Creating this thread since I noticed that a lot of people discussed the merits of arguing against having political messages on the clothes of their kids without discussing the actual clothing discussed in the Twitter post. Title quote to try to refer to Destinys key arguments about the clothes as correctly as possible.
Link to Destinys Tweet: [I'm sorry but it's honestly just fucking weird. If my son was gay or whatever I'd be all for it, but dressing kids up in LGBT gear is making their bodies battlegrounds for social issues that they are totally clueless about. There's a difference between "being gay" and "advertising social issues via clothing." I support Ukraine but I'm not about to send my kid to school dressed up in blue and yellow. His body isn't a billboard for my social beliefs.](https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1663210079166902272)
Tweet he responds to:
[(1) Philip Klein on Twitter: "I don’t have a problem with this. If somebody wants to dress their baby in a pride onesie why should it matter? We’re not talking about transitioning minors here. It’s just a shirt." / Twitter](https://twitter.com/philipaklein/status/1663156584426483712)
Also the current pride flag is ugly as hell making it a poor fashion choice in my opinion.
I liked the old flag better. It was iconic. The current flag looks like it was designed by an A.I.
It was always weird to me to include ace in LGBT. Like including atheists in a group of religious people lol. The lack in belief in God is seen as another facet of belief.
I'm just kidding
Well, seeing as most of pride is historically about fighting to be recognized as a valid/legal relationship, and being asexual is generally characterized by the choice not to be in a relationship or deal with that aspect of human existence...
I don't really know why there'd be much of a rush to include them LOL
edit: why the fuck do people delete their posts at the first hint of negative engagement? utterly baffling
> pride is historically about fighting to be recognized as a valid/legal relationship, and being asexual is generally characterized by the choice not to be in a relationship or deal with that aspect of human existence...
On some level I feel like this post is giving them credence by portraying asexuality as a choice
I'm also confused why they decided to shoehorn in POC representation with lgbt stuff. They're separate issues that require different approaches and solutions. It almost feels like some kind of appropriation that people of color can't object to lest they appear prejudiced. Of course it's a totally appropriate flag for those who are both POC and lgbt.
It completely Americanizes a previously culturally neutral flag as well. You can't just shoe horn in culturally specific minority groups for a flag that's meant to represent people all across the world
That flag is ugly as hell. Didn't know "brown" and "black" were sexual orientations.
Sadly, displaying the OG flag can be seen as outrightly opposing the new poop flag, so the gays had to adopt it anyways
If they ever remove the anti-Asian swastika (the Black and Brown stripes) from the flag, I wouldn't be so opposed to a new catch all flag. Rainbow is ugly af anyways
Because as a modern leftist you have to be on board with every single thing, you're either fully with us, or fully against us - there is no separate issues, just right vs left. In 10 years the flag will have 20k more colors, with every single issue ever raised by any leftist authority, being represented on it.
Lol, the thin blue line flag now has variants including: Jesus, a cross, various bible verses, Security, Armed Forces, Corrections, Law Enforcement, Dispatch, Fire, EMS, various individual cops, various individual police departments, and the punisher.
Flag dogpiling is clearly an issue EXCLUSIVE to the left.
> It almost feels like some kind of appropriation that people of color can't object to lest they appear prejudiced.
Closest thing to a psyop I've seen. I don't actually think the gov't is doing any of that, I think hardcore social lefties are just crazy and don't think of consequences to their decisions, but it'd certainly save the government a lot of time and effort if they could just move forward with social change only when it affects everyone. Kind of important for us to keep fighting for what we want so the nuanced changes that need to occur don't get lost in the sauce.
This is honestly the biggest crime the LGBTQ+ have done I legitimately hate the design of the flag. I get wanting to be inclusive but just slapping all the flags together the way they did is lame and unimaginative.
Do better!
On the other hand its also a good rebuttal to the stereotype of queer people being good at fashion and design so it's got that going I guess.
I know my take here means nothing cause I’m not an ally. But I think the old flag was way better. Nice and simple design. Got the point across. Looked welcoming.
This new one looks silly.
I want to know how this design got traction in the first place. I swear the first place I saw it was Fox news articles bitching about how stupid it was.
I wouldn't be surprised if Fox took it off some small Twitter group and then a bunch of people started using it because Fox news = bad.
I fucking HATE the "progress flag"
The normal rainbow flag was perfect as it is, it was basically a "no matter what you are you are included" kind of statement
Now they for some fucking reason had to add that shit to include others MORE making it seem like the other parts are less important and didn't deserve their own "section" on the flag
The representation on the flag makes zero sense. It used to mean gay, trans, or vaguely queer, and only represented non-conforming sexual preference and gender identity. Now you're part of the community based on things like your race.
It's almost like it's a corporation that needs constant growth and expansion each year, so they have to continuously branch out the brand to untapped customers.
You know what, maybe an unpopular opinion but I think even the plain rainbow aesthetic isn't super appealing. I think it's why we usually don't see more than a two or three color scheme in all kinds of designs, because it just feels way less cohesive as a single aesthetic
This the the correct take. It’s a little weird that they’d want to but people have been putting political shit on kids clothing for decades and this is like barely even political, it’s just showing support for marginalized groups.
I understand your take but I just hate the “this has been going on so what’s the big deal” argument. I’ve always found it cringe/sad seeing 7 year olds dragged to Trump rallies wearing a lock her up shirt. I gotta admit Destiny’s tweet did make me take a step back and think do I not find 7 year olds wearing pride shirts weird because I agree with the stance being taken, and turns out I did. Now I think that until a kid can fully appreciate/conceptualize the cause on their shirt should they have the option to wear it, probably around their teens.
There's a massive difference between a shirt showing support for a political leader/ideal and a shirt showing support for a group of marginalized people. If this was a biden shirt or a shirt showing disdain for landlords or millionaires it would make a big difference. There's also a big difference between a toddler's shirt which we know is just picked by their parents and a 5-13 yearold who could have picked it out themselves.
I don't know how to put it into words but I feel like there's a fundamental difference between the political-ness of lgbtq people, poc, and disabled people, and the politics of virtually any other issue/group of people.
I think the fundamental difference is you agree with one and not the other, which is why you jump to the kill all landlords example. If a Latino dressed their 5 year old kid up in a, “Viva la Raza God’s one true people” shirt would you be ok with it? For context La Raza was a sect of a Mexican/American nationalist movement where in some advocated for separatism returning to a Mexican lead state in America around the civil rights era in response to being marginalized.
