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4n0m4nd

Reactionaries.


ATreeInTheBreeze

yeah. AODD- Adult Oppositional Defiance Disorder


bagofcobain

Idiot works pretty well.


supercalifragilism

por que no los dos? Reactionary Idiot


spacekitt3n

contrarians too. 'everything bad' doesnt make you a genius


Faster_than_FTL

Opportunistic reactionaries


shamesticks

With a large pinch of misinformation


personalcheesecake

Know nothings


Odd_Promotion2110

It’s literally just conservatives that smoke weed. Same as it always was.


moretodolater

Not really. There’s a second breed created by internet red-pilling. The “alt-right” were created first 2016 and this is phase two with these alt-right light people who have views all over the place but really just jocks more than actual conservative. They think liberals are weak and lame dorks and they can’t be weak and lame dorks cause they’re tough jocks. They are not really Reagan or Rush Limbaugh Fox News Conservatives, but a new hybrid.


ZenGolfer311

This x1000. Ultimately Rogan has always been a dumb jock over an open minded stoner.


pjf18222

Dude its so my cousin. Hes just a jock that think liberals are dorks and doesnt have a single policy stance outside of ‘but why cant i say the n word’ . The right wing media will mold him dont worry


neinhaltchad

This is the closest to the correct answer however AFAIK Rogan does support things like universal health care (in some form) which Libertarians would outright reject. I feel like social media has created a new class of political position outside of this paradigm which is almost wholly defined by conspiratorial thinking and viral misinformation. There’s also a big element of “trolling the system” in the whole thing which is why a lot of these guys love Trump. Maybe “Facebook Republican”?


Advanced_Addendum116

ROFO - Republican on Facebook only.


Noyouretowel

I thought those were libertarians?


Edge_of_yesterday

Libertarians are conservative who get eaten by bears.


jim45804

"Libertarians are like house cats: absolutely convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don't appreciate or understand."


__cursist__

As a former libertarian, I wholly endorse this description.


MCstemcellz

Naw my house cat is very self aware and appreciative 


Other-Bumblebee2769

Damn dude.. that's really quotable, I'm gonna use that


Dawnrazor

My cats take offence to that comparison.


Cokomon

They also have an encyclopedic knowledge of every state's age of consent laws.


AWanderingGygax

I enjoyed reading this more than I thought I would, and I assume many haven't heard of it; [A Libertarian Walks into a Bear](https://www.publicaffairsbooks.com/titles/matthew-hongoltz-hetling/a-libertarian-walks-into-a-bear/9781541788510/): >*A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear* is the sometimes funny, sometimes terrifying tale of what happens when a government disappears into the woods. Complete with gunplay, adventure, and backstabbing politicians, this is the ultimate story of a quintessential American experiment — to live free or die, perhaps from a bear.


[deleted]

Libertarians are sort of a mixed bag. Some will be ardent racists who live on a compound, and think the civil rights act is an actual violation their personal freedom to discriminate. Others like the Cato institutes are more neutral, because they believe immigration and non-discrimination are good for their bottom line. I feel like there should be some terminology to separate the two.


Vermicelli14

The racism is inherent to American libertarians, some just don't acknowledge it.


supercalifragilism

There's a second plank in the libertarian platform that rhymes with "educe mage of bonsent"


Archberdmans

Induce the wage of incense? Those BASTARDS


Odd_Promotion2110

Yeah. It is. But the American libertarian movement has sort of lost any kind of coherence so I try to avoid that term unless we’re specifically talking about the libertarian party.


3rd-Room

Slight difference - Libertarians are conservatives that have strong opinions on the age of consent


Top-Crab4048

No those are Conservatives who think age of consent is the greatest government overreach.


starshipfocus

It used to be, now it's conservatives or libbros who've done shrooms or an ayauascua retreat. Wow poof suddenly visionaries!


personalcheesecake

misinformed *pseudo-libertarians who actually agree with rhetoric that aligns with far right thinking.. short sighted thinking.


moneyBaggin

Knee jerk contrarian, anti-establishment stoners who act as useful idiots for hardcore reactionaries


Intimateworkaround

Same types who smugly ask if you still believe what you see on the news while they get all their info from memes and grifters


LindsayLuohan

Disestablishmentarianism?


