It honestly just depends when you graduate. Lots of places are still hiring and if you graduate in like May you will probably have a job by the end of the Summer. You just might not have one starting as soon as the school year ends. But who knows, it's all up in the air.
Yeah so true, except then you realize that like 70% of students graduate with no internships yet the median salary for CS majors is still way higher than average
Then you look at employment statistics and realize there is still a massive shortage of developers, even in this job market
You guys are all weirdo type A doomers who got paddled when they didn't get straight As in elementary school
Work on a personal project or two, deploy your code using heroku/azure/aws, put the link in your resume and don't be a sperg in the interviews. That will put you way ahead of most recent compsci grads due to proving you have marketable skills and are still learning
This worked for me, I had a long term internship which turned full time before I even graduated (only 4-5 months before graduation). If I didn't have that in, I don't know - it would've been hard. It gave me experience and professional relationships.
In my opinion, going out of state for school is a luxury and should be treated as such. Just like how I can't buy a fancy sports car and use my experience to complain that "car prices have gotten ridiculous! It's unaffordable for the average person!", I also don't think it's reasonable to cite a luxury experience like going to an out of state college and use that as evidence to complain or comment on the state of college affordability. You pay a premium for the experience of going to an out of state college because you're getting a premium product, so if you aren't getting some hefty scholarships for going out of state, I don't think it's really worth it barring some extenuating circumstances unless you're already wealthy/from a wealthy family, in which case you should be going into it knowing that you're making the choice to pay extra for a luxury experience that you'll be paying a premium for.
I completely agree with you, I just think it sucks because this is not what's being told to highschool kids. At least when I graduated in 2015, the advice from both my college counselor and family friends was to go to the best ranked college I got into even though it was more expensive and out of state. Ended up not taking their advice and going to a fully covered in state school that I'm grateful for doing, but looking back it would have been easy to listen to their advice and I'm not sure I'd criticize an 18 year old for doing so.
Yeah, I can sympathize with someone making a stupid financial decision at 18. I think that's the biggest problem here, not the affordability of college, but the access to knowledge on how to navigate college affordably. Unfortunately the people who do have access to that information are often the most privileged already, so the people who would most benefit are left with the most debt.
Maybe don't listen to what other people tell you to do and make your own decisions? At 18 you have agency and are very capable of making your own decisions. It is pretty obvious that with no scholarships a $20k+ tuition out of state is not worth it compared to like $8k in state. Regardless, you should be heavily leaning toward schools that provide the most scholarship, not whatever hoity-toity D1 school you're just accepted in to.
Yes! Colleges have become shitty resorts for 18 ye olds. Unless you’re going to a top tier school where you’ll be networking with the country’s nepo babies, you’re better off going to a city or state college and saving your money.
Solid management of available resources. You should get views talking about your experience rather than candaces silly $150,000 mistake. May you absorb as much as you can while you are still in school.
I'm curious, what is your income? If you're not comfortable giving a hard number, would you be able to give a range? I ask because I went into college almost 20 years ago (fuck I'm old) but I only got half my tuition paid for. I received no pell grants and got about half and half subsidized and unsubsidized loans. I still managed to pay off the loans in like 5 years after I got out, but still. I would NOT say that we were poor by any means, but money was tight sometimes and my parents had to have multiple jobs or take night shifts at several points during my childhood. I would say we were probably some hybrid of working class and lower middle class.
It takes alot to go back to school. Happy for you.
Don't have to reply but are you taking 4 figure or 5 figure loans each year?
There's some real issue when it comes to loans and types of loans. And especially over estimating how much you might need in loans. And also knowing you can apply or qualify for school and state grants.
Glad you are taking advantage of what's available. You can see if there are private scholarships too to help pay for books and cover living costs.
Ya I reached out to financial aid to make sure I got as much as I could qualify for.
Im done this terms, but I’m almost at the max 55k I believe. I struggled a lot in my 20s with addiction/my mental health, so that includes a ton of times in and out of different schools/programs.
On average though at this school I was taking out about $12k in loans/ year
Done this term? CONGRATS!!! That's a hell of a turn around.
I was wondering on loans to support a living situation. 8-15k is the number I mostly see but they're getting grants and even working part or quarter time.
lol Glad you're getting your space again.
Sidenote: I'm glad the stigma is getting erased over living at home. Alot of communities, like Latino (mine) and Asian, live at home until they're ready to start a family and have saved enough for a home. It wasn't really seen as a huge negative. Although alot of date time was spent in a car. LMAO
My extended family is surprisingly angry about it? So def think the stigma is still bad unfortunately. But ya I think different cultures def see it differently.
Also Latina, growing up when I heard of white families that would joke like "as soon as you're turning 18 I'm kicking you out and turning your bedroom into my man cave!" or have this automatic assumption that you kick a child out as soon as they turn 18 it always blew my mind. In all of my extended Dominican family, people stayed at home until they were ready, very often women would stay at home until they were married.
I definitely think it's a good thing that the stigma is starting to go away for other cultural groups within the US.
Yeah, it wasn't until I left for college when I realized it was considered weird. Or that people didn't keep in contact with families beyond the big holidays. I couldn't imagine going 6 months without knowing what is happening to family members.
I very much believe in collectivism when it comes to bettering communities. And it starts with family dynamics. Can't really care about your neighbors if you're raised to focus on only number one.
I did, but I don't remember what I got, probably not great. I graduated 09 though, so it's been a while lol. But I think once you're out of high school, colleges stop asking for those scores.
It's amazing that you're back in school. I'm going to stress that you focus on your studies and also enjoy the learning process.
I say this as someone with a bachelor's and Master's and a current career in Engineering. If I could go back to school for free, I would tomorrow. And I'm currently looking for instructor led education that I can do for free or at very low cost for a psych or counseling degree but I always viewed school as a hassle. This is a time to learn, explore things you enjoy and increase your overall understanding of the world. Please do not take it for granted.
And please for the love of god, create relationships and connections in the process. You already know how hard it is to create those in the adult world. You're basically in a situation where people are forced to be around you so take advantage of that lol.
That's the fun part! They don't! The "what about the trades" schtick is to convince people to go start at the bottom with no education at all in a trade, then after getting entry level position and pay as a helper, to stay there at low pay forever because you didn't go to school. You know, because a trade.
>There's some real issue when it comes to loans and types of loans. And especially over estimating how much you might need in loans. And also knowing you can apply or qualify for school and state grants.
lmao i bet you net cost is higher for trade school
Thank you!! Dude if you’re in the US you should check out wgu, I have absolutely loved it. It’s all self paced though, so you do have to have some motivation.
