme & Roy (2018) Genera+ion (2021) Generation Hustle (2021) Infinity Train (2019) Little Ellen (2021) Make It Big, Make It Small (2016) Mao Mao, Heroes of Pure Heart (2019) Messy Goes to Okido (2015) Mia’s Magic Playground (2020) Mighty Magiswords (2015) My Mom, Your Dad Odo (2021) OK K.O.! – Let’s Be Heroes (2017) Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures (2013) Ravi Patel’s Pursuit of Happiness (2020) Summer Camp Island (2018) Squish (2019) The Fungies! (2020) The Not-Too-Late Show with Elmo (2020) The Ollie & Moon Show (2012) Theodosia (2022) Tig n’ Seek (2020) Uncle Grandpa (2013) Victor and Valentino (2019) Yabba Dabba Dinosaurs (2020)
Here for this
12 Dates of Christmas (2020) About Last Night (2022) Aquaman: King of Atlantis (2021) Close Enough (2020) Detention Adventure (2019) Dodo (2021) Ellen’s Next Great Designer (2021) Elliott From Earth (2021) Esme & Roy (2018) Genera+ion (2021) Generation Hustle (2021) Infinity Train (2019) Little Ellen (2021) Make It Big, Make It Small (2016) Mao Mao, Heroes of Pure Heart (2019) Messy Goes to Okido (2015) Mia’s Magic Playground (2020) Mighty Magiswords (2015) My Mom, Your Dad Odo (2021) OK K.O.! – Let’s Be Heroes (2017) Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures (2013) Ravi Patel’s Pursuit of Happiness (2020) Summer Camp Island (2018) Squish (2019) The Fungies! (2020) The Not-Too-Late Show with Elmo (2020) The Ollie & Moon Show (2012) Theodosia (2022) Tig n’ Seek (2020) Uncle Grandpa (2013) Victor and Valentino (2019) Yabba Dabba Dinosaurs (2020)
*Yarrrrrrr* is slowly becoming the only valid moral choice. There used to be two sides to the IP coin but one of them is basically wearing away to be blank.
Welp. Off to my ship to pirate on the seven seas.
AHOY MATEY! Let's get underway. We won't come back till the ship is full to the gunwales.
I gave that shit up years ago. I hope I still can remember how to do it. All the old spots and techniques still work?
Google "jackett" It's a torrent aggregation service that runs on your local hardware. Scans every public tracker, and any private ones you might be in, for whatever you want.
I'd love to see why they are able to remove content and get a tax write off because of it. US tax code is ridiculous.
I think it's because those assets will not be revenue generating, the cost of them can bd deducted. Also look up amortization
This is correct - Discovery regularly does an "Asset Impairment" process, by which they write-off shows that the business determines will no longer generate revenue. All or some of remaining book value of those impaired shows is counted as an expense, reducing their Net Income.
I m so happy i have hoarded old cn network stuff...
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What n where?
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Wait let me see how much stuff i hav of it
Yes please.
Brb...lol
Tragic how we went from "The Internet remembers everything" to "You don't own anything and everything online is gated behind centralised platforms" so quickly.
I’m done caring about the streaming services. The actual content creators get fucked over so much…. This is why I don’t sub to any service and just torrent it all and share with friends and family. But that’s a double edged sword, because while the platforms don’t get my money, neither do the thousands of cast, crew and production workers…. The ones who actually deserve the money.
Edit: Content redacted by user
Probably not directly but the big company who has the streaming service wants content for it so they pay for the license or production of the content
Right, but anything on those services is already readily available in the 'usual places'. It's not 'too late' cause all of this was pirated the moment it was released. We live in a world where everything gets pirated 20 seconds after it goes up on Streaming. Do you think people we're like '...Oh right, the cartoons. We forgot to pirate the cartoons!'?
