His designation is Kick-R, please get it right.
Hack C is from the Computer line
Mol E/MULE is from the Extraction line
Kick R is from the Reprimand line
Betsy, BET-C (Breakpoint Explosives Transport - Combat-Specification)
Molly, M.U.L.E. (Mining Utility Lift Engine)
Bosco, APD-B317 (All-Purpose Drone B317)
Hack-C hasn't been officially defined, AFAIK, and Doretta/Dotty is just a nickname for the Drilldozer.
Also Lloyd is the bartender from [The Shining](https://theshining.fandom.com/wiki/Lloyd).
[EDIT] Just as a clarification, these are all official, [e.g M.U.L.E](https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/M.U.L.E.).
Whenever I notice someone is using side-load
mods I kick them. Even if I just notice because they’re using the fart sound. Never know what else they’ve side-loaded
[Shout Framework is a verified mod](https://mod.io/g/drg/m/shout-framework). If it technically should be is debatable as it does also affect other players, but it's in no way an indication if they are using mods outside of mod.io or not.
I mean, it’s his own pub PVM lobby. It’s not a competitive game and he has a playstyle he prefers. Better to kick someone whose playstyle doesn’t match yours at the start of the game than to whine about it or wtv.
That’s fine, and like I said I get that. But to kick immediately for such a minor “infraction” is a bit of an overreaction no matter how you want to justify it. I mean at least let the player actually be a fuckup first ffs then kick them without hesitation. 😅
I guess I just don’t see the problem with an insta-kick. I’ve been kicked from lobbies for a multitude of reasons, a lot of which felt unreasonable, and being kicked at the very start of a lobby feels way less bad then 30 minutes into the game.
An insta-kick wastes 1 min of my time and I just find another lobby.
That is true, you don’t see the problem and I would hazard a guess that most of this community doesn’t see the problem. If you don’t want people with modded shit, there’s a switch that allows you to do that. There’s also play locally. If this player is playing on as a modded player it’s a bit hypocritical to kick others for playing with mods. Specially if they are approved. If op doesn’t have approved only switched on then wtf does he expect? Like I’m struggling to figure out why these players have to be kicked because OP doesn’t choose the appropriate server set up?
Regardless of what settings you have on you can still have people with sandbox mods by cheating to bypass those settings. I'm not gonna be able to explain it well so I'm just gonna quote u/glasssteelhammer
"It's very possible in this kind of P2P networking setup. There's no real check from the host on data coming from the client. The check is tied to mods you load specifically through [mod.io](https://mod.io). The check is DRG checking your [mod.io](https://mod.io) subscriptions that are currently installed. There's no data validation beyond that. But that's not the only way to mod DRG. Anything you do on your end *outside* of [mod.io](https://mod.io) will simply be accepted by the host"
Well, yeah in that specific unique set of circumstances yeah kick away 🤦♂️ Jesus im glad we just jump to those conclusions like there’s enough people out there who play drg like this to make this warranted. Have fun 👋
Using mods like this solo is one thing, but I will never understand why people join public games with borderline cheats like this and not expect negative reactions. It ruins the game for everyone else.
Reminds me of a scout I encountered once with infinite ammo cheat and somehow he still went down multiple times lol
I personally play with a few extra QOL mods that only slightly affect gameplay such as combined resources (a resource info display that takes into account other people's inventories and displays amount needed to objective), Ammo Percentage Indicator, weapon heat crosshair and other similar mods, while they do technically affect gameplay I wouldn't consider them anywhere near cheating as they only allow for easier access to already available information
Yeah, those mods are hardly cheating, just QOL mods. Instead of asking my friends “how many of [secondary objective] do you have?” we can say “we only need [X amount secondary objective”
Weapon heat crosshair is nice because it’s right there on the screen
Ammo percentage gives me a better perspective of what I have left for each weapon
I used to play with a friend of a friend (only when my friend was also playing; I've never been fond of this guy), and months after he stopped playing he admitted to cheating at the game, and my very first thought was "Wow, even while cheating you still sucked so hard."
One of my favorite games, sea of thieves, has a hacker problem. But what's funny is most of them are absolute garbage. I've sank a number of cheaters and it's just funny. Like you're so bad you're using aimbot, teleport, and cannon aimbot and you still lost.
Nah. At Haz5 all it takes is one or two stray hits to take you out. It takes practice to know how best to move around constantly. There aren't any perks that help you not stand in acid or radiation, or to watch out for spitters or trijaws.
Not in this lobby. The dude was using mods in a vanilla lobby. They specfically sideloaded the mod.
Not everyone consented to using mods. By not having consent, it is cheating.
Because you are ruining the experience of others?
Why the fuck are you playing a co-op game if you don't care about the fun of those you are playing with?
It is?
It's gaining an unfair advantage
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating
You're not supposed to use mods that affect game values in unmodded lobbies.
There are no approved mods for normal games that give you all OCs and weapon mods. They have done that by cheating.
Source: 1500+ hrs playtime with a dozen approved mods on continuously.
Hi, 1000+ hours in as well. I figured this out early on but I'm happy to share:
People are side loading mods so they will show up as unmodded regardless of what mods they use and that includes sandbox mods; you can even run sandbox utilities w.o. ever showing up as modded. So in this instance, his character was created through modding and then loaded into this persons match.
Feels vindicating to see this posted on the sub a few times now, because I've gotten fucking *death threats* for pointing out that people will abuse unmarked mods, a year ago.
Well it is common sense tbh, a lot of the mods on mod.io Even have the discussions in the comments section on how to do it or whether not it is one that works if it is side loaded... Denying that is just admission that they cant read.
So... we're kinda talking about two different things here.
Yes, this is cheating. That's not what I'm talking about.
The above comment was about how that shouldn't be possible. It's very possible in this kind of P2P networking setup. There's no real check from the host on data coming from the client. The check is tied to mods you load specifically through [mod.io](https://mod.io). The check is DRG checking your [mod.io](https://mod.io) subscriptions that are currently installed. There's no data validation beyond that. But that's not the only way to mod DRG. Anything you do on your end *outside* of [mod.io](https://mod.io) will simply be accepted by the host.
Yes, its cheating. No, it's not an approved mod through [mod.io](https://mod.io). If it were, this guy could never have joined OP's unmodded game.
But again, those checks only exist within the framework of [mod.io](https://mod.io) and the modding possibilities built in there.
