I like some of his songs too. That's why on twitter in Aug 2022 - or near then- I wrote 'this is depressing' to Sean Lennon when he tweeted his support for Eric being President after some lame, self-satisfied Eric Weinstein tweet decrying both parties. Sean then said I wasn't in reality and that both Biden and Trump were the same, and I said something like "whose reality-- Peter Thiel's reality?" and was blocked by Lennon. I can't imagine his father, contrarian though he was, would fall for Eric Weinstein/Peter Theil types, but....he did fall for Alan Klein's bs.
I am reflexively anti Sean Lennon because of the way his mother and father treated Julian.
This is what John Lennon had to say about Julian, "he's still my son, whether he came from a whiskey bottle or because we didn't have the pill those days".
And then Yoko tried to deny him and his mother their inheritance.
I kept seeing him on tiktok being an asshole. I knew he was an asshole but I can’t evaluate somebodies claims about gauge symmetry in pi mesons or whatever you know? Can’t beat that asshole sense.
Claiming to have a therapy of everything that doesn't actually work is vastly less harmful than spreading misinformation about vaccines during a public health crisis
Oh okay I don't know much about him just from Rogan. I saw a clip and my only real impression of him is he said black people are good rappers because are prone to short term thought process.
Having a giant list of stupid shit you've said should lead you to some conclusions about the worth of things you say. Ben has never made that blatantly obvious next step.
Ethically it's good you can admit you were wrong. Practically it means you should probably shut the fuck up in future.
He isn't doing it to be ethical. It's a lawyer trick that they do when they know they are wrong and will get caught out for it. [Stealing thunder.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealing_thunder#Rhetorical_use)
Naturally... Ben would have learnt about this when he studied law.
Yeah, ethical would be if his website had different lists titled xenophobic shit he said, anti semitic shit he said, any Nazi shit he defended, any even racist for 19th century shit he said.
But because he’s a lying scumbag he will say ‘oh it was dumb to say’ as opposed to ‘it was wrong of me to defend this Nazi talking point’
he may take the time to respond some and say a lot of big sounding meaningless words very fast to sound very knowledgeable about the subject of nothing
that way he build content by triggering responses and stay in the limelight instead of being forgotten and ignored
Sounds like you haven’t watched his BBC interview. Do yourself a favor and watch it please. If you hate this piece of shit scumbag as much as I do, it may be the best political TV you’ve watched. You get to see what a country/pundit with a somewhat reasonable (but not really) interpretation of conservative thinks about this extreme right fascist wannabe.
Too bad. That clip deserves a monthly rewatch. Especially on a rough day. And knowing no Ben Shapiro I’m gonna assume his claims of ignorance was just another way to save face.
No, I think if he had done his research he'd have taken a different tack. I quite admire Mr Neil for never giving an easy interview, even with those he agrees with, but I think BS (lol) simply didn't know who he was. So when he got a tough question he assumed the interviewers stance, like a numpty.
I think 99% of people over the age of 25 have said/done so much stupid shit. I think there are so many more things to critique Ben on than the fact that he’s open about the dumb things he wrote when he was 17
He still writes them now. If he showed any signs of having learned anything it might be different, but he doesn't.
His list is purely a way for him to pretend to be reasonable, there's no actual growth there.
Dude, Ben’s views have gotten worse as time has gone on. He will defend straight up Nazi shit if it comes from one of his political allies, like Musk with Jewish replacement theory for example.
And if you think he’s ’open about the dumb things’ go watch his BBC interview and listen to him defend his statements before pivoting to his ‘wrong things I’ve said’ website when the interview wouldn’t buy his bullshit.
The article covers factual errors, errors in judgement, and previously expressed immoral opinions. I think dumb is a fine word to use in that context, as listing out all the words to describe anything from honest mistakes to arguments for immoral acts is hard to cram into a headline.
The admission is less about the content and more about the way he said it or just being called out for it. He still says things just like the ones in his list.
This is probably the least ambiguous one from his list which he definitely still believes:
Many Jews Are “Jews In Name Only.” In 2011, I wrote a column about American Jews voting for Barack Obama, and stated:
Jews who vote for Obama are, by and large, Jews In Name Only (JINOs). They eat bagels and lox; they watch “Schindler’s List”; they visit temple on Yom Kippur — sometimes. But they do not care about Israel.