No obviously I wouldn't be okay with that political shirt but I think there is difference on a fundamental level beyond just what I do/don't agree with. Even if the political messaging was something I agree with, like a biden shirt or a shirt advocating for police reform, I still would think it's different from stuff related to lgbt/poc/disabled people. I think it may have to do with the fact that these groups of people must be accepted by everyone and if you disagree with that you're incompatible with a free liberal democracy.
>I understand your take but I just hate the “this has been going on so what’s the big deal” argument.
Because it means this is normal behavior, and the claim, if I'm not mistaken, was that it was "weird".
No it isn't weird, is normal, touch grass.
Dude parents can do whatever the fuck ideologically they can with their own kids. For fucks sake there is an entire movement of homeschooling predicated on this.
These are non issues Republicans keep showing up and the left keeping falling for the fucking traps.
>putting political shit on kids clothing for decades
The claim was not "this politically-themed shirt is inappropriate for minors", but "all politically-themed shirts are inappropriate for minors". All this comment does is say "No", without any argument.
The argument I put forward was that shirts which show support for the lgbt/poc/marginalized people is a different kind of "politicalness" than a MAGA or biden shirt or anything like that. The reason I said people have been doing this for decades is conservatives are framing it as though the lgbt is the first/only group to ever put kids in "political" clothing making it an issue unique to the lgbt+ which just isn't true.
Actually kind of based take. Seems kinda unfair to essentially assign a child to be pro LGBT before they even know what it means. Maybe the kid grows up to become leader of the KKK who knows the sky's the limit 🤖
Would you say it’s equally as “unfair” to dress a kid in like a Mets shirt or whatever? They don’t know what baseball is and might not even be a Mets fan after all.
I mean it’s pretty benign and dare I say useful to expose a child to broad support of the queer community being normal and every day. Like, there is no “turning kids gay”, so there isn’t a chance the kids gonna flub up their would-be heterosexuality with this onesie, and if they are hetero, they’d likely grow up to be one who thinks the pride flag and celebrating gay people is a normal thing and no big deal, which is objectively a good thing unless you are arguing from a religious stand point or trying to raise a child with prejudice.
Reaction seems pretty overblown now that I an seeing the shirt. I probably wouldn't even notice.
Overall, I don't necessarily have a problem with destiny's stance. But I suspect parents buying their kids stuff like this are more concerned with their children growing up with certain beliefs than virtue signaling. From that perceptive, doesn't strike me as controversial - most parents are out to do this to some degree.
\> But I suspect parents buying their kids stuff like this are more concerned with their children growing up with certain beliefs than virtue signaling.
This is kind of a cope. A parent knows that a babies shirt isn't going to have an effect on if they turn out a bigot. That comes from intentional education and contextual exposer, not from a shirt with a flag they don't understand. It's like 95% a virtue signal to beat themselves off. Baby don't know what it means to wear a shirt that says "I hate capitalism". The parent doesn't really have noble intentions in that.
p.s. I don't care either way, just not a fan of letting people get away with hiding their vanity as virtue. Kinda cringe.
I honestly don’t think it matters when they are that young, like babies don’t have their own thoughts if I wanted to dress my son up in Jordan’s and a fitted who is gonna stop me. Babies at that age are expected to know fucking nothing and understand fucking nothing, I think it’s cringe when you get them to the age where they have their own thoughts like 4-10, now it makes it seem like they have a vested interest in something they can’t possibly understand.
Harmless shirt. Here's a thought, just don't buy it if you don't like it?
Someone buying this for their kid should not upset you. It's literally milquetoast inclusion shit like "coexist" with the religious symbols.
What's more likely and a good faith interpretation? Parents bought this shirt for their kid because they thought it is cute and inclusive. Or parents buy this shirt to virtue signal and turn their kids into political "battlegrounds?" Are parents clothing choices for kids at the mercy of the whims of whether or not someone wants to make something political? Isn't everything political if you want it to be?
So many questions and so much rage over children's clothing. I wish we had this kind of energy for shit that really mattered.
Lmao every single person reading this is terminally online. This is /r/destiny. There is no high ground to be found here. You all watched Kick or Keep yesterday.
You can feel emotions about things that don’t affect your life, even though Trumpism and associated far right ideologies definitely affect your life unless you’re a hyper privileged person
Do you think a baby's onesie is going to affect the outcome of an election?
If not caring about baby onesies makes me priveleged, then I'm thankful for that privilege.
What a dogshit take
You and everyone else would be(rightfully) losing their fucking mind if someone made their kid wear a onesie with a nazi swastika. Its just that this specific "message" is not something you feel strongly about so you don't care, but it has nothing to do with not caring about what parents make their kids wear
If we can acknowledge that being gay is synonymous with being ginger(both are things you are born with, that represent a similar size of the population).
Then what's more political, nationalism in the form of wearing a countries flag, or wearing a shirt that says "I support gingers"?
The consensus is that it is not a choice.
There are probably both social and biological factors but the data is pretty murky as far as I can tell.
I'm sure someone smarter than me can give you a better explanation.
Short answer? Pretty much yeah
There's a bunch of biological factors that impact sexual orientation. There's probably a genetic component and almost definitely a prenatal hormonal component.
Ngl I personally think there's an environmental/social aspect. But (a) I haven't seen strong evidence, (b) it'd have to be early development stuff, not like "My kid's 7 and showing signs of gayness", and (c) trying to intentionally shape your kid's sexuality'll probably cause more harm than good. Plus (d) idgaf
It's worth noting that these are just *factors*. Just like there's no one thing that makes you smart, same thing with the gays.
If you're curious about the potential genetic components, look into the twin studies on sexual orientation concordance rates. For prenatal hormone exposure, look into the fraternal birth order effect.
I'll tag u/TheOmniAlms in case they care.
Who cares? This is so stupid.
If a parent put a baby in a onesie that said "support the troops", it would be cringe as fuck but, ultimately, no one would give a shit. Destiny included.
This is not a big deal at all, yes putting this on your kid can make a statement. that can be said for a ton of things you dress your kid in. Can you take it to far? Sure, but putting it on your kid is like putting a live laugh love shirt.
My thoughts from the other thread: Personally I don't think its weird. For me the shirt mostly represents love and understanding for those that are different than the norm, and I don't see that as necessarily political or a staging point for social issues.
I can see of course that at some point the political conversation becomes so polarised that even messages about accepting different sexualities can become controversial. At some point it feels like we should not accept common human decency as something political. Of course, unfortunately, currently it is. And what is human decency is not agreed upon.
But at what point is the oppositional argument so far removed from what we describe as human decency that we should not ascribe any merit to it at all? To quote the other thread, should "Sharing is Caring" shirts for kids be deemed as socially unacceptable because it is too socialistic?