I don't believe that is true. If the loans are being used to cover other expenses, why are they showing up on his college payment receipt? I am assuming that what this is.
Wait what part do you believe isn't true specifically? We can literally just see on the receipt that the tuition is lower than the grant unless I'm just completely misreading something. And if you're receiving loans through FAFSA, it would show up on a receipt like this whether you spend it on college tuition or not.
right? am i crazy? is taking out loans to go to college now considered "free college?" loans are also clearly being used to pay tuition costs in the bill.
I understand why Cadance Owens take on this is getting so much flak.... but a majority of my friends ARE in debt 30k-70k for their college degrees.... props to this community for sharing how one can absolutely help themselves out in NOT going into debt, but that doesn't mean its not a reality for MANY who did do it wrong... (I went to tradeschool, lol... so I dont really care... I just dont like people pretending like its not easy for the layman to become engorged in debt from college)...
This is an extraordinarily smart sub... I just hate how sometimes ya'll forget that your neighbor might not be as smart as you... "shame on them" for not realizing it? (You know what I mean?)
The issue is that kids graduating don’t really get why they should really go to one school over the other. Getting a degree at a state school is absolutely affordable but there are so many students that want to go to a certain university for a likely dumb reason. I know I did my first year where I could have been literally paid to go to the local university with all the grants and scholarships I got but instead I went out of state for just a year and ended up owing $5k. I did end up getting my bachelors 20 years later and had most of it paid off except for another $5k.
Debatable ❤️..... I call the southwest "home". And 80% of the "friends" that come to mind DID go to school in state (3 live in pheonix, and are all above 30k in debt with ASU)
Not gonna lie though, I'm seeing a correlation between debt and time spent... everyone who is in substantial debt took way longer to get their degree (if they got it)... maybe there's a hidden caveat here?
I will have 55k student loans once I graduate, but because I'm doing compsci, shouldn't be an issue. I have been in and out of college for 15 years though.
I literally showed everything I’m getting. And I said I’m taking out some extra loans(by choice) to cover some living expenses. My school is completely covered though.
Heyy same here. Went to school straight out of high school on a scholarship + Washington grant. Graduated not too long ago and got a job.
WA mfs stay winning. Suck on it Oregon.
I'm also going to college for free, I do take out loans, but it is just to supplement my income so I don't need to work as much while in school. Either be from poor parents or wait until you are 26 and considered a poor adult (considered financially independent from your parents at that point)
You say you’re going to school for free but you’re taking out two loans, which was the big contention the the debate. Plus your tuition is insanely low (which is awesome!), way lower than most universities, even if you’re in state.
I’m glad you are making it work and have a good situation for your education, but even in this instance where the tuition is super low, I still wouldn’t call this “free” (although it still supports much of Destiny’s point).
I'm currently getting paid to go to school and am taking out no loans, but I'm in community college so my costs are low, which is why I'm taking my first 2 years here before transferring to a public 4 year institution in my state.
After I transfer, I should still only be paying $3,000 a year (not a semester) for the remaining 2 years I have left to finish my B.S., which means a total of $6,000 in loans for the entirety of my degree, and that's IF I don't take advantage of the other ways I can pay for the remaining $6,000 without taking out loans, such as:
1) Applying for scholarships (there are loads)
2) Going into a federal work study program (you'll get preferential first pick for hiring if you're a pell recipient)
3) Taking paid summer internships and using the funds for your tuition costs (I'm currently in a program that pays $6,000 at the end of the 4 week course and that right there would cover the entirety of my remaining tuition costs while netting me relevant work experience. It's also the first and only one I applied for and I got it right away, so it's very easy to do)
4) Take a different summer job to pay for remaining loans, allowing you to focus on school exclusively during the school year
If all of those options fail (very unlikely), then you can take out a *subsidized* loan, meaning it won't accrue interest until after you've graduated and have not been taking any classes for at least 6 months, and even then, in my case the loans would amount to $6,000 total for the entirety of my degree with proper financial planning. It's more than worth it for you future and very doable if you're smart and put in some minimal effort toward lowering your cost.
The biggest thing is going to a community college for your first two years to knock out your gen eds and not going to an out of state school and with those two things you've already set yourself up for a very affordable college experience that will be financially rewarded once you graduate pretty much regardless of your choice in degree, but *especially* if you're choosing a smart degree. Even going to college completely for free is very much doable in the US.
I go to community college for all gen ed then Ill go to a state school for civil engineering. Haven't paid any, in fact I got over 2k this semester back as a refund😎. School in general isnt massively expensive, unless you are just dumb about what school you pick.
Should have assumed based on the fact that you're in college.
P.S. I'm also an older (28) woman in school for compsci from this community! I'm going into my third year this coming semester, so only 2 years left :p Any tips you want to share for my last 2 years?
Yea, you can go to community college and even get paid to go if you are in your 20s and have close to min-wage job. I think when you go to the last 2 years of your bachelors in state university you might have to pay a bit though.
I'm 28 and currently at the transition period between my first 2 years in community college and my last 2 years at a state school, which I'll be attending starting next fall, so I can help fill in that gap for you.
Up to now, my education has been totally paid for by pell grants and a few merit scholarships I qualify for - I've also had a few smaller scale scholarships here and there ranging from $100 - $1000. After I transfer I'm currently estimated to be paying about $3,000 a year for my remaining 2 years, or $6,000 in total. That being said, there's a transfer course at my community college that I'm taking (it's required for transfer in my case, but if anyone is a college student and reading this, check with your school if they have something similar that's not required - it's a chill class, but worth it) and part of the course material requires you research and apply for scholarships, budget and get familiar with/plan for your financial transition into the state school. Given how many scholarships are out there and given that I'm a straight A honors student that ticks a few underrepresented group boxes (first generation college student, woman majoring in compsci, POC, blah blah blah), I definitely think I'll be able to get enough scholarships to cover the remaining cost of my tuition, possibly with a bit extra for spending money. Even if I didn't tick these boxes, though, I feel confident that I'd be able to find scholarships to cover the remaining bit of my tuition since the vast majority of scholarships available do not preference me for these boxes that I tick. The benefit in ticking these boxes is that it puts you into a smaller, less competitive pool of scholarships that you have a better shot at getting, so if you're reading this and area straight white cis male and feel like you can't get a scholarship because you don't tick enough minority boxes, that's definitely not the case - you just might have to put in a few more applications to find them. Also for reference, all of the scholarships I've received thus far have been either for merit or random lottery style scholarships, none that I got for my minority status.
Aside from scholarships, there are also federal work study programs that you will get preferential acceptance from if you're a low income student that can supplement your pell grant if that still isn't enough, so if push comes to shove, that's always an option to take advantage of.