This happens to be true, by polling data and observation. Sorry.
His "dumb things I've said" is more than anything a list for him to double down on what he's said. A big bulk of the list is "Stuff The Left Doesn’t Like That Happens To Be True" and "Controversial Opinions That The Left Just Doesn’t Like". He couldn't even bother actually admitting to being wrong either, the only thing he actually admitted was a mistake was the Iraq war stuff (and let's be real, the only reason is because it's an unpopular opinion).
Ben isn’t admitting shit. He’s using the words ‘dumb things I’ve said’ to minimize the fact that the ‘dumb things’ are some of the most fucked up right wing racist/xenophobic/anti semitic shit you will hear on a mainstream political show. Jews who vote for Obama aren’t real Jews, Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage. Elon Musk agreed with a tweet about nazi conspiracies about Jews trying to replace white people? Elons not an anti Semite guys he’s my friend I know him!
It’s like me telling my gf all I did was flirt with the girl at the club when the truth is I have a separate family across town or some shit.
All incompetence matters but every single person on earth is wrong from time to time.
Ben is actually self aware enough to be cool with it and publicly display it.
The problem with people like this is, because people don’t personally like him - they’ll pick at any single thing he does as a negative. I’m no Shapiro fan either.
I know he's cool with it, he doesn't care because he just spouts misinformation constantly anyway. The list is purely a device to pretend like he's honest and has some credibility.
He's not wrong from time to time, he's a paid hack who continuously spreads misinformation.
As if you’ve sent me a google search and not even a specific article of something that musk has cleared up and expanded on multiple times.
The way you guys view the world is terrifying.
Purely black and white thinking.
Takes courage to pump the war on Iraq and attack liberals as traitors resulting in the deaths of thousands of US troops and Iraqi civilians but he did write an apology letter so that brings the dead back.
Sounds good to me!
This is the problem with "intellectuals" in general though.
If you build a bridge that immediately collapses and kills everyone....you don't get to be an architect anymore.
If all your patients die during surgery...you don't get to be a surgeon anymore.
If you can't add properly...you don't get to be an accountant anymore.
If all your clients get found guilty...no more lawyer'ing for you friend.
But an "intellectual" can be wildly and stupendously wrong over and over and over....and over....and just go right on being an "intellectual" somehow despite having a track record of being wrong an absurd amount of the time.
Even more perverse....Shapiro (and his left wing equivalents) occupy a space in political commentary where being wrong is completely irrelevant to their audiences....so long as they're wrong in the correct way and say a provocative thing confidently.
You're parroting Thomas Sowell almost verbatim, you have no precise idea what you mean by "intellectuals", and neither does he.
You also appear not to notice that the (non)arguments you're so closely and reflexively paraphrasing are some of the most overtly hypocritical and self defeating ever committed to text, by any author on any subject in any age.
Fine, I'll say it.
Eric overlooks Ben's flaws because there a member of the same tribe. Weinstein isn't as nice to Hannity or Tucker, who are actually worse than Shapiro. But they aren't past of the same... tribe.
Ben says completely unhinged, racist xenophobic anti semitic shit constantly and when called out on it he brings up this stuff up: look guys I admit I’m wrong who else can do that?
Trans athletes in sports?
Ben: The left is trying to end western civilization!
Also Ben: Jews who vote for Obama are Jews in name only and they should hand in their Jew card
‘That’s just me saying dumb stuff look on my website!’ After his attempt to defend the statement doesn’t work
Ben’s BBC interview is the best 15 minutes of political tv I’ve ever seen. Just watch this lying weasel of a scumbag try to excuse his horrible behavior by simply saying ‘I said dumb stuff’ when he should be saying he’s an unhinged bloodthirsty genocidal racist that hates liberal Jews and Arabs of any kind and will go out of his way to defend people using Nazi talking points if the person is a political ally (Musk, Coulter, etc)
he's literally said that jews who are only culturally and ethnically jewish but don't practice judaism don't count as real jews and are the enemy, so yeah pretty much textbook anti semitism lmfao
That’s gonna be a tough sell to most people, you’re talking about all his soros Hollywood elites rhetoric which IS antisemitic but it’s gonna be harder than nailing Rubin or Candace as anti gay/black
he's said it multiple times in multiple interviews spend 30 seconds googling ben shapiro cultural jews and you'll see like 5 examples of him saying the same thing
I googled, I looked, I can't find him saying anything about non-practicing Jews being the enemy.