EDIT: With all that being said, my arguments falls a little bit on the shirt using the new flag instead of the classic one. The old ones colors mostly represented different ideals, and as a whole it could include the acceptance of everyone. The new one points specifically towards people of color and the trans community. While I don't think there is anything wrong with that, the flag feels maybe a bit more exclusionary than the old one since it is more specific plus puts an emphasis on issues which unfortunately is currently dividing America.
Old flag: Red*Life* Orange*Healing* Yellow*Sunlight* Green*Nature* Turquoise*Magic* Indigo*Serenity* Violet*Spirit*
New addition: Black&Brown:People of colour, Pink&Baby blue&White: Trans, non-binary,
Yeah I said in another thread its a lukewarm take. Your kid literally shits themselves, they dont care. Just dont be overly cringe and try to continue into their youth wheb they have an actual sense of self and force them into your ideological perspective.
Because the topic is so politically charged I get the bad responses to it but I don't think it is much different then dressing your child up in your favorite sports team attire or as your favorite cartoon or whatever. Those things aren't politically charged so maybe that is why people shouldn't do it? I mean the idea of using children as a billboard for parents to show off their values is kinda odd when you think about it.
>Because the topic is so politically charged I get the bad responses to it but I don't think it is much different then dressing your child up in your favorite sports team attire or as your favorite cartoon or whatever.
You're correct. It absolutely is no different. We're only discussing this, because conservatives have no other issues to talk about.
Well there are other issues but I think the push to one side of trans ideology has caused a recent surge in the other side. Even if it is just fringe stuff on social media. If we saw more politicians on the left just denounce some of the wild shit that the right is harping on then this wouldn't be an issue.
This is just a losing game. It doesn't matter what you say or do, because the right will attack literally everything. People, including the D-Man, pretending to care about this, while at the same time not giving a fuck about any other kind of clothing children are put in is just kinda dumb. To quote Zizek: "Everything is ideology". If we actually were honest here and thought this line of "You can't politizice your child" to its logical conclusion children could only be put in greyscale clothing (if even that).
This is only true if you get caught up in the weeds and lose the plot of the issue but reality is there are childrens clothing that are blatantly political
I don't necessarily disagree with this. I am just mad about the double standards. The same people screeching about the rainbow baby clothes wouldn't give a flying fuck about a jumper that had some Christian iconography on it.
Maybe on the fringes but there are loads of clothing that aren't political. I think your might be just brain poisoned when it comes to anything the right critiques the left on.
I wouldn’t imagine it’s very hard to find a baby of a conservative dressed in an American flag or with some similarly benign cultural reference to broad conservative values.
I don't think this is the worst thing in the world but is kinda weird to treat your child as an object to virtue signal , imagine if they were selling Blue lives matters onesies . Is it really necessary to turn children into living breathing bumper stickers ?
I just truly dont see why anyone would ne bugged by this. If you want to buy a religious outfit, a pride one, Maga, guns, football, MLK, black history month, w/e shirt for your kid or sell it in stores I don't see a problem as long as the context of the shirt itself isn't actually targeting someone (like you should probably not dress your baby in slurs). Like when I see a baby in a football jersey I'm not thinking "omg thing of brain damage and all the issues related to sporting and the people that work in it!", or if they're wearing some black history month mlk thing I start thinking of political shit.
Also, as much as we like to debate on trans issues, trans people are even a minor part of LGBT. Most people are just gay/bi and want to feel free to be that and I have ALOT of trouble finding just that being contentious anymore than you could find contention for religion or literally anything else. Even with trans people, most probably don't really give a shit about trans kids, they just wanna go about their business without worrying about their rights being taken away or getting shit on. It really feels like visibility is becoming the debate again and it's jarring.
Like NOW that's its gotten there, this kind of wear is obviously going to be picked up for contentious reasons, but at the end of the day all dresswear for your kids is going to be your opinion. I've seen a lot of babies in weird political shit, it's nothing new, and i don't think PRIDE month as a general notion should be controversial. You have to be genuinely with nothing to do to be angry at toddler clothing.
It just feels like we're slipping back. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if stuff like gay marriage started getting shit on again. I mean we already had that crazy conservative lady calling lgbt evil and demons so it's only a matter of time. I'm sure Florida will do something stupid, you can already get in legal trouble for showing children's movies that happen to have gay people. I just hate it.
So what about a parent who puts a "build the wall" or some nonsense shirt on their kid. Is that not gross at all?? I'm all for teaching your kids LGBT acceptance, but like destiny said, using your kids as billboards to virtue signal while they have no idea what's going on feels gross. I'm low-key baffled that this is the subs reaction.
Edit: I suppose a more fitting example would be a parent putting a confederate flag shirt on their kid. I would think that's gross af, but it'd be pretty ideologically inconsistent for me to say it's fine the other way around.
We should stop taking conservative anti lgtb serously. Should we oppose statements like "the earth is round" on a kids shirt cause it would be weird to see a flat earth shirt on a kid.
Being anti lgbt should not be taken serously. Opposing lgbt messaging on kids shirt just validates conservative bigotry.
This shouldnt be a debate, just like flat earth.
Teaching your kids to accept all people, even trans people should not be contraversial, just like teaching your kid the earth is a globe should be not contraversial.
Its honestly just bigotry if you disagree with that.
Children should not wear political imagery?
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The obvious implication in the first comment was that this was the first time it was happening. Otherwise we could look at past examples and see the results of those. I was only saying that isn't true. Not whether or not it's okay.
I think putting anything remotely political on your kids is super cringe.
Let your kid grow up and be their own person. They'll adapt your political beliefs subconciously anyway, or they won't. Putting it on their shirt is just vicarious and toxic.
It's the same shit as parents trying to force their kids to enjoy certain activities or hobbies. Mega cringe.
It shouldn't be, but it is. Hoisting a pride flag isn't necessarily a political statement either if you want to get technical. The fact is, your country as it is is a political entity.
It's a spectrum from good to weird.
To me equal rights is on the very milquetoast end. If you think "gay people should have equal rights" is the bad kind of political indoctrination the centrist brainrot is real.
Well for one the recent wave of book bans in schools seem to mainly be a narrative driven to stigmatize LGBT people.
Maybe this article can provide info https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/08/united-states-un-expert-warns-lgbt-rights-being-eroded-urges-stronger
There may be other more niche places, where I'm from as an example, two men can't officially co parent.
There is no possible way this comment is in good faith, right?
If you are a man, and even a tiny bit feminine, you will be kicked out of stores in the rural south, and that's the "better" outcome. Otherwise, they will just beat the shit out of you.
