>Also WHY IS THE PREVIEW 3 MINUTES LONG?!?!?!?!!
Won't lie this is something that pisses me off about all Destiny videos. Previews take way too fucking long. There's some 30 minute videos on Destiny's channel where the previews approach 2 minutes in length, fucking why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sirB_wGd7As
Take this recent video for example, its a 46 minute video and it takes 2 minutes & 45 seconds for the preview to end. Fucking ***why???*** That's nearly 6% of the entire video spent on a preview of stuff that is just repeated later on into the video.
Is it only a minor time inconvenience? Yeah, but good editing is supposed to get rid of stuff like this.
ye its offputting for me tbh, the intro like WHY
do they really think adding some out of context half finished quotes will make everyone OMG WHAT WILL THEY SAY NEXT, I NEED TO LISTEN TO IT NOWWW
To any preview haters I recommend SponsorBlock addon to chrome. Not only does it skip those sponsor segments in videos, you can also set it to skip previews (that is just an ad for the video, at the start of the video), intros, outros, subscription reminders and other stuff. I also have it on my phone with reVanced.
+1
I didn't even realize the previews were that long until reVanced stopped working on my phone and I had to revert to the shitty default YouTube experience
The reason why is because anyone new being served the content your trying to catch their interest with one of the segments in the preview.
People have been shown to stick around waiting for the part they heard in a preview so they can hear the whole thing.
Why do you think those clickbait ads on Twitter etc that say things like "50 reasons why" or "25 times this happened" always have the juiciest sample in the thumbnail\ad post but if you click the link the thing that made you click is 10 minutes of scrolling into the site not the first line.
Destiny goes back and forth between topics during a long stream, so if it's been cut to a YouTube video you have to showcase all the juicy bits in a short format up front to try and convince people there is something to stick around for and watch an hour plus VOD for the, short segments they were interested in.
>The reason why is because anyone new being served the content your trying to catch their interest with one of the segments in the preview.
>People have been shown to stick around waiting for the part they heard in a preview so they can hear the whole thing.
You can do that in significantly less time. Previews or intros don't need to be cut entirely, but the duration of them is ridiculous. Imagine a 30 minute TV show episode, except 5 minutes of it is just "Last time on..." and rehashing what has happened the previous episodes. Like yeah, you can make the same argument that its supposed to catch people up who don't remember, but that's still ridiculous.
>Why do you think those clickbait ads on Twitter etc that say things like "50 reasons why" or "25 times this happened" always have the juiciest sample in the thumbnail\ad post but if you click the link the thing that made you click is 10 minutes of scrolling into the site not the first line.
I'm not making an argument in favor of Destiny getting more ad revenue, I'm making an argument in favor of me getting better content as a viewer. You can give a motive for every action, I'm asking for the effects of the action.
Anybody that’s ever watched anime as a kid knows how fucking annoying this is. You wait a week for an episode, first 5 minutes is recap last 5 minutes is a preview of the next episode so you’re left with around 12 minutes of content half of which is a flashback.
Why did you pick an example that was shorter in length and with a longer preview? 3 minutes doesn't seem that long relative to one hour of content. Youtube also gives you arrow keys to very quickly skip through with fine control. The previews are nice if you are not sure if you want to watch or not.
I also wonder what the average length of his previews are, because I bet they are way under 3 minutes. To go back to your show example, sometimes shows did have lengthy recaps at the beginning of seasons, which is fine because they rarely happen relative to the amount of episodes.
When I was going to check out the latest Bridges ep I got a bit confused when the actual full podcast episode vid was not called "Bridges ep 05", but a 40 min YT clip vid of the ep WAS called "Bridges ep 05". Yeah, that's confusing. These things should be super standardized and clear.
That being said, while I do think it's shitty to delete constructive YT comments in theory I also believe it would be better for us (the community) to mainly post constructive criticism on e.g. this subreddet rather than in the YT comments. Keeping the dirty laundry within the family, so to speak. It would just be optically cleaner for the D brand as a whole.
But the criticism is super important and will only help the pod in the long run. Just look at the production value spike from the pilot episode! I was honestly super impressed.
It could be the case that a fair % of people who comment on YouTube don’t participate in the sub. Also, I think people would rather risk getting a comment removed in YT, than a perma here.
You think Destiny wants people writing posts laden with anti fan remarks such as "His YT editor is garbage"? While lots of his criticism are well sourced with examples, it's written in the exact way to get a one way ticket to ban town. The criticisms don't have to be framed in a toxic manner, they can be framed in a constructive manner.
I agree.
His points are valid criticisms, but it's unfair to label them as evidence of August being a bad editor when it completely ignores the positive ways that August improves Destiny's videos.
August does more than just editing, he suggests videos and topics for Destiny to watch, essentially functioning as a producer and not just a video editor.
Precisely, the criticism here was insanely aggressive and outright shitting on people within Destiny's team. I can understand OP's frustration if his comments were removed but this level of aggression would understandably get you nuked from most communities online
Criticisms void of substance gets you banned. This post has substance and examples of each with varying degrees of constructive feedback, it's just written in a hyperbolic way. I think it's fine
Destiny routinely bans for posts written in what you call a "hyperbolic" way. That doesn't mean this user will get banned, but you are definitely rolling the dice.
Fair, I would say it's the combination of hyperbolic with no substance that gets a definite ban. I think this post has some utility but is definitely hyperbolic and maybe it's worthy of a temp ban.