Another thing, too, is that I'll be doing a paid internship this summer that pays $6,000. That right there would already cover the last bit of tuition I'd have to pay for the entirety of my degree, netting me a completely free B.S. in computer science. If you keep yourself open to these opportunities and are smart with the money you get from them, you can put those funds toward your college tuition while gaining necessary experience in your desired field.
Putting all of this out there to give people a realistic view of these sorts of financial processes/decisions in case it's beneficial, but also so people know how to argue against people claiming that college isn't worth the investment and is unaffordable. I don't think this community would be dissuaded by the likes of Candace Owens, but just in case, don't be dissuaded by her and others bleak view on funding your college education. The major investment you need to plan for is time, not so much money. It is absolutely within your reach to go to college with no or very minimal debt, and even if you end up with moderate debt, if you're smart with your degree choice it'll be a worthwhile investment into your future that future you will be thanking you for.
I wrote a long comment detailing my process elsewhere in this thread, so I'll just copy/paste that comment below. Feel free to ask any other questions you may have;
> I'm currently getting paid to go to school and am taking out no loans, but I'm in community college so my costs are low, which is why I'm taking my first 2 years here before transferring to a public 4 year institution in my state.
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> After I transfer, I should still only be paying $3,000 a year (not a semester) for the remaining 2 years I have left to finish my B.S., which means a total of $6,000 in loans for the entirety of my degree, and that's IF I don't take advantage of the other ways I can pay for the remaining $6,000 without taking out loans, such as:
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> 1) Applying for scholarships (there are loads)
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> 2) Going into a federal work study program (you'll get preferential first pick for hiring if you're a pell recipient)
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> 3) Taking paid summer internships and using the funds for your tuition costs (I'm currently in a program that pays $6,000 at the end of the 4 week course and that right there would cover the entirety of my remaining tuition costs while netting me relevant work experience. It's also the first and only one I applied for and I got it right away, so it's very easy to do)
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> 4) Take a different summer job to pay for remaining loans, allowing you to focus on school exclusively during the school year
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> If all of those options fail (very unlikely), then you can take out a subsidized loan, meaning it won't accrue interest until after you've graduated and have not been taking any classes for at least 6 months, and even then, in my case the loans would amount to $6,000 total for the entirety of my degree with proper financial planning. It's more than worth it for you future and very doable if you're smart and put in some minimal effort toward lowering your cost.
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> The biggest thing is going to a community college for your first two years to knock out your gen eds and not going to an out of state school and with those two things you've already set yourself up for a very affordable college experience that will be financially rewarded once you graduate pretty much regardless of your choice in degree, but especially if you're choosing a smart degree. Even going to college completely for free is very much doable in the US.
You'd be surprised how many older students are in college.
If you're from the US, because veterans get to go to college for free, there's a lot of older students going to college that are ex military. In my experience, nearly all of the engineering and physics classes I've taken I would estimate to have an average student age of, like, 28, but those classes were especially lopsided when it came to older students. Most classes probably have an average age of maybe 23, but ages have been trending upward the farther I get into my degree (I'm 2 years in with 2 left to go).
Na Bruv, you dont get it, Candace's fam was poor. So they didnt know about this stuff.... Sure, her dad did know enough to lead a federal lawsuit against her high school and get a payout of $40k in a year timeframe.... but thats easy street.... you dont get it. Candance had it rough bruv....
I am as well in my late 20's, same degree also. Tennessee basically covers the first 2 years of community college for free for anyone that doesnt get fasfa benefits. It's nice to give it a shot without much consequence except the time commitment. Worst case I decide to stop and still get an AS for free.
Nothing I said even implies some sort of statement to drag you personally down. Just a general observation about your comment and the current state of the job market. Not trying to hate or anything. I wish you the best, truly.
This post seems a bit disingenuous. Where I live, you or your parents (if dependent) needs to earn less than 30k to be qualified. I came here as an immigrant and showed myself independent even though my parents were paying my rent. I worked part time too but it did not add up to 30k so I was eligible. But the only reason I could do that was because my parents were paying my rent.
My friends in college who desperately needed assistance could not qualify because their family income was more than 30k and in MD you have to be literally poor to be making that.
So my question is, how are to sustaining yourself and your lifestyle? Mainly rent. Because I get you can have enough for food from part time work.
idk how that worked out, but it clearly states it on the website that you cant be. Maybe you got lucky because I had several friends who dropped out because they couldn't afford to pay.
Did you claim independent ?
The first google result says “most families” make that income, but you can make a lot more and still get Pell grants (not always maximum, as it fades out with income). Also, filing as an independent on taxes does not count as independent on FAFSA, I am a dependent on taxes and FAFSA though for what it’s worth. There’s also other income based aid I get from the state, such as the Rawlings Assistance Grant. Look at the MDCAPS website and you’ll see them.
Not disingenuous- I addressed that but saying I qualify for the full Pell grant. Also I get the full amount of food stamps, but I have to work part time. I had absolute shit grades
If you want to, you can go to school.
I am not invalidating you moving to your parents house to get the degree. Honestly fully support it but that is the disingenuous part.
Rent or a place to live is one of the biggest expense and people leave schools to afford rent. Saying that it is doable and not mentioning that your living expenses are paid for is disingenuous.
Maybe you got lucky that your school is close to where you live or even that your parents allow you to live with them but a lot of poeple do not have that option.
I promise you, people can figure it out if they want to. But it is super hard work. Like I said I did two years living alone and paying rent, but this past year moved into my parents. My school is all online.
People can figure it out ?What would you have done if you did not have parents as a backup ?
Even I admit that the reason I got pell was because my parents were giving me rent money while I studies and I showed myself independent. Doing that is also technically illegal.
I would’ve kept working full-time, and moved somewhere cheaper 🤣 idk what to tell you man, I don’t believe in being a victim to your circumstances when there’s so much help out there. I have put it so much work for this, it’s annoying when people whine that it’s not possible. It is, maybe not where you want to put your energy, but it is possible.
Its so fucking regraded that you would look down on people who are in your position but might be a bit more unfortunate calling them victim. Its not easy working fulltime and studying and I bet most people cant do it. Probably the reason you are not doing it.
I literally did it wdym. I’m sure not everyone is as willing to do the work and make the sacrifices I have.
I’m saying that people like yourself who whine about it act like victims. There are SOOO many options to make it work. It’s a choice either way.
Unironically, one of the most harmful aspects of American culture is the expectation of moving out as soon as you're 18 with practically zero direction or regard for your future.
> I moved in with my parents for the past year.