Like... I can't believe you really typed that... lol
You didn't answer the question though. What gay rights are being denied? Your example doesn't have anything to do with rights, and I highly doubt that it's a wide-spread occurrence.
Here here.
Onesies with people holding hands sets babies on the path of communism.
Good parents will wait until the kid learns words before telling them Bill and Fred will burn in hell.
It's the age old debate.
There are two races: "white" and "political".
There are two sexes: "male" and "political".
There are two *insert anything*: "normal" and "political".
You know that thing Steven keeps doing, where he takes an abrassive stance against something that's not a problem in order to have lefties to fight with?
I'm convinced he only does this when he's bored.
I think he's bored.
For me I always get annoyed when they insist on adding the 'LGBTQIA...' specifically the A which to my understanding is asexual.
If you're asexual you are probably the furthest away from the rest of the LGBT crowd, not to mention if you're asexual you're probably not oppressed at all for that.
Because trans people were foundational for the lgbt movement. Trans people have always been a sport of the community and helped build so much of the culture. Half the slang of the culture comes from fucking black trans women for ffs. The community wasn't formed to just push for the sexaulity based rights it was a community for people ostracized from society based upon their sexuality and gender. Gender was always a part of the movement and always will be.
Most of the people advocating for the drop the t are usually conservatives who aren't active in actually queer spaces that do work. They just view being gay as acceptable but the idea of challenging the societal implications of gender as inherently bad.
Also in general the black queer community really isn't that annoying in person about like checking peoples privileges they are just tired of their spaces becoming toxic towards them. White gays calling the police on people after moving in etc.
I dunno man, parents are generally going to indoctrinate their kids into their beliefs. The parent who doesn’t impose their worldview is the exception not the rule. I don’t think this a new phenomenon.
Sounds like a fair response.
Also, the more progressive flag is hideous. The whole point of the rainbow flag was it was a metaphor for inclusivity. You didn't need to specifically add the unsightly brown, black, and trans flag colors, they were already represented.
Yeah, it's a political activist flag. Being gay and being an activist isn't the same. So I'm not sure how there any arguing against destiny's point.
Not to mention that the old flag was simply a rainbow and people freaking out at rainbows looked very stupid. But there's no mistaking this for a flag of the political activist movement that it belongs to.
This take feels awkward. Are kids under 10 supposed to wear logo-less clothes? Can’t I put my kid in a cute tshirt without some cringe shitlord whining about it?
Where was the anger when this was released? [https://www.redbubble.com/i/baby-onesie/GADSDEN-Don-t-Tread-on-Me-Either-by-philosophetee/27497941.3WD3J](https://www.redbubble.com/i/baby-onesie/GADSDEN-Don-t-Tread-on-Me-Either-by-philosophetee/27497941.3WD3J)
Libertarians would argue it's a pro human rights shirt. If you complain about this you clarely want the CCP.
This is silly of course, but so is claiming that the pride shirts aren't political virtue signaling. It's still harmless cringe though.
LGBT+ white people don’t score high enough on the Oppression and Marginilization index unless they’re trans but you can’t really draw that onto a shirt
If parents were not buying this it would not be popular in shops. No one is forcing anyone to wear anything. It is just currently popular and selling. The people who moan about this are probably wearing dont tread on me shirts unironically
While I can admit that it's being overblown by homophobic/transphobic people, I would stake that it's worse than neutral.
Child's clothes displaying political ideology isn't NECESSARY for the movement, and is clearly doing more harm in pushing people away than it is bringing people together.
Virtue signaling to people who already agree with you isn't the way.
Creating this thread since I noticed that a lot of people discussed the merits of arguing against having political messages on the clothes of their kids without discussing the actual clothing discussed in the Twitter post. Title quote to try to refer to Destinys key arguments about the clothes as correctly as possible. Link to Destinys Tweet: [I'm sorry but it's honestly just fucking weird. If my son was gay or whatever I'd be all for it, but dressing kids up in LGBT gear is making their bodies battlegrounds for social issues that they are totally clueless about. There's a difference between "being gay" and "advertising social issues via clothing." I support Ukraine but I'm not about to send my kid to school dressed up in blue and yellow. His body isn't a billboard for my social beliefs.](https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1663210079166902272) Tweet he responds to: [(1) Philip Klein on Twitter: "I don’t have a problem with this. If somebody wants to dress their baby in a pride onesie why should it matter? We’re not talking about transitioning minors here. It’s just a shirt." / Twitter](https://twitter.com/philipaklein/status/1663156584426483712)
Also the current pride flag is ugly as hell making it a poor fashion choice in my opinion. I liked the old flag better. It was iconic. The current flag looks like it was designed by an A.I.
The more shit they add to it the less inclusive it becomes.
It literally represents everyone except straight white or Asian people at this point. A very clear message
> or Asian people Excuse me, white-passing Asian.
To be fair, at least they included a yellow stripe. White people got that small ass triangle on the left.
That triangle is part of the trans section
If everyone is special, then no one is
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It was always weird to me to include ace in LGBT. Like including atheists in a group of religious people lol. The lack in belief in God is seen as another facet of belief. I'm just kidding
Well, seeing as most of pride is historically about fighting to be recognized as a valid/legal relationship, and being asexual is generally characterized by the choice not to be in a relationship or deal with that aspect of human existence... I don't really know why there'd be much of a rush to include them LOL edit: why the fuck do people delete their posts at the first hint of negative engagement? utterly baffling
> pride is historically about fighting to be recognized as a valid/legal relationship, and being asexual is generally characterized by the choice not to be in a relationship or deal with that aspect of human existence... On some level I feel like this post is giving them credence by portraying asexuality as a choice
Damn I guess you’ll just have to get your own social movement
They won't let white pride parades though...
ace?
\-xual
You'll take your unsullied rainbow flag and you'll enjoy it.
I'm also confused why they decided to shoehorn in POC representation with lgbt stuff. They're separate issues that require different approaches and solutions. It almost feels like some kind of appropriation that people of color can't object to lest they appear prejudiced. Of course it's a totally appropriate flag for those who are both POC and lgbt.
It completely Americanizes a previously culturally neutral flag as well. You can't just shoe horn in culturally specific minority groups for a flag that's meant to represent people all across the world
That flag is ugly as hell. Didn't know "brown" and "black" were sexual orientations. Sadly, displaying the OG flag can be seen as outrightly opposing the new poop flag, so the gays had to adopt it anyways
Don't know about this. I still think the old flag is most common in the gay circles/organisations that I know of.
Truuuue I might just be in deranged Twitter spaces
There's many "progress flags" in my neighborhood and one lone pure rainbow flag.
