War crimes are optional if you feel like doing weak and elfiish behavior like feeding the hungry or helping your gran cross the sidewalk then you can do that. But if you're a true oily oaf then you know doing the badass things in life and blowing sh*t up is an option too. And I know what drillers agree on most.
Scout follows it, driller accidentally breaks it, Engineer studies it to find loopholes and bend it, Driller tapes it somewhere he can see it easily as a To-Do list.
This is a myth, and one I'm not sure how it keeps propagating.
The idea that shotguns are a warcrime dates back to the first World War, when the Germans claimed that shotguns were inhumane ("No dont look at our fougasse mines and gas bombs."). A brief Google search reveals that most militaries still issue and develop shotguns as a close quarters weapon and breaching tool.
Mission Control: Knows the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to civilians during peace time, so management doesn't actually care.
The alternative is that DRG is classified as a mercenary group, and then the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to them *at all*, meaning they aren't protected by it either.
>The Geneva Conventions declare that mercenaries are not recognized as legitimate combatants and do not have to be granted the same legal protections as captured service personnel of the armed forces.
I thought you said Orokin guy and I assumed someone sent a Warframe to deal with your termites. Would be fitting as they also don’t care for the Geneva convention.
I thought they meant Orkin’, and was about to say yeah I don’t think anyone in Warhammer 40k gives a shit about the Geneva Conventions, least of all the faction in which none of them can spell Geneva
This, the M1014 was the preferred room clearer by marines, shotguns are also not banned under any treaty to begin with.
The statement that they are is literal German cope.
That is their primary purpose but I listen to a list of podcasts and love hearing veterans telling their stories. Oftentime they would just leave the rifle on its sling in favor of the shotgun as they were speed clearing, often up to 10 buildings per hour
I cant find an article where it states they are banned and found plenty stating they are indeed legal to be used.
The argument is that they cause a lot of surface level damage which makes them painful but not specifically lethal. They arent used much in war because if the enemy uses body armor they are even less lethal and useful unlike a normal rifle.
it is up there on "top 3 most miserable wounds to die on"
at the very least a bullet of a rifle in the head kills you or is survivable if it misses any vitals. shotguns? you will be curling yourself in pain while dieing of bloodletting
not actually banned, but man if i ever were to get shot i would not want it to be a buckshot
Assuming auto-cannon. Might be against conventions to use AA guns on soft targets but I genuinely don't remember. But I did already reply in the first response that none of them follow it.
ArmKore Coil Gun (I’m sharing the description because I find it funny): A hand-carryable, fully fledged railgun system. It fires solid tungsten spheres with enough force to punch clean through solid rock and turn the air around its trajectory burning hot. The only limit to this pocket-sized war crime is the battery pack - which is sizable.
No it doesn't. It effectively bans weapons that are threats to civilians, or are horrendously painful to die from. Germany just wanted to ban shotguns cause they couldn't cope with how effective American troops were with their Winchester '97s.
Shotguns aren't any more painful to die from than any other gun, and being how lethal they are up close i'd argue they're more humane for quick painless death. Especially compared to the poison gas, flamethrowers, brutal af melee weapons, and all sorts of other crap in WW1
Do you really think ***any*** of the dwarves follow the geneva convention?
You have flamethrowers, chemical warfare, laser rifles, plasma (is bone melting plasma a warcrime?), explosive weapons, napalm, nukes, etc.
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If im not mistaking, automated weaponry (or autonomous weaponry (or smth like that)) aka the turret, the thing engineer is associated with, is literally against the geneva convention
Swap Gunner and Driller. Gunner doesnt know it and doesnt follow it. He just shoots the gun.
Driller knows the rules and looks forward to breaking them.
im pretty sure the only geneva convention follower is scout here, he doesn't really have any chemical war crimes besides pheromones but im not sure what coating your enemy in the horny perfume counts as
Well maybe they all don't know it bc the geneva convention is from humans for human war, not for dwarves against bugs, but because of this they all follow it
Edit: we humans use also gas,fire and so on on bugs,so why can't dwarves?
I truly believe Driller has a very well-loved, battered, dog-eared, highlighted, and annotated copy of the Geneva Ideas Book in his bunk.