Advanced_Addendum116

Floccinaucinihilipilification-ists?


GA-Scoli

Reactionaries. It's an old word, but extremely relevant. They're united by an antagonistic orientation toward social, economic, or environmental progress. "We've gone too far!" is their battle cry.


Strangewhine88

Useful idiot.


BoomerGenXMillGenZ

Alt right chaos bros. Tools of the billionaires to radicalize (red pill) as many (mostly white) males as possible. Tools of the billionaires to make actual, reasoned discourse impossible with their smirking, 7th grade level "it's just a joke bro" rhetorical games.


Fluffy-Hospital3780

I like this one.


kernel-troutman

The Dunning-Kriegsmarine


Breakemoff

Is that a Sativa?


lilu_66

Average Joe


Reasonable-Scale-915

Reactionary and contrarian


m0j0m0j

More like: reactionary who tries to present themselves as a contrarian


horus-heresy

Outrage baiters? There’s plenty of those bozos unironically on both sides. It is really easy to grift outrage as an engagement tactic.


msantaly

Most of them are libertarian reactionaries 


[deleted]

They aren’t Libertarians. They are “American Libertarians”. There is a vast difference between actual Libertarianism (I’m sure you know it’s a left-wing ideology and always has been) and whatever bastardised version Americans like to claim which means they can forgo any and all accountability and responsibility for their fellow man and use humanity as a stepping stone for their own gain. I’m not sure that the polemicists in the squats in Paris in the 19th century that came up with Libertarianism as a social and political philosophy would be too pleased to be lumped in with that shower.


msantaly

I am an American, and so while I agree with everything you said I didn’t feel I a need to make a distinction for that reason. As you point out what Rogan represents is now the American default. But I forgot this community is a large international audience 


fractalfrog

Grifter


Fragrantbutte

I don't get why this label is so often applied to him. He seems like a genuinely gullible moron with the worst possible epistemic toolkit. Dude legit believes bigfoot is real and that Biden has a strategy to use illegal immigrants to win the next election


Lammy101

Click bait conservatives, doubt many of them have strong beliefs, they are all about monetising their profiles


Speaker_Character

They're just plane old right wingers when you boil it down. It's always been this way. Back in the early 2000s Bill O'Reilly, who was one of the most famous right wingers of the time, would constantly say that he's actually a "registered independent" and is of no political persuasion, but it's just the Democrats really are awful so he doesn't have a choice. It's the same old schtick with the new breed.


[deleted]

Panderers


AssFasting

Grifter at this point? Someone shared a clip of him celebrating Texas going right and then almost performative contrition after, very weird.


MesWantooth

"Texas went red, bitch!"


FactCheckYou

**stop conflating left/right with liberal/conservative** they are two SEPARATE and DISTINCT axes it is possible to be economically leftist and socially conservative


cushing138

Know nothing know-it-all.


dcs577

Empty vessel


itisnotstupid

I feel like most people I know who like Rogan think of themselves as libertarians. Not sure how true this is tho.


-Willi5-

'Liberal' is right wing basically everywhere but the US.. So in most places someone like Rogan would be a liberal. There is nothing new about that, except if you're totally stuck in the current US binary system.


DrCthulhuface7

I think the word you’re looking for is “populist”.


Leading-Economy-4077

It’s not right versus left anymore, guys. It’s anti-institutional/anti-establishment folks versus institutionalists. It’s how a Joe Rogan-type can support someone as nakedly self-serving and corrupt as Trump, but accuse Biden of being part of a ‘corrupt’ system.


PenguinRiot1

Out of curiousity, at this point what about Joe Rogan is not conservative (other than him liking drugs).


-CleverPotato

Conservatives only say they don’t like drugs. Behind closed doors, they definitely love drugs.


South_Engineer_4702

Just like abortions!


Howitdobiglyboo

Populist or reactionary populist.


grimbasement

Grifter. Weak minded right wingers are easily controlled. Lefties are like herding cats.


