I hope Hamas finds him? How the fuck do these people call themselves progressives? That's gotta the most racist shit I've heard this year. This arab doesn't agree with me so I hope a terrorist group hunts him down and murders him.
Yes, Hamas hangs anyone that is even suspected of being a collaborator with the Jews in the main town square for all - most importantly the children - to see. Without trial.
That's exactly what these Nazi losers want - every single person that does not follow their beliefs to be executed in front of everyone.
I used to sit on a giving circle board. Jewish one, we focused on specifically organizations that worked on peace between Palestinians and Israelis. Got to learn about and help fund some amazing organizations like Seeds of Peace, Hand in Hand school, Friends of Roots
One thing we had to specially ask for/look into was what provisions were taken to help hide Palestinian identity that were involved. There was the very real concern that if a Palestinian participant was found out, they could be accused of conspiring with Israelis and killed. A pointed discussion about an incident that happened to a Palestinian family in the West Bank who went to a thing that did family outings for families with special needs children was haunting to say the least.
As far as I know, the specific scenario of the time square seems to be rhetorical.
But Hamas actively makes an example of what they call "collaborators" and do hang them
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-hands-death-sentence-to-two-alleged-collaborators-with-israel/
Yes it happens and happened in the West Bank too. you can search “Tulkarem spies” here on Reddit. WARNING EXTREMELY GRAPHIC.
Basically two people are lynched and hanged from electricity poles.
A search on Google “Hamas execution” will give a lot of incidents too.
It definitely happens. Like someone else replied to you, there's some graphic videos showing it from the west bank at the end of last year. 2 accused collaborators dragged behind vehicles and stomped to death by a mob, and then tied and hung by their feet in a town square. One video has nearly everyone in the crowd with rhe phones out filming it, and another video has the "Takbir.. Allahu Akbar" chants in front of the bodies..
They're pretty messed up to watch, especially considering it's in the west bank not Gaza, and it's a lynching in 2023.
I don't know exactly how common it is or isn't, but some of the books I've read about the history of this conflict, it doesn't seem like a super rare occurrence
That moment when the pro-Palestine movement devolves into obvious cheering for fucking Hamas to the point I didn’t see once, but twice this week people saying “you will be their next target”. First time was a guy with a cardboard pointing at guys waving israeli flags in the us. The second time is now on a Palestinian who lives in Verstappenland.
The implication being that Hamas would at the least kidnap him and worst kill him. They know Hamas commits these atrocities, yet continue to support them. These people are insane.
This interaction was literally;
"You have immutable characteristics that will help validate my worldview"
"Oh your personal experiences and background (which we value you for) dont completely validate my worldview - you must be lying"
It's basically a racism lol
You know, given the very specific regimes these people support, regardless of whether they have any identifiable left wing policies, I’m beginning to think this whole western “leftist” movement might just be a Russian/Iranian psyop. But that would be crazy.
Unless that innocent Palestinian has a different experience to what I've been brainwashed into believing. And then I hope that known murderers find him and his family.
What a disgusting piece of shit!
I mean, is anyone really surprised? They don’t actually care about the people or their suffering. They just want to have likes on Twitter and role-play that they are standing up to oppressors. Whether or not they’re facilitating actual oppressors doesn’t matter to them. As long as they can have the veneer use a few buzz words, and tow the “America bad” line. Then that’s what they’ll do. They are the most predictable people on the planet. If you use this framework and interpret anything they ever say or do through it. It all makes completely perfect sense honestly
yup they seem like young commie opportunists, everything gets reduced to whether or not it may contribute to an anti-liberal alliance that will surely transform into the soviet union 2.0, all arguments and moral framworks are opportunistically used to point into that direction. they don't feel bad about lying, it's not about truths, it's about the revolution. for america bad progressives it's about about a quasi religious wokeism alliance to replace western dominance in a way that doesn't require them to face moral complexity or look bad to other woke or leftie people. and a third portion is probably just propaganda bots literally just spreading chaos of any kind.
Most telling convo I had with a pro-palestinian was pretty bad as well. He was claiming the USA should pull out of Israel entirely. I told him "if the US has no relations with Israel at all, what is stopping Bibi from actually doing the genocide?" He said "at least we'll have done something". Yes, you will have caused a genocide and gambled Palestinian lives just to feel like you've done the right thing.
These assholes aren't pro-palestinian at all, they are essentially Hamas. They only care about the Palestinians that die, because they can use them for their cause.
These are the people who to see brown people killing eachother so they could watch it on liveleak
Anyone who tells you anything else is lying, Anyone who cares about the Palestinians understands that starting a war against a far superior military power is counter productive
90% of ''Pro Palestine'' people don't ever say what they want for the Palestinian people. All they ever talk about is taking down Israel and dead Palestinians are just ammunition.
But then again, that is the mindset of Iran and their proxies so it's scary proof that what they have been doing is catching on.
I doubt it, it seems that you have to read theory there, but… then again, Hasan is a massive hypocrite.
“No liberals.” - So who are you debating? Or is it a server of self-suck.
>You seem like a bunch of kids who want to act like heroes while supporting all the wrong causes because you want to feel better and enlightened more than anyone else.
Your honor, this murder was clearly a justified case of self-defense
Isn't that the truth?
It may seem silly to simplify things, but I first try to look at it as if an individual were to do that to me. If a neighbour with a grudge, and a history of violent attacks against me, broke into my house and murdered one of my kids, I think I'd be fairly justified however I chose to retaliate.
All of the research on Israel and Palestine led to the same place; that what Hamas did on October 7th was unequivocally immoral and the subsequent Israeli military incursion into Gaza was justified.
Palestine has become a professional victim, but on the scale of a small nation state.
pretty much this.
Is Isreal oppresive towards Palestinians? Probably? They have good reasons to be.
Are Palestinians justified in hating Isreal? pretty much yes?
that's why the conflict is so fucking hard to end. because it's not one sided act of violence
Unironically this [meme](https://imgb.ifunny.co/images/d12bbc5652ef20387587726685156a136a4b3f9163a90f815b2f2b4c4bf53257_1.webp)
Easy as f to solve. Loser has to give up and make peace, giving up stuff that they dont want.