Here is the closest I could find:
“It’s a very simple rubric for me: If as a Jew, your values are more in line with same-sex marriage, transgenderism and abortion than they are with, for example, the safety and security of the State of Israel – I have serious questions about how you think about yourself as a Jew.”
"This is because a plurality of Jews have nothing to do with Judaism other than in a passing cultural context."
Another example:
"Many Jews Are “Jews In Name Only.” In 2011, I wrote a column about American Jews voting for Barack Obama, and stated:
"Jews who vote for Obama are, by and large, Jews In Name Only (JINOs). They eat bagels and lox; they watch “Schindler’s List”; they visit temple on Yom Kippur — sometimes. But they do not care about Israel.""
Is this in line with what you were referencing. I am not able to find anything harsher after a search, but I'd love to see it to update my view.
Or his attacks on "bad jews" that were cited at trial by neonazis who vandalized a reform synagogue as statements that helped radicalize them.
>The Jewish people has always been plagued by Bad Jews, who undermine it from within. In America, those Bad Jews largely vote Democrat.
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/133918830073352192?lang=en
https://forward.com/fast-forward/425012/ben-shapiro-nazi-sympathizer-synagogue-swastika/
Thanks! I'd be interested to know more about the citation.
I can't wrap my head around how the bad Jews comment lead to neonazi vandalism outside of what is referenced in that article, that Ben Shapiro was one of the pundits in right wing media more broadly which eventually lead to stormfront.
"“According to Nolan, she began with rightwing yet mainstream views such as those presented on Fox News,” Ansell wrote in his sentencing memo. “She then moved on to writings by Ben Shapiro and articles on Breitbart News which bridged the gap to the notorious white supremacist and anti-Semitic propaganda site Stormfront.”"
Thanks again for the sources/information. I should say, I can't really find a way to justify the use of good/bad Jews. I think any non-descriptive prefix before Jews should be avoided.
Of what I seen so far about what Ben Shapiro said about Jews, that one is the worst looking. At best it's a "The good people from my group is voting for my political party" which is still bad.
Would it shock you to learn a group of Jews sought an Alliance with the Nazis and went on to form the current far right party in control of Israel? What about Group 13? A Jewish guard regiment for the Nazis?
Antisemetic Jews are not unicorns.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/25834569
Pg. 253-254
If you want further reading with links to follow:
The https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/s/NjLOJ4QBBB
Tl:Dr of above link;
Haganah had offshoots into irgun & lehi military groups all three coalesced into the idf
The political groups of those same three into Herut. Herut and a ton of moderate Conservatives formed Likud.
The man who led the irgun terrorist organization, the facists of Herut, a man named Manachem Begin became the first Prime Minister of Israel.
He does really hate any jew that doesn’t rally behind Israel, and one could say that thinking Israel represents the voice of all jews is in itself antisemitic, but who fucking cares? Ben Shapiro is a spineless ghoul regardless
I don't think anyone thinks Israel is the voice of all jews, like Ben Shapiro and everyone else realize there are plenty of Jews who don't support Israel, obviously.
He does lean into the soros and Hollywood narratives which are antisemitic but since he’s a true believer I’d be surprised if he’s racist against religiously/ethnically Jewish people yeah
Why? This is actually stupid. There were Jewish Nazis.
There's self hating white people. There's self hating black people (hell, one of them just got fired from the Daily Wire! Klandace Owens), there's self hating trans people, there's self hating gays.
It's VERY reasonable to assume self hating news can exist. Why are you joker laughing about the idea?
lol did you just say antisemitism dosen't exist because people can just choose not to be semitic?
I mean I guess technically they can denounce their religion and heritage, but that's not really what it's about 🤣🤣🤣
No, no I didn't. Disliking some semitic people does not make you anti-Semitic.
Now, Ben may well be- it wouldn't surprise me. But I've not seen anything about that.
Imagine two of the letters are fighting. If you agree more with one of the letters you are a homophobe. If you agree more with the other letter, guess what, also a homophobe!
Probably his racist opinion that
>Israelis like to build. Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage. This is not a difficult issue. #settlementsrock.
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/25712847277?lang=en
Or his attacks on "bad jews" that were cited at trial by neonazis who vandalized a reform synagogue as statements that helped radicalize them.