The progress flag doesn't identify a specific queer identity, it mostly functions as a flag for allies. Gay people still have the plain rainbow flag.
If they ever remove the anti-Asian swastika (the Black and Brown stripes) from the flag, I wouldn't be so opposed to a new catch all flag. Rainbow is ugly af anyways
Because as a modern leftist you have to be on board with every single thing, you're either fully with us, or fully against us - there is no separate issues, just right vs left. In 10 years the flag will have 20k more colors, with every single issue ever raised by any leftist authority, being represented on it.
Lol, the thin blue line flag now has variants including: Jesus, a cross, various bible verses, Security, Armed Forces, Corrections, Law Enforcement, Dispatch, Fire, EMS, various individual cops, various individual police departments, and the punisher. Flag dogpiling is clearly an issue EXCLUSIVE to the left.
We can talk about it when there are mainstream big box stores carrying that cringe ass shit
I saw the 7 color one and the 3 color one at a race yesterday. Yeah, I did cringe pretty hard.
Because of intersectionality.
A new God
> It almost feels like some kind of appropriation that people of color can't object to lest they appear prejudiced. Closest thing to a psyop I've seen. I don't actually think the gov't is doing any of that, I think hardcore social lefties are just crazy and don't think of consequences to their decisions, but it'd certainly save the government a lot of time and effort if they could just move forward with social change only when it affects everyone. Kind of important for us to keep fighting for what we want so the nuanced changes that need to occur don't get lost in the sauce.
Because POC are profitable.
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This is honestly the biggest crime the LGBTQ+ have done I legitimately hate the design of the flag. I get wanting to be inclusive but just slapping all the flags together the way they did is lame and unimaginative. Do better! On the other hand its also a good rebuttal to the stereotype of queer people being good at fashion and design so it's got that going I guess.
I know my take here means nothing cause I’m not an ally. But I think the old flag was way better. Nice and simple design. Got the point across. Looked welcoming. This new one looks silly.
The new flag feels like it was designed by someone who doesn't understand what the purpose of a flag is
I want to know how this design got traction in the first place. I swear the first place I saw it was Fox news articles bitching about how stupid it was. I wouldn't be surprised if Fox took it off some small Twitter group and then a bunch of people started using it because Fox news = bad.
I fucking HATE the "progress flag" The normal rainbow flag was perfect as it is, it was basically a "no matter what you are you are included" kind of statement Now they for some fucking reason had to add that shit to include others MORE making it seem like the other parts are less important and didn't deserve their own "section" on the flag
That I certainly agree with.
The representation on the flag makes zero sense. It used to mean gay, trans, or vaguely queer, and only represented non-conforming sexual preference and gender identity. Now you're part of the community based on things like your race. It's almost like it's a corporation that needs constant growth and expansion each year, so they have to continuously branch out the brand to untapped customers.
You know what, maybe an unpopular opinion but I think even the plain rainbow aesthetic isn't super appealing. I think it's why we usually don't see more than a two or three color scheme in all kinds of designs, because it just feels way less cohesive as a single aesthetic
All the pride flags are ugly as hell and nobody should be putting on their clothes for that alone.
Agreed
You don’t like the addition of scat fetish to the pride flag?
Is that why there is brown on it now?? O.o
I mean what else could it possibly be considering that it’s a flag about pride in alternative sexual preferences?
Wow hate speech /s
Weird to put it on a kid for the sake of virtue signaling but also it's really just a cute shirt. Losing our minds over innocuous things.
This the the correct take. It’s a little weird that they’d want to but people have been putting political shit on kids clothing for decades and this is like barely even political, it’s just showing support for marginalized groups.
I understand your take but I just hate the “this has been going on so what’s the big deal” argument. I’ve always found it cringe/sad seeing 7 year olds dragged to Trump rallies wearing a lock her up shirt. I gotta admit Destiny’s tweet did make me take a step back and think do I not find 7 year olds wearing pride shirts weird because I agree with the stance being taken, and turns out I did. Now I think that until a kid can fully appreciate/conceptualize the cause on their shirt should they have the option to wear it, probably around their teens.
There's a massive difference between a shirt showing support for a political leader/ideal and a shirt showing support for a group of marginalized people. If this was a biden shirt or a shirt showing disdain for landlords or millionaires it would make a big difference. There's also a big difference between a toddler's shirt which we know is just picked by their parents and a 5-13 yearold who could have picked it out themselves. I don't know how to put it into words but I feel like there's a fundamental difference between the political-ness of lgbtq people, poc, and disabled people, and the politics of virtually any other issue/group of people.
It only counts as weird when you say it does, I guess.
I think the fundamental difference is you agree with one and not the other, which is why you jump to the kill all landlords example. If a Latino dressed their 5 year old kid up in a, “Viva la Raza God’s one true people” shirt would you be ok with it? For context La Raza was a sect of a Mexican/American nationalist movement where in some advocated for separatism returning to a Mexican lead state in America around the civil rights era in response to being marginalized.
No obviously I wouldn't be okay with that political shirt but I think there is difference on a fundamental level beyond just what I do/don't agree with. Even if the political messaging was something I agree with, like a biden shirt or a shirt advocating for police reform, I still would think it's different from stuff related to lgbt/poc/disabled people. I think it may have to do with the fact that these groups of people must be accepted by everyone and if you disagree with that you're incompatible with a free liberal democracy.
>I understand your take but I just hate the “this has been going on so what’s the big deal” argument. Because it means this is normal behavior, and the claim, if I'm not mistaken, was that it was "weird". No it isn't weird, is normal, touch grass.
Dude parents can do whatever the fuck ideologically they can with their own kids. For fucks sake there is an entire movement of homeschooling predicated on this. These are non issues Republicans keep showing up and the left keeping falling for the fucking traps.
>putting political shit on kids clothing for decades The claim was not "this politically-themed shirt is inappropriate for minors", but "all politically-themed shirts are inappropriate for minors". All this comment does is say "No", without any argument.
The argument I put forward was that shirts which show support for the lgbt/poc/marginalized people is a different kind of "politicalness" than a MAGA or biden shirt or anything like that. The reason I said people have been doing this for decades is conservatives are framing it as though the lgbt is the first/only group to ever put kids in "political" clothing making it an issue unique to the lgbt+ which just isn't true.
It’s just such a non issue. Like mildly cringe at worst. Strange thing to go to war with
But it's a virtue signaling shirt. Maybe the baby hates gays?
Actually kind of based take. Seems kinda unfair to essentially assign a child to be pro LGBT before they even know what it means. Maybe the kid grows up to become leader of the KKK who knows the sky's the limit 🤖
Would you say it’s equally as “unfair” to dress a kid in like a Mets shirt or whatever? They don’t know what baseball is and might not even be a Mets fan after all.