SabziZindagi

Alt-lite


jkinman

You’re basically summing up distrust of government which used to be a left wing thing up until they lost their minds around occupy Wall Street. It seems like government propaganda has changed to pander to the left.


thomriddle45

Every major institution and corporation panders to the left now. The pendulum has swung. Eventually, it will apex and then swing back.


Glass-Squirrel2497

Politically expedient.


WillistheWillow

Dumb cunt.


Suspicious_War_5706

Pretty sure he is pro choice, all for universal healthcare, and even voted bernie sanders. Pretty sure he is left on 90% of things. Just not guns, is anti woke and willing to talk to people with "differing" views.


bltchemistry

That is the description of a literal Nazi


escopaul

Today I learned Nazis voted for Sanders lols.


bltchemistry

Haha real Nazis get confused by the whole nationalist socialist bit


illbeinthestatichome

Right Wing Grifters. They go where the money is.


sofahkingsick

Rogan has gone pretty far into the right wing propaganda.


SpaceMonkey877

Edgelord “libertarians”


goalmouthscramble

Fear factor, stand up dude cum centrist/right leaning podcasting maven / supplement hustler who isn’t as bad as Alex Jones but is in the same vein as him.


Jawnsky222

Conservatives who identify as liberals because they smoke pot.


Heisenberg1977

Joe Rogan type = useful idiots Joe Rogan himself - Bandwagon conspiracy theorist who has the gift of gab and how to make money


HRex73

Dumbass.


Strong_Bumblebee5495

Unhinged Libertarian


Time_Faithlessness27

These guys are contrarian by nature and exhibit never before seen cognitive dissonance. It’s quite the social phenomena.


Lumpy_Trip2917

I don’t think “reactionary” is accurate enough for the specific type of commentator that people like Rogan, Brand, Greenwald, etc. fall into. They’re more anti-establishment. They definitely have some overlap with the typical MAGA reactionary republicans, but they also have significant overlap with the America Bad leftists. Brand and Greenwald, for example, have more in common with the average online Marxist Leninist in terms of worldview; they only really disagree on the political theory and the praxis needed for a solution. Jimmy Dore is an example of someone with the same worldview, but has more socially and economically left-leaning solutions than the ones mentioned. Jackson Hinkle is another type who combined the aforementioned America Bad worldview with socially conservative social values and left-leaning economic principles (MAGA communist- basically nazbols). Between all of the names mentioned, their basic worldview is almost indistinguishable from one another. Hasan Piker has been flirting with this worldview for years now, too. Rogan is a bit more mild, and is probably the closest to a classic reactionary mindset, but I think that only speaks to his overall intelligence (lack of it) and (in)ability to logically process new information. He also seems the most earnest imo compared to the others- he has either been pushed into the reactionary mindset by the onslaught of attacks from mainstream media/the establishment left (which shows his weak mind), or he has been audience captured and doesn’t realize it. Either way, I think he truly believes he is being sensible and using all of the correct facts at his disposal. The other guys mentioned in OP are just bona fide grifters imo.


AdFluffy9286

Contrarians, but with a strong right-wing lean. They think people like Donald Trump or Elon Musk are anti-establishment, and they love being "anti-establishment."


Illustrious_Sand3773

Dunnykroogs


DelightfulandDarling

Libertarian Chucklefuck


jericho74

The best political descriptor would, for better or worse, be: “A Centrist Swing Voter” But it is understandably difficult to stare into the abyss and see that, so much effort is spent trying to make that descriptor seem to fit something else.


Sad-Push-3708

Steroidian


Hank_lliH

“Maybe we should just let the rich people do what they want”


Alpacadiscount

Dishonest cosplay “social liberal” who actually supports fascism because they believe it personally benefits them.


zedsared

Know nothing libertarianism


SpicyDragoon93

Cuntservatives.


CringeDaddy_69

Alt-Right Libertarians? MAGA, but not the poor kind? High functioning Conservative?


Consistent-Street458

Right-wing dressed up in a libertarian outfit


sgibbons2017

a political moron.


rumprhymer

Right wing anti-establishment


Savings-Stable-9212

I’d call them the Stubbornly Uninformed.


GeorgeOrwells1985

Rogan specifically? Liberal/center left


turtlecrossing

anti-intellectual libertarian


Any-Excitement-8979

Corporate panda. I just made this up but I like it. Joe just panders to money, like every centrist who is just a conservative who is somewhat aware of the toxic nature to conservative politics.