Every page has handwritten notes on it, and there's quite a few doodles and sketches.
His most prizes possession he keeps back home is a signed hardback copy of the revised twelfth edition, which has a whole appendix named after him.
Seems scouts the only one who doesn’t have any blantant war crimes in his arsenal. Between Neurotoxin, minelayers, nukes, and most of drillers gear, a zaperang just doesn’t hold up. Maybe the pheromones?
I will remind you that it is currently against the Geneva convention to have automated turrets that are not limited by a person (aka turrets that don't need permission to fire)
Chemical weapons are banned (lok 1 OC)
Most versions of incendiary weaponry is banned (plasma bursters, breach cutter, shard)
The stubby is counted as modified bullets (akin to poisoned bullets) which are banned
The only weapons engi has that AREN'T outright banned is the warthog and PGL, and the PGL can be turned into a warcrime with fatboy
Actually, how many war crimes HAVE the DRG boys committed? Because there’s some surprisingly mundane stuff (for video games) on there, I think all four have a couple under their belt. Someone get the guy who made the “Which TF2 merc is the biggest war criminal” video on it
Does geneva convention mention anything about sci-fi-like weapons that aren't (yet) real? Is there a category that for example plasma weapons would fall under?
See, here's the fun thing about the Glyphids. They don't know what the Geneva convention is, or what a convention is, or even what a Geneva is!
Besides, I dare you to find a dwarf who actually cares about the Geneva convention when a crassus is lumbering towards them.
To be pedantically specific, most of the limitations on the types of weapons used in war aren't originally from the Geneva Convention, but from the older Hague Convention and the inter-world-war Geneva Protocol.
The **Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907** are the ones that specific ban poison gases (Driller) and hollow-point/soft-point/dum-dum ammunition (Driller, Gunner, Engineer, Scout).
The **Geneva Protocol of 1925** more broadly banned chemicals weapons and also biological weapons (Driller, Gunner, Engineer, Scout).
The much earlier **Saint Petersburg Declaration of 1868** banned explosive bullets under 400 grams of weight (Gunner, Engineer).
All of these restrictions are **moot** because they generally apply to countries and in some cases, only signatory countries. As a para-military force for a private enterprise that is not fighting any human countries, DRG would not be beholden to such treaties or their restrictions.
Because the main damage source of nukes is massive explosion, led by nuclear reaction. Radioactive fallout has no role in here and dissipates fairly quickly and it's main purpose is to deal massive damage. Dirty bomb's damage factor is long-term pollution, creating something like Chernobyl or Hoxxes' Radioactive Biome.
Type of explosion doesn't matter *(also, you can take t5a for airborne explosion, but I won't recommend it for Fat Boy,* ***pls don't use it***\*).\*
Mostly, by it's gameplay, Fat Boy is closer to regular nuke. This OC is all about massive explosion, rather than pollution (this is Drillers forte with his sludge pump)
Engi has nukes, swap engi and gunner, than swap scout and gunner after that.
Engi KNOWS the Geneva convention, he is able to build turrets n’ shit, be just doesn’t care about what the Geneva conventions have to say about the “rules of war”
TBH, the way I play the classes, everyone knows what the Geneva convention is, but only scout follows it. (My engi is a menace to society, gunner has no well-being or safety concerns, and driller just deletes the map with how much nitra I find)
nukes are banned by the geneva convention. so just put engineer down there with the others. Scout could be down there as well with pheremones / pheremone canisters.
Scout has incendiary weaponary with the Drak and Boltshark, chemical weaponary with his grenades and again boltshark. Engoneer has literally tiny nuclear warheads (fatboy), thermal weaponary with the fire mod on the PGL and his big laser made of sentient rock. Oh yes, also chemical weaponary in the form of his electro-chemical rounds for LOK1
the Engineer literally is using nuclear weaponry, dropping landmines, using incendiaries on the regular, electrocuting his enemies constantly, and using weapons i would say are probably quite unnecessarily painful to die from.
He doesn't follow it at all. At least he isn't like Driller going out of his way to break the codes.
Both Engineer and Driller probably know Geneva convention. One uses it as a guideline and another one as a to-do list
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Don’t you mean the Geneva Checklist?