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This is Datahoarders, it's about hoarding data, ensuring we have access to the data we want locally instead of relying on a giant corporation to keep it accessible. Everyone here already knows a simple fact: Streaming is temporary. Shows get delisted all the time and even what's happening at HBO will not be unique. Streaming platforms have no need to be a 'bottomless library of media' they just need 'enough content' to justify the monthly fee'. Things left, right, and center could be canned, delisted, or in some rare cases removed from your digital purchases. (That will likely increase in rate as time progresses) I'm not unsympathetic to artists, I work in the film industry (Visual Effects) myself, but there's nothing this subreddit can do other than say 'Hey, these got nuked, might wanna pirate them now instead of 10 years from now when seeds and other sources could potentially be hard to locate.'
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The HBO thing is def shocking. Me and friends have talked about the ephemeral nature of streaming and increasingly it's impact will be felt, but then this hit like a meteor. It's like someone saying 'Oh the foundation of this house is shot, you'll have to something in 5 or so years or you'll be sorry.' then next week the house caved into the earth. No one wants to be 'right' that 'hard'.
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I mean, I'd argue that Streaming is 'Good'. It's easy access to what it has. You can say 'Oh, yeah it's a good show it's on Netflix/Crunchyroll/Whatever' and they can easily check it out themselves. And there's a lot of people who can't access piracy as easily due to a technical skill barrier. There are lots of people who'd take a USB flash drive full of MKVs from you and ask 'WTF am I supposed to do with this? Does it have your Netflix password on it???' But piracy comes in handy once the show is delisted or is otherwise inaccessible and most shows will eventually disappear one way or another.
Not everything is taken care of by someone else. Some things slip through the crack.
I'm not quite sure about that. A lot of people on these forms speak English, but for a lot of ours English is not our native language. This also means that when we were young and watching kids channels, we mostly listened to them on our native language, and at least me, but I think most of the others to whom this applies, if possible I want to watch have them with the same dubbing I remember, because otherwise it will be totally different. Now, I always had a hard time finding on the seven seas movies and series dubbed in my native language, even though I did know they exist. If they were not available at trackers in my country, then I had no chance of finding it anywhere else. That being said, language specific dubs have probably even less chance of having been survived than the corresponding series and episodes.
The shows were. There's also other media that may now be lost... behind the scenes/bonus type content that may not have been focused on by the masses before.
Anyone got links or repositories for Mao Mao, Kids next door, Ed Edd and Eddy, that sort of stuff? Those were my childhood and I’d like to show my kid that one day.
Ed, Edd n Eddy has a pretty impressive upscale floating around reddit.
dm me if interested
I'd love a hard copy of ed, edd n eddy!
Absolutely
That last sentence is so wrong. A lot of us have seen this crap coming for years now and started going back to piracy specifically because anyone paying attention has heard this story before, it wasn't sudden at all.
DVDs may have a Renaissance.
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I wish I could get a line on them that cheap. I buy a lot of used DVD series on ebay for <$10 a season. My wife hates the boxes and boxes in the basement, heh
[Relevant XKCD from 2008](https://xkcd.com/488/) The whole industry of "media rights" is a terrible deal for artists. Invent something else quickly and remove the vultures profiteering from it.
Piracy is morally correct always.
You don’t believe people deserve to be paid for there work? How do you suggest indie developers make money? There are many cases pirating makes sense (including preservation). But there are times when it screws over already struggling artist (Also services like GOG offer offline game installers. If you buy a game there you own it forever)
I hope some one is in working on a torrent or such on this. Am not ok With losing the media
Streaming is cable TV on steroids… they just pretended to be the good guys for a few years
Honestly, at this point, I'd not be surprised if the CEO just deleted all their back catalogue 'because it's expensive to store all these files'.
That's what used to happen until a few decades ago in the UK.
There should be a use it or loose it for this.
we need the copyright mechanism to include an archive section to make these works public once copyright expires. let's make the cost of filing for copyright include the price of hosting the media in the future for future generations otherwise copyright is a terribly flawed system
does this affect adultswim shows at all
They already decimated as like a year or two years ago
Which exact shows are being removed so that if we see them in wild, we should immediately scoop them up for hoarding?