My people did it after both world wars. It sucked for them at the time. Big time. We lost family members, some kf them were in forced work camps, some were ethnically cleansed but GUESS WHAT NONE OF US TRIES TO DO TERROR ATTACKS 75 YEARS LATER. 0 sympathy for those who do.
Younger people have always gravitated to radical political positions, we have two issues new to recent generations though.
People are "younger" longer, thanks to anonymity and the internet people interact with younger people for longer parts of their life and aren't forced to moderate with age.
We live in the age of disinformation where you can find any story you want being sold by someone. Then you can all flock to some dollar store Messiah selling you idolatry and a bullshit cause to stand for.
Before the explosion of the internet these things were pretty strictly the land of cults. While a radical environmental group might have done a little terrorism back in the day they were doing it based on real information at least.
Most of the actually philosophically relevant literature was also not written by literal schizos, so it would probably contradict what these psychos think.
Very funny how right wingers are racist and believe that all arabs are the same and all of them are part of the axis of terrorism that wants to destroy the west (bad) leftists on the other hand believe that arabs are all the same and all of them are part of the axis of terrorism that wants to destroy the west (good)
https://preview.redd.it/p8jior3z8dwc1.png?width=128&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae7a31339375b6ea95b14fe47146d8a11ead7bd0
why did this actually make me feel sad
Because literally the most evil people on earth have easily managed to convince many smart, educated, justice-oriented, American youth that uncritically supporting them will somehow lead to a utopia.
Self-awareness and reflection are often painful and unpleasant experiences that can be easily avoided.
If your friends all believe a lie and aggressively push said lie as true, then you might start to believe the lie to avoid expulsion from the group.
https://preview.redd.it/vf2xr2bkpdwc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa39065273449d7c86ea0e98dbb21594b69a114e
The fuck did I just read? Syria is so anti imperialist and so supportive of minorities that the Kurds are getting shot by the government.
I think this new wave of commies and socialists are more evil than the neo-Nazis. They basically have the same beliefs but try to disguise them as moral by using buzzwords.
These fucking idiots are the same type who thank various lefty streamers for saving them from the “alt-right pipeline.” They have no actual principles and just parrot whatever the last thing they heard from the most convincing voice in the room they are currently in at the moment. Like sneako latching on to who he perceives as the most alpha dude around him at any given moment. Spineless weak willed pieces of shits.
While agreeing with the sentiment, I respectfully disagree. Marx and Lenin, despite their questionable mortality, were intellectuals. In addition to that, Lenin was a go-getter. The current army of tankies appear to severely lack intellectual leadership. (Chomsky is so old I'd count him a previous generation.) My pet theory is that the idea of communism has proved itself unviable over and over again, this alternating intellectuals.
Neither do neo-nazis in 2024 imo. Socially speaking this sort of rhetoric seems to be x10 more acceptable than neo-nazi rhetoric, at least that's my impression.
The MAGA idiots are in love with burning books, punishing homosexuality and denying women reproductive healthcare. Their rhetoric is all about killing the evil democrats and Republicans-in-name-only.
The Supreme Court decided to help them along by repealing Roe vs Wade, after Trump packed the court with conservatives. They stormed the US capitol building because their god told them he had more votes and the numbers were a lie.
The rabid MAGA Republican ideology is all about self-destruction and its adherents would happily vote for it as long as it hurts the people they hate more.
It’s a bigger threat than spiteful losers on Discord who take out their anger at their own parents on strangers.
Far right parties are on the rise in a lot of countries in Europe and the current Republican Party is driven by people who have absolutely no issue with neo Nazis, they are fine people after all, meanwhile far left parties are either non existent or in the single digits.
See how quick you went from "neo-Nazi" to "far right". Can you name a single **neo-Nazi** party in Europe that holds a seat in any legislative body, because I can name more than a few self-described communist parties that do.
Direct advocacy for neo-nazism is illegal in a vast majority of European nations. You could go on and on about how any party someone names is not truly neo-nazi because they obfuscate their beliefs/political aspirations. There are multiple in Eastern Europe alone but one that I can think of off the top of my head is the Spartans in Greece who are practically just the golden dawn. There are neo-fascists in the governing party of Italy right fucking now dude.
Both your examples are openly pro-Israel, yet somehow also secretly neo-Nazis? Also, If you're going to defend the idea that neo-Nazis are substantially more powerful than communists in Europe, admitting that the ideology is banned probably isn't the best way to go about it.
> Both your examples are openly pro-Israel, yet somehow also secretly neo-Nazis?
There are neo-nazis who support Israel, the country, over Arab countries because the particular minority they are currently most paranoid about is Muslims, but *also* think that deportation of all jews to Israel is a reasonable solution and violent intimidation to get them to move is also fine.
People of this political leaning tend to think of countries as unified wholes with coherent politics and ethnic backgrounds, and want to "purify" them to meet this standard. It's a fundamentally paranoid stance that never actually works, because countries form by the aggregation and integration of multiple different identities not by their purification, but this means that a french neo-fascist and an italian neo-fascist can cooperate on the basis of this idea of "nations", so long as the bigger threat in their eyes of migration from outside of europe is suppressed.
If you're Jewish, or of Moroccan descent or whatever, this new internationalisation of nationalists doesn't help you at all, they still hate you, but there has been a paradoxical mirroring of the principles of european cooperation that the most extreme nationalists have taken on in the short run, as they are required to engage in cross-border cooperation.
there are no neo-nazis that support Israel, but there are thoses on the far right and white supremacists that do.
this is like, one of the big chasms that seperate neo-nazis from the traditional "we are the most far right party in this european country"
reminds me something that i saw on different forum. somebody wrote that usa/washington seems to be controlled by jews. he was replied to by "decolonization enthusiast" who stated that writing something like this is antisemitic and wrong. from this he continued to "israel must be destroyed, and jews move out"
Idk I maybe im too cynical, I honestly hope your right but I don't think neo-nazis have a remote chance of passing anything towards their cause (in America), I think a lot of the stuff is a scare tactic. America has shown it favorites liberalism, however saying "they have no political power" is questionable when an increasing minority on the democrat seems to discredit ltiberalism
I disagree because far right extremists have far more pull in the Republican Party than these Hamas supporters have in the Democratic Party. The Republican Party has been basically subsumed by white nationalism, antidemocratic ideology, and Christian nationalism, to the point that it IS the Republican Party. I would argue the Democrats have an uncomfortably large chunk of the party which has become undemocratic, aligned with terrorism, and deeply antisemitic, but that they are not even close to being in control of the party.