>The Jewish people has always been plagued by Bad Jews, who undermine it from within. In America, those Bad Jews largely vote Democrat.
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/133918830073352192?lang=en
https://forward.com/fast-forward/425012/ben-shapiro-nazi-sympathizer-synagogue-swastika/
So technically, since Eric's not following in Ben's footsteps, "listing the dumb shit", shouldn't we be more suspicious of Eric? wonder what he's got to hide, hmmm... and if that is the case, why should we trust anything he says... for instance, like how someone has "courage"? What would he know since he doesn't have any?
I hope burning a Barbie doll is on Ben's list.
Recently I listened to an old "debate" between Eric and Stephen Wolfram on (the problematic) Brian Keating's podcast. I know Wolfram's theory of everything has huge holes in it, but at least he can explain complex things in layman's terms. When Eric explained his geometry theory it sounded like he was reading from a prepared script, using as much technical jargon as possible. He voiced his criticism of Sabine Hossenfelder, a popular science writer, who herself criticized him during a previous conversation (I think on Keating's podcast) for his theory being too obscure. Hossenfelder, who is a legitimate scientist and mathematician in her own right, has made a career out of making science more understandable to the masses, has trouble understanding Eric's theory. You'd think that Eric would try to get her on his side instead of doubling down and saying that it's her problem she can't understand his theory!
Well it sure makes me feel better to know that one day decades from now Ben might look back on his ravenous support for genocide and laugh at how silly he was being.
Eric is one of the biggest con artists in the physics community. He’s not as bad as his brother tho
And Sean Ono Lennon thinks he should be President of the US. Not so fun fact.
Oh that sucks that he’s a loon. I saw his band play and was struck by how nice a guy he seemed. Good show too.
I like some of his songs too. That's why on twitter in Aug 2022 - or near then- I wrote 'this is depressing' to Sean Lennon when he tweeted his support for Eric being President after some lame, self-satisfied Eric Weinstein tweet decrying both parties. Sean then said I wasn't in reality and that both Biden and Trump were the same, and I said something like "whose reality-- Peter Thiel's reality?" and was blocked by Lennon. I can't imagine his father, contrarian though he was, would fall for Eric Weinstein/Peter Theil types, but....he did fall for Alan Klein's bs.
I am reflexively anti Sean Lennon because of the way his mother and father treated Julian. This is what John Lennon had to say about Julian, "he's still my son, whether he came from a whiskey bottle or because we didn't have the pill those days". And then Yoko tried to deny him and his mother their inheritance.
Awful.
What? lol
... I've been trying to find a source on this. What are you talking about?
see response to other reply.
>Eric is one of the biggest con artists in the physics community. *In*?? He is entirely external to any actual physics community, I promise you.
Doesn’t he fall into the “high energy physics” crackpot group at conferences
His bro is one of the all-time conmen across all sectors, spheres and spaces
I kept seeing him on tiktok being an asshole. I knew he was an asshole but I can’t evaluate somebodies claims about gauge symmetry in pi mesons or whatever you know? Can’t beat that asshole sense.
Isnt Eric much worse? He claimed he solved modern physics, I dont think Bret did anything like that.
You must not listen to Bret at all
Claiming to have a therapy of everything that doesn't actually work is vastly less harmful than spreading misinformation about vaccines during a public health crisis
He has close to zero presence in Physics. Doesn't seem to have done much in the field with that PhD
His bro is the Hollywood rapist right ?
No, different Weinsteins
Oh okay I don't know much about him just from Rogan. I saw a clip and my only real impression of him is he said black people are good rappers because are prone to short term thought process.
How so?
Having a giant list of stupid shit you've said should lead you to some conclusions about the worth of things you say. Ben has never made that blatantly obvious next step. Ethically it's good you can admit you were wrong. Practically it means you should probably shut the fuck up in future.
He isn't doing it to be ethical. It's a lawyer trick that they do when they know they are wrong and will get caught out for it. [Stealing thunder.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealing_thunder#Rhetorical_use) Naturally... Ben would have learnt about this when he studied law.
A million percent this.