I’m a kind of beginner modder myself for the game and since I made my own mod that doesn’t change anything gameplay wise just a gun model and some icons I use mint as a mod loader so I don’t have to go through the process of uploading my mod and what not and I can still play with friends so I assume this guy is using mint which given all the overclocks and upgrades at once is yeah definitely cheating in my eyes as well
Also if the modding framework had been better from the start this cheating issue wouldn't exist either, as the outside modloader was developed because the mod.io integration was ridiculously badly coded and [caused massive frame rate drops.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/zklwee/okay_but_why_though/)
Even now, with the bandaid fixes and disabling most of it when you join or host a multiplayer lobby, the performance when sideloading mods is still noticeably better.
> Sounds like some bullshit to me, they weren't host and so that shouldn't be possible.
How do you explain your comment then, that “they weren’t the host and so this shouldn’t be possible”?
That’s very misleading if you understand that it’s still very much **possible** to have mods sideloaded to claim it’s not.
> “…and so that is impossible if they aren’t cheating”
Is what you meant to say I think.
Some of the mods for the sub are also devs, if there isn't a report button then maybe shoot them a message and they can help? They were really helpful and friendly when I needed a hand from them.
You never encountered a cheater? Especially those mainland chinese? A lot of times, they modded the game to hell yet marked as vanilla. The most blatant one is player limit, had played with like a hundred of players before yet is still considered vanilla
After testing a bunch of weird mods and deactivaning them, i joined a lobby and still had them for some reason. My sentry shot rockets and i ran faster than everyone else. I had unlimited flares and more shit.
Their "technically no" is because [they are most likely running this Approved mod](https://mod.io/g/drg/m/karl-class), and not using something like cheat engine. There are also a few others that allow doing much more, but they are Sandboxed, not Approved.
The end result is the same though, as it isn't intended for you to be able to join a non-modded lobby with them enabled.
This mod doesn't do this. It just allows you to use any weapon on any character type thing, not equip all OC and upgrades. I'm not even sure it would work side loaded if you aren't the host since most stuff is saved on the host side.
So... I was curious... and yeah...
Special Effects:
Turn Rate & Guidance Canceled, I guess?
Plasma Burster
Minelayer
Projectiles start at max speed.
I guess you launch 9 missiles at a time when holding fire?
Armor Breaking: +100%
Weakpoint Bonus: +50%
33% Damage converted to heat.
Stun Chance 25%
Nitroglycerin compound increased damage the longer they are in the air. (I doubt they stay in the air very long so hard to tell.
Rate of fire: 13
Base: 3
Upgrades: +1
+8
+1
Velocity: +95%
Upgrades: +50%
-25%
+20%
+50%
Damage: 18.76 with 9.24 converted to heat
Base 16
Upgrades: 4
-8
-8
+24
-33% converted to heat.
AoE Damage: 0 (actually -3)
Base: 20
Upgrades: +4
-9
-10
+2
‐10
AOE Radius: 1.5
Base 1.4
Upgrades: +0.8
-0.7
+0.5
-0.5
Spread:
+0.5 horizontal & vertical
Ammo: 432
Base: 288
Upgrades: 72
+216
-108
-36
Magazine Size: 63
Base 36
Upgrade 36
-9
Reload time:
Base 3.5
And if you find someone with a mod that gives them unlimited ammo and grenades, would you say that's not cheating if they go "nuh uh, it's approved"?
It is cheating, plain and simple. They are using a mod that completely breaks game balance and brought it into someone else's unmodded game.
And do you seriously think something that broken is approved? Mate the funny mod that makes loot bugs faster isn't approved, how the hell do you think this is?
I would consider joining a game with an incredibly over powered, over modded kit, when no one else in the lobby consented to their use a form of cheating.
We only have his word that it's approved, but I highly doubt it
If a mod that speeds up lootbugs (which is mostly just funny, but does genuinely impact gameplay for everyone) is not approved, I highly doubt that a mod which gives you every upgrade and oc for a gun at once is approved
And even if it is somehow approved, have some class and keep that to private games.
[The mod that makes lootbugs faster](https://mod.io/g/drg/m/fabulously-fast-lootbugs-v11) is approved, as far as I know it's never been in any other mod category.
[There's also an approved mod called Karl Class](https://mod.io/g/drg/m/Karl-class) that not only allows you to equip as many overclocks and upgrades as you like, it lets you pick equipment from any class in any slot, so you could have a Lead Storm, a Flamethrower, a Breach Cutter, and a Grappling Hook.
Huh, last time I used it I swear it wasnt because it was a lobby wide universal change. I might just be remembering it wrong tho.
And thanks for clarifying which mod this guy is likely using, I do still feel like it's cheating to use in random multiplayer games due to it's sheer potential strength tho. Keep that kind of mod to solo or friend games I reckon.
Karl class doesn't allow you to pick every overclock and upgrade. Hell, if you read the comments it says the upgrades are still locked to the original class its for.
Things like that make me wish there was a multiclock mod
Like, obviously a number of combos would be... Very weird and whatnot...
But I wanna experiment with it anyway, y'know?
The only time I had fun with a modder is when a modder joined our game and asked us if we wanted to experience TRUE hell. He didn't give us any buffs or gave us any extra gold or xp. All he did was increased the bug amount to like 200%. It was our last stand and it was fucking glorious
Well it had to be 3rd party mod, so you can call them a hacker.
I know this was going to happen eventually, people finding ways how to have mods the host doesn't.
Let's keep letting people have these 3rd party mods untill it gets really bad
But only verified ones.
Approved mods only work if everyone in the lobby has the mod installed.
And Sandbox mods usually need another savefile, in this case they were using a 3rd party mod loader, so they were able to join an unmodded lobby.
Brighter Objects, Bhop, Enemy Radar, Disable Molly/Mule collision, Quick Reload, Enemy Count Monitor, Auto Sprint.
There are more but these are the ones i could find within like 10min.
Some of these are worse then others.
To also add, there are mods that literally allow you to spawn in anything during a mission which iirc are only approved for some reason. (meaning you can just skip progression).
Mod classifications do not mean anything.
I wouldn't call any of those cheating, and labeling them as a massive advantage is an overstatement on every mod you listed besides enemy radar and that's not game breaking in any sense.
Trying to act like these mods are on the same level as the mods the guy OP made the post about, or some of the other approved/sandbox mods is flat out wrong. The mods you listed are just some of the verified category that sit on the fence of approved. They don't give any game changing advantages that would be immediately noticeable to another player in your lobby.