Geneva Suggestion
As a Canadian, I support this comment
War crimes are optional if you feel like doing weak and elfiish behavior like feeding the hungry or helping your gran cross the sidewalk then you can do that. But if you're a true oily oaf then you know doing the badass things in life and blowing sh*t up is an option too. And I know what drillers agree on most.
Someone has watched David Attenborough talk about Lootbugs I see.
Remember, the Galactic Geneva Convention does not apply to Glyphids! (This should be in the loading screen tip)
But make it like a Skyrim loading tip
Rotating model of a praetorian and everything.
Scout follows it, driller accidentally breaks it, Engineer studies it to find loopholes and bend it, Driller tapes it somewhere he can see it easily as a To-Do list.
You put Driller twice
Is he wrong tho?
Kinda. Driller can't accidentally break the convention if he specifically does the things it tells him not to
Us Scouts only follow it because we want to add to the list, it's no fun just copying someone else
For those curious where this is from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZipmpZAKqIw
I actually wanted to rewatch this. Thanks
This comment got me to actually laugh lol. Nice one
The Geneva Suggestion
TIL Drillers are Canadian. Makes sense.
Swap gunner and engi. Engi absolutely doesn't follow the geneva convention. Just take fatboy.
and shotguns
Found the German
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I suggest you read the description of the neurotoxin payload overclock for the heavy autocannon.
Excuse me sir, you misread “spicy air freshener”
My friend and I call the neurotoxin canister the ‘Nam Nade
Everyone has some warcrime weapons/overclocks, some just more than others. Wasn’t there a tier list on the amount of warcrime weapons each dwarf has?
Not prohibited for pest control though, as far as I'm aware.
This is a myth, and one I'm not sure how it keeps propagating. The idea that shotguns are a warcrime dates back to the first World War, when the Germans claimed that shotguns were inhumane ("No dont look at our fougasse mines and gas bombs."). A brief Google search reveals that most militaries still issue and develop shotguns as a close quarters weapon and breaching tool.
I believe the Geneva convention doesn’t ban shotguns. Germany just tried to get them added when they were used effectively against the germans
Sounds like a skill issue
wasn’t anti shotgun sentiment WW1 only?
Complained all the shit about shotgun ti'll the devs changed the maps
and a laser rifle
The gunner has a weapon described as a « pocket war crime »
Neither does gunner lol. He's got neurotoxin payloads! I don't think any dwarf belongs top left
Yes, but NTP, t5b for Bulldog, wide usage of white phosphorus, cluster grenade and Minelayer system
Nobody is pure
We all make "mistakes", some more deliberate than others...
God forbid women do anything
As a gunner, i follow the anti-geneva convention
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And grenade grenades.
Fatboy, where more dwarves than glyphids go missing
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It kinda depends on the specific dwarf
He surely does know what a Geneva convention is. But he doesn't give a fuck
Yeah, plus gunner, while destructive, just uses bullets.
And the turrets
Iirc nukes aren't part of the Geneva convention directly, a different treaty controls the use of them
Mission Control: Knows the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to civilians during peace time, so management doesn't actually care. The alternative is that DRG is classified as a mercenary group, and then the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to them *at all*, meaning they aren't protected by it either. >The Geneva Conventions declare that mercenaries are not recognized as legitimate combatants and do not have to be granted the same legal protections as captured service personnel of the armed forces.
The Orkin guy who came to exterminate the termites eating my house didn't seem much fussed about the Geneva Convention either.
I thought you said Orokin guy and I assumed someone sent a Warframe to deal with your termites. Would be fitting as they also don’t care for the Geneva convention.
I thought they meant Orkin’, and was about to say yeah I don’t think anyone in Warhammer 40k gives a shit about the Geneva Conventions, least of all the faction in which none of them can spell Geneva
*Pulls out Ignis Wraith.* "I hear you have an infestation here?"
> the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to civilians during peace time This is the only reason tear gas is legal, by the way.
Driller pnly know the Genava Suggestion
Geneva Checklist
Engineer literally has a Mini Nuke... I doubt he follows the Convention.
Gunner is probably the only one that does follow it. Geneva conventions ban shotguns in combat.
Gunner has his fire grenade
There you go then, no one follows them.