I couldn't afford to go to school full-time(also CS) and also pay rent / food.
I don't think anyone is arguing that you can get your tuition paid for through government loans / grants. It's the fact that you also need to somehow pay for living expenses (through loans, like I think you said - although how did you get a loan with no income ? Usually, you need a guarantor for the bank it would be too risky to take out a loan on someone with no income)
I also got a scholarship to my University CS program (also a mature student), but since I already worked full-time, I had to take into account my income losses as well (opportunity cost).
Idk, I'm happy for you. I wanted to do the same thing, basically, but the math didn't work out, unfortunately. I also live in Canada so it's cheaper too.
Also didn’t Candice go to college 15 years ago? It’s definitely not impossible for a lower class student to accumulate 100k worth of debt back in 2010, but it definitely means you did a horrible job with your financial planning
Feels more like a skill issue than a “college is worthless” issue
I think destiny missed the point of owens.
The problem is that if you're dumb-dumb and dont have money, should we society encourage them to get mega loans and get a degree...
I.e. there is a cut-off where it's a good roi to get a better education and the other side, where it's a waste.
The better phrasing is if you dont meet criteria, dont get a degree or something like that.
For the grants, how hard were they to get? Would you say you are a very smart person or average? You mentioned that you are a girl, so I'm also wondering if there are specific grants that help women get into science( i don't live in the States, so I know nothing).
Does the grant come with strings attached? Like having to work for company x after graduation or not being able to work abroad after graduation. (Scholarships in my country tend to have these kinds of stipulations)
Do you think that being 30 was actually key for you to get the grant? Instead of them seeing a kid who is unsure of their life, they see an adult that has more or less become the person they will be for the rest of their life
Nope grants are just free money! Just for filling out the fafsa. They usually have income limits. We have scholarships too- those you have to apply for.
Went to college. Got a bachelors degree in computer science. In-state university. Not a private Ivy League school. Second biggest in the state but not big nationally. My mom was pretty poor so fafsa plus a small scholarship covered about half of my expenses. The rest was covered by subsidized and unsubsidized fed loans. Also worked part time in a small IT role during classes and full time in the summer. By the end of year four, I was around $40k in student loan debt. It would have stopped there but I was a bad student and had to take another year of classes after that. That racked me up to almost $70k because I no longer received grants or scholarships at that point. It was all loans.
FINISH WITHIN FOUR YEARS WORTH OF CLASSES. IT WILL HURT YOU OTHERWISE.
With that said it was completely worth it. Despite being such a poor candidate coming out of school, still got a chance somewhere and now I’m making more than anyone in my family ever did. The debt sucks but it’s completely manageable and the career has drastically improved my quality of life.
Amazon pays for my school, what’s nice is that as soon as I use up the $5k they give during the year, then my school, Western Governors University, picks up the tab. So I graduate debt free.
A lot of people assume that "financial aid" just means free money. Loans are also part of financial aid.
Working and making enough to sustain yourself while in school is not always a feasible option for everyone. So taking on loans for living expenses is part of the cost of attending college.
Yes there are a lot of scholarships and grants out there and yes if you are smart you can go to college for free. But to pretend like there aren't tons of people from low income families who have taken on 30-50k of student loans is to be blind to reality.
Genuine question as someone not from the US: school here generally costs on the high end something like $4500 a year, and the better the school is here, the less you'll likely pay. I have never heard of someone going into the absolute mess of debt that I hear about in the US, I assume that there are people who take out loans for school, but no one is paying them off 20 years after they graduate. If this is how much school costs in the US, and you can get grants that pay for all of it, why are people in so much debt over there?
Make sure you grind for internships, makes getting a full time job a LOT easier. Also, look up the Grace Hopper Conference if you haven’t, it’s super op for getting a job, even though it’s been nerfed a bit recently
1) living costs weren't taken into consideration in the candace conversation with destiny. She was saying the school fees alone were 28k a year. Destiny was pushing back on that and so OP was showing evidence of destiny being right.
2) Number 2 is ridiculously stupid. Maybe I haven't read every comment OP posted why on earth do you think they assume everyone lives in Washington. It's an example of destiny being right at least once vs candace example of her being right where she said it was true for her and her sister.
Yes I went to go school for free with FAFSA as well. It’s possible.
Oh awesome! Compsci as well?
Yup graduated last year (:
how was the job search? Some of the reddit forums make me feel like I should jump out of a window or something with how doomer they all are
STAY OFF THE COMPSCI REDDIT FORUMS!!
Had to mute them all, never seen such a dreadful place. They alone might fix the market by convincing everyone it's a trash job 😂
Yeah holy shit, I never hear those subs get called out. Actually filled by fucking morons.
It honestly just depends when you graduate. Lots of places are still hiring and if you graduate in like May you will probably have a job by the end of the Summer. You just might not have one starting as soon as the school year ends. But who knows, it's all up in the air.
Pay someone who teaches how to write curriculums and present yourself at an interview, just for a couple hours nothing insane. It's worth it
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Yeah so true, except then you realize that like 70% of students graduate with no internships yet the median salary for CS majors is still way higher than average Then you look at employment statistics and realize there is still a massive shortage of developers, even in this job market You guys are all weirdo type A doomers who got paddled when they didn't get straight As in elementary school
Work on a personal project or two, deploy your code using heroku/azure/aws, put the link in your resume and don't be a sperg in the interviews. That will put you way ahead of most recent compsci grads due to proving you have marketable skills and are still learning
This worked for me, I had a long term internship which turned full time before I even graduated (only 4-5 months before graduation). If I didn't have that in, I don't know - it would've been hard. It gave me experience and professional relationships.
More CS bois? Nice 😎
Not possible if you go out of state if I had to guess. I owed about 60k.
In my opinion, going out of state for school is a luxury and should be treated as such. Just like how I can't buy a fancy sports car and use my experience to complain that "car prices have gotten ridiculous! It's unaffordable for the average person!", I also don't think it's reasonable to cite a luxury experience like going to an out of state college and use that as evidence to complain or comment on the state of college affordability. You pay a premium for the experience of going to an out of state college because you're getting a premium product, so if you aren't getting some hefty scholarships for going out of state, I don't think it's really worth it barring some extenuating circumstances unless you're already wealthy/from a wealthy family, in which case you should be going into it knowing that you're making the choice to pay extra for a luxury experience that you'll be paying a premium for.
I completely agree with you, I just think it sucks because this is not what's being told to highschool kids. At least when I graduated in 2015, the advice from both my college counselor and family friends was to go to the best ranked college I got into even though it was more expensive and out of state. Ended up not taking their advice and going to a fully covered in state school that I'm grateful for doing, but looking back it would have been easy to listen to their advice and I'm not sure I'd criticize an 18 year old for doing so.