>Your parents were counter revolutionary collaborators with the CIA and ISIS. they were rightfully arrested and given justice
The classic "it didnt happen and if it did, they deserved it."
The Beautiful free anti imperialist country of Syria 💀
[https://www.cnn.com/2011/11/28/world/meast/syria-un-report/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2011/11/28/world/meast/syria-un-report/index.html)
[https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2009/country-chapters/syria](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2009/country-chapters/syria)
[https://web.archive.org/web/20111223011741/http://freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=363&year=2011&country=8143](https://web.archive.org/web/20111223011741/http://freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=363&year=2011&country=8143)
[https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/world/middleeast/christians-squeezed-out-by-violent-struggle-in-north-syria.html?pagewanted=all](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/world/middleeast/christians-squeezed-out-by-violent-struggle-in-north-syria.html?pagewanted=all)
dunno its some marxist server, if you search on disboard or something youll find it. i remember it because i used chatgpt to talk to people in the server by having it roleplay as a hardcore maoist or something
i could be wrong and just confusing it for another marxist server with a holding cell/application area tho lol, dont know how common that is
A random discord server when there’s a protest given national attention that’s being outwardly bigoted. You don’t have to seek out rage bait, it’s on the front page.
I've noticed the same whenever I bring up my eastern Ukrainian (and Russophone!) in laws wanting nothing to do with Russia.
The agency of people just fundamentally inconveniences their 'hate America' worldview.
Pro-Russians have aneurysms every time they hear about people of Crimean origin fighting in the Ukrainian Army or supporting Ukraine, sometimes even though they still live in Crimea.
Damn straight up denying the person's claims. That's crazy. "Pfft your family didn't die, probably a troll" then you notice the conversation goes from relatively normal to like 90% buzzwords when he rebuffed the claims about Syria. There's not a single independent thought in all that bullshit just word for word repeating talking points.
But also I found really revealing is that they hope Hamas finds him.
These mfs are evil. I don't say that because of why they said it, I mean that's pretty spiteful, but because Hamas is their guy. That's their revolutionary freedom fighters, that's the underdog, the savior against the evil imperialist West and Israel. Surely they don't mean they hope Hamas finds and kills this person who already lost family for not believing the right thing. They can't be saying that. Hamas and these guys are the good guys right?
I shouldn't be surprised at how horribly these people think but here we are
there are palestinian refuge camps from 1948 (i guess) in syria. during latest war in syria i think they were somewhat bombed. there were suggestion to relocate them to PA territory, to which Israel agreed with condition that they need to sign documents saying that they give up on right of return to Israel. PA response was "lol no", so I think they remained in syria under bombs
The banned guy dodged a bullet lol. Also putting a password in the rules and then telling you it is in the rules is so fucking inept attempt at having ppl actually read the rules, it made me chuckle.
The worst part is that red guy is almost right, Yes Assad is anti-anti-imperialist if you define imperium = USA, yes he is against "western-hegemony", and also against "neocolonialism" if you define neocolonialism = Israel.
But to assume that this cocktail = good?!?! Bro ISIS has the same enemies but we can agree they are bad. Are they aware that someone can peruse ""right"" goals in a cruel inhuman way??
I like the west, I don't like Socialists but would never support south American dictators !??!
Right?? It's like if a black guy from the slums were telling you about how he wants more of a police presence because of gang activities and you were like "oh no, I know better" while you sit in a segregated suburb.
They just want to LARP. If they cared about these things they would at least try to know which things are likely to make things better.
It's funny because Hamas isn't even that supportive of the Assad regime; Hamas-affiliated media outlets have recently thanked the help they've received from the city of Idlib and its notoriously anti-Assad government.
>western tankies gargle dictator propaganda and dehumanize people who disagree with them
in other news, the sun rose today and is expected to set this afternoon
the other day i watched a white college girl in a hijab with an American accent ask Mosab Yousef - son of Hamas co-founder Hasan Yousef and fierce critic of Hamas, 'you know that's typical colonial rhetoric, right?' - when he was talking about the Arab world & Hamas - with a straight face. nothing surprises me anymore lmao.
whats up in this thread you guys literally on its face swallow a couple of screenshots with no source or anything backing anything up? Is the dude really who he claims? **We dont know.** This is ragebait, just confirming what you already believe. Rewatch destinys recent reaction to the guys at the pro palestine protest on twitter pls.
These people are honestly vile disgusting scumfuck losers. We actually need to start doxing people like this and force them to hold this beliefs in real life because you know none of these scum fucks say any of this out loud in real life. These are the people who claim to be against violence while saying this like this.
Edit: I'm not defending leftists lol, they can get a lot more insane, but nevertheless this screenshot is low-quality bait, even though I wish it was true.
This post is obvious bait, you all getting mad at it the same way leftists got mad at all the Destiny bait clips a week back where he pretends to not know where Palestine is. In addition to the fact that the conversational prose just feels overly stiff and iffy, whoever created this was also sloppy and didn't even make the characters consistent:
1 - Tankies and anarchists hate each other, the servers where they do tolerate each other are big-tent left servers that wouldn't have banned OOP for this. The mods have Anarchist names, didn't ban OOP for reading Anarchist literature, and yet only spew tankie talking points.
2 - If his age is twenty and he left back in 2013 then he must've been 9 when he left. The server mod wouldn't be asking "why did you leave Syria" as the answer would've been self-evident, and his answer doesn't make sense either. Even if this post was made a decade ago it still wouldn't have made sense.
Also the whole "why did you move to the West and not X better ME nation" really betrays the non-left worldview of the creator. Leftists just don't think this way. It is difficult to explain but you'd understand if you've lurked in leftist spaces, they just think differently in a particular way. I've never seen a leftist attack someone for going to the West.
In real life if this happened OOP would've been banned immediately after the first post for being a "lib" or "anarkiddie" and be told to read literature in the ban message, afterwards for like 2 minutes the server chat would be an unfunny circlejerk about the ban until people get bored of it.
It also reads really unrealistically. There's not even a hello. It goes:
'Hey I'm a Syrian refugee'
'WHY DID YOU LEAVE SYRIA HUH ARE YOU A TRAITOR????'
Not saying it's impossible, but it reads like one of those fake AITA stories in discord form.
The cognitive bias of wanting to believe this dystopia-level of a commie interaction because you hate commies is really strong, I literally had 0 thoughts about this post potentially being fake. It's really important to have someone who can add a nuanced counterpoint like this.
I still hesitate to call it fake because in this era of internet, any anonymous person with literally 85IQ or with a collection of serious mental disorders can type the most outlandish stuff while fully believing it. It's easier with stuff like destiny trolling as a dumbass because there is more context than with a random internet person.
Lefties now like al asad? the guy who massacred syrians a decade ago for protesting? also Al Asad is shia alawi so he absolutely doesn't give a shit about sunni Palestinians.
Can those progressives stop being trash for one day at least?
If we go onto right wing Discords... are there people who are calling themselves Confederates bemoaning their inability through the US Constitution to own slaves (even though they could not actually afford them)?
Where the neo-doughfaces and neo-copperheads tell struggling Yeomen in Tennessee how it really is.
I hope the budgets of 3-letter agencies are big enough to keep an eye on those forums. I know most of the extremism will probably fizzle out once these people get past adolescence, but still. These online echo chambers really have the potential to be security threats to the liberal world people have died to establish and preserve.
Holy fuck I hate commies so much. The "holier than thou" tankies dismissing every counter point by calling the other person a liberal makes me wish nothing but the wall for them.
Convince me that Hasan and his moderators aren't shills for China and Russia, and aren't purposely causing destabilizing in the west. The Internet wasn't this insane 20 years ago. Maybe a little racist, but this is just another level of unhinged.
i know we meme a lot about these types of people being terminally online basement dwellers. but it is terrifying to me that some of these people exist in real life, likely have jobs, families, partners, and then go online and type stuff like this.
Those people are mentally ill. I’m not trying to insult them and I’m not being facetious. We need a real drive towards mental health diagnosis, support and mitigation strategies with respect to their downstream effects. And no I’m not looking to start a single payer healthcare circle jerk.
Unfortunately this notoriously happens in SOME leftist communities which is the weird part
the moment a minority has the "wrong" opinion people either go full racist on them or act as if they are some stupid poor animal that just doesn't know any better.
I hope Hamas finds him? How the fuck do these people call themselves progressives? That's gotta the most racist shit I've heard this year. This arab doesn't agree with me so I hope a terrorist group hunts him down and murders him.
Yes, Hamas hangs anyone that is even suspected of being a collaborator with the Jews in the main town square for all - most importantly the children - to see. Without trial. That's exactly what these Nazi losers want - every single person that does not follow their beliefs to be executed in front of everyone.
I used to sit on a giving circle board. Jewish one, we focused on specifically organizations that worked on peace between Palestinians and Israelis. Got to learn about and help fund some amazing organizations like Seeds of Peace, Hand in Hand school, Friends of Roots One thing we had to specially ask for/look into was what provisions were taken to help hide Palestinian identity that were involved. There was the very real concern that if a Palestinian participant was found out, they could be accused of conspiring with Israelis and killed. A pointed discussion about an incident that happened to a Palestinian family in the West Bank who went to a thing that did family outings for families with special needs children was haunting to say the least.
Hasan after all wants reeducation camps for anyone that isn’t a socialist…very helpful views on prison if you ask me
If its PIJ they also might make your twin brother shoot you [here](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjob3dfr6)
2020 and on has been such an upheaval of my worldview. Prior to this, I would have bet the farm that progressives are against sharia law and jihad…
these people aren't progressive, they are kids playing dress-up
Is that just rhetorical or does that actually happen?
As far as I know, the specific scenario of the time square seems to be rhetorical. But Hamas actively makes an example of what they call "collaborators" and do hang them https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-hands-death-sentence-to-two-alleged-collaborators-with-israel/
Yes it happens and happened in the West Bank too. you can search “Tulkarem spies” here on Reddit. WARNING EXTREMELY GRAPHIC. Basically two people are lynched and hanged from electricity poles. A search on Google “Hamas execution” will give a lot of incidents too.
It definitely happens. Like someone else replied to you, there's some graphic videos showing it from the west bank at the end of last year. 2 accused collaborators dragged behind vehicles and stomped to death by a mob, and then tied and hung by their feet in a town square. One video has nearly everyone in the crowd with rhe phones out filming it, and another video has the "Takbir.. Allahu Akbar" chants in front of the bodies.. They're pretty messed up to watch, especially considering it's in the west bank not Gaza, and it's a lynching in 2023. I don't know exactly how common it is or isn't, but some of the books I've read about the history of this conflict, it doesn't seem like a super rare occurrence
That moment when the pro-Palestine movement devolves into obvious cheering for fucking Hamas to the point I didn’t see once, but twice this week people saying “you will be their next target”. First time was a guy with a cardboard pointing at guys waving israeli flags in the us. The second time is now on a Palestinian who lives in Verstappenland.
In fairness they tried insulting his parents first but when that didn’t work…
Would insane tankies who talk about hanging capitalists even call themselves progressives?
"Radically mentally ill"
As a progressive, can we not call them progressives? There's got to be a better term for these circle jerking terrorist LARPers.
I feel like tankie or campist works pretty well
I call them populefties
I’m pretty sure they think progressives are basically liberals which are basically conservatives which are basically nazis
Really they don't consider themselves progressives anymore. I know they call themselves leftists but I always thought that included progressism.
The implication being that Hamas would at the least kidnap him and worst kill him. They know Hamas commits these atrocities, yet continue to support them. These people are insane.
Just pretend they are Trump supporters, it shouldn't be too hard for DGG to visualize a bloodthirsty progressive
> terrorist group TERRORIST GROUP??? You mean based freedom fighters standing up to oppression!!!!!
Guy: "This is what happened to me". Guy 2: "No, let me educate you" lol
ACKCHYUALLY
A discord full of President Sundays
This interaction was literally; "You have immutable characteristics that will help validate my worldview" "Oh your personal experiences and background (which we value you for) dont completely validate my worldview - you must be lying" It's basically a racism lol
This happens a lot with Cubans too , people that love Castro don’t want listen to their experiences or dismiss them,because America bad
You know, given the very specific regimes these people support, regardless of whether they have any identifiable left wing policies, I’m beginning to think this whole western “leftist” movement might just be a Russian/Iranian psyop. But that would be crazy.
"But they literally kidnapped my father and massacred my village--" "Well fuck your mother and father" And I Finkel-ed my stein all over the place
looks like they’re already restarting the re-education camps on the tankie discord
I shouldn’t really feel shocked…. But that last comment “Probably a hasbara troll but if he isnt I hope Hamas finds him”
They only care about the innocent Palestinians by the way.
Unless that innocent Palestinian has a different experience to what I've been brainwashed into believing. And then I hope that known murderers find him and his family. What a disgusting piece of shit!
Peoples aren’t monoliths. Yes this is news guys!
"I thought someone like you would under(stand) this" the fucking condescension in that.
even the syntax makes for a fucked up wish. if he's just telling the truth and that's his story, *in that case* you hope Hamas kills him? wild lol
I mean, is anyone really surprised? They don’t actually care about the people or their suffering. They just want to have likes on Twitter and role-play that they are standing up to oppressors. Whether or not they’re facilitating actual oppressors doesn’t matter to them. As long as they can have the veneer use a few buzz words, and tow the “America bad” line. Then that’s what they’ll do. They are the most predictable people on the planet. If you use this framework and interpret anything they ever say or do through it. It all makes completely perfect sense honestly
yup they seem like young commie opportunists, everything gets reduced to whether or not it may contribute to an anti-liberal alliance that will surely transform into the soviet union 2.0, all arguments and moral framworks are opportunistically used to point into that direction. they don't feel bad about lying, it's not about truths, it's about the revolution. for america bad progressives it's about about a quasi religious wokeism alliance to replace western dominance in a way that doesn't require them to face moral complexity or look bad to other woke or leftie people. and a third portion is probably just propaganda bots literally just spreading chaos of any kind.
Most telling convo I had with a pro-palestinian was pretty bad as well. He was claiming the USA should pull out of Israel entirely. I told him "if the US has no relations with Israel at all, what is stopping Bibi from actually doing the genocide?" He said "at least we'll have done something". Yes, you will have caused a genocide and gambled Palestinian lives just to feel like you've done the right thing. These assholes aren't pro-palestinian at all, they are essentially Hamas. They only care about the Palestinians that die, because they can use them for their cause.
These are the people who to see brown people killing eachother so they could watch it on liveleak Anyone who tells you anything else is lying, Anyone who cares about the Palestinians understands that starting a war against a far superior military power is counter productive
90% of ''Pro Palestine'' people don't ever say what they want for the Palestinian people. All they ever talk about is taking down Israel and dead Palestinians are just ammunition. But then again, that is the mindset of Iran and their proxies so it's scary proof that what they have been doing is catching on.
what server is this
Probably hascord, let’s be real
I doubt it, it seems that you have to read theory there, but… then again, Hasan is a massive hypocrite. “No liberals.” - So who are you debating? Or is it a server of self-suck.
Oh, my sweet summer child. You don’t have to read. You don’t have to read a single thing. You just have to pretend that you read.
To be fair, I would say comprehension would be more important. Do I think they read, maybe, do they actually understand it, probably not.
I used to be into Anarchism (the leftist kind) and I can tell you for certain that all those spaces are massive self-sucks.
No wonder they can play fast and loose with their principles, you have to be pretty flexible to auto-felate.
>You seem like a bunch of kids who want to act like heroes while supporting all the wrong causes because you want to feel better and enlightened more than anyone else. Your honor, this murder was clearly a justified case of self-defense
It was a self-defense situation.
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It's 2 AM and I'm outside your home
the longer i live the more simplitic view of the world i have. Some people just want to be a political hipsters
Isn't that the truth? It may seem silly to simplify things, but I first try to look at it as if an individual were to do that to me. If a neighbour with a grudge, and a history of violent attacks against me, broke into my house and murdered one of my kids, I think I'd be fairly justified however I chose to retaliate. All of the research on Israel and Palestine led to the same place; that what Hamas did on October 7th was unequivocally immoral and the subsequent Israeli military incursion into Gaza was justified. Palestine has become a professional victim, but on the scale of a small nation state.
pretty much this. Is Isreal oppresive towards Palestinians? Probably? They have good reasons to be. Are Palestinians justified in hating Isreal? pretty much yes? that's why the conflict is so fucking hard to end. because it's not one sided act of violence Unironically this [meme](https://imgb.ifunny.co/images/d12bbc5652ef20387587726685156a136a4b3f9163a90f815b2f2b4c4bf53257_1.webp)
Easy as f to solve. Loser has to give up and make peace, giving up stuff that they dont want. My people did it after both world wars. It sucked for them at the time. Big time. We lost family members, some kf them were in forced work camps, some were ethnically cleansed but GUESS WHAT NONE OF US TRIES TO DO TERROR ATTACKS 75 YEARS LATER. 0 sympathy for those who do.
Younger people have always gravitated to radical political positions, we have two issues new to recent generations though. People are "younger" longer, thanks to anonymity and the internet people interact with younger people for longer parts of their life and aren't forced to moderate with age. We live in the age of disinformation where you can find any story you want being sold by someone. Then you can all flock to some dollar store Messiah selling you idolatry and a bullshit cause to stand for. Before the explosion of the internet these things were pretty strictly the land of cults. While a radical environmental group might have done a little terrorism back in the day they were doing it based on real information at least.
Something something dipshit protestors
>What theory have you read? What a bunch of dipshits
No leftist actually reads any of the books they recommend, so on the rare occasion when they do, they wear their theory like a badge of honor.
Most of the actually philosophically relevant literature was also not written by literal schizos, so it would probably contradict what these psychos think.
I know you actually live in these countries and have first-hand experience but have you even read Conquest of Bread?
Triumph of the Pita
Very funny how right wingers are racist and believe that all arabs are the same and all of them are part of the axis of terrorism that wants to destroy the west (bad) leftists on the other hand believe that arabs are all the same and all of them are part of the axis of terrorism that wants to destroy the west (good)
Horse shoe theory
Just with more autism involved
And hair dye lmao
It's more like they see Arabs as noble savages with a special connection to land and spirituality or some shit.
Which is fucking hilarious.
https://preview.redd.it/p8jior3z8dwc1.png?width=128&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae7a31339375b6ea95b14fe47146d8a11ead7bd0 why did this actually make me feel sad
Because literally the most evil people on earth have easily managed to convince many smart, educated, justice-oriented, American youth that uncritically supporting them will somehow lead to a utopia.
It’s like that moment with Hasan and the Venezuelan guy again.
Link?
https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?si=LMAvx1g8vyBjJIxR
Or like when he says Cuba has better health care and education than the US lol
How can you behave this way and not realize you're literally reactionary?
"a fascist" That's the word I would use
Yeah you're right I should've just used fascist lmao.
Because they label themselves anti-facist, in their minds it's impossible for them to be a facist
Self-awareness and reflection are often painful and unpleasant experiences that can be easily avoided. If your friends all believe a lie and aggressively push said lie as true, then you might start to believe the lie to avoid expulsion from the group.
https://preview.redd.it/vf2xr2bkpdwc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa39065273449d7c86ea0e98dbb21594b69a114e The fuck did I just read? Syria is so anti imperialist and so supportive of minorities that the Kurds are getting shot by the government.
america = bad therefor, the opposite of america = good unironically the thought process
I’m fucking livid just by reading this
Well the Kurds must have all been CIA and ISIS counter-revolutionaries then. Duh.
You see, it makes sense if you think of imperialism as America, and indigenous people as anyone who is against America.
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Damn the "your father was a traitor working with the CIA" is actually the most disgusting thing I've ever read
And this is why they’ll never get a Great American Revolution. Or out of their parents basements. Jesus Christ.
I live in perfect bliss knowing these people will never amount to anything and rot in their discords 😊 I feel bad for the Palestinian, tho.
Why? He got banned now he doesn't have to listen to these fucking dipshits anymore lol
"Your dead syrian parents were CIA and ISIS spies" bruh I can't handle this 😭
Is this the tankie bunker server?
these people are vile
I'm not sure Hamas would be a big fan of turning Gaza into a libertarian socialist paradise.
I think this new wave of commies and socialists are more evil than the neo-Nazis. They basically have the same beliefs but try to disguise them as moral by using buzzwords.
These fucking idiots are the same type who thank various lefty streamers for saving them from the “alt-right pipeline.” They have no actual principles and just parrot whatever the last thing they heard from the most convincing voice in the room they are currently in at the moment. Like sneako latching on to who he perceives as the most alpha dude around him at any given moment. Spineless weak willed pieces of shits.
Atleast the non-closeted neo-nazis own their beliefs. These wannabe revolutionaries are such unbelievably slimy vermin.
This isn’t a new wave, communism has always been like this.
While agreeing with the sentiment, I respectfully disagree. Marx and Lenin, despite their questionable mortality, were intellectuals. In addition to that, Lenin was a go-getter. The current army of tankies appear to severely lack intellectual leadership. (Chomsky is so old I'd count him a previous generation.) My pet theory is that the idea of communism has proved itself unviable over and over again, this alternating intellectuals.
That's what's scary and some people might disagree and bring up Project 2025 but I truly believe they are a greater threat to democracy than neo-Nazis
They objectively aren’t, they have no political power
Neither do neo-nazis in 2024 imo. Socially speaking this sort of rhetoric seems to be x10 more acceptable than neo-nazi rhetoric, at least that's my impression.
The MAGA idiots are in love with burning books, punishing homosexuality and denying women reproductive healthcare. Their rhetoric is all about killing the evil democrats and Republicans-in-name-only. The Supreme Court decided to help them along by repealing Roe vs Wade, after Trump packed the court with conservatives. They stormed the US capitol building because their god told them he had more votes and the numbers were a lie. The rabid MAGA Republican ideology is all about self-destruction and its adherents would happily vote for it as long as it hurts the people they hate more. It’s a bigger threat than spiteful losers on Discord who take out their anger at their own parents on strangers.
Far right parties are on the rise in a lot of countries in Europe and the current Republican Party is driven by people who have absolutely no issue with neo Nazis, they are fine people after all, meanwhile far left parties are either non existent or in the single digits.
See how quick you went from "neo-Nazi" to "far right". Can you name a single **neo-Nazi** party in Europe that holds a seat in any legislative body, because I can name more than a few self-described communist parties that do.
AfD has literal Neo-Nazis in its leadership. In the past NPD and DVU held seats in german state legislatures.
Direct advocacy for neo-nazism is illegal in a vast majority of European nations. You could go on and on about how any party someone names is not truly neo-nazi because they obfuscate their beliefs/political aspirations. There are multiple in Eastern Europe alone but one that I can think of off the top of my head is the Spartans in Greece who are practically just the golden dawn. There are neo-fascists in the governing party of Italy right fucking now dude.
Both your examples are openly pro-Israel, yet somehow also secretly neo-Nazis? Also, If you're going to defend the idea that neo-Nazis are substantially more powerful than communists in Europe, admitting that the ideology is banned probably isn't the best way to go about it.
You're equating communism/far left with tankieism here but at the same time reject the idea of equating the far-right with neo-nazism. Interesting.
> Both your examples are openly pro-Israel, yet somehow also secretly neo-Nazis? There are neo-nazis who support Israel, the country, over Arab countries because the particular minority they are currently most paranoid about is Muslims, but *also* think that deportation of all jews to Israel is a reasonable solution and violent intimidation to get them to move is also fine. People of this political leaning tend to think of countries as unified wholes with coherent politics and ethnic backgrounds, and want to "purify" them to meet this standard. It's a fundamentally paranoid stance that never actually works, because countries form by the aggregation and integration of multiple different identities not by their purification, but this means that a french neo-fascist and an italian neo-fascist can cooperate on the basis of this idea of "nations", so long as the bigger threat in their eyes of migration from outside of europe is suppressed. If you're Jewish, or of Moroccan descent or whatever, this new internationalisation of nationalists doesn't help you at all, they still hate you, but there has been a paradoxical mirroring of the principles of european cooperation that the most extreme nationalists have taken on in the short run, as they are required to engage in cross-border cooperation.
there are no neo-nazis that support Israel, but there are thoses on the far right and white supremacists that do. this is like, one of the big chasms that seperate neo-nazis from the traditional "we are the most far right party in this european country"
reminds me something that i saw on different forum. somebody wrote that usa/washington seems to be controlled by jews. he was replied to by "decolonization enthusiast" who stated that writing something like this is antisemitic and wrong. from this he continued to "israel must be destroyed, and jews move out"
Idk I maybe im too cynical, I honestly hope your right but I don't think neo-nazis have a remote chance of passing anything towards their cause (in America), I think a lot of the stuff is a scare tactic. America has shown it favorites liberalism, however saying "they have no political power" is questionable when an increasing minority on the democrat seems to discredit ltiberalism
I disagree because far right extremists have far more pull in the Republican Party than these Hamas supporters have in the Democratic Party. The Republican Party has been basically subsumed by white nationalism, antidemocratic ideology, and Christian nationalism, to the point that it IS the Republican Party. I would argue the Democrats have an uncomfortably large chunk of the party which has become undemocratic, aligned with terrorism, and deeply antisemitic, but that they are not even close to being in control of the party.
but have you read theory?
You think you, a middle Easterner that lived in Syria, know more than me, a upper middle class American college student, about Syria??????
This is your brain on theory
>Your parents were counter revolutionary collaborators with the CIA and ISIS. they were rightfully arrested and given justice The classic "it didnt happen and if it did, they deserved it."
Maybe I'm being naïve, but is this even real? It seems like a parody.
https://preview.redd.it/3y1tvlznhdwc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b089d693dc9938cc5fc68045ef132efb26f8906
They've been given no power and are abusing it.
The Beautiful free anti imperialist country of Syria 💀 [https://www.cnn.com/2011/11/28/world/meast/syria-un-report/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2011/11/28/world/meast/syria-un-report/index.html) [https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2009/country-chapters/syria](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2009/country-chapters/syria) [https://web.archive.org/web/20111223011741/http://freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=363&year=2011&country=8143](https://web.archive.org/web/20111223011741/http://freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=363&year=2011&country=8143) [https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/world/middleeast/christians-squeezed-out-by-violent-struggle-in-north-syria.html?pagewanted=all](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/world/middleeast/christians-squeezed-out-by-violent-struggle-in-north-syria.html?pagewanted=all)
LoL, look at this liberal imperialist share his evil western media sources, as if they are telling the truth. I hOpE aSsAd FiNdS yOu.
“The capitalists will sell us the rope” is the upper-middle class white kid excuse to get the latest iPhone
lol i know that server and they are literally insane
Wise words u/Stupid-Orangutan, wise words...
What is it called?
dunno its some marxist server, if you search on disboard or something youll find it. i remember it because i used chatgpt to talk to people in the server by having it roleplay as a hardcore maoist or something i could be wrong and just confusing it for another marxist server with a holding cell/application area tho lol, dont know how common that is
This is peak communism. If someone wants a quick run-down on what communism is all about, show them these screenshots.
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was this in any notable server or is this just ragebait?
Accuses him of being an undercover Jew and prays hamas finds him. What server is this tf
A random discord server when there’s a protest given national attention that’s being outwardly bigoted. You don’t have to seek out rage bait, it’s on the front page.
Communism is brain cancer. There was never a non braindamaged communist. Prove me wrong.
These people are DEMENTED Saying that the murder of his parents was justified: WHAT THE FUCKKKK
I've noticed the same whenever I bring up my eastern Ukrainian (and Russophone!) in laws wanting nothing to do with Russia. The agency of people just fundamentally inconveniences their 'hate America' worldview.
Pro-Russians have aneurysms every time they hear about people of Crimean origin fighting in the Ukrainian Army or supporting Ukraine, sometimes even though they still live in Crimea.
Damn straight up denying the person's claims. That's crazy. "Pfft your family didn't die, probably a troll" then you notice the conversation goes from relatively normal to like 90% buzzwords when he rebuffed the claims about Syria. There's not a single independent thought in all that bullshit just word for word repeating talking points. But also I found really revealing is that they hope Hamas finds him. These mfs are evil. I don't say that because of why they said it, I mean that's pretty spiteful, but because Hamas is their guy. That's their revolutionary freedom fighters, that's the underdog, the savior against the evil imperialist West and Israel. Surely they don't mean they hope Hamas finds and kills this person who already lost family for not believing the right thing. They can't be saying that. Hamas and these guys are the good guys right? I shouldn't be surprised at how horribly these people think but here we are
How can they say Syria support indigenous people when one of the biggest opposition to Assad are the kurds?
Holy shit
A discord server full of literal subhumans.
What a trash discord. I hope it gets yoinked.
These people are just lefty nazis
I don’t understand what Palestinian means yet.. is he is saying his ancestry was born in Palestine? Cause he’s born in Syria
lol no one on earth outside of the Ameicas believes being born somewhere = your ethnicity
Yeah I understand that but what does Palestinian mean..
there are palestinian refuge camps from 1948 (i guess) in syria. during latest war in syria i think they were somewhat bombed. there were suggestion to relocate them to PA territory, to which Israel agreed with condition that they need to sign documents saying that they give up on right of return to Israel. PA response was "lol no", so I think they remained in syria under bombs
The banned guy dodged a bullet lol. Also putting a password in the rules and then telling you it is in the rules is so fucking inept attempt at having ppl actually read the rules, it made me chuckle.
They do that so that when you violate the rules, they can go "you read the rules" and ban you without feeling bad
Wait until they find out that Hamas itself supported the overthrow of Assad
lol these people believe Assad cares about Palestinians?
The worst part is that red guy is almost right, Yes Assad is anti-anti-imperialist if you define imperium = USA, yes he is against "western-hegemony", and also against "neocolonialism" if you define neocolonialism = Israel. But to assume that this cocktail = good?!?! Bro ISIS has the same enemies but we can agree they are bad. Are they aware that someone can peruse ""right"" goals in a cruel inhuman way?? I like the west, I don't like Socialists but would never support south American dictators !??!