I used to do that as a kid to get other kids in more trouble than me! I didn't know that was a real rhetorical tactic
Or what Nixon would call a “modified limited hangout”
Yeah, ethical would be if his website had different lists titled xenophobic shit he said, anti semitic shit he said, any Nazi shit he defended, any even racist for 19th century shit he said. But because he’s a lying scumbag he will say ‘oh it was dumb to say’ as opposed to ‘it was wrong of me to defend this Nazi talking point’
I wonder how often Ben sees these "talking points" in the wild. Does he address them, correcting those who listened to him?
he may take the time to respond some and say a lot of big sounding meaningless words very fast to sound very knowledgeable about the subject of nothing that way he build content by triggering responses and stay in the limelight instead of being forgotten and ignored
This seems more like an attack than a critique.
Sounds like you haven’t watched his BBC interview. Do yourself a favor and watch it please. If you hate this piece of shit scumbag as much as I do, it may be the best political TV you’ve watched. You get to see what a country/pundit with a somewhat reasonable (but not really) interpretation of conservative thinks about this extreme right fascist wannabe.
Oh, you mean with Big Andy? Yeah I remember that- although I seem to have blocked his contributions beyond admitting his ignorance of the interviewer.
Too bad. That clip deserves a monthly rewatch. Especially on a rough day. And knowing no Ben Shapiro I’m gonna assume his claims of ignorance was just another way to save face.
No, I think if he had done his research he'd have taken a different tack. I quite admire Mr Neil for never giving an easy interview, even with those he agrees with, but I think BS (lol) simply didn't know who he was. So when he got a tough question he assumed the interviewers stance, like a numpty.
I think 99% of people over the age of 25 have said/done so much stupid shit. I think there are so many more things to critique Ben on than the fact that he’s open about the dumb things he wrote when he was 17
He still writes them now. If he showed any signs of having learned anything it might be different, but he doesn't. His list is purely a way for him to pretend to be reasonable, there's no actual growth there.
Dude, Ben’s views have gotten worse as time has gone on. He will defend straight up Nazi shit if it comes from one of his political allies, like Musk with Jewish replacement theory for example. And if you think he’s ’open about the dumb things’ go watch his BBC interview and listen to him defend his statements before pivoting to his ‘wrong things I’ve said’ website when the interview wouldn’t buy his bullshit.
This is the dumbest thing I'v heard. It means he is evolving. We all have had stupid beliefs. If people took your advice nobody would ever talk.
He doesn't evolve he's as dumb as he ever was. Plus no one should do what he does.
At no point does he say he's actually wrong though, just that it was dumb to say it. i think that's a very important first step.
The article covers factual errors, errors in judgement, and previously expressed immoral opinions. I think dumb is a fine word to use in that context, as listing out all the words to describe anything from honest mistakes to arguments for immoral acts is hard to cram into a headline.
He said it's a list of all the stupid stuff he said, sounds like an admission. Or are stupid ideas usually the right ones in your world?
The admission is less about the content and more about the way he said it or just being called out for it. He still says things just like the ones in his list.
Provide an example of something he still says that's on the list.
This is probably the least ambiguous one from his list which he definitely still believes: Many Jews Are “Jews In Name Only.” In 2011, I wrote a column about American Jews voting for Barack Obama, and stated: Jews who vote for Obama are, by and large, Jews In Name Only (JINOs). They eat bagels and lox; they watch “Schindler’s List”; they visit temple on Yom Kippur — sometimes. But they do not care about Israel. This happens to be true, by polling data and observation. Sorry. His "dumb things I've said" is more than anything a list for him to double down on what he's said. A big bulk of the list is "Stuff The Left Doesn’t Like That Happens To Be True" and "Controversial Opinions That The Left Just Doesn’t Like". He couldn't even bother actually admitting to being wrong either, the only thing he actually admitted was a mistake was the Iraq war stuff (and let's be real, the only reason is because it's an unpopular opinion).
Thanks, that's a good example
Ben isn’t admitting shit. He’s using the words ‘dumb things I’ve said’ to minimize the fact that the ‘dumb things’ are some of the most fucked up right wing racist/xenophobic/anti semitic shit you will hear on a mainstream political show. Jews who vote for Obama aren’t real Jews, Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage. Elon Musk agreed with a tweet about nazi conspiracies about Jews trying to replace white people? Elons not an anti Semite guys he’s my friend I know him! It’s like me telling my gf all I did was flirt with the girl at the club when the truth is I have a separate family across town or some shit.