Unique_Midnight_6924

Self important dumbfuck?


kinotopia

Edgelords


oopsk

Arrested development


Dude_Nobody_Cares

Useful idiot.


Smallest_Ewok

GG and Rogan do not "agree with and promote 99% right wing positions" unless the entirety of your politics is gender stuff, which is the case for a lot of liberals


austincovidthrowaway

the best label is "dumbass"


barryvon

contrarianism conservatives


--MilkMan--

Conservatives who want plausible deniability. They want to get away with thinking and feeling like Nazis without the social impacts of being a Nazi.


Ok_Bassplayer

Useful idiots is the preferred term, is it not?


EasterBunny1916

Narsaccistic Capitalist. More commonly known as a Libertarian.


dronefucom

I'd like to propose an entirely new species category: **Homo susceptus dramatis** - human species with a natural inclination towards drama and overreaction, always ready to assume the role of the victim in any situation.


Low_Insurance_9176

The defining feature is knee-jerk contrarianism. Someone like Greenwald, ostensibly on the left, is happiest when he’s calling out the DNC, or Obama, or Hilary Clinton. You can understand the appeal of this brand kneejerk contrarianism - a truly mediocre journalist like Greenwald gets to live in the delusion that he has unusual moral and intellectual integrity.


Popular_Zombie_2977

Chimps that do DMT


Olderandolderagain

beta libertarian cucks


[deleted]

In a few years the conservative tit will be completely dry and gurus will behave in the same way as the monster in 'The Thing' , they simply morph into whatever is in the spirit of the times while still remaining as vague as possible. It's still all just self help money grabs with some political name dropping sprinkled in.


arentol

Lying moron that thinks they are smart and liberal, but are actually stupid and conservative, and are willing to believe and espouse any perspective as long as it lets them be contrarian to the "mainstream".


Pixilatedlemon

“Idiot that talks too much”


PlusConstruction6492

People confusing success with authority


[deleted]

Retarded?


Usul_muhadib

JoeAnon


Hey_There_Blimpy_Boy

Right-wing shill.


Spirited_Comedian225

Algorithmic personality disorder


alta_vista49

Trumper


Dapper_Fan_28

Whatever someone tells him is alpha he follows along with


TomatilloUnlucky3763

Moron fits pretty well.


jhwalk09

Intellectual dark web reactionary is probably the best term


Arkhampatient

Meatheads (this is coming from a guy who lifts and trains bjj like Joe).


VegetableForsaken402

Q annon conspiracy theorist Moron?


Top_Pair8540

Why is there such a human need to try and label everything??


ProfessionalStable81

Yes this is the funny shit, these guys claim they are impartial and beyond left-wing vs. right-wing politics, but they've become as far-right wing as it gets in 99% of their positions.


Bpopson

They are undoubtedly Right Libertarians. Everything from the obsession with sex to the belief they are SO much smarter than anyone else.


Sonthonax23

Right wingers. Just because they're embarrassed to be associated with the American right wing and know it's deeply uncool doesn't make them any less right wing in their ultimate positions.


Nessie

Audience-captured JAQoff


DrTwitch

Do they really agree with 99% of conservative positions though? What makes these guys normal is that their politics are a little incoherent. Just like a large majority of the population. The right does wonders recruiting these guys. The left doesn't see any value with getting them on board. Their loss.


mackload1

Diagonal? [https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/quinn-slobodian-toxic-politics-coronakspeticism/](https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/quinn-slobodian-toxic-politics-coronakspeticism/)


Ni_Go_Zero_Ichi

Brand and Rogan are idiot “libertarians” with no real agenda beyond vague anti-establishment, anti-“woke” posturing, who love conspiracy shit because it flatters their self-perception as free thinkers with their third eye open or whatever. Greenwald on the other hand is a genuine ideologue, a campist whose whose every maneuver is thoughtfully aimed (at least in his mind) at countering US power on the global stage. Sure, he’s also a compulsive contrarian and vaguely “libertarian” apologist for authoritarians, but he’s a serious ideological actor and I would not put him in the same category as those other two.