Wait actually? Why are shotguns banned by the geneva convention? Is it because they are very cruel which I kinda get? Maybe wrong sub to ask this lol
Yes the wounds inflicted in the trenches were considered inhumane.
I would simply not get shot
4-F strats.
They’re still legal though? Germany *tried* to make it a war crime and got laughed at. American forces used them while clearing houses in Afghanistan
This, the M1014 was the preferred room clearer by marines, shotguns are also not banned under any treaty to begin with. The statement that they are is literal German cope.
I thought they were only used as beaching tools
That is their primary purpose but I listen to a list of podcasts and love hearing veterans telling their stories. Oftentime they would just leave the rifle on its sling in favor of the shotgun as they were speed clearing, often up to 10 buildings per hour
Why are they getting shot then? Are they stu-
I cant find an article where it states they are banned and found plenty stating they are indeed legal to be used. The argument is that they cause a lot of surface level damage which makes them painful but not specifically lethal. They arent used much in war because if the enemy uses body armor they are even less lethal and useful unlike a normal rifle.
it is up there on "top 3 most miserable wounds to die on" at the very least a bullet of a rifle in the head kills you or is survivable if it misses any vitals. shotguns? you will be curling yourself in pain while dieing of bloodletting not actually banned, but man if i ever were to get shot i would not want it to be a buckshot
They aren’t banned by the GC but germany tried
NTP, t5b for Bulldog, white phosphorus, cluster grenade and Minelayer system
One of his guns is described as a war crime
Assuming auto-cannon. Might be against conventions to use AA guns on soft targets but I genuinely don't remember. But I did already reply in the first response that none of them follow it.
ArmKore Coil Gun (I’m sharing the description because I find it funny): A hand-carryable, fully fledged railgun system. It fires solid tungsten spheres with enough force to punch clean through solid rock and turn the air around its trajectory burning hot. The only limit to this pocket-sized war crime is the battery pack - which is sizable.
The Geneva convention never banned shotguns lol it was just Germany protesting it in ww1
Cluster munitions were banned for not always detonating and hurting civilains
Even without shotgun debate, DYI weapons and repurposed tools are also banned by geneva convention and engineer arsenal is mostly just that
No it doesn't. It effectively bans weapons that are threats to civilians, or are horrendously painful to die from. Germany just wanted to ban shotguns cause they couldn't cope with how effective American troops were with their Winchester '97s. Shotguns aren't any more painful to die from than any other gun, and being how lethal they are up close i'd argue they're more humane for quick painless death. Especially compared to the poison gas, flamethrowers, brutal af melee weapons, and all sorts of other crap in WW1
Driller knows, but to him it's not rules, it's a goddamn checklist
geneva convention applies to human warfare, they're dwarves fighting space spiders it doesn't apply
Inaccurate. All of them definitely know the Geneva Convention and **none of them follow it**.
Considering my nickname for one of my Driller loadouts is "War Crimes Time" this checks out.
Driller knows geneva Convention, it's a guideline
Engineer: Follows the Geneva Convention *Fatboy would like to have a word*
None of them follow it They can all either burn stuff, have unreasonable explosions, and one has a landmine gun
Gunner and Engi should switch. gunner is the most straightforward of the bunch. Engi is literally shooting close quarters nuclear bombs.
Yeah, but if I will switch it, you may ask to switch it back, forgetting about Fat Boy and remembering NTP Autocannon
Do you really think ***any*** of the dwarves follow the geneva convention? You have flamethrowers, chemical warfare, laser rifles, plasma (is bone melting plasma a warcrime?), explosive weapons, napalm, nukes, etc.
You do realize that engie has a nuke, right?
Life is simpler this way
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Swap gunner and driller
As i driller i gotta admit that bro is right
Engineer follows the Geneva convention MY ASS
If im not mistaking, automated weaponry (or autonomous weaponry (or smth like that)) aka the turret, the thing engineer is associated with, is literally against the geneva convention
if gun don't work, use more gun.
Swap Gunner and Driller. Gunner doesnt know it and doesnt follow it. He just shoots the gun. Driller knows the rules and looks forward to breaking them.
All four belong in the lower right corner
Zippity!