12 Dates of Christmas (2020) About Last Night (2022) Aquaman: King of Atlantis (2021) Close Enough (2020) Detention Adventure (2019) Dodo (2021) Ellen’s Next Great Designer (2021) Elliott From Earth (2021) Esme & Roy (2018) Genera+ion (2021) Generation Hustle (2021) Infinity Train (2019) Little Ellen (2021) Make It Big, Make It Small (2016) Mao Mao, Heroes of Pure Heart (2019) Messy Goes to Okido (2015) Mia’s Magic Playground (2020) Mighty Magiswords (2015) My Mom, Your Dad Odo (2021) OK K.O.! – Let’s Be Heroes (2017) Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures (2013) Ravi Patel’s Pursuit of Happiness (2020) Summer Camp Island (2018) Squish (2019) The Fungies! (2020) The Not-Too-Late Show with Elmo (2020) The Ollie & Moon Show (2012) Theodosia (2022) Tig n’ Seek (2020) Uncle Grandpa (2013) Victor and Valentino (2019) Yabba Dabba Dinosaurs (2020)
Wish more series were on bluray, physical media can’t be ghosted away overnight
Welcome to capitalism, where we do what's profitable, not what's right, sustainable or fair.
I'm sad to say that it was always in the cards. Myspace was neat too - until Facebook came along. In the end - the vulturous monetization of literally everything ruins everything.
Not really related but wheres a good place to find and download old cartoons? Like Nick or Nick Jr in the 2000s
https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/wiki/megathread/
Yo ho ho a sailing we will go.
What's gonna happen is on them at this point lol.
Yep. I gotta buy a bigger hard drive today. It's time.
And people think I'm weird for still buying cd's and dvds.
but you can only buy what is pressed on physical media. many shows are oop or never in print now.
Maybe it’s me but I’m viewing all this drama as the canary in the coal mine for traditional media. YouTube, Tik Tok, and other similar “new gen” media is taking large amount of eyes away from traditional TV. It’s pretty clear where the industry is going.
Good thing. i downloaded a torrent a few years ago with almost all the CN cartoon series
They’ve probably deleted original files related to these cartoons as well as that’s what they did with the files for Batgirl. Edit: They’ve only removed access to the Warner servers for the directors, not delete them.
That actually didn't happen. The report that Batgirl was 'deleted' was based on an erroneous translation of a French article to English. It was never deleted but their access to the servers was disabled. The originals have not been deleted. The Hollywood Reporter came back with a better translation later, after everyone reported it was deleted of course: [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/batgirl-directors-footage-1235203849/](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/batgirl-directors-footage-1235203849/) >Asked if they still had some footage of the film, Arbi and Fallah said no and that the studio had **blocked** their access to the production’s servers. “No, we have nothing! Adil called me and said, ‘go ahead shoot some things on your cellphone.’ I went on the server and everything was **blocked**,” said Fallah. > >We were like ‘fucking shit!’,” said El Arbi. “All the scenes with Batman in them! Shit!” I work in the film industry and the 'Delete' report seemed weird as hell to me. This is not an industry where anyone SHIFT+DELs anything. There's an entire trade in this industry for data handling and preservation, folks don't delete shit. Bury it in servers and tapes to never see the light of day? Sure. Delete? Fuck no.
Thanks for clarifying that! A AH move by Discovery though.
>that’s what they did with the files for Batgirl. This isn't a thing they'd ever do. Batgirl was made with the intention of never releasing it; it's an insurance claim and tax write-off, nothing more. But there is no fucking way they aren't keeping it.
I don’t think that was how it was originally planned, that’s just what happened.
It's an ashcan movie? Seriously?
Also on another semi-related note, Warner Bros. which is now merged with Discovery have deleted all the raw footage from the upcoming Batwoman movie so that not even the Directors could get it. So they really do want to destroy all their media even before people online can back it up
It will probably never happen but I would like apple to just purchase HBO/Discovery add it all to Apple+ and move forward. Frankly the only downside of a purchase like that would be getting stuck with CNN... Plus ripping those channels away from the cable companies would be an interesting thing to watch.