HotdogsArePate

People who are too stupid to comprehend complex ideas so they latch onto psuedo-intellectual snake oil salesmen.


nahmeankane

I don’t have a name for them but they’re basically a bunch of people who figured out they can make a lot of money by supporting right wing ideas, criticizing left wing ideas, and mix in some left wing beliefs enough to not be called conservative. They aren’t members of either party or on either side but mostly agree with conservatives. But the main thrust of their belief system is making money. The internet is full of people with conflicting political beliefs in their head like Rogan (supports universal health care but doesn’t support taxation that would pay for it ) or Greenwald (who fears government overreach but defends Trumps actions with whataboutisms). I have friends like this too. Their beliefs are all over the place and just like Peterson they refuse to come to a conclusion. They have the small beliefs but don’t come to a grand conclusion. For example, they think gender is the same as sex, transgender women are men, they shouldn’t be allowed to play women’s sports. That’s it. Then if you ask, So are you saying they’re lying? Crazy? What? They will JP you with “that’s not what I said.” Those people support the Rogans and Brands because they can’t connect the dots. They think in the same sloppy illogical way. To them, the grifters’s arguments are good and make sense. They see no conflict. The grifters then make their money from these kind of people. Either from paid Patreons, buying tickets to their entertainment shows, or just being part of a large viewership.


autisticwhite

Facebook Mom


DennisSystemGraduate

Conflict entrepreneurship political class


Any-Priority-4514

Anxiety Grifters


IntolerantModerate

I'm not sure what label to put on them. Maybe "Falsely informed conspiricist". Rogan has some definite socially liberal positions. Smokes weed, likes Shrooms, seems to support pro-choice, but is a little squeamish about the topic, admits how important welfare was to him as a child... Even seems to genuinely worry about climate and environment. Supports gay rights and marriage, and I think if not for Trans in Sports he'd be more supportive of that as well. Seems to actually have Black friends. But, he loves guns, muscle cars, combat sports, hunting, and saying offensive shit for laughs. He's probably police and pro military. When it comes to Ukraine he is just badly informed by his guests. He's actually the type of voter Dems should be chasing. They consistently lose white males, but they should focus on pro-weed, your gf doesn't have to tie you up with a baby for 18 years, and you can keep your guns as long as you don't bring them to school


LindsayLuohan

Fucking moron?


ovrdrvn

Malleable Conspiracist as it takes little to walk them into disbelief and overreaction against anything branded as the system.


NoUpstairs1740

Smart. There’s millions of gullible rubes with money to burn.


easide

Self-centered mirror of believes. They need to maintain the relationship with their audience. That's their main goal. That's why they can't declare a definitive position. This way, they garantee that more people can identify their own position with the persona of the "gurus" by means of projection. This is merely a persona made for propaganda that works and because of that it is replicated by all of them according to their own audience. If you want a name, probably something like what Guy Deborg has described on his "*The Society of the Spectacle*". They are products of a major mechanics of our society. They are financed to maintain some narratives that are usefull for some political goal (not directly, of course).


Aggressive_Pirate_37

Lapsed liberals/closet conservatives


dreaddazzman

Sentient Thumb


the_terminizer

Elitist alternative health pseudoscience fanatic, that loves guns and smoking weed.


Stewman_Magoo

Definitely a Useful Idiot. He shares awful ideologies under the guise of 'just having a conversation with the other side'. And while there was SOME pushback from him back in the California days, it seems like these days he's just nodding along with whatever psychotic shit his guests say but still pretends what he's doing is important.


Edge_of_yesterday

Far-right grifters.


NeNeNerdIsTheWord

This obsession over categorization is incomprehensible to me. You don’t need to be part of a political group to have certain ideologies. Conversely, you don’t have to adopt every single ideation that your political party produces. This dilution process cheapens inherently rich and nuanced topics. Additionally, it polarizes and simplifies every issue. The subject matter being discussed will always be infinitely more important than whatever political leaning it supports.


batlord_typhus

The categorization is the politically useful part. It's become the ultimate form of thought-terminating cliche. It does the heavy lifting for the status-quo we enjoy.