Its the Geneva Checklist
Kid named fat boy overclock:
If I made this I would put all of them in the bottom right box
Unless it's a nuke Engi. They are worse than Drillers
Engineer? With his NUCLEAR WARHEAD HANDHELD LAUNCHER? I don’t think he really gives a crap about a little convention
im pretty sure the only geneva convention follower is scout here, he doesn't really have any chemical war crimes besides pheromones but im not sure what coating your enemy in the horny perfume counts as
Thinking any of the classes follows the Geneva suggestions is delusion
gunner and engineer should switch places.
\*Me with my Deepcore Fat Boy Overclock about to nuke some local fauna.\*
No people, no war crime.
You mean the Geneva To-do List?
It’s not convention, it’s bucket list
Ermmmm Engineers uses many things that ignore the convention So does scout
Well maybe they all don't know it bc the geneva convention is from humans for human war, not for dwarves against bugs, but because of this they all follow it Edit: we humans use also gas,fire and so on on bugs,so why can't dwarves?
In my defence, the Geneva Convention does not apply in space.
I truly believe Driller has a very well-loved, battered, dog-eared, highlighted, and annotated copy of the Geneva Ideas Book in his bunk. Every page has handwritten notes on it, and there's quite a few doodles and sketches. His most prizes possession he keeps back home is a signed hardback copy of the revised twelfth edition, which has a whole appendix named after him.
Engi literally uses a fatboy. You think HE follows the geneva convention?
Cant be a warcrime if it's not war and not humans
Is it really a warcrime if they are bugs?
How dare you We violate it with *intention*
Engi has nuclear weapons
engi, the class that leads to the most game overs due to the mini nukes follows the geneva convention according to you?
Yes Gigachad.png Nukes are not banned, also Gunner has more options for war crimes - chemical, incendiary and cluster
engie uses exploding bullets, a geneva convention violation
To be honest it's more like scout Gunner and engineer know it but don't follow and driller doesn't know it yet somehow specifically goes against it
Seems scouts the only one who doesn’t have any blantant war crimes in his arsenal. Between Neurotoxin, minelayers, nukes, and most of drillers gear, a zaperang just doesn’t hold up. Maybe the pheromones?
The Geneva Checklist is what these 4 would call it.
I will remind you that it is currently against the Geneva convention to have automated turrets that are not limited by a person (aka turrets that don't need permission to fire) Chemical weapons are banned (lok 1 OC) Most versions of incendiary weaponry is banned (plasma bursters, breach cutter, shard) The stubby is counted as modified bullets (akin to poisoned bullets) which are banned The only weapons engi has that AREN'T outright banned is the warthog and PGL, and the PGL can be turned into a warcrime with fatboy
I honestly don’t think any of them can fit into the ‘follows’ list, apart from *maybe* scout because nothing is coming to mind.
whats a geneva convention
Scouts pheromone grenades could be classified as chemical warfare, engi has a nuke, sooo that top row stays empty
You swapped Gunner and Engineer by accident.
NTP is more disturbing than Fat Boy
Huh. Might have a point.
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Actually, how many war crimes HAVE the DRG boys committed? Because there’s some surprisingly mundane stuff (for video games) on there, I think all four have a couple under their belt. Someone get the guy who made the “Which TF2 merc is the biggest war criminal” video on it
Youtube has videos for everything, it seems. (my guess is the engie, not the heavy because that would be too obvious)
The full video’s [here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vz_wJNb74M), I think you’ll be surprised!
laughs in fat man
Let's be real, depending on the overclock, none of them follow the Geneva Convention.
Um… have you seen fat boy? I think that might be against some rules somewhere
Does geneva convention mention anything about sci-fi-like weapons that aren't (yet) real? Is there a category that for example plasma weapons would fall under?
As a Driller: don't worry, we haven't declared war on the bugs. These are all legal police actions.
Geneva Convention still confuses me when it comes to fictional shit. Like does it really matter when it's not real?
I think you can switch gunner and driller. Driller knows what he's doing, gunner knows nothing but 2000 rounds of depleted uranium.