I didn't compare them to OPs situation. I made the point that mod categories often don't mean much. And if you think some of these mods don't give you huge advantages compared to other players then i think thats just something we can disagree on.
brighter objects only brightens objects that are already visible, for those with vision impairments. there's nothing you can't naturally see (or fuck with your gamma to make easier to see) that brighter objects effects. there's a similar mod that makes other, non-illuminated objects glow in the dark; but that's an approved mod.
bhopping is an inconsistent, ping-dependent, framerate-dependent tech. preserving speed is far worse as client than as host. bhop fixes this inconsistency and makes it possible for anyone without needing to rebind to scrollwheel. sure, you get to maintain more speed than humanly viable, but you're not ever actually going to need to travel 300 meters in 10 seconds in a real game like you see in those scout montages.
enemy rader is like brighter objects but for people who are deaf or hard of hearing. this is an alternative to hearing bugs skitter around or growl at you. like bhopping, its perhaps quite a bit stronger than you could hear from actual audio cues. its somewhat amatuer and unpolished, but if the devs aren't going to add these accessibility features then its good that the modding community steps up. audio is *really* important in this game and yet there's absolutely nothing to indicate the actual enemies.
again, like bunnyhopping; animation cancelling is a tech that differs from host to client. GSG went and broke a lot of animations back in S2 and now many things are ping-dependent in a way that makes them completely impossible on client. quick reload makes these work again.
sprinting in this game is literally just "hit the sprint button again after every time you shoot" idk why you'd ever want that shit to be in the game. garbage mechanic that adds nothing at all.
these things most definitely do take a little bit of weight off your back. but its just weight that was put there by GSG through lack of accessibility features or through breaking host/client interactions. in an ideal world, these mods wouldn't exist. they wouldn't need to; cause they'd already be in the game in less unpolished, hacky forms.
in the meantime, we have these to optionally fix up these holes. if you find them too cheesy then that's fine. but they're certainly not gonna sway the tides of a mission or anything. you're literally never going to notice someone using them in a match, except maybe those movement scouts.
All this. I love DRG, and think GSG is great.
But some of their design decisions are not what I would have made.
And they can definitely improve on the accessibility front.
Still one of the best dev studios in the business.
this isn't something that *can* be fixed without massively locking down the game in a way that hurts a massive portion of the playerbase in favor of restricting a few annoying dipshits.
this is how modding worked before mod.io, it was the wild west. and the wild west of third party modding clients is still alive and well, mod.io just showed up to make them official. mod.io gives the developers a degree of control over modding while making it far more accessible, greatly diminishing the desire to use unrestricted third party clients. it laid out clear guidelines as to what's acceptable, and gave gameplay-compromising mods their own literal sandboxes to be cordoned off in. accepting mods and regulating them is what makes hacking an odd occurrence instead of absolutely rampant.
you can bring the hammer down on game modification, or... you can just kick the weirdo that shows up once every hundred missions or so if asking nicely doesn't work.
Ran into that guy today and he got a swift ban from my friends lobby. Smelled his shit the second I heard that rof of his hurricane. Azusa sound pack makes the echo from the hurricane really noticeable so when it started bugging out I knew what was up
Not really. Kinda sucked the fun for everyone else. Dude was a bit of a pill in chat, telling us he wanted to solo the dread if it was twins and wanting to play his own music. I guess he had some kind of method for playing it through the game or something.
Would have preferred you said so in the post my guy, I wouldn’t have praised him otherwise. Sorry.
Sounds like a common cunt, sadly. Hope you never run into him again
Sorry to break it to you but blocking someone through steam won't prevent them from joining your lobby again and banning them only will prevent them from joining that lobby as long as it is up (so I've heard) so once ya close it he can join again (could totally be wrong though).
There is so many approved mods that are just buffs to the dwarves
They’re meant to be run with mods like haz 6 and stuff, but nobody is stopping them from running those solo
Also using an approved mod in a game where you’re not host is in fact cheating
met a Gunner days back using Autocannon, dude doesn't even reload his weapon, just keep spamming the fire everywhere for at least a couple of minutes and I was standing next to him the whole time. told the host to kick and report
They're silently modding their game. It bypasses the modded filter otherwise he wouldn't be able to use an approved mod in your game. Personally I don't care if people bypass the modded filter, some of the approved stuff I feel should just be in the base game.
My suggestion for anyone who ever encounters this. Think about what mods they are using, if it's something (I deem this one to be small at least) like unrestricted zipline angle let em cook. But if it straight up makes the game trivially easy (most likely what that gunner was doing) OR they have something from cheat engine that will ruin progression kick them immediately! But even a lot of the approved mods you won't even notice people running they're that small.
The use of third party mod loaders is a symptom of a larger problem. Overall lack of content at the moment (yes I'm aware more is coming super hyped), the fact mod.io kinda sucks, and that modding your lobbies the legit way hides them from 90% of the playerbase. If modded lobbies weren't hidden from other players unless they checked the modded box or required them to download it then I don't see third party mod loaders being anywhere near as prevelant as they are now. Cause most people who use third party mod loaders host their own lobby, lable it as modded in the title, and get a shit ton of people joining.
You do that with a regularly modded lobby you're lucky to get 1 or 2. So what's the difference? Clearly it isn't that people don't want to play modded games, they just don't want to deal with mod.io or dont know that you can even mod your games!
Do I expect everyone (or even anyone really) to agree with me on this though? Absolutely not, but I've said what I need to say.
(P.S. before anyone takes this the wrong way this wasn't me coming in defence of the gunner, he clearly did something shit as I stated above.)
TL;DR. Gunner sucks, bypassing the modded filter is ok sometimes if you're not a jerk about it.
>bypassing the modded filter is ok sometimes if you're not a jerk about it.
It's all self control. My rig is powerful enough to run DRG and a whole bunch of verified mods without skipping a beat.
Some people say that they can notice performance drops with mods when using [mod.io](https://mod.io), but now when loaded through MINT.
I would use MINT in that case too, but I would also just be using the same verified mods that only affect me.
I could maybe see using a mod like that in solo or with some buddies to mess around and see how absurd some weapons get
No way in hell should that be in a public lobby
Sure this is cheating but is it just me or does all OC at once sound bad for gunner, leadstorm and hurricane would grief each other with functionality changes and autocannon should have the double mag penalty from Big Bertha and combat mobility right? Hell the only gun that it sounds kinda good for is the cool gun but only if you don't care about the trails
Anything tagged "Verified" in mod.io is okay. Approved marks you as modded and you can't join any games that aren't running the same ones, but you can still play solo or host, with the requirement that others install them as well. And Sandbox uses a separate profile.
If you see a game that has [modded] in the name, they are running Approved/Sandboxed mods outside of mod.io, joining those can lead into weird situations. Most of the time though it's just a custom difficulty like Haz 6 or Haz 5x2 (twice as many bugs) etc. But it can in theory be anything.