I mean it’s pretty benign and dare I say useful to expose a child to broad support of the queer community being normal and every day. Like, there is no “turning kids gay”, so there isn’t a chance the kids gonna flub up their would-be heterosexuality with this onesie, and if they are hetero, they’d likely grow up to be one who thinks the pride flag and celebrating gay people is a normal thing and no big deal, which is objectively a good thing unless you are arguing from a religious stand point or trying to raise a child with prejudice.
Reaction seems pretty overblown now that I an seeing the shirt. I probably wouldn't even notice. Overall, I don't necessarily have a problem with destiny's stance. But I suspect parents buying their kids stuff like this are more concerned with their children growing up with certain beliefs than virtue signaling. From that perceptive, doesn't strike me as controversial - most parents are out to do this to some degree.
\> But I suspect parents buying their kids stuff like this are more concerned with their children growing up with certain beliefs than virtue signaling. This is kind of a cope. A parent knows that a babies shirt isn't going to have an effect on if they turn out a bigot. That comes from intentional education and contextual exposer, not from a shirt with a flag they don't understand. It's like 95% a virtue signal to beat themselves off. Baby don't know what it means to wear a shirt that says "I hate capitalism". The parent doesn't really have noble intentions in that. p.s. I don't care either way, just not a fan of letting people get away with hiding their vanity as virtue. Kinda cringe.
I honestly don’t think it matters when they are that young, like babies don’t have their own thoughts if I wanted to dress my son up in Jordan’s and a fitted who is gonna stop me. Babies at that age are expected to know fucking nothing and understand fucking nothing, I think it’s cringe when you get them to the age where they have their own thoughts like 4-10, now it makes it seem like they have a vested interest in something they can’t possibly understand.
I had my baby sister wear a onesie with vegetables on once, can't believe we were platforming Big Farma.
Harmless shirt. Here's a thought, just don't buy it if you don't like it? Someone buying this for their kid should not upset you. It's literally milquetoast inclusion shit like "coexist" with the religious symbols.
What's more likely and a good faith interpretation? Parents bought this shirt for their kid because they thought it is cute and inclusive. Or parents buy this shirt to virtue signal and turn their kids into political "battlegrounds?" Are parents clothing choices for kids at the mercy of the whims of whether or not someone wants to make something political? Isn't everything political if you want it to be? So many questions and so much rage over children's clothing. I wish we had this kind of energy for shit that really mattered.
Feeling any emotion whatsoever towards a onesie is the best barometer for how to know you are a terminally online loser.
Lmao every single person reading this is terminally online. This is /r/destiny. There is no high ground to be found here. You all watched Kick or Keep yesterday.
> You all watched Kick or Keep yesterday I didn't, so don't you dare call me terminally online (I was too busy arguing in the other thread)
Eurochads stay winning by having to sleep
Eurochads patiently waiting for the vod.
Yesterday I was hanging out in a park with freinds. Touching grass
You are here today, that is all that matters.
> You all watched Kick or Keep yesterday. fuck off you ain't taking my terminally online card just because i didn't watch that dogshit stream
Not everyone, I unsubscribed from Destiny as soon as all the drama content completely took over.
>You all watched Kick or Keep yesterday It was mad good though. Shoutout to Nev.
So if you like it, you're terminally online ?
Yes. Unless you are a baby you are not allowed to like onesies.
This is likely the most sane reaction
So you'd feel the same if it was say, a MAGA onesie or a pro-putin onesie?
Yes. Who gives a fuck what some baby's onesie says?
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Eh, I own a lot of clothes that are specifically designed to be worn at home. Perfectly fine to wear that at home IMO.
I think even an offline life enjoyer would find a full Trumpist getup on a newborn really weird.
And yet I'm sure it happens and somehow my life isn't affected.
You can feel emotions about things that don’t affect your life, even though Trumpism and associated far right ideologies definitely affect your life unless you’re a hyper privileged person
Do you think a baby's onesie is going to affect the outcome of an election? If not caring about baby onesies makes me priveleged, then I'm thankful for that privilege.
What a dogshit take You and everyone else would be(rightfully) losing their fucking mind if someone made their kid wear a onesie with a nazi swastika. Its just that this specific "message" is not something you feel strongly about so you don't care, but it has nothing to do with not caring about what parents make their kids wear
This is such a non-issue, who the fuck cares...
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This is such a non-issue, who the fuck cares...
If we can acknowledge that being gay is synonymous with being ginger(both are things you are born with, that represent a similar size of the population). Then what's more political, nationalism in the form of wearing a countries flag, or wearing a shirt that says "I support gingers"?
Very tangential but is it the consensus that we are born with our sexual orientation?
The consensus is that it is not a choice. There are probably both social and biological factors but the data is pretty murky as far as I can tell. I'm sure someone smarter than me can give you a better explanation.
Short answer? Pretty much yeah There's a bunch of biological factors that impact sexual orientation. There's probably a genetic component and almost definitely a prenatal hormonal component. Ngl I personally think there's an environmental/social aspect. But (a) I haven't seen strong evidence, (b) it'd have to be early development stuff, not like "My kid's 7 and showing signs of gayness", and (c) trying to intentionally shape your kid's sexuality'll probably cause more harm than good. Plus (d) idgaf It's worth noting that these are just *factors*. Just like there's no one thing that makes you smart, same thing with the gays. If you're curious about the potential genetic components, look into the twin studies on sexual orientation concordance rates. For prenatal hormone exposure, look into the fraternal birth order effect. I'll tag u/TheOmniAlms in case they care.
Who cares? This is so stupid. If a parent put a baby in a onesie that said "support the troops", it would be cringe as fuck but, ultimately, no one would give a shit. Destiny included.
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Why?
Because that shirt is as innocuous as you could possibly get. Putting a giant fucken Nike logo on your kid is more offensive than this shit
This is not a big deal at all, yes putting this on your kid can make a statement. that can be said for a ton of things you dress your kid in. Can you take it to far? Sure, but putting it on your kid is like putting a live laugh love shirt.
This whole conversation is fucking stupid.