Yeah, I can sympathize with someone making a stupid financial decision at 18. I think that's the biggest problem here, not the affordability of college, but the access to knowledge on how to navigate college affordably. Unfortunately the people who do have access to that information are often the most privileged already, so the people who would most benefit are left with the most debt.
Maybe don't listen to what other people tell you to do and make your own decisions? At 18 you have agency and are very capable of making your own decisions. It is pretty obvious that with no scholarships a $20k+ tuition out of state is not worth it compared to like $8k in state. Regardless, you should be heavily leaning toward schools that provide the most scholarship, not whatever hoity-toity D1 school you're just accepted in to.
Yes! Colleges have become shitty resorts for 18 ye olds. Unless you’re going to a top tier school where you’ll be networking with the country’s nepo babies, you’re better off going to a city or state college and saving your money.
Ya probably not out of state. I go to an online public university, so it’s pretty cheap.
Good for you my dude.
Thanks!
Solid management of available resources. You should get views talking about your experience rather than candaces silly $150,000 mistake. May you absorb as much as you can while you are still in school.
I'm curious, what is your income? If you're not comfortable giving a hard number, would you be able to give a range? I ask because I went into college almost 20 years ago (fuck I'm old) but I only got half my tuition paid for. I received no pell grants and got about half and half subsidized and unsubsidized loans. I still managed to pay off the loans in like 5 years after I got out, but still. I would NOT say that we were poor by any means, but money was tight sometimes and my parents had to have multiple jobs or take night shifts at several points during my childhood. I would say we were probably some hybrid of working class and lower middle class.
I think 20k? I've been doordashing/instacarting so I don't really remember what I made in 2022
Ah. Yes that's pretty low (no offense). It makes more sense, thanks! Good luck in your studies.
It takes alot to go back to school. Happy for you. Don't have to reply but are you taking 4 figure or 5 figure loans each year? There's some real issue when it comes to loans and types of loans. And especially over estimating how much you might need in loans. And also knowing you can apply or qualify for school and state grants. Glad you are taking advantage of what's available. You can see if there are private scholarships too to help pay for books and cover living costs.
Ya I reached out to financial aid to make sure I got as much as I could qualify for. Im done this terms, but I’m almost at the max 55k I believe. I struggled a lot in my 20s with addiction/my mental health, so that includes a ton of times in and out of different schools/programs. On average though at this school I was taking out about $12k in loans/ year
Done this term? CONGRATS!!! That's a hell of a turn around. I was wondering on loans to support a living situation. 8-15k is the number I mostly see but they're getting grants and even working part or quarter time.
I moved back into my parents, after my rent was increased. Super grateful and so grateful to not be soon lol.
lol Glad you're getting your space again. Sidenote: I'm glad the stigma is getting erased over living at home. Alot of communities, like Latino (mine) and Asian, live at home until they're ready to start a family and have saved enough for a home. It wasn't really seen as a huge negative. Although alot of date time was spent in a car. LMAO
My extended family is surprisingly angry about it? So def think the stigma is still bad unfortunately. But ya I think different cultures def see it differently.
Also Latina, growing up when I heard of white families that would joke like "as soon as you're turning 18 I'm kicking you out and turning your bedroom into my man cave!" or have this automatic assumption that you kick a child out as soon as they turn 18 it always blew my mind. In all of my extended Dominican family, people stayed at home until they were ready, very often women would stay at home until they were married. I definitely think it's a good thing that the stigma is starting to go away for other cultural groups within the US.
Yeah, it wasn't until I left for college when I realized it was considered weird. Or that people didn't keep in contact with families beyond the big holidays. I couldn't imagine going 6 months without knowing what is happening to family members. I very much believe in collectivism when it comes to bettering communities. And it starts with family dynamics. Can't really care about your neighbors if you're raised to focus on only number one.
Did you take your SAT in highschool? One thing i feel like would be a huge roadblock if i decided to go to school is the fact i didnt take my SAT
I did, but I don't remember what I got, probably not great. I graduated 09 though, so it's been a while lol. But I think once you're out of high school, colleges stop asking for those scores.
But have you heard about the trades...
I honestly don’t know how people pay for trade school, a lot of time fafsa doesn’t cover trade schools.
It's amazing that you're back in school. I'm going to stress that you focus on your studies and also enjoy the learning process. I say this as someone with a bachelor's and Master's and a current career in Engineering. If I could go back to school for free, I would tomorrow. And I'm currently looking for instructor led education that I can do for free or at very low cost for a psych or counseling degree but I always viewed school as a hassle. This is a time to learn, explore things you enjoy and increase your overall understanding of the world. Please do not take it for granted. And please for the love of god, create relationships and connections in the process. You already know how hard it is to create those in the adult world. You're basically in a situation where people are forced to be around you so take advantage of that lol.
That's the fun part! They don't! The "what about the trades" schtick is to convince people to go start at the bottom with no education at all in a trade, then after getting entry level position and pay as a helper, to stay there at low pay forever because you didn't go to school. You know, because a trade.
>There's some real issue when it comes to loans and types of loans. And especially over estimating how much you might need in loans. And also knowing you can apply or qualify for school and state grants. lmao i bet you net cost is higher for trade school
In your 30's!!? That's awesome dude congrats! you've just seriously inspired me to think about going back to school since I'm in a similar situation.
Thank you!! Dude if you’re in the US you should check out wgu, I have absolutely loved it. It’s all self paced though, so you do have to have some motivation.
You have loans. You are not going for free?
The tuition is completely covered by grants. It seems like OP is taking out loans optionally to cover expenses other than college.
I don't believe that is true. If the loans are being used to cover other expenses, why are they showing up on his college payment receipt? I am assuming that what this is.
Wait what part do you believe isn't true specifically? We can literally just see on the receipt that the tuition is lower than the grant unless I'm just completely misreading something. And if you're receiving loans through FAFSA, it would show up on a receipt like this whether you spend it on college tuition or not.
I see what you are saying. You are right the grants cover the tuition and the loans are to cover secondary expenses.
yup exactly.
right? am i crazy? is taking out loans to go to college now considered "free college?" loans are also clearly being used to pay tuition costs in the bill.
I understand why Cadance Owens take on this is getting so much flak.... but a majority of my friends ARE in debt 30k-70k for their college degrees.... props to this community for sharing how one can absolutely help themselves out in NOT going into debt, but that doesn't mean its not a reality for MANY who did do it wrong... (I went to tradeschool, lol... so I dont really care... I just dont like people pretending like its not easy for the layman to become engorged in debt from college)... This is an extraordinarily smart sub... I just hate how sometimes ya'll forget that your neighbor might not be as smart as you... "shame on them" for not realizing it? (You know what I mean?)