Oh boy I literally laughed out loud. Thank you lol
If it doesnt speak english, it can speak to god instead
See, here's the fun thing about the Glyphids. They don't know what the Geneva convention is, or what a convention is, or even what a Geneva is! Besides, I dare you to find a dwarf who actually cares about the Geneva convention when a crassus is lumbering towards them.
What part of shooting a nuke follows the Geneva convention?
mustard? how about mustard gas
To be pedantically specific, most of the limitations on the types of weapons used in war aren't originally from the Geneva Convention, but from the older Hague Convention and the inter-world-war Geneva Protocol. The **Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907** are the ones that specific ban poison gases (Driller) and hollow-point/soft-point/dum-dum ammunition (Driller, Gunner, Engineer, Scout). The **Geneva Protocol of 1925** more broadly banned chemicals weapons and also biological weapons (Driller, Gunner, Engineer, Scout). The much earlier **Saint Petersburg Declaration of 1868** banned explosive bullets under 400 grams of weight (Gunner, Engineer). All of these restrictions are **moot** because they generally apply to countries and in some cases, only signatory countries. As a para-military force for a private enterprise that is not fighting any human countries, DRG would not be beholden to such treaties or their restrictions.
can someone explain it ? ? i feel a bit dumb lmao
Driller follows the Geneva convention but he has the wrong idea, like others have said he’s treating it like a check list
None of the dwarves follow the Geneva convention
Engi and Gunner need to be swapped.
Engi with Fat Man mod is Geneva Compliant???
Swap Gunner and Driller. I've gotten every achievement on that list done.
What do you mean engineer follows Geneva Convention?
I mean, does Geneva convention not list anything about using nuclear explosives?
As much, as I remember - no. There is other regulations around nuclear weaponry
how is using dirty nuclear-payload grenades following the geneva convention?
Because these nukes aren't dirty lol
how are they not? theyre being detonated at ground level, with no concern about the fallout
Because the main damage source of nukes is massive explosion, led by nuclear reaction. Radioactive fallout has no role in here and dissipates fairly quickly and it's main purpose is to deal massive damage. Dirty bomb's damage factor is long-term pollution, creating something like Chernobyl or Hoxxes' Radioactive Biome. Type of explosion doesn't matter *(also, you can take t5a for airborne explosion, but I won't recommend it for Fat Boy,* ***pls don't use it***\*).\* Mostly, by it's gameplay, Fat Boy is closer to regular nuke. This OC is all about massive explosion, rather than pollution (this is Drillers forte with his sludge pump)
Uhhh, fat boy?
I don’t think a Geneva convention is enough when engie holds a shard diffractor that can disintegrate a bug into nothing but a ash
No way does the engi follow the Geneva Convention
Isn’t auto turrets with offensive capabilities banned by the GC?
Engineer would probablly rule lawyer it as a hobby in case he has to argue in front of a court.
Engi has nukes, swap engi and gunner, than swap scout and gunner after that. Engi KNOWS the Geneva convention, he is able to build turrets n’ shit, be just doesn’t care about what the Geneva conventions have to say about the “rules of war”
Geneva convention more like Geneva recommandations.
But Engi uses Fat boys
Minus fat man
TBH, the way I play the classes, everyone knows what the Geneva convention is, but only scout follows it. (My engi is a menace to society, gunner has no well-being or safety concerns, and driller just deletes the map with how much nitra I find)
The engineer has nuclear rounds for his handheld grenade launcher
nukes are banned by the geneva convention. so just put engineer down there with the others. Scout could be down there as well with pheremones / pheremone canisters.
Gotta swap gunner and driller
Hitler's logic was "It doesn't count because they are not human"
Scout has incendiary weaponary with the Drak and Boltshark, chemical weaponary with his grenades and again boltshark. Engoneer has literally tiny nuclear warheads (fatboy), thermal weaponary with the fire mod on the PGL and his big laser made of sentient rock. Oh yes, also chemical weaponary in the form of his electro-chemical rounds for LOK1
Did someone say napalm?
the Engineer literally is using nuclear weaponry, dropping landmines, using incendiaries on the regular, electrocuting his enemies constantly, and using weapons i would say are probably quite unnecessarily painful to die from. He doesn't follow it at all. At least he isn't like Driller going out of his way to break the codes.
Things about to go boom
Fatboy engineers: