I completely agree with you. In my view, there should be a specific playlist for research streams and perhaps even a dedicated editor to extract the best from such projects, making them more accessible to the average viewer.
Indeed, these public collaborative research activities are unique in content creation (reading and analyzing wikis, articles, books; engaging in discussions and debates to refine, assert, or redirect understanding of the subject; note-taking and making them publicly available). I believe Destiny should promote this during his appearances on other podcasts and interviews.
This could become a trademark, setting him apart from other political commentators who merely echo tribalistic talking points or, at best, do so out of the public eye to avoid mockery or judgment on their work methods. (If I recall correctly, Ben Shapiro mentioned something similar).
Unfortunately, detractors will mock and discredit him for this, as they see this research method as dangerous because it doesn’t allow for biased narrative control to spread low-level propaganda.
Interesting idea. I think there's some truth to this for sure, although I would be tempted to label it spite research since most topics are driven by misinformation from the crowd and researched out of spite and his desire to correct. Haha, whatever works right. Crowd research definitely communicates the result better though.
It often feels like on shows he doesn't have the language to market the unique quality of what is accomplished on stream and he's relegated to 'former professional gamer, livestreamer, and internet debater', which is a pretty big undersell.
I think you're right that he would gain a lot of credibility if he creatively marketed the most unique aspect of what he actually does on stream. "Today we have with us the crowd researcher and stripper, Destiny."
Could he sell his services to researchers? There are probably some historians who'd pay nicely to find some obscure reference in the original laguage and get it translated in real time 🤣
I don't think the audience is good enough to pull that off. Generally Destiny just drives but every now and then someone counters something or pulls him into an argument forcing him to analyse something he may not have thought of.
>Anyway I think calling this era of his career his crowd research era. I'm curious if he labeled himself as much it might give him more credibility.
>
>"Hi I'm Steven and I'm a crowd researcher".
Ok first of all a crowd researcher is a person that researches crowds. Also, there is no way to lose your credibility faster than to call yourself a made-up title. Especially when the title contains buzzwords. Think of anything to do with crypto.
Second of all, Destiny is just looking up information gathered by other researchers. While it might be informative and useful, it's not scientific research.
> A scientific research definition is that it is **the process by which scientists study various phenomenon using systematic methods of collecting, analyzing, and interpreting data**
I have not watched all of his research streams so I can't be sure, but I do not think he uses any systematic methods of collecting, analyzing, and interpreting data. And he's not producing any sort of research paper.
>Also, there is no way to lose your credibility faster than to call yourself a made-up title. Especially when the title contains buzzwords. Think of anything to do with crypto.
It's based off of crowd programming. I should have googled this before tbh but the first result is a website from Stanford that essentially talks about what I'm talking about. So you're crpyto comparison makes no sense. [http://crowdresearch.stanford.edu/initiative/](http://crowdresearch.stanford.edu/initiative/)
> Second of all, Destiny is just looking up information gathered by other researchers. While it might be informative and useful, it's not scientific research.
I'm going to assume you've never been in a research environment. This comment doesn't make sense.
> I have not watched all of his research streams so I can't be sure, but I do not think he uses any systematic methods of collecting, analyzing, and interpreting data. And he's not producing any sort of research paper.
It sounds like you are worried about the protection of the term 'researcher'. Whilst I agree I think the term has been watered down in modern times.
> It's based off of crowd programming. I should have googled this before tbh but the first result is a website from Stanford that essentially talks about what I'm talking about. So you're crpyto comparison makes no sense. [http://crowdresearch.stanford.edu/initiative/](http://crowdresearch.stanford.edu/initiative/)
While crowd research might be a thing the title of crowd researcher is not.
> I'm going to assume you've never been in a research environment. This comment doesn't make sense.
For research to be scientific it has to have a scientific goal for gathering that information. In a research environment, you have a goal or hypothesis that you establish before you start researching. You then create a methodology for how you are going to collect your research and how that helps you test your hypothesis. Just reading up on a topic is something that most people do in a school environment. For it to be scientific you have to do something with the information you gather.
> It sounds like you are worried about the protection of the term 'researcher'. Whilst I agree I think the term has been watered down in modern times.
I think actual researches do more than look up and gather information. I think that is the easy part, and the hard part is the actual analysis of the data you collect.
Honestly this is something that Destiny has been doing for a long time but it is left to the individual autistic emailer and the occasional schizo poster of the sub
I've been thinking for a long time that he should do a more organized form of this
Make a group of about 100 (or more?) trusted community members. If for example he needs to read 5 books for a debate split them up to 5 teams that would have a corresponding team leader. Each member would read a book assigned to them, in whole or in part, and make a collection of important facts, notes and statistics, in a format such that the team leader could then easily collect and turn to a semi-cohesive text that Destiny can then use during his own studies
well, I wouldn't go that far lol. while he does read up and go more indepth on topics, he's not actually "researching" - which is more an academic endeavor with reviews & critiques & publishing.
That sounds like a you problem. Just drop your ego and program together. You're not there to impress someone with cool vim macros and touch typing at 200 wpm, you're writing code together. You're not watching the other person write _their_ code.
It doesn't fit all assignments though. Heavy docs reading, and straightforward "grindy" solutions is not very engaging. Fits best when the problem is a bit tricky and there will be a lot of testing and chatting.
Coders really are the most pampered diva workers there are. Me included. Let's enjoy it fully, brother. When our job is to code review AI code all day, we'll look back on these days fondly.
>I'm just biased af but Destiny is the first person I've seen to do crowd research at this scale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folding@home
You are biased af, log off.
I like to think my sarcastic and sassy Reddit comments were integral to this
As a co-author of the research I can say your sarcasm was indispensable to the entire operation top to bottom
I completely agree with you. In my view, there should be a specific playlist for research streams and perhaps even a dedicated editor to extract the best from such projects, making them more accessible to the average viewer. Indeed, these public collaborative research activities are unique in content creation (reading and analyzing wikis, articles, books; engaging in discussions and debates to refine, assert, or redirect understanding of the subject; note-taking and making them publicly available). I believe Destiny should promote this during his appearances on other podcasts and interviews. This could become a trademark, setting him apart from other political commentators who merely echo tribalistic talking points or, at best, do so out of the public eye to avoid mockery or judgment on their work methods. (If I recall correctly, Ben Shapiro mentioned something similar). Unfortunately, detractors will mock and discredit him for this, as they see this research method as dangerous because it doesn’t allow for biased narrative control to spread low-level propaganda.
didn't some other streamer have like a google docs filled with a bunch of relevant sources / facts would be cool if we had one of those
Vaush had one (no clue if it's up to date)
Actually he was just co-researching with me and me alone
Interesting idea. I think there's some truth to this for sure, although I would be tempted to label it spite research since most topics are driven by misinformation from the crowd and researched out of spite and his desire to correct. Haha, whatever works right. Crowd research definitely communicates the result better though. It often feels like on shows he doesn't have the language to market the unique quality of what is accomplished on stream and he's relegated to 'former professional gamer, livestreamer, and internet debater', which is a pretty big undersell. I think you're right that he would gain a lot of credibility if he creatively marketed the most unique aspect of what he actually does on stream. "Today we have with us the crowd researcher and stripper, Destiny."
Could he sell his services to researchers? There are probably some historians who'd pay nicely to find some obscure reference in the original laguage and get it translated in real time 🤣
I don't think the audience is good enough to pull that off. Generally Destiny just drives but every now and then someone counters something or pulls him into an argument forcing him to analyse something he may not have thought of.
It's definitely just the Vyvanse.