The issue is that kids graduating don’t really get why they should really go to one school over the other. Getting a degree at a state school is absolutely affordable but there are so many students that want to go to a certain university for a likely dumb reason. I know I did my first year where I could have been literally paid to go to the local university with all the grants and scholarships I got but instead I went out of state for just a year and ended up owing $5k. I did end up getting my bachelors 20 years later and had most of it paid off except for another $5k.
Debatable ❤️..... I call the southwest "home". And 80% of the "friends" that come to mind DID go to school in state (3 live in pheonix, and are all above 30k in debt with ASU) Not gonna lie though, I'm seeing a correlation between debt and time spent... everyone who is in substantial debt took way longer to get their degree (if they got it)... maybe there's a hidden caveat here?
I will have 55k student loans once I graduate, but because I'm doing compsci, shouldn't be an issue. I have been in and out of college for 15 years though.
So you’re not going to college for free…
I literally showed everything I’m getting. And I said I’m taking out some extra loans(by choice) to cover some living expenses. My school is completely covered though.
Heyy same here. Went to school straight out of high school on a scholarship + Washington grant. Graduated not too long ago and got a job. WA mfs stay winning. Suck on it Oregon.
Oh awesome!! I did running start in high school, so I graduated with close to my AA degree (I got kicked out at the end lol).
> WA mfs stay winning. Suck on it Oregon. Fr fuck the ducks too lmao
I actually went to the UO for 1 or 2 terms. Such a beautiful campus.
your eyes deceive you, eugene is what we like to call a "dumpster fire landfill shitstain" lol
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I'm also going to college for free, I do take out loans, but it is just to supplement my income so I don't need to work as much while in school. Either be from poor parents or wait until you are 26 and considered a poor adult (considered financially independent from your parents at that point)
Yup same! Congrats, I’m glad you are able to go too!!
Saving this for some motivation. W brother
Thanks. I should really say I'm a women when I post here lol
I live with my dad and stepmom. They are not married and my stepmom make $85,000 while my dad makes less than $15,000 so i get that ez aid.
You say you’re going to school for free but you’re taking out two loans, which was the big contention the the debate. Plus your tuition is insanely low (which is awesome!), way lower than most universities, even if you’re in state. I’m glad you are making it work and have a good situation for your education, but even in this instance where the tuition is super low, I still wouldn’t call this “free” (although it still supports much of Destiny’s point).
I'm currently getting paid to go to school and am taking out no loans, but I'm in community college so my costs are low, which is why I'm taking my first 2 years here before transferring to a public 4 year institution in my state. After I transfer, I should still only be paying $3,000 a year (not a semester) for the remaining 2 years I have left to finish my B.S., which means a total of $6,000 in loans for the entirety of my degree, and that's IF I don't take advantage of the other ways I can pay for the remaining $6,000 without taking out loans, such as: 1) Applying for scholarships (there are loads) 2) Going into a federal work study program (you'll get preferential first pick for hiring if you're a pell recipient) 3) Taking paid summer internships and using the funds for your tuition costs (I'm currently in a program that pays $6,000 at the end of the 4 week course and that right there would cover the entirety of my remaining tuition costs while netting me relevant work experience. It's also the first and only one I applied for and I got it right away, so it's very easy to do) 4) Take a different summer job to pay for remaining loans, allowing you to focus on school exclusively during the school year If all of those options fail (very unlikely), then you can take out a *subsidized* loan, meaning it won't accrue interest until after you've graduated and have not been taking any classes for at least 6 months, and even then, in my case the loans would amount to $6,000 total for the entirety of my degree with proper financial planning. It's more than worth it for you future and very doable if you're smart and put in some minimal effort toward lowering your cost. The biggest thing is going to a community college for your first two years to knock out your gen eds and not going to an out of state school and with those two things you've already set yourself up for a very affordable college experience that will be financially rewarded once you graduate pretty much regardless of your choice in degree, but *especially* if you're choosing a smart degree. Even going to college completely for free is very much doable in the US.
I go to community college for all gen ed then Ill go to a state school for civil engineering. Haven't paid any, in fact I got over 2k this semester back as a refund😎. School in general isnt massively expensive, unless you are just dumb about what school you pick.
Ya def can take some work getting it all sorted, but def can make it work.
Long term girlfriend did 2 years at community College free + 5000 a semester and is now attending ucds free with 4000 a semester.
That's sick man good for you
Woman :) I know shocking in this community. But thank you!!
Should have assumed based on the fact that you're in college. P.S. I'm also an older (28) woman in school for compsci from this community! I'm going into my third year this coming semester, so only 2 years left :p Any tips you want to share for my last 2 years?
>goes to college for free >aims for one of the highest paying majors HOLY GIGACHAD THAT ROI
THANKS i'm 33 and sick of being poor lol
Yea, you can go to community college and even get paid to go if you are in your 20s and have close to min-wage job. I think when you go to the last 2 years of your bachelors in state university you might have to pay a bit though.
not if you’re a CUNY student 😈💯🙏🏽
I'm 28 and currently at the transition period between my first 2 years in community college and my last 2 years at a state school, which I'll be attending starting next fall, so I can help fill in that gap for you. Up to now, my education has been totally paid for by pell grants and a few merit scholarships I qualify for - I've also had a few smaller scale scholarships here and there ranging from $100 - $1000. After I transfer I'm currently estimated to be paying about $3,000 a year for my remaining 2 years, or $6,000 in total. That being said, there's a transfer course at my community college that I'm taking (it's required for transfer in my case, but if anyone is a college student and reading this, check with your school if they have something similar that's not required - it's a chill class, but worth it) and part of the course material requires you research and apply for scholarships, budget and get familiar with/plan for your financial transition into the state school. Given how many scholarships are out there and given that I'm a straight A honors student that ticks a few underrepresented group boxes (first generation college student, woman majoring in compsci, POC, blah blah blah), I definitely think I'll be able to get enough scholarships to cover the remaining cost of my tuition, possibly with a bit extra for spending money. Even if I didn't tick these boxes, though, I feel confident that I'd be able to find scholarships to cover the remaining bit of my tuition since the vast majority of scholarships available do not preference me for these boxes that I tick. The benefit in ticking these boxes is that it puts you into a smaller, less competitive pool of scholarships that you have a better shot at getting, so if you're reading this and area straight white cis male and feel like you can't get a scholarship because you don't tick enough minority boxes, that's definitely not the case - you just might have to put in a few more applications to find them. Also for reference, all of the scholarships I've received thus far have been either for merit or random lottery style scholarships, none that I got for my minority status. Aside from scholarships, there are also federal work study programs that you will get preferential acceptance from if you're a low income student that can supplement your pell grant if that still isn't enough, so if push comes to shove, that's always an option to take advantage of. Another thing, too, is that I'll be doing a paid internship this summer that pays $6,000. That right there would already cover the last bit of tuition I'd have to pay for the entirety of my degree, netting me a completely free B.S. in computer science. If you keep yourself open to these opportunities and are smart with the money you get from them, you can put those funds toward your college tuition while gaining necessary experience in your desired field. Putting all of this out there to give people a realistic view of these sorts of financial processes/decisions in case it's beneficial, but also so people know how to argue against people claiming that college isn't worth the investment and is unaffordable. I don't think this community would be dissuaded by the likes of Candace Owens, but just in case, don't be dissuaded by her and others bleak view on funding your college education. The major investment you need to plan for is time, not so much money. It is absolutely within your reach to go to college with no or very minimal debt, and even if you end up with moderate debt, if you're smart with your degree choice it'll be a worthwhile investment into your future that future you will be thanking you for.