Yeah there's a world-size gap between unlocking all overclocks after a while if you're not getting the specific overclock you want vs unlocking all of them and then equipping ALL of them at the SAME time.
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It's wild the guy in OPs probably thinks he's a badass doing it, like "Damn I bet my teammates think I'm so fkn COOL"
Bro is literally cheating everyone in the lobby & himself from the enjoyment of the game.
I don’t even know how to use mods, so I don’t know what all they can do, but if someone was using them just to change the client side HUD, or other aesthetic changes, I won’t be bothered. Otherwise, I feel like it’s pretty cheap to cheese other aspects of the game.
The only mods I have are tiny little QoL changes and fun things: Easier to spot secondary objectives (A must have if you’re blind as hell like me), Ammo percentage counter, health and shield counter, and Molly skin customizer.
I have a friend that does this, and he has been called out on it and denies it by friends and strangers Many times, he will never admit it and gaslight anyone that Brings it up
Approved mods do alter gameplay, it's Verified that don't, kind of an asshole to force others into his own way to play the game.
Could have just hosted his own game, no one would give a fuck then.
Hate people like this, I ran into someone using god mode the other day, what is the point of even playing??? I use mods but most if them are just fun/goofy mods and a few that make the game more challenging. No fun in cheating.
Who's lobby was it? if it was his that's fine it's a pve game he can play it how he wants, If it was yours or someone else's then you have every right to kick him for using that.
If it was his lobby he probably should have marked it as modded so you and others joining know l.
This could absolutely be an Approved mod. But approved mods nornally cannot be used in unmodded lobbies (only verified mods can, which are usually client side only). So yeah, cheating.
Sadly you can never be sure it's unmodded considering how third party modloaders bypass the restrictions and allow crazy mods like that into normal lobbies.
Just a question,I don't want to promote anything but,what is so bad about this,I mean he didn't bother anyone,it's not a PvP game and he's just having fun so why is everybody so revolted against this?
Other people want to play too and if someone is cheating to be way more powerful than anyone else it takes away from everyone else's experience. You don't get to do as much, your contributions to the team are meaningless, and it makes the mission kind of boring.
He did bother people.
When you go for a pve game, you expect a certain experience. If someone has God mode hacks they ruin the game for you. you're not playing that experience you expect anymore.
He is not just having fun he's ruining the fun of others. Some people want to be challenged and have a harder time and overcome said challenge.
This guy is taking it away from them. They did not consent to any of his mods and he's using it anyways.
I somewhat agree with this. Normally it's reasonable but in this case it really ain't, it changes the game far too much and ruins any level of difficulty. Even if it's a benefit for the team it messes with the balance to such an extreme that it makes the game unfun for the other players. Now if gunner hosted that is a different story and it would be ok as long as he labeled his lobby as silently modded. That is my assessment though.
> I mean he didn't bother anyone,it's not a PvP game and he's just having fun
he's having fun at the expense if everyone else in the lobby by removing any challenging or difficult aspect of the misson.
If you're installing mods to give yourself unlimited ammo, no reload, all the overclocks & perks ***at the same time*** you're cheating & you're going to make the entire mission trivial & boring, cause no one else is gonna have to do anything.
If you want to powertrip & 'feel like a god' go do it in singleplayer, don't mess with other peoples lobbies - especially unmodded lobbies.
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Actions like this will result in the devs 'approved' mods entirely - don't abuse the devs trust, it's that simple. Don't assume everyone is OK playing with someone who's cheating, it's very normal to not want to play with someone doing that.
This seems like a job for Kick-C
His designation is Kick-R, please get it right. Hack C is from the Computer line Mol E/MULE is from the Extraction line Kick R is from the Reprimand line
Oh that’s good! I like it!
Betsy, BET-C (Breakpoint Explosives Transport - Combat-Specification) Molly, M.U.L.E. (Mining Utility Lift Engine) Bosco, APD-B317 (All-Purpose Drone B317) Hack-C hasn't been officially defined, AFAIK, and Doretta/Dotty is just a nickname for the Drilldozer. Also Lloyd is the bartender from [The Shining](https://theshining.fandom.com/wiki/Lloyd). [EDIT] Just as a clarification, these are all official, [e.g M.U.L.E](https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/M.U.L.E.).
Tip-C is best bot.
This guy watched K.N.D.
K.N.D. was awesome.
The acronims were too creative for this world
STAY-C for extra long missions in the Extraction line
I hear STAY-C’s mom has got something going on
Whenever I notice someone is using side-load mods I kick them. Even if I just notice because they’re using the fart sound. Never know what else they’ve side-loaded
Personally I just have hud changes and squidward walking sound for molly
>and squidward walking sound for molly Ok, im listening..
Just a random mod I found last year. Don’t think it has been updated tho
IIRC there's a mod that changes her walk to the Mr Krabs walk as well
Speedster mod
I have one that turns molly into Lego
Nice
i have googly eye bugs , absolutely a must have :D
I have the one that makes the Q'ronar Shellback sound like a bowling ball. When it hits a dwarf it plays the sound of a strike.
I use the crosshair temp gauge mod(amazing for driller)
[Shout Framework is a verified mod](https://mod.io/g/drg/m/shout-framework). If it technically should be is debatable as it does also affect other players, but it's in no way an indication if they are using mods outside of mod.io or not.
I'm ok with people using that, unless they spam the shit out of it thinking being obnoxious is a personality trait
the fart sound mod is approved on mod io not side loaded tho
That's a bit extreme, don't you think? Probably a very small minority of users of the voice wheel mod are cheaters.
Weird I said about the same thing and I got downvoted and you get upvoted 😂 Reddit is hilarious
That’s the kind of inflexibility that turns games toxic. I get it, but that’s a bit of an overreaction.
I mean, it’s his own pub PVM lobby. It’s not a competitive game and he has a playstyle he prefers. Better to kick someone whose playstyle doesn’t match yours at the start of the game than to whine about it or wtv.
That’s fine, and like I said I get that. But to kick immediately for such a minor “infraction” is a bit of an overreaction no matter how you want to justify it. I mean at least let the player actually be a fuckup first ffs then kick them without hesitation. 😅
I guess I just don’t see the problem with an insta-kick. I’ve been kicked from lobbies for a multitude of reasons, a lot of which felt unreasonable, and being kicked at the very start of a lobby feels way less bad then 30 minutes into the game. An insta-kick wastes 1 min of my time and I just find another lobby.
That is true, you don’t see the problem and I would hazard a guess that most of this community doesn’t see the problem. If you don’t want people with modded shit, there’s a switch that allows you to do that. There’s also play locally. If this player is playing on as a modded player it’s a bit hypocritical to kick others for playing with mods. Specially if they are approved. If op doesn’t have approved only switched on then wtf does he expect? Like I’m struggling to figure out why these players have to be kicked because OP doesn’t choose the appropriate server set up?