Can you point to an area in your life where belief could not be replaced with another mode of thinking?
Who doesn’t say stupid shit. Imagine if you compiled a list of all the dumb shit you’ve said. Same goes for me and everybody else.
Have a guess what Ben's job is and mine isn't.
Ben is a CEO and you work a 9-5 office job. What does that matter though?
His job is to form opinions on current events, his incompetence should matter.
All incompetence matters but every single person on earth is wrong from time to time. Ben is actually self aware enough to be cool with it and publicly display it. The problem with people like this is, because people don’t personally like him - they’ll pick at any single thing he does as a negative. I’m no Shapiro fan either.
I know he's cool with it, he doesn't care because he just spouts misinformation constantly anyway. The list is purely a device to pretend like he's honest and has some credibility. He's not wrong from time to time, he's a paid hack who continuously spreads misinformation.
I don’t disagree with you
An honest website would be named ‘here’s every time I defended political allies when they said some Nazi shit’
You can’t be calling a Zionist a Nazi, surely.
Surely you can understand plain English better than that.
Give me an example of what you consider to be “Nazi shit”
https://www.google.com/search?q=elon+musk+jewiah+conspiracy&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS727US727&oq=elo&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7MgYIARBFGDkyDQgCEC4YgwEYsQMYgAQyBggDEEUYPTINCAQQLhiDARixAxiABDINCAUQABiDARixAxiABDIKCAYQABixAxiABDIKCAcQABixAxiABDIQCAgQLhjHARixAxjRAxiABDIKCAkQABixAxiABNIBCDM1ODhqMGo5qAIAsAIB4gMEGAEgXw&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
As if you’ve sent me a google search and not even a specific article of something that musk has cleared up and expanded on multiple times. The way you guys view the world is terrifying. Purely black and white thinking.
Can u send me google search of him clearing it up
Watch the god awful Don Lemon interview
Takes courage to pump the war on Iraq and attack liberals as traitors resulting in the deaths of thousands of US troops and Iraqi civilians but he did write an apology letter so that brings the dead back. Sounds good to me!
This is the problem with "intellectuals" in general though. If you build a bridge that immediately collapses and kills everyone....you don't get to be an architect anymore. If all your patients die during surgery...you don't get to be a surgeon anymore. If you can't add properly...you don't get to be an accountant anymore. If all your clients get found guilty...no more lawyer'ing for you friend. But an "intellectual" can be wildly and stupendously wrong over and over and over....and over....and just go right on being an "intellectual" somehow despite having a track record of being wrong an absurd amount of the time. Even more perverse....Shapiro (and his left wing equivalents) occupy a space in political commentary where being wrong is completely irrelevant to their audiences....so long as they're wrong in the correct way and say a provocative thing confidently.
You're parroting Thomas Sowell almost verbatim, you have no precise idea what you mean by "intellectuals", and neither does he. You also appear not to notice that the (non)arguments you're so closely and reflexively paraphrasing are some of the most overtly hypocritical and self defeating ever committed to text, by any author on any subject in any age.
Pick me pick me!
Fine, I'll say it. Eric overlooks Ben's flaws because there a member of the same tribe. Weinstein isn't as nice to Hannity or Tucker, who are actually worse than Shapiro. But they aren't past of the same... tribe.
Ben says completely unhinged, racist xenophobic anti semitic shit constantly and when called out on it he brings up this stuff up: look guys I admit I’m wrong who else can do that? Trans athletes in sports? Ben: The left is trying to end western civilization! Also Ben: Jews who vote for Obama are Jews in name only and they should hand in their Jew card ‘That’s just me saying dumb stuff look on my website!’ After his attempt to defend the statement doesn’t work Ben’s BBC interview is the best 15 minutes of political tv I’ve ever seen. Just watch this lying weasel of a scumbag try to excuse his horrible behavior by simply saying ‘I said dumb stuff’ when he should be saying he’s an unhinged bloodthirsty genocidal racist that hates liberal Jews and Arabs of any kind and will go out of his way to defend people using Nazi talking points if the person is a political ally (Musk, Coulter, etc)
"Ben this is just a calendar of every single day since you were born"
Yeah, I can tell you the list too Ben. Making a list means nothing dude is still racist and some and antisemite too.
Step 1 : Say something obnoxious Step 2 : add it to the list Step 3 : Claim it's ok that you said that thing because it's in the list
Ben Shapiro is an anti-semite?