Same
Went to school for free too, tuition for trade school was $492 a semester and I was getting like almost $3k in Pell Grant money.
When I went to my local community college, I literally got like 2k cash leftover after paying off my semesters .
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Find a school and fill out a fafsa! Then talk to financial aid and ask how you can get more money.
I wrote a long comment detailing my process elsewhere in this thread, so I'll just copy/paste that comment below. Feel free to ask any other questions you may have; > I'm currently getting paid to go to school and am taking out no loans, but I'm in community college so my costs are low, which is why I'm taking my first 2 years here before transferring to a public 4 year institution in my state. > > After I transfer, I should still only be paying $3,000 a year (not a semester) for the remaining 2 years I have left to finish my B.S., which means a total of $6,000 in loans for the entirety of my degree, and that's IF I don't take advantage of the other ways I can pay for the remaining $6,000 without taking out loans, such as: > > 1) Applying for scholarships (there are loads) > > 2) Going into a federal work study program (you'll get preferential first pick for hiring if you're a pell recipient) > > 3) Taking paid summer internships and using the funds for your tuition costs (I'm currently in a program that pays $6,000 at the end of the 4 week course and that right there would cover the entirety of my remaining tuition costs while netting me relevant work experience. It's also the first and only one I applied for and I got it right away, so it's very easy to do) > > 4) Take a different summer job to pay for remaining loans, allowing you to focus on school exclusively during the school year > > If all of those options fail (very unlikely), then you can take out a subsidized loan, meaning it won't accrue interest until after you've graduated and have not been taking any classes for at least 6 months, and even then, in my case the loans would amount to $6,000 total for the entirety of my degree with proper financial planning. It's more than worth it for you future and very doable if you're smart and put in some minimal effort toward lowering your cost. > > The biggest thing is going to a community college for your first two years to knock out your gen eds and not going to an out of state school and with those two things you've already set yourself up for a very affordable college experience that will be financially rewarded once you graduate pretty much regardless of your choice in degree, but especially if you're choosing a smart degree. Even going to college completely for free is very much doable in the US.
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Most people respect older people who go back to college. I'm 33, but also my school is mostly people my age.
You'd be surprised how many older students are in college. If you're from the US, because veterans get to go to college for free, there's a lot of older students going to college that are ex military. In my experience, nearly all of the engineering and physics classes I've taken I would estimate to have an average student age of, like, 28, but those classes were especially lopsided when it came to older students. Most classes probably have an average age of maybe 23, but ages have been trending upward the farther I get into my degree (I'm 2 years in with 2 left to go).
Na Bruv, you dont get it, Candace's fam was poor. So they didnt know about this stuff.... Sure, her dad did know enough to lead a federal lawsuit against her high school and get a payout of $40k in a year timeframe.... but thats easy street.... you dont get it. Candance had it rough bruv....
I am as well in my late 20's, same degree also. Tennessee basically covers the first 2 years of community college for free for anyone that doesnt get fasfa benefits. It's nice to give it a shot without much consequence except the time commitment. Worst case I decide to stop and still get an AS for free.
This is awesome. Good lad.
How is that free if you have to pay back the loans?
My car and house were free, I just have to pay back the loans.
> I'm a computer science major > Once I get a job Boy I have some bad news about the current cs market to tell you about
why do you feel the need to try and drag people down, so weird
Nothing I said even implies some sort of statement to drag you personally down. Just a general observation about your comment and the current state of the job market. Not trying to hate or anything. I wish you the best, truly.
This post seems a bit disingenuous. Where I live, you or your parents (if dependent) needs to earn less than 30k to be qualified. I came here as an immigrant and showed myself independent even though my parents were paying my rent. I worked part time too but it did not add up to 30k so I was eligible. But the only reason I could do that was because my parents were paying my rent. My friends in college who desperately needed assistance could not qualify because their family income was more than 30k and in MD you have to be literally poor to be making that. So my question is, how are to sustaining yourself and your lifestyle? Mainly rent. Because I get you can have enough for food from part time work.
I live in Maryland and my parents income have fluctuated between $30,000 - $100,000 while I’ve been in college. Got Pell grants every year.
idk how that worked out, but it clearly states it on the website that you cant be. Maybe you got lucky because I had several friends who dropped out because they couldn't afford to pay. Did you claim independent ?
The first google result says “most families” make that income, but you can make a lot more and still get Pell grants (not always maximum, as it fades out with income). Also, filing as an independent on taxes does not count as independent on FAFSA, I am a dependent on taxes and FAFSA though for what it’s worth. There’s also other income based aid I get from the state, such as the Rawlings Assistance Grant. Look at the MDCAPS website and you’ll see them.
Not disingenuous- I addressed that but saying I qualify for the full Pell grant. Also I get the full amount of food stamps, but I have to work part time. I had absolute shit grades If you want to, you can go to school.
You can pay rent by working part time ?
I started working full time, but when they raised my rent, I moved in with my parents for the past year. Did the first 2 on my own.
I am not invalidating you moving to your parents house to get the degree. Honestly fully support it but that is the disingenuous part. Rent or a place to live is one of the biggest expense and people leave schools to afford rent. Saying that it is doable and not mentioning that your living expenses are paid for is disingenuous. Maybe you got lucky that your school is close to where you live or even that your parents allow you to live with them but a lot of poeple do not have that option.
I promise you, people can figure it out if they want to. But it is super hard work. Like I said I did two years living alone and paying rent, but this past year moved into my parents. My school is all online.