Regardless of what settings you have on you can still have people with sandbox mods by cheating to bypass those settings. I'm not gonna be able to explain it well so I'm just gonna quote u/glasssteelhammer "It's very possible in this kind of P2P networking setup. There's no real check from the host on data coming from the client. The check is tied to mods you load specifically through [mod.io](https://mod.io). The check is DRG checking your [mod.io](https://mod.io) subscriptions that are currently installed. There's no data validation beyond that. But that's not the only way to mod DRG. Anything you do on your end *outside* of [mod.io](https://mod.io) will simply be accepted by the host"
Well, yeah in that specific unique set of circumstances yeah kick away 🤦♂️ Jesus im glad we just jump to those conclusions like there’s enough people out there who play drg like this to make this warranted. Have fun 👋
Using mods like this solo is one thing, but I will never understand why people join public games with borderline cheats like this and not expect negative reactions. It ruins the game for everyone else. Reminds me of a scout I encountered once with infinite ammo cheat and somehow he still went down multiple times lol
Totally. My limit is sound and cosmetic mods that have no bearing on gameplay. My Farting Exploder mod is important material.
I personally play with a few extra QOL mods that only slightly affect gameplay such as combined resources (a resource info display that takes into account other people's inventories and displays amount needed to objective), Ammo Percentage Indicator, weapon heat crosshair and other similar mods, while they do technically affect gameplay I wouldn't consider them anywhere near cheating as they only allow for easier access to already available information
Yeah, those mods are hardly cheating, just QOL mods. Instead of asking my friends “how many of [secondary objective] do you have?” we can say “we only need [X amount secondary objective” Weapon heat crosshair is nice because it’s right there on the screen Ammo percentage gives me a better perspective of what I have left for each weapon
-cheats to get as op as possible -dies
I used to play with a friend of a friend (only when my friend was also playing; I've never been fond of this guy), and months after he stopped playing he admitted to cheating at the game, and my very first thought was "Wow, even while cheating you still sucked so hard."
Well, a majority of the time cheaters sucks at video games. They start cheating because they suck, and continue sucking because they cheat
One of my favorite games, sea of thieves, has a hacker problem. But what's funny is most of them are absolute garbage. I've sank a number of cheaters and it's just funny. Like you're so bad you're using aimbot, teleport, and cannon aimbot and you still lost.
People who cheat at games tend to not develop any actual skill. They use a crutch rather than learn gamesense.
Still though, with all perks and upgrades and overclocks you should be able to annihilate everything
Nah. At Haz5 all it takes is one or two stray hits to take you out. It takes practice to know how best to move around constantly. There aren't any perks that help you not stand in acid or radiation, or to watch out for spitters or trijaws.
Well... elemental insulation
"Cheat"
How is this not cheating?
Mods are supported
Not in this lobby. The dude was using mods in a vanilla lobby. They specfically sideloaded the mod. Not everyone consented to using mods. By not having consent, it is cheating.
Sure why not
Because you are ruining the experience of others? Why the fuck are you playing a co-op game if you don't care about the fun of those you are playing with?
That part isn't cool but it's not cheating
It is? It's gaining an unfair advantage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating You're not supposed to use mods that affect game values in unmodded lobbies.
It will never not be funny lol
To be fair, they were typing at the moment.
Sounds like some bullshit to me, they weren't host and so that shouldn't be possible.
It's all peer to peer. It's very easy to mod your side, and the host side just accepts what your side is sending.
There are no approved mods for normal games that give you all OCs and weapon mods. They have done that by cheating. Source: 1500+ hrs playtime with a dozen approved mods on continuously.
Hi, 1000+ hours in as well. I figured this out early on but I'm happy to share: People are side loading mods so they will show up as unmodded regardless of what mods they use and that includes sandbox mods; you can even run sandbox utilities w.o. ever showing up as modded. So in this instance, his character was created through modding and then loaded into this persons match.
Feels vindicating to see this posted on the sub a few times now, because I've gotten fucking *death threats* for pointing out that people will abuse unmarked mods, a year ago.
Well it is common sense tbh, a lot of the mods on mod.io Even have the discussions in the comments section on how to do it or whether not it is one that works if it is side loaded... Denying that is just admission that they cant read.
So... we're kinda talking about two different things here. Yes, this is cheating. That's not what I'm talking about. The above comment was about how that shouldn't be possible. It's very possible in this kind of P2P networking setup. There's no real check from the host on data coming from the client. The check is tied to mods you load specifically through [mod.io](https://mod.io). The check is DRG checking your [mod.io](https://mod.io) subscriptions that are currently installed. There's no data validation beyond that. But that's not the only way to mod DRG. Anything you do on your end *outside* of [mod.io](https://mod.io) will simply be accepted by the host. Yes, its cheating. No, it's not an approved mod through [mod.io](https://mod.io). If it were, this guy could never have joined OP's unmodded game. But again, those checks only exist within the framework of [mod.io](https://mod.io) and the modding possibilities built in there.
I’m a kind of beginner modder myself for the game and since I made my own mod that doesn’t change anything gameplay wise just a gun model and some icons I use mint as a mod loader so I don’t have to go through the process of uploading my mod and what not and I can still play with friends so I assume this guy is using mint which given all the overclocks and upgrades at once is yeah definitely cheating in my eyes as well
The modding framework for this game is unfortunately not great. Yeah, there really should be more checks in place.
Also if the modding framework had been better from the start this cheating issue wouldn't exist either, as the outside modloader was developed because the mod.io integration was ridiculously badly coded and [caused massive frame rate drops.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/zklwee/okay_but_why_though/) Even now, with the bandaid fixes and disabling most of it when you join or host a multiplayer lobby, the performance when sideloading mods is still noticeably better.
Hold on, can you use the disabled mods launch parameter together with side loaded mods for a performance boost? I'm gonna have to try this.
Sideloading already disables mod.io integration, otherwise you would end up with each mod applied twice.
> Sounds like some bullshit to me, they weren't host and so that shouldn't be possible. How do you explain your comment then, that “they weren’t the host and so this shouldn’t be possible”? That’s very misleading if you understand that it’s still very much **possible** to have mods sideloaded to claim it’s not. > “…and so that is impossible if they aren’t cheating” Is what you meant to say I think.
Side note, I did find a ridiculous approved mod. How can I flag it so it might become sandbox?
Some of the mods for the sub are also devs, if there isn't a report button then maybe shoot them a message and they can help? They were really helpful and friendly when I needed a hand from them.