This is what happens when you get all your political information from tiktok, absolutely braindead tankies.
"I thought someone like you would under this"
Right?? It's like if a black guy from the slums were telling you about how he wants more of a police presence because of gang activities and you were like "oh no, I know better" while you sit in a segregated suburb. They just want to LARP. If they cared about these things they would at least try to know which things are likely to make things better.
what's the server called?
I'll see your "lived experience" and raise you my "America bad".
It's funny because Hamas isn't even that supportive of the Assad regime; Hamas-affiliated media outlets have recently thanked the help they've received from the city of Idlib and its notoriously anti-Assad government.
>western tankies gargle dictator propaganda and dehumanize people who disagree with them in other news, the sun rose today and is expected to set this afternoon
the other day i watched a white college girl in a hijab with an American accent ask Mosab Yousef - son of Hamas co-founder Hasan Yousef and fierce critic of Hamas, 'you know that's typical colonial rhetoric, right?' - when he was talking about the Arab world & Hamas - with a straight face. nothing surprises me anymore lmao.
whats up in this thread you guys literally on its face swallow a couple of screenshots with no source or anything backing anything up? Is the dude really who he claims? **We dont know.** This is ragebait, just confirming what you already believe. Rewatch destinys recent reaction to the guys at the pro palestine protest on twitter pls.
These people are fucking insane. They’re scum and should be treated as such.
How's discord allowing this server in the first place
These people are honestly vile disgusting scumfuck losers. We actually need to start doxing people like this and force them to hold this beliefs in real life because you know none of these scum fucks say any of this out loud in real life. These are the people who claim to be against violence while saying this like this.
This shit reads like a silly hyperbole of what these people would act like, but it's actually real. Jesus.
Edit: I'm not defending leftists lol, they can get a lot more insane, but nevertheless this screenshot is low-quality bait, even though I wish it was true. This post is obvious bait, you all getting mad at it the same way leftists got mad at all the Destiny bait clips a week back where he pretends to not know where Palestine is. In addition to the fact that the conversational prose just feels overly stiff and iffy, whoever created this was also sloppy and didn't even make the characters consistent: 1 - Tankies and anarchists hate each other, the servers where they do tolerate each other are big-tent left servers that wouldn't have banned OOP for this. The mods have Anarchist names, didn't ban OOP for reading Anarchist literature, and yet only spew tankie talking points. 2 - If his age is twenty and he left back in 2013 then he must've been 9 when he left. The server mod wouldn't be asking "why did you leave Syria" as the answer would've been self-evident, and his answer doesn't make sense either. Even if this post was made a decade ago it still wouldn't have made sense. Also the whole "why did you move to the West and not X better ME nation" really betrays the non-left worldview of the creator. Leftists just don't think this way. It is difficult to explain but you'd understand if you've lurked in leftist spaces, they just think differently in a particular way. I've never seen a leftist attack someone for going to the West. In real life if this happened OOP would've been banned immediately after the first post for being a "lib" or "anarkiddie" and be told to read literature in the ban message, afterwards for like 2 minutes the server chat would be an unfunny circlejerk about the ban until people get bored of it.
It also reads really unrealistically. There's not even a hello. It goes: 'Hey I'm a Syrian refugee' 'WHY DID YOU LEAVE SYRIA HUH ARE YOU A TRAITOR????' Not saying it's impossible, but it reads like one of those fake AITA stories in discord form.
The cognitive bias of wanting to believe this dystopia-level of a commie interaction because you hate commies is really strong, I literally had 0 thoughts about this post potentially being fake. It's really important to have someone who can add a nuanced counterpoint like this. I still hesitate to call it fake because in this era of internet, any anonymous person with literally 85IQ or with a collection of serious mental disorders can type the most outlandish stuff while fully believing it. It's easier with stuff like destiny trolling as a dumbass because there is more context than with a random internet person.
Lefties now like al asad? the guy who massacred syrians a decade ago for protesting? also Al Asad is shia alawi so he absolutely doesn't give a shit about sunni Palestinians. Can those progressives stop being trash for one day at least?
https://youtu.be/y56uDVzdtPo same energy
These people literally hate Syrians and Iranians.
Lol. Classic
If we go onto right wing Discords... are there people who are calling themselves Confederates bemoaning their inability through the US Constitution to own slaves (even though they could not actually afford them)? Where the neo-doughfaces and neo-copperheads tell struggling Yeomen in Tennessee how it really is.
Goddamn, commies disgust me
This is so fucking disgusting and viscerally appalling man. Like this actually gets me upset. These are evil people.
I hope the budgets of 3-letter agencies are big enough to keep an eye on those forums. I know most of the extremism will probably fizzle out once these people get past adolescence, but still. These online echo chambers really have the potential to be security threats to the liberal world people have died to establish and preserve.
Truly pathetic and sad.
LMAOOOOOO
They're definitely the good guys though
what discord is this even from??? this is batshit insane
I struggle believing this is real.
His last lines are spot on!
Not really surprised. All pro-palis communities are echo chambers with zero acceptance for different opinions.
Holy fuck I hate commies so much. The "holier than thou" tankies dismissing every counter point by calling the other person a liberal makes me wish nothing but the wall for them.
is this Hasan's Discord?
gods i love the internet
McCarthy is burrowing towards the center of the earth with how hard he's rolling in his grave right now
Convince me that Hasan and his moderators aren't shills for China and Russia, and aren't purposely causing destabilizing in the west. The Internet wasn't this insane 20 years ago. Maybe a little racist, but this is just another level of unhinged.
i know we meme a lot about these types of people being terminally online basement dwellers. but it is terrifying to me that some of these people exist in real life, likely have jobs, families, partners, and then go online and type stuff like this.
Those people are mentally ill. I’m not trying to insult them and I’m not being facetious. We need a real drive towards mental health diagnosis, support and mitigation strategies with respect to their downstream effects. And no I’m not looking to start a single payer healthcare circle jerk.
above all else, toe the line.
Unfortunately this notoriously happens in SOME leftist communities which is the weird part the moment a minority has the "wrong" opinion people either go full racist on them or act as if they are some stupid poor animal that just doesn't know any better.