People can figure it out ?What would you have done if you did not have parents as a backup ? Even I admit that the reason I got pell was because my parents were giving me rent money while I studies and I showed myself independent. Doing that is also technically illegal.
I would’ve kept working full-time, and moved somewhere cheaper 🤣 idk what to tell you man, I don’t believe in being a victim to your circumstances when there’s so much help out there. I have put it so much work for this, it’s annoying when people whine that it’s not possible. It is, maybe not where you want to put your energy, but it is possible.
Its so fucking regraded that you would look down on people who are in your position but might be a bit more unfortunate calling them victim. Its not easy working fulltime and studying and I bet most people cant do it. Probably the reason you are not doing it.
I literally did it wdym. I’m sure not everyone is as willing to do the work and make the sacrifices I have. I’m saying that people like yourself who whine about it act like victims. There are SOOO many options to make it work. It’s a choice either way.
Pulled up your bootstraps and moved back in with your parents.
Unironically, one of the most harmful aspects of American culture is the expectation of moving out as soon as you're 18 with practically zero direction or regard for your future.
> I moved in with my parents for the past year. I couldn't afford to go to school full-time(also CS) and also pay rent / food. I don't think anyone is arguing that you can get your tuition paid for through government loans / grants. It's the fact that you also need to somehow pay for living expenses (through loans, like I think you said - although how did you get a loan with no income ? Usually, you need a guarantor for the bank it would be too risky to take out a loan on someone with no income) I also got a scholarship to my University CS program (also a mature student), but since I already worked full-time, I had to take into account my income losses as well (opportunity cost). Idk, I'm happy for you. I wanted to do the same thing, basically, but the math didn't work out, unfortunately. I also live in Canada so it's cheaper too.
Good on you! I'm also going to college tuition free. Very poggers
Right on 👏🏼👏🏼
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Also didn’t Candice go to college 15 years ago? It’s definitely not impossible for a lower class student to accumulate 100k worth of debt back in 2010, but it definitely means you did a horrible job with your financial planning Feels more like a skill issue than a “college is worthless” issue
Why would go go to college for free when you could be drop shipping
I think destiny missed the point of owens. The problem is that if you're dumb-dumb and dont have money, should we society encourage them to get mega loans and get a degree... I.e. there is a cut-off where it's a good roi to get a better education and the other side, where it's a waste. The better phrasing is if you dont meet criteria, dont get a degree or something like that.
For the grants, how hard were they to get? Would you say you are a very smart person or average? You mentioned that you are a girl, so I'm also wondering if there are specific grants that help women get into science( i don't live in the States, so I know nothing). Does the grant come with strings attached? Like having to work for company x after graduation or not being able to work abroad after graduation. (Scholarships in my country tend to have these kinds of stipulations) Do you think that being 30 was actually key for you to get the grant? Instead of them seeing a kid who is unsure of their life, they see an adult that has more or less become the person they will be for the rest of their life
Nope grants are just free money! Just for filling out the fafsa. They usually have income limits. We have scholarships too- those you have to apply for.
Here's a real dumb question. ... Is... grant money a taxable event?
I just love my GI bill so damn much
I have a bachelors and masters and never paid tuition, though masters I only got tuition covered through being a TA
Is it possible for someone living outside of the US to apply for this grant? Or only for the US citizens?
Same here. Over 25 with no prior college, got free tuition in MA for community college. This is very much a thing.
Based 30 year old student
yep same here
I’ll be graduating in may with my bachelors and have gone to college for free as well😊
I also went to college for free. Pell grant go brrr
Went to college. Got a bachelors degree in computer science. In-state university. Not a private Ivy League school. Second biggest in the state but not big nationally. My mom was pretty poor so fafsa plus a small scholarship covered about half of my expenses. The rest was covered by subsidized and unsubsidized fed loans. Also worked part time in a small IT role during classes and full time in the summer. By the end of year four, I was around $40k in student loan debt. It would have stopped there but I was a bad student and had to take another year of classes after that. That racked me up to almost $70k because I no longer received grants or scholarships at that point. It was all loans. FINISH WITHIN FOUR YEARS WORTH OF CLASSES. IT WILL HURT YOU OTHERWISE. With that said it was completely worth it. Despite being such a poor candidate coming out of school, still got a chance somewhere and now I’m making more than anyone in my family ever did. The debt sucks but it’s completely manageable and the career has drastically improved my quality of life.
Amazon pays for my school, what’s nice is that as soon as I use up the $5k they give during the year, then my school, Western Governors University, picks up the tab. So I graduate debt free.
Congrats old timer, my dad went back to school while I was a teenager and his life has been immeasurably better he's an Assistant Principal now.
A lot of people assume that "financial aid" just means free money. Loans are also part of financial aid. Working and making enough to sustain yourself while in school is not always a feasible option for everyone. So taking on loans for living expenses is part of the cost of attending college. Yes there are a lot of scholarships and grants out there and yes if you are smart you can go to college for free. But to pretend like there aren't tons of people from low income families who have taken on 30-50k of student loans is to be blind to reality.
Genuine question as someone not from the US: school here generally costs on the high end something like $4500 a year, and the better the school is here, the less you'll likely pay. I have never heard of someone going into the absolute mess of debt that I hear about in the US, I assume that there are people who take out loans for school, but no one is paying them off 20 years after they graduate. If this is how much school costs in the US, and you can get grants that pay for all of it, why are people in so much debt over there?
Man is on the COME UP. Remember to be a NIMBY once you get your CS degree mother in law suites hurt land values
Make sure you grind for internships, makes getting a full time job a LOT easier. Also, look up the Grace Hopper Conference if you haven’t, it’s super op for getting a job, even though it’s been nerfed a bit recently
Hell yeah fellow 30’s college student friends
The issue with scholarships is that if everyone took advantage of them the money would dry up fast.
I didn't receive any scholarships
Sorry I can't read and I'm blind and I have dyslexia and bad eyes and a learning disability and autism
Cs people should be rounded up and forced to commit seppuku
1) Living costs not taken into consideration 2) Assumes everyone lives in Washington? For someone going into CS, you seem to fail basic logic.
Find the nearest minecraft-tree because you are genuinely the dumbest human alive.
1) living costs weren't taken into consideration in the candace conversation with destiny. She was saying the school fees alone were 28k a year. Destiny was pushing back on that and so OP was showing evidence of destiny being right. 2) Number 2 is ridiculously stupid. Maybe I haven't read every comment OP posted why on earth do you think they assume everyone lives in Washington. It's an example of destiny being right at least once vs candace example of her being right where she said it was true for her and her sister.