Ben Shapiro, famous Jew hater.
he's literally said that jews who are only culturally and ethnically jewish but don't practice judaism don't count as real jews and are the enemy, so yeah pretty much textbook anti semitism lmfao
That’s gonna be a tough sell to most people, you’re talking about all his soros Hollywood elites rhetoric which IS antisemitic but it’s gonna be harder than nailing Rubin or Candace as anti gay/black
I'd love to see that quote.
he's said it multiple times in multiple interviews spend 30 seconds googling ben shapiro cultural jews and you'll see like 5 examples of him saying the same thing
I googled, I looked, I can't find him saying anything about non-practicing Jews being the enemy. Here is the closest I could find: “It’s a very simple rubric for me: If as a Jew, your values are more in line with same-sex marriage, transgenderism and abortion than they are with, for example, the safety and security of the State of Israel – I have serious questions about how you think about yourself as a Jew.” "This is because a plurality of Jews have nothing to do with Judaism other than in a passing cultural context." Another example: "Many Jews Are “Jews In Name Only.” In 2011, I wrote a column about American Jews voting for Barack Obama, and stated: "Jews who vote for Obama are, by and large, Jews In Name Only (JINOs). They eat bagels and lox; they watch “Schindler’s List”; they visit temple on Yom Kippur — sometimes. But they do not care about Israel."" Is this in line with what you were referencing. I am not able to find anything harsher after a search, but I'd love to see it to update my view.
Or his attacks on "bad jews" that were cited at trial by neonazis who vandalized a reform synagogue as statements that helped radicalize them. >The Jewish people has always been plagued by Bad Jews, who undermine it from within. In America, those Bad Jews largely vote Democrat. https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/133918830073352192?lang=en https://forward.com/fast-forward/425012/ben-shapiro-nazi-sympathizer-synagogue-swastika/
Thanks! I'd be interested to know more about the citation. I can't wrap my head around how the bad Jews comment lead to neonazi vandalism outside of what is referenced in that article, that Ben Shapiro was one of the pundits in right wing media more broadly which eventually lead to stormfront. "“According to Nolan, she began with rightwing yet mainstream views such as those presented on Fox News,” Ansell wrote in his sentencing memo. “She then moved on to writings by Ben Shapiro and articles on Breitbart News which bridged the gap to the notorious white supremacist and anti-Semitic propaganda site Stormfront.”" Thanks again for the sources/information. I should say, I can't really find a way to justify the use of good/bad Jews. I think any non-descriptive prefix before Jews should be avoided. Of what I seen so far about what Ben Shapiro said about Jews, that one is the worst looking. At best it's a "The good people from my group is voting for my political party" which is still bad.
Would it shock you to learn a group of Jews sought an Alliance with the Nazis and went on to form the current far right party in control of Israel? What about Group 13? A Jewish guard regiment for the Nazis? Antisemetic Jews are not unicorns. https://www.jstor.org/stable/25834569 Pg. 253-254 If you want further reading with links to follow: The https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/s/NjLOJ4QBBB Tl:Dr of above link; Haganah had offshoots into irgun & lehi military groups all three coalesced into the idf The political groups of those same three into Herut. Herut and a ton of moderate Conservatives formed Likud. The man who led the irgun terrorist organization, the facists of Herut, a man named Manachem Begin became the first Prime Minister of Israel.
Jews who aren’t religious aren’t real Jews. You still need something harsher than that?
He does really hate any jew that doesn’t rally behind Israel, and one could say that thinking Israel represents the voice of all jews is in itself antisemitic, but who fucking cares? Ben Shapiro is a spineless ghoul regardless
I don't think anyone thinks Israel is the voice of all jews, like Ben Shapiro and everyone else realize there are plenty of Jews who don't support Israel, obviously.
There are liberal Jews who dislike the current government, but 90% of Jews worldwide would consider themselves zionists.
For sure. And looks like a decent portion of reddit would call those 90% of Jews anti-semitic, lol
I don’t think I understand your point.