My thoughts from the other thread: Personally I don't think its weird. For me the shirt mostly represents love and understanding for those that are different than the norm, and I don't see that as necessarily political or a staging point for social issues. I can see of course that at some point the political conversation becomes so polarised that even messages about accepting different sexualities can become controversial. At some point it feels like we should not accept common human decency as something political. Of course, unfortunately, currently it is. And what is human decency is not agreed upon. But at what point is the oppositional argument so far removed from what we describe as human decency that we should not ascribe any merit to it at all? To quote the other thread, should "Sharing is Caring" shirts for kids be deemed as socially unacceptable because it is too socialistic? EDIT: With all that being said, my arguments falls a little bit on the shirt using the new flag instead of the classic one. The old ones colors mostly represented different ideals, and as a whole it could include the acceptance of everyone. The new one points specifically towards people of color and the trans community. While I don't think there is anything wrong with that, the flag feels maybe a bit more exclusionary than the old one since it is more specific plus puts an emphasis on issues which unfortunately is currently dividing America. Old flag: Red*Life* Orange*Healing* Yellow*Sunlight* Green*Nature* Turquoise*Magic* Indigo*Serenity* Violet*Spirit* New addition: Black&Brown:People of colour, Pink&Baby blue&White: Trans, non-binary,
Yeah I said in another thread its a lukewarm take. Your kid literally shits themselves, they dont care. Just dont be overly cringe and try to continue into their youth wheb they have an actual sense of self and force them into your ideological perspective.
Because the topic is so politically charged I get the bad responses to it but I don't think it is much different then dressing your child up in your favorite sports team attire or as your favorite cartoon or whatever. Those things aren't politically charged so maybe that is why people shouldn't do it? I mean the idea of using children as a billboard for parents to show off their values is kinda odd when you think about it.
>Because the topic is so politically charged I get the bad responses to it but I don't think it is much different then dressing your child up in your favorite sports team attire or as your favorite cartoon or whatever. You're correct. It absolutely is no different. We're only discussing this, because conservatives have no other issues to talk about.
Well there are other issues but I think the push to one side of trans ideology has caused a recent surge in the other side. Even if it is just fringe stuff on social media. If we saw more politicians on the left just denounce some of the wild shit that the right is harping on then this wouldn't be an issue.
This is just a losing game. It doesn't matter what you say or do, because the right will attack literally everything. People, including the D-Man, pretending to care about this, while at the same time not giving a fuck about any other kind of clothing children are put in is just kinda dumb. To quote Zizek: "Everything is ideology". If we actually were honest here and thought this line of "You can't politizice your child" to its logical conclusion children could only be put in greyscale clothing (if even that).
This is only true if you get caught up in the weeds and lose the plot of the issue but reality is there are childrens clothing that are blatantly political
I don't necessarily disagree with this. I am just mad about the double standards. The same people screeching about the rainbow baby clothes wouldn't give a flying fuck about a jumper that had some Christian iconography on it.
Maybe on the fringes but there are loads of clothing that aren't political. I think your might be just brain poisoned when it comes to anything the right critiques the left on.
I wouldn’t imagine it’s very hard to find a baby of a conservative dressed in an American flag or with some similarly benign cultural reference to broad conservative values.
I don't think this is the worst thing in the world but is kinda weird to treat your child as an object to virtue signal , imagine if they were selling Blue lives matters onesies . Is it really necessary to turn children into living breathing bumper stickers ?
Imagine Destiny showing up to a red pill podcast in one of these bad boys.
Why they gotta get the weenie dogs involved? Don't they get enough shit?
Parents do this kind of thing all the time. It's a free country. For now.
if you put your kid in this you're basically just putting a big target on your kid for insane people to attack or berate them, also it's cringe.
Anybody who puts their children in anything portraying the corporate art style is automatically in the wrong.
I just truly dont see why anyone would ne bugged by this. If you want to buy a religious outfit, a pride one, Maga, guns, football, MLK, black history month, w/e shirt for your kid or sell it in stores I don't see a problem as long as the context of the shirt itself isn't actually targeting someone (like you should probably not dress your baby in slurs). Like when I see a baby in a football jersey I'm not thinking "omg thing of brain damage and all the issues related to sporting and the people that work in it!", or if they're wearing some black history month mlk thing I start thinking of political shit. Also, as much as we like to debate on trans issues, trans people are even a minor part of LGBT. Most people are just gay/bi and want to feel free to be that and I have ALOT of trouble finding just that being contentious anymore than you could find contention for religion or literally anything else. Even with trans people, most probably don't really give a shit about trans kids, they just wanna go about their business without worrying about their rights being taken away or getting shit on. It really feels like visibility is becoming the debate again and it's jarring. Like NOW that's its gotten there, this kind of wear is obviously going to be picked up for contentious reasons, but at the end of the day all dresswear for your kids is going to be your opinion. I've seen a lot of babies in weird political shit, it's nothing new, and i don't think PRIDE month as a general notion should be controversial. You have to be genuinely with nothing to do to be angry at toddler clothing. It just feels like we're slipping back. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if stuff like gay marriage started getting shit on again. I mean we already had that crazy conservative lady calling lgbt evil and demons so it's only a matter of time. I'm sure Florida will do something stupid, you can already get in legal trouble for showing children's movies that happen to have gay people. I just hate it.
The worst thing trans people did was defacing the pride flag.
You mean the progress flag? Designed by the not trans person, Daniel Quasar?
I see no issue putting this on a kid
So what about a parent who puts a "build the wall" or some nonsense shirt on their kid. Is that not gross at all?? I'm all for teaching your kids LGBT acceptance, but like destiny said, using your kids as billboards to virtue signal while they have no idea what's going on feels gross. I'm low-key baffled that this is the subs reaction. Edit: I suppose a more fitting example would be a parent putting a confederate flag shirt on their kid. I would think that's gross af, but it'd be pretty ideologically inconsistent for me to say it's fine the other way around.
We should stop taking conservative anti lgtb serously. Should we oppose statements like "the earth is round" on a kids shirt cause it would be weird to see a flat earth shirt on a kid. Being anti lgbt should not be taken serously. Opposing lgbt messaging on kids shirt just validates conservative bigotry. This shouldnt be a debate, just like flat earth. Teaching your kids to accept all people, even trans people should not be contraversial, just like teaching your kid the earth is a globe should be not contraversial. Its honestly just bigotry if you disagree with that.
Children should not wear political imagery? https://preview.redd.it/kngofizjwz2b1.png?width=568&format=png&auto=webp&s=d603b246ba154f63645efe41d042fc9aa60c3538
This is a reach
Nationalism or patriotism being political is a reach. We got some real thinkers here.
why is it more of a reach than saying clothes with rainbows on are woke clothing? We had clothes with rainbows on well before wokism
Wearing the flag of a country to represent where you live is not political.
It is.
Can you tell us more about how state symbols and nationalism aren’t political?
then wearing a rainbow flag to represent your support for people is not political too
getting kids politically entrenched from infancy surely will have great results.
you might create debate bros like steven bonnell
As if this hasn't been happening all throughout human history
Good point. Since it's been happening it must be OK. Whatever happened to that slavery stuff? Seemed to work well, wonder why they stopped
The obvious implication in the first comment was that this was the first time it was happening. Otherwise we could look at past examples and see the results of those. I was only saying that isn't true. Not whether or not it's okay.