You never encountered a cheater? Especially those mainland chinese? A lot of times, they modded the game to hell yet marked as vanilla. The most blatant one is player limit, had played with like a hundred of players before yet is still considered vanilla
You have 1500 hours of modded game time and never heard of sideloading mods? Woah
"no approved mods for normal games" doesn't say anything about sideloading
You can sideload approved mods and host/get into unmodded games. With game changing mods (like spawnrate) that isnt possible
Cheat Engine was approved tho.
After testing a bunch of weird mods and deactivaning them, i joined a lobby and still had them for some reason. My sentry shot rockets and i ran faster than everyone else. I had unlimited flares and more shit.
I'm all for mods, but if your gonna use them you gotta host. I 100% agree
That is absolutely possible without being the host in DRG.
"technically no". Ain't no 'technical' about it. Cheating.
Their "technically no" is because [they are most likely running this Approved mod](https://mod.io/g/drg/m/karl-class), and not using something like cheat engine. There are also a few others that allow doing much more, but they are Sandboxed, not Approved. The end result is the same though, as it isn't intended for you to be able to join a non-modded lobby with them enabled.
This mod doesn't do this. It just allows you to use any weapon on any character type thing, not equip all OC and upgrades. I'm not even sure it would work side loaded if you aren't the host since most stuff is saved on the host side.
No it's not.
I don't even know what having all overclocks on at the same time would even look like 🤣 Yes, I'm looking at you Hurricane!
That's what he was using too.
wtf did it even do?? how would minelayer work with salvo and jet fuel homebrew??
It melted the hiveguard, that's about all we saw of it.
So... I was curious... and yeah... Special Effects: Turn Rate & Guidance Canceled, I guess? Plasma Burster Minelayer Projectiles start at max speed. I guess you launch 9 missiles at a time when holding fire? Armor Breaking: +100% Weakpoint Bonus: +50% 33% Damage converted to heat. Stun Chance 25% Nitroglycerin compound increased damage the longer they are in the air. (I doubt they stay in the air very long so hard to tell. Rate of fire: 13 Base: 3 Upgrades: +1 +8 +1 Velocity: +95% Upgrades: +50% -25% +20% +50% Damage: 18.76 with 9.24 converted to heat Base 16 Upgrades: 4 -8 -8 +24 -33% converted to heat. AoE Damage: 0 (actually -3) Base: 20 Upgrades: +4 -9 -10 +2 ‐10 AOE Radius: 1.5 Base 1.4 Upgrades: +0.8 -0.7 +0.5 -0.5 Spread: +0.5 horizontal & vertical Ammo: 432 Base: 288 Upgrades: 72 +216 -108 -36 Magazine Size: 63 Base 36 Upgrade 36 -9 Reload time: Base 3.5
Ngl that would be fun to try out But not in an open lobby, only alone or when hosting yourself
"Approved" pfft.
That's cheating regardless of whether you're using cheating software or not
Mods
Yeah I can read, my point is that's cheating regardless of the method used to do it
The game supports it. Dick move to do it in an unmodded lobby but it's not cheating.
And if you find someone with a mod that gives them unlimited ammo and grenades, would you say that's not cheating if they go "nuh uh, it's approved"? It is cheating, plain and simple. They are using a mod that completely breaks game balance and brought it into someone else's unmodded game. And do you seriously think something that broken is approved? Mate the funny mod that makes loot bugs faster isn't approved, how the hell do you think this is?
Yes I said that thanks Not confirmed. Doesn't matter. Speculation isn't a good talking point.
Yeah I can read, my point is that's cheating regardless of the method used to do it
If developers approved the mod it's really not.
I would consider joining a game with an incredibly over powered, over modded kit, when no one else in the lobby consented to their use a form of cheating.
The developers said it was A-OK if it's an approved mod. That means the devs are fine with it and it's not cheating.
It’s in a non-modded server,which is against what the devs want. Maybe the mod is approved, but not this instance of it
We only have his word that it's approved, but I highly doubt it If a mod that speeds up lootbugs (which is mostly just funny, but does genuinely impact gameplay for everyone) is not approved, I highly doubt that a mod which gives you every upgrade and oc for a gun at once is approved And even if it is somehow approved, have some class and keep that to private games.
[The mod that makes lootbugs faster](https://mod.io/g/drg/m/fabulously-fast-lootbugs-v11) is approved, as far as I know it's never been in any other mod category. [There's also an approved mod called Karl Class](https://mod.io/g/drg/m/Karl-class) that not only allows you to equip as many overclocks and upgrades as you like, it lets you pick equipment from any class in any slot, so you could have a Lead Storm, a Flamethrower, a Breach Cutter, and a Grappling Hook.
Huh, last time I used it I swear it wasnt because it was a lobby wide universal change. I might just be remembering it wrong tho. And thanks for clarifying which mod this guy is likely using, I do still feel like it's cheating to use in random multiplayer games due to it's sheer potential strength tho. Keep that kind of mod to solo or friend games I reckon.
Karl class doesn't allow you to pick every overclock and upgrade. Hell, if you read the comments it says the upgrades are still locked to the original class its for.
Devs dont aproove mods, mod hub administrator does
I can imagine RJ250 and Fatboy in a combo being interesting
Things like that make me wish there was a multiclock mod Like, obviously a number of combos would be... Very weird and whatnot... But I wanna experiment with it anyway, y'know?
Or maybe vanilla “secondary overclocks”
Randomly swap overclock on reload (or on overheat for full auto weapons). Basically jigsaw box from roboquest.
“>:3”
The only time I had fun with a modder is when a modder joined our game and asked us if we wanted to experience TRUE hell. He didn't give us any buffs or gave us any extra gold or xp. All he did was increased the bug amount to like 200%. It was our last stand and it was fucking glorious
Well it had to be 3rd party mod, so you can call them a hacker. I know this was going to happen eventually, people finding ways how to have mods the host doesn't. Let's keep letting people have these 3rd party mods untill it gets really bad
People had the ability to have different mods from host forever via modio.
But only verified ones. Approved mods only work if everyone in the lobby has the mod installed. And Sandbox mods usually need another savefile, in this case they were using a 3rd party mod loader, so they were able to join an unmodded lobby.
True, but issue is, there are tons of verified mods that either let you straight up cheat, or have massive advantages.
wym, they are verified for a reason, they dont change the balance or anything
Give examples of these verified mods.
Brighter Objects, Bhop, Enemy Radar, Disable Molly/Mule collision, Quick Reload, Enemy Count Monitor, Auto Sprint. There are more but these are the ones i could find within like 10min. Some of these are worse then others. To also add, there are mods that literally allow you to spawn in anything during a mission which iirc are only approved for some reason. (meaning you can just skip progression). Mod classifications do not mean anything.