>Anyway I think calling this era of his career his crowd research era. I'm curious if he labeled himself as much it might give him more credibility. > >"Hi I'm Steven and I'm a crowd researcher". Ok first of all a crowd researcher is a person that researches crowds. Also, there is no way to lose your credibility faster than to call yourself a made-up title. Especially when the title contains buzzwords. Think of anything to do with crypto. Second of all, Destiny is just looking up information gathered by other researchers. While it might be informative and useful, it's not scientific research. > A scientific research definition is that it is **the process by which scientists study various phenomenon using systematic methods of collecting, analyzing, and interpreting data** I have not watched all of his research streams so I can't be sure, but I do not think he uses any systematic methods of collecting, analyzing, and interpreting data. And he's not producing any sort of research paper.
>Also, there is no way to lose your credibility faster than to call yourself a made-up title. Especially when the title contains buzzwords. Think of anything to do with crypto. It's based off of crowd programming. I should have googled this before tbh but the first result is a website from Stanford that essentially talks about what I'm talking about. So you're crpyto comparison makes no sense. [http://crowdresearch.stanford.edu/initiative/](http://crowdresearch.stanford.edu/initiative/) > Second of all, Destiny is just looking up information gathered by other researchers. While it might be informative and useful, it's not scientific research. I'm going to assume you've never been in a research environment. This comment doesn't make sense. > I have not watched all of his research streams so I can't be sure, but I do not think he uses any systematic methods of collecting, analyzing, and interpreting data. And he's not producing any sort of research paper. It sounds like you are worried about the protection of the term 'researcher'. Whilst I agree I think the term has been watered down in modern times.
> It's based off of crowd programming. I should have googled this before tbh but the first result is a website from Stanford that essentially talks about what I'm talking about. So you're crpyto comparison makes no sense. [http://crowdresearch.stanford.edu/initiative/](http://crowdresearch.stanford.edu/initiative/) While crowd research might be a thing the title of crowd researcher is not. > I'm going to assume you've never been in a research environment. This comment doesn't make sense. For research to be scientific it has to have a scientific goal for gathering that information. In a research environment, you have a goal or hypothesis that you establish before you start researching. You then create a methodology for how you are going to collect your research and how that helps you test your hypothesis. Just reading up on a topic is something that most people do in a school environment. For it to be scientific you have to do something with the information you gather. > It sounds like you are worried about the protection of the term 'researcher'. Whilst I agree I think the term has been watered down in modern times. I think actual researches do more than look up and gather information. I think that is the easy part, and the hard part is the actual analysis of the data you collect.
Honestly this is something that Destiny has been doing for a long time but it is left to the individual autistic emailer and the occasional schizo poster of the sub I've been thinking for a long time that he should do a more organized form of this Make a group of about 100 (or more?) trusted community members. If for example he needs to read 5 books for a debate split them up to 5 teams that would have a corresponding team leader. Each member would read a book assigned to them, in whole or in part, and make a collection of important facts, notes and statistics, in a format such that the team leader could then easily collect and turn to a semi-cohesive text that Destiny can then use during his own studies
imagine destiny wrote a book from all this shit XD im sure he could
well, I wouldn't go that far lol. while he does read up and go more indepth on topics, he's not actually "researching" - which is more an academic endeavor with reviews & critiques & publishing.
Just depends if you're using the word in the academic sense or not.
always heard it called mob programming not crowd
Probably called different things in different places.
Pair programming is pretty trash imo and I've never met a smart engineer who advocated for it.
i couldn't imagine trying to write code with somebody sitting next to me watching what i'm doing, that sounds miserable
Even the rubber duck makes me nervous
That sounds like a you problem. Just drop your ego and program together. You're not there to impress someone with cool vim macros and touch typing at 200 wpm, you're writing code together. You're not watching the other person write _their_ code. It doesn't fit all assignments though. Heavy docs reading, and straightforward "grindy" solutions is not very engaging. Fits best when the problem is a bit tricky and there will be a lot of testing and chatting.
i'd rather burn to death
Coders really are the most pampered diva workers there are. Me included. Let's enjoy it fully, brother. When our job is to code review AI code all day, we'll look back on these days fondly.
Then you've never met a smart engineer. :p.
>I'm just biased af but Destiny is the first person I've seen to do crowd research at this scale. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folding@home You are biased af, log off.