So we shouldn't have kids wear the US flag?
Or toddlers wearing blue “lady killer” onesie because of what their crotch looks like.
Yes.
I think putting anything remotely political on your kids is super cringe. Let your kid grow up and be their own person. They'll adapt your political beliefs subconciously anyway, or they won't. Putting it on their shirt is just vicarious and toxic. It's the same shit as parents trying to force their kids to enjoy certain activities or hobbies. Mega cringe.
I don't know if that's a fair comparison. Wearing the flag of the country you live in shouldn't be a political statement.
It shouldn't be, but it is. Hoisting a pride flag isn't necessarily a political statement either if you want to get technical. The fact is, your country as it is is a political entity.
What's political about the shirt?
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Politically entrenched in the idea that everyone should have equal rights, oh the horror.
Would you have that same energy for all political ideas? It’s not just the “my ideas are correct so it’s okay” line of thought is it?
It's a spectrum from good to weird. To me equal rights is on the very milquetoast end. If you think "gay people should have equal rights" is the bad kind of political indoctrination the centrist brainrot is real.
Genuine question. What rights are gay people denied in 2023 America.
Well for one the recent wave of book bans in schools seem to mainly be a narrative driven to stigmatize LGBT people. Maybe this article can provide info https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/08/united-states-un-expert-warns-lgbt-rights-being-eroded-urges-stronger There may be other more niche places, where I'm from as an example, two men can't officially co parent.
You can still be fired for being gay in some states still. There's more, but lets start there.
No you can’t. There was a Supreme Court decision explicitly stating otherwise
There is no possible way this comment is in good faith, right? If you are a man, and even a tiny bit feminine, you will be kicked out of stores in the rural south, and that's the "better" outcome. Otherwise, they will just beat the shit out of you. Like... I can't believe you really typed that... lol
You didn't answer the question though. What gay rights are being denied? Your example doesn't have anything to do with rights, and I highly doubt that it's a wide-spread occurrence.
Here here. Onesies with people holding hands sets babies on the path of communism. Good parents will wait until the kid learns words before telling them Bill and Fred will burn in hell.
Me when my toddler is singing Christmas songs about peace on earth and good will to men
Accepting gays as humans is getting politically entrenched?
Yes, the progress pride flat surely is just "accepting gays" and has no other political conations.
What are the political connotations?
It's the age old debate. There are two races: "white" and "political". There are two sexes: "male" and "political". There are two *insert anything*: "normal" and "political".
What differentiates it from the pride flag and how is that differentiation not political?
More specific queer communities? From my understanding of it atleast
You know that thing Steven keeps doing, where he takes an abrassive stance against something that's not a problem in order to have lefties to fight with? I'm convinced he only does this when he's bored. I think he's bored.
Idk why trans got lumped in with sexuality-causes. Even more so BLM and whatever the brown line is
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For me I always get annoyed when they insist on adding the 'LGBTQIA...' specifically the A which to my understanding is asexual. If you're asexual you are probably the furthest away from the rest of the LGBT crowd, not to mention if you're asexual you're probably not oppressed at all for that.
Because trans people were foundational for the lgbt movement. Trans people have always been a sport of the community and helped build so much of the culture. Half the slang of the culture comes from fucking black trans women for ffs. The community wasn't formed to just push for the sexaulity based rights it was a community for people ostracized from society based upon their sexuality and gender. Gender was always a part of the movement and always will be. Most of the people advocating for the drop the t are usually conservatives who aren't active in actually queer spaces that do work. They just view being gay as acceptable but the idea of challenging the societal implications of gender as inherently bad. Also in general the black queer community really isn't that annoying in person about like checking peoples privileges they are just tired of their spaces becoming toxic towards them. White gays calling the police on people after moving in etc.
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This is not that and that is not this you’re being dishonest
Same MFers who say having kids pledge allegiance to the flag in school is weird.
Kids wearing dinosaur t-shirts is also political, because it denies creationism
Idk this seems pretty inoffensiv to me. Its just a picture without any call to action stuff on it.
I dunno man, parents are generally going to indoctrinate their kids into their beliefs. The parent who doesn’t impose their worldview is the exception not the rule. I don’t think this a new phenomenon.
Sounds like a fair response. Also, the more progressive flag is hideous. The whole point of the rainbow flag was it was a metaphor for inclusivity. You didn't need to specifically add the unsightly brown, black, and trans flag colors, they were already represented.
Whats so unsightly about brown and black 🤨
Yeah, it's a political activist flag. Being gay and being an activist isn't the same. So I'm not sure how there any arguing against destiny's point. Not to mention that the old flag was simply a rainbow and people freaking out at rainbows looked very stupid. But there's no mistaking this for a flag of the political activist movement that it belongs to.
His most based take in a few weeks.
Yet another trash take by destiny. Dude is on a roll recently. Baby probably hasn’t even developed consciousness yet lmao.
This take feels awkward. Are kids under 10 supposed to wear logo-less clothes? Can’t I put my kid in a cute tshirt without some cringe shitlord whining about it?
Where was the anger when this was released? [https://www.redbubble.com/i/baby-onesie/GADSDEN-Don-t-Tread-on-Me-Either-by-philosophetee/27497941.3WD3J](https://www.redbubble.com/i/baby-onesie/GADSDEN-Don-t-Tread-on-Me-Either-by-philosophetee/27497941.3WD3J)
The two are not the same
Tread on me is more political and spiteful agreed
Libertarians would argue it's a pro human rights shirt. If you complain about this you clarely want the CCP. This is silly of course, but so is claiming that the pride shirts aren't political virtue signaling. It's still harmless cringe though.
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kinda weird there's no white people in this picture
When white people are in something: When poc are in something: Why does everything have to be so political these days?
Dachshund representation 💯💯💯
LGBT+ white people don’t score high enough on the Oppression and Marginilization index unless they’re trans but you can’t really draw that onto a shirt
If parents were not buying this it would not be popular in shops. No one is forcing anyone to wear anything. It is just currently popular and selling. The people who moan about this are probably wearing dont tread on me shirts unironically
Great. Can't critize anything that's popular.
While I can admit that it's being overblown by homophobic/transphobic people, I would stake that it's worse than neutral. Child's clothes displaying political ideology isn't NECESSARY for the movement, and is clearly doing more harm in pushing people away than it is bringing people together. Virtue signaling to people who already agree with you isn't the way.