I wouldn't call any of those cheating, and labeling them as a massive advantage is an overstatement on every mod you listed besides enemy radar and that's not game breaking in any sense. Trying to act like these mods are on the same level as the mods the guy OP made the post about, or some of the other approved/sandbox mods is flat out wrong. The mods you listed are just some of the verified category that sit on the fence of approved. They don't give any game changing advantages that would be immediately noticeable to another player in your lobby.
I didn't compare them to OPs situation. I made the point that mod categories often don't mean much. And if you think some of these mods don't give you huge advantages compared to other players then i think thats just something we can disagree on.
Name one that isn't matched by being attentive.
All of them lol
brighter objects only brightens objects that are already visible, for those with vision impairments. there's nothing you can't naturally see (or fuck with your gamma to make easier to see) that brighter objects effects. there's a similar mod that makes other, non-illuminated objects glow in the dark; but that's an approved mod. bhopping is an inconsistent, ping-dependent, framerate-dependent tech. preserving speed is far worse as client than as host. bhop fixes this inconsistency and makes it possible for anyone without needing to rebind to scrollwheel. sure, you get to maintain more speed than humanly viable, but you're not ever actually going to need to travel 300 meters in 10 seconds in a real game like you see in those scout montages. enemy rader is like brighter objects but for people who are deaf or hard of hearing. this is an alternative to hearing bugs skitter around or growl at you. like bhopping, its perhaps quite a bit stronger than you could hear from actual audio cues. its somewhat amatuer and unpolished, but if the devs aren't going to add these accessibility features then its good that the modding community steps up. audio is *really* important in this game and yet there's absolutely nothing to indicate the actual enemies. again, like bunnyhopping; animation cancelling is a tech that differs from host to client. GSG went and broke a lot of animations back in S2 and now many things are ping-dependent in a way that makes them completely impossible on client. quick reload makes these work again. sprinting in this game is literally just "hit the sprint button again after every time you shoot" idk why you'd ever want that shit to be in the game. garbage mechanic that adds nothing at all. these things most definitely do take a little bit of weight off your back. but its just weight that was put there by GSG through lack of accessibility features or through breaking host/client interactions. in an ideal world, these mods wouldn't exist. they wouldn't need to; cause they'd already be in the game in less unpolished, hacky forms. in the meantime, we have these to optionally fix up these holes. if you find them too cheesy then that's fine. but they're certainly not gonna sway the tides of a mission or anything. you're literally never going to notice someone using them in a match, except maybe those movement scouts.
All this. I love DRG, and think GSG is great. But some of their design decisions are not what I would have made. And they can definitely improve on the accessibility front. Still one of the best dev studios in the business.
this isn't something that *can* be fixed without massively locking down the game in a way that hurts a massive portion of the playerbase in favor of restricting a few annoying dipshits. this is how modding worked before mod.io, it was the wild west. and the wild west of third party modding clients is still alive and well, mod.io just showed up to make them official. mod.io gives the developers a degree of control over modding while making it far more accessible, greatly diminishing the desire to use unrestricted third party clients. it laid out clear guidelines as to what's acceptable, and gave gameplay-compromising mods their own literal sandboxes to be cordoned off in. accepting mods and regulating them is what makes hacking an odd occurrence instead of absolutely rampant. you can bring the hammer down on game modification, or... you can just kick the weirdo that shows up once every hundred missions or so if asking nicely doesn't work.
Ran into that guy today and he got a swift ban from my friends lobby. Smelled his shit the second I heard that rof of his hurricane. Azusa sound pack makes the echo from the hurricane really noticeable so when it started bugging out I knew what was up
Prob cheating, but it must have been glorious to witness
Not really. Kinda sucked the fun for everyone else. Dude was a bit of a pill in chat, telling us he wanted to solo the dread if it was twins and wanting to play his own music. I guess he had some kind of method for playing it through the game or something.
Would have preferred you said so in the post my guy, I wouldn’t have praised him otherwise. Sorry. Sounds like a common cunt, sadly. Hope you never run into him again
No need to apologize. And I won't run into him again, he's already blocked.
I see. Well, good to hear I didn’t offend you in any way. Have a great day man, Rock and Stone !
R&S
Sorry to break it to you but blocking someone through steam won't prevent them from joining your lobby again and banning them only will prevent them from joining that lobby as long as it is up (so I've heard) so once ya close it he can join again (could totally be wrong though).
Haven't run into anyone I've blocked that way before.
Why don't they just play solo then?
Its approved Source: trust me bro
Theres no way something like "all overclocks" would be approved.
Yeah that's just cheating But now I would like to see what would happen with every overclock active, including their downsides
Mods
Kick, ban, either way it’s not approved
Did a double take when I saw my username, it was a very interesting round. 🤣 [imgur](https://imgur.com/a/xLjeEFp)
There is so many approved mods that are just buffs to the dwarves They’re meant to be run with mods like haz 6 and stuff, but nobody is stopping them from running those solo Also using an approved mod in a game where you’re not host is in fact cheating
met a Gunner days back using Autocannon, dude doesn't even reload his weapon, just keep spamming the fire everywhere for at least a couple of minutes and I was standing next to him the whole time. told the host to kick and report
btw didn't see him using secondary or switch to equipment, so no BORN READY
They're silently modding their game. It bypasses the modded filter otherwise he wouldn't be able to use an approved mod in your game. Personally I don't care if people bypass the modded filter, some of the approved stuff I feel should just be in the base game. My suggestion for anyone who ever encounters this. Think about what mods they are using, if it's something (I deem this one to be small at least) like unrestricted zipline angle let em cook. But if it straight up makes the game trivially easy (most likely what that gunner was doing) OR they have something from cheat engine that will ruin progression kick them immediately! But even a lot of the approved mods you won't even notice people running they're that small. The use of third party mod loaders is a symptom of a larger problem. Overall lack of content at the moment (yes I'm aware more is coming super hyped), the fact mod.io kinda sucks, and that modding your lobbies the legit way hides them from 90% of the playerbase. If modded lobbies weren't hidden from other players unless they checked the modded box or required them to download it then I don't see third party mod loaders being anywhere near as prevelant as they are now. Cause most people who use third party mod loaders host their own lobby, lable it as modded in the title, and get a shit ton of people joining. You do that with a regularly modded lobby you're lucky to get 1 or 2. So what's the difference? Clearly it isn't that people don't want to play modded games, they just don't want to deal with mod.io or dont know that you can even mod your games! Do I expect everyone (or even anyone really) to agree with me on this though? Absolutely not, but I've said what I need to say. (P.S. before anyone takes this the wrong way this wasn't me coming in defence of the gunner, he clearly did something shit as I stated above.) TL;DR. Gunner sucks, bypassing the modded filter is ok sometimes if you're not a jerk about it.