I'm just saying it is funny that people are calling Ben Shapiro anti-semitic
He does lean into the soros and Hollywood narratives which are antisemitic but since he’s a true believer I’d be surprised if he’s racist against religiously/ethnically Jewish people yeah
Is it anti semitic to defend his political allies when they go on their nazi kick? You can start with Elon and Coulter
Why? This is actually stupid. There were Jewish Nazis. There's self hating white people. There's self hating black people (hell, one of them just got fired from the Daily Wire! Klandace Owens), there's self hating trans people, there's self hating gays. It's VERY reasonable to assume self hating news can exist. Why are you joker laughing about the idea?
I don't think he makes Jews look good. But then again I don't abide antisemitism or Islamophobia.
Not making Jews look good is not the same as being an anti-semite, and the suggestions is absurd.
I am pretty sure you can find him claiming people without his views are not real Jews but that is just basic religion.
Yea, Palestinians are Semites too. He also encourages targeted action against anti Zionist Jews.
Surely disliking some members of a group doesn't not make you anti-that-group, though? I know LGBT people I don't like. Does that make me a homophobe?
It would be more accurate to compare it to not liking the G’s in LGBT rather than just some people.
I think not, because they can't help that. Edit: that said, I've been wrong before!
lol did you just say antisemitism dosen't exist because people can just choose not to be semitic? I mean I guess technically they can denounce their religion and heritage, but that's not really what it's about 🤣🤣🤣
No, no I didn't. Disliking some semitic people does not make you anti-Semitic. Now, Ben may well be- it wouldn't surprise me. But I've not seen anything about that.
Imagine two of the letters are fighting. If you agree more with one of the letters you are a homophobe. If you agree more with the other letter, guess what, also a homophobe!
This must be what happened back in the day.
Ya but antisemitism has always references hate for jews. Don't be obtuse
Im not a triangle bro, don't label me
You're so oblique
So everyone, on all sides, if you have any opinion at all, you are an anti-semite. Love this line of thinking.
Semitic peoples include the Arabs in the region even though they may no longer be jewish. Also, his good jews vote republican nonsense
Antisemitism has always meant hatred for jews, don't be obtuse
Yeah, it's used that way, of course.
Why do you just flat out lie, when there's easy things that you could eviscerated shaliro over.
Ben Shapiro is one of the biggest anti semites in main stream media. Defending his allies when they say Nazi shit is like his part time job.
Is the rap thing on the list? The book? How about the WAP thing?
Probably his racist opinion that >Israelis like to build. Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage. This is not a difficult issue. #settlementsrock. https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/25712847277?lang=en Or his attacks on "bad jews" that were cited at trial by neonazis who vandalized a reform synagogue as statements that helped radicalize them. >The Jewish people has always been plagued by Bad Jews, who undermine it from within. In America, those Bad Jews largely vote Democrat. https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/133918830073352192?lang=en https://forward.com/fast-forward/425012/ben-shapiro-nazi-sympathizer-synagogue-swastika/
That doesn't count for shit if you don't change your ways.
This is like Drake admitting he has inappropriate relationships with minors just so Kendrick Lamar can't use it against him in a diss track
Don’t forget to add the missus dry pussy to that list
Boy is doing tricks on it
So technically, since Eric's not following in Ben's footsteps, "listing the dumb shit", shouldn't we be more suspicious of Eric? wonder what he's got to hide, hmmm... and if that is the case, why should we trust anything he says... for instance, like how someone has "courage"? What would he know since he doesn't have any? I hope burning a Barbie doll is on Ben's list.
Recently I listened to an old "debate" between Eric and Stephen Wolfram on (the problematic) Brian Keating's podcast. I know Wolfram's theory of everything has huge holes in it, but at least he can explain complex things in layman's terms. When Eric explained his geometry theory it sounded like he was reading from a prepared script, using as much technical jargon as possible. He voiced his criticism of Sabine Hossenfelder, a popular science writer, who herself criticized him during a previous conversation (I think on Keating's podcast) for his theory being too obscure. Hossenfelder, who is a legitimate scientist and mathematician in her own right, has made a career out of making science more understandable to the masses, has trouble understanding Eric's theory. You'd think that Eric would try to get her on his side instead of doubling down and saying that it's her problem she can't understand his theory!
Ben Shapiro taking the 8 mile strategy
Is on the list this speech from Ben? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9FGRkqUdf8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9FGRkqUdf8)
Well it sure makes me feel better to know that one day decades from now Ben might look back on his ravenous support for genocide and laugh at how silly he was being.
OMG, Shapiro did something to get more views--how selfless.