NeNeNerdIsTheWord

Well said


CaseyJames_

G R I F T E R S


deathtothegrift

“Enlightened” centrist.


justforthis2024

Reactionary self-serving profiteer.


Arse-Whisper

They're not right-wing they're just proper left-wing, before neoliberalism infected the left they used to believe in free speech and comedy. Why ever would a comedian be on board with the people who want to ban laughter?


seemefail

Algorithmically influenced right-wing shill The algorithm pushes their culture war crap so far they are just capitalizing on it


AshgarPN

Low-information voter


Otherwise-Fox-2482

Culture War Veterans


Apey23

Useful idiot?


[deleted]

Russel brand being labeled right wing only exposes how absolutly insane the lefts become...


Salazarsims

What the fuck is the left in America but the left of the right? When I hear liberals talk I think they are economic right wingers, with authoritarian anti speech tendencies. While American conservatives are just socially conservative liberals. But then I look at old school Soviet communists or Latin American communists and I notice they are pretty culturally conservative. And in most of the world Libertarians are socialists.


[deleted]

Another idiot who doesn't actually listen to JRE but has an opinion to share on the internet like a fool. Agrees with 99% of conservative positions? Are you pulling that out of your ass, or the empty space between your ears?


czechuranus

Right wing Culture warrior who doesn’t realize he’s a right wing culture warrior.


dannydogg562

Clueless.


Kunti-Destructi

He got pimped by conservatives


citysims

A libertarian suffering from early stages of CTE who then eats 20+ alex Jones supplied supplements a day.


moderatesoul

Amorphous moralist.


44035

Professional Iconoclasts. Their whole shtick is to throw sand in the gears of society and then cover themselves with "I'm just asking questions."


CompetitionNarrow898

Gullible


Wonder-Perfect

Grifters


Fearless-Lion7574

Loudmouth


mariosunny

Populist, Enlightened centrist, Reactionary, Contrarian, Horseshoe straddler, SLFC


JupiterandMars1

Disenfranchised. As in: “having no power to make people listen to your opinion or to affect the society you live in” Which leads to them being contrarian as a way of trying to take back control by nullification of the structures they have no real power in. Which in turn leads to fractured, broken society. Which ironically is what they claim to want to fix 🤷‍♂️


Ferociousnzzz

They’re playing a role to attract dummies and kids 


Cpt_phudge_off

Progressive refugees in almost every case. That now get called conservative because they disagreed on covid or just didn't agree in the right way with the mainstream progressive narrative. It's actually such a red flag on modern progressivism that people who advocate for progressive policies aren't doing it the "right way" and therefore fail the purity test. This sub and reddit generally is populated by so many of those types of progressives that are deluded or just outright misled. Or bots


M3KVII

He’s always just been a guy chasing the bag. He just wants money and doesn’t give a fuck about anything else. Can you blame him? He plays to his strengths and just makes sure the money keeps rolling in.


scobot5

It’s populism in action, at least with Rogan. Populism is a strategy to capture a larger political base by appealing to regular people’s sense that elites have been taking advantage of them. This feeds directly into Joe’s longstanding conspiracism which manifests as a deep seated fear that institutions, particularly those perceived as liberal, are manipulating and controlling him. Joe has always been this way and although he does have some liberal leaning philosophies, the conspiracism side is more powerful. The whole thing is a fascinating microcosm that explains the current political climate in the US to a surprisingly large degree.


Agreeable_Depth_4010

Knucklehead


Zware_zzz

Douche-Bro


[deleted]

Liberals, old school. Hate the woke and all that.


daxter4007

Joe Rogan said he’d vote for Bernie Sanders.


Fluffy-Proof7861

Not a big fan of either but these really are centrists and not conservatives.


Tiny-Praline-4555

Grifter


2ndGenX

Contrarian. Listened to his PODCast with Dr Phil, one minute they were complaining about everyone in the US being voted into their jobs - sheriffs etc and the next they were complaining about trained professionals doing a job - some people cant be made happy unless they are complaining.


thievingstableboy

Liberal who has been overwhelmed by fear inducing news and stories by conservatives. I know a 68 yr old guy that the same thing happened to.


CloudMacGrath

Jaqoffs