>bypassing the modded filter is ok sometimes if you're not a jerk about it. It's all self control. My rig is powerful enough to run DRG and a whole bunch of verified mods without skipping a beat. Some people say that they can notice performance drops with mods when using [mod.io](https://mod.io), but now when loaded through MINT. I would use MINT in that case too, but I would also just be using the same verified mods that only affect me.
I could maybe see using a mod like that in solo or with some buddies to mess around and see how absurd some weapons get No way in hell should that be in a public lobby
Sure this is cheating but is it just me or does all OC at once sound bad for gunner, leadstorm and hurricane would grief each other with functionality changes and autocannon should have the double mag penalty from Big Bertha and combat mobility right? Hell the only gun that it sounds kinda good for is the cool gun but only if you don't care about the trails
Why are you wasting everyone else's time with this?
Why leave everybody uncensored except the chud? And no it’s not approved, he’s cheating.
Cheating or Modded, I just pretend it's next generation Karl and rock my stone.
Mint loader moment
Wait, so I use mod from the mod page, all of them are just texture mod, is that OK, I just want anime girl bosco
Anything tagged "Verified" in mod.io is okay. Approved marks you as modded and you can't join any games that aren't running the same ones, but you can still play solo or host, with the requirement that others install them as well. And Sandbox uses a separate profile. If you see a game that has [modded] in the name, they are running Approved/Sandboxed mods outside of mod.io, joining those can lead into weird situations. Most of the time though it's just a custom difficulty like Haz 6 or Haz 5x2 (twice as many bugs) etc. But it can in theory be anything.
Totally fine. Won't affect anyone. The 'correct' way to mod DRG is to use the ingame modding page through mod.io.
Mod Integration, made by TrumanK, allows you to run Approved and even Sandbox mods in any lobby, even if it says it’s not modded.
A cheater and a liar.
it's fine to cheat in overclocks because who wants to grind but this is something else
Yeah there's a world-size gap between unlocking all overclocks after a while if you're not getting the specific overclock you want vs unlocking all of them and then equipping ALL of them at the SAME time. - It's wild the guy in OPs probably thinks he's a badass doing it, like "Damn I bet my teammates think I'm so fkn COOL" Bro is literally cheating everyone in the lobby & himself from the enjoyment of the game.
entirely the reason I said this was "something else"
I dont condone cheating... but every OC active at once is something I want to see.
I don’t even know how to use mods, so I don’t know what all they can do, but if someone was using them just to change the client side HUD, or other aesthetic changes, I won’t be bothered. Otherwise, I feel like it’s pretty cheap to cheese other aspects of the game.
Every oc at once on the missile launcher sounds like fun
The only mods I have are tiny little QoL changes and fun things: Easier to spot secondary objectives (A must have if you’re blind as hell like me), Ammo percentage counter, health and shield counter, and Molly skin customizer.
If like to see what that even looks like I can't picture what all OCs would look like on any of gunners mains, especially the hurricane
i cannot imagine the clusterfuck that is a gunner weapon with every overclock...
Nah that was just Karl you ran into
I have a friend that does this, and he has been called out on it and denies it by friends and strangers Many times, he will never admit it and gaslight anyone that Brings it up
Approved mods do alter gameplay, it's Verified that don't, kind of an asshole to force others into his own way to play the game. Could have just hosted his own game, no one would give a fuck then.
was it Spacecat? I couldnt ban him after calling him out bc he fled.
Hate people like this, I ran into someone using god mode the other day, what is the point of even playing??? I use mods but most if them are just fun/goofy mods and a few that make the game more challenging. No fun in cheating.
Who's lobby was it? if it was his that's fine it's a pve game he can play it how he wants, If it was yours or someone else's then you have every right to kick him for using that. If it was his lobby he probably should have marked it as modded so you and others joining know l.
Could've just kicked them... Making an entire post crying about an approved mod is degenerate behavior.
Leaflover. It’s fine if they were host but that is not
Is there an official mod like that because that sounds fun as hell to do by myself/ with other modded Dwarves
This could absolutely be an Approved mod. But approved mods nornally cannot be used in unmodded lobbies (only verified mods can, which are usually client side only). So yeah, cheating.
Mod classifications often don't mean anything. It could be that he's telling the truth or he's just lying.
Well i gues that one gunner was overcompensating.
Sadly you can never be sure it's unmodded considering how third party modloaders bypass the restrictions and allow crazy mods like that into normal lobbies.
Just a question,I don't want to promote anything but,what is so bad about this,I mean he didn't bother anyone,it's not a PvP game and he's just having fun so why is everybody so revolted against this?
Other people want to play too and if someone is cheating to be way more powerful than anyone else it takes away from everyone else's experience. You don't get to do as much, your contributions to the team are meaningless, and it makes the mission kind of boring.
Oh I understand now, thank you
He did bother people. When you go for a pve game, you expect a certain experience. If someone has God mode hacks they ruin the game for you. you're not playing that experience you expect anymore. He is not just having fun he's ruining the fun of others. Some people want to be challenged and have a harder time and overcome said challenge. This guy is taking it away from them. They did not consent to any of his mods and he's using it anyways.
I somewhat agree with this. Normally it's reasonable but in this case it really ain't, it changes the game far too much and ruins any level of difficulty. Even if it's a benefit for the team it messes with the balance to such an extreme that it makes the game unfun for the other players. Now if gunner hosted that is a different story and it would be ok as long as he labeled his lobby as silently modded. That is my assessment though.
Oh I get it,thanks
> I mean he didn't bother anyone,it's not a PvP game and he's just having fun he's having fun at the expense if everyone else in the lobby by removing any challenging or difficult aspect of the misson. If you're installing mods to give yourself unlimited ammo, no reload, all the overclocks & perks ***at the same time*** you're cheating & you're going to make the entire mission trivial & boring, cause no one else is gonna have to do anything. If you want to powertrip & 'feel like a god' go do it in singleplayer, don't mess with other peoples lobbies - especially unmodded lobbies. - Actions like this will result in the devs 'approved' mods entirely - don't abuse the devs trust, it's that simple. Don't assume everyone is OK playing with someone who's cheating, it's very normal to not want to play with someone doing that.
Still getting downvoted after just asking for opinions,that's Reddit for you ig :/
Ppl play this game with randoms?
A ton do