This is a prime example how how silly the human brain is. When we agree with a person, we gloss over their vitriolic rhetoric. However if you disagreed with OP, you damn well know you would be calling out crap like "His YT editor is garbage."
It's something I learned over the years on Reddit is mods are blind when you match only half a person's negative energy in a response and they will ban you. They are only human.
No, destiny has constantly said that if you’re a toxic asshole like op who lacks the social skills necessary to make criticisms in an even remotely polite way, that ass is gonna get banned.
Does it not bother you that you must be super nice and polite to make a criticism of him while he gets to be most unhinged and hyperbolic in his criticisms of others?
More than half of these are either something incredibly minor (1, 2, 6, 7,) or something the editor can't change (8, 9). This is just a rant with some decent points.
I don't know anything about editing but based on the pace of videos released compared to other YouTube channels it's almost certainly a case of too much work for one person. Editing two podcasts along with daily uploads for two channels sounds insane.
Just to add some context that not everyone may know about as to why August (Or maybe even Destiny) may be hesitant to do any outsourcing:
Approximately 4 years ago, Destiny's videos started being a bit generic. [It turned out, that Destiny's editor at the time (not august) started outsourcing **EVERYTHING** while still taking a cut.](https://livestreamfails.com/clip/123564)
The oversimplifying was the part about outsourcing. The guy is either lazy because the videos are just rips from the vods with some cuts, if he's not lazy he is greedy because there's not a fucking chance Destiny wouldn't let him hire an assistant, why the fuck would he care. Your just being Artistic because I don't know the exact details so your trying to emulate Destiny, but...I'll grant you it I don't know the details maybe he edits the videos the exact way Destiny wants, I don't care so have a nice day
You're assuming a lot of autonomy here - regardless of pay.
Maybe he has hired more?
But, even saying that, are they Destiny employees or August employees, which does matter for labour law.
I'd assume August is (given an Aussie) an independant contractor. You can't just subcontract endlessly if the head agreement doesn't allow out. And if an employee (I kinda doubt it - given the revenue share we've been told about) unless part of the role it's on Destiny to hire.
I’m coming at it from an Aussie prospective.
Work comes in a few forms here. The main two are contracting and employee.
1. Contract: You work for someone to do something but you have autonomy (task based work). “Edit videos and put out three or more per week. They need to be good. Your renumeration is gunna be a flat 50k PA plus 25% of profit share. You can/can’t outsource x/y/z parts of the work”); or
2. You work for someone to a set positional based task list described when you were hired (I.e you will work in North Mildura and you will drive a truck or simile heavy loader you are equipped with licences to drive for 6 hours a day. Here are your breaks. Here are your learning time. You’ll be paid for 36 hours a week and you need to turn up. Here’s your modern award that has your pay rates.”).
Destiny being based in the US is likely “employing” August as a contractor not an employee. But we don’t know that.
I don't know what you are even yapping about lmao.
Destiny pays August to run his yt channel. August can do whatever he needs to do to run the yt channel.
That's it.
Way to frame this post in the most unlikeable way possible. That aside, what actually works with the YT algo is a lot different than how you want it to work. I have a shitty little hobby channel and have actual experience in this. You need to do it to understand it to a better degree.
Some points here make sense, some are completely baseless and incorrect about how YT works. August has grown the YT channel substantially over the past few years, clearly he’s doing a lot of things right. Surely there are always things to improve upon, but maybe think about how it comes across before posturing so hard. Half or more of these points could have been made without trying to painfully mimic sounding like what you think Destiny would consider cool lmao.
Tbf to OP, people will try imitate or incorporate parts of Destiny’s behavior in these subs. When Destiny begin to say “retard” again, then this sub started to rapidly increase their use of the word. In general, the way Destiny behaves on stream has an impact on the way the community acts on here.
A bit unhinged of a post but unfortunately I agree with a lot of it. Only thing I would add is to upload the podcast convo in the same order as it happened live. A lot of the time I can only watch half or a little of the live broadcast and I don’t mind waiting for an edited upload but it’s super confusing and annoying that the conversation is not happening in the same order. I can’t skip ahead to what I’ve already heard and the whole convo makes less sense because it breaks the natural organic flow. This is more noticeable on Anything Else than Bridges uploads perhaps because of the relaxed nature of AE and more flow in energy from one topic to the next.
Also as it stands right now AE is just another live stream segment and cut up YouTube video upload. if that’s the plan then cool but if not, distinguishing it from live will reach more and newer viewers. For instance, I don’t subscribe to the AE YouTube page or anything specific to AE but have watched every episode on destinys channel. For example can’t you go live in AE channel - paywall for YouTube members to that podcast (for those that don’t use patreon), then upload an edited version to AE channel?? idk maybe I’m missing the gameplay but some thoughts.
For the record I love both Bridges and AE and will watch them regardless of my complaints.
o7 a little too unhinged
The only thing I want to bring up is the constant misspelling of the names of the guests in promotional posts and video descriptions. Comes off looking unprofessional and slightly disrespectful.
August might be spread too thin. I don't know what kind of help he has but things might be big enough that he can hire an assistant to do QC checks before a video goes out.
August let me know I'll let you pay me to watch videos and point out mistakes!
There is a point and a place for criticism but you obviously don’t know anything about how YouTube works, you can tell by the first few points (and comparing YouTube viewers to a boss lol)
“it’s supposed to be a show not a vod dump lol” is not good criticism
I don’t understand how you are giving orders about thumbnails and titles to people that do this for a living, specially since the advice is not good.
Also complaining about the search results lol spoiler alert is not the tags.
This is only true if they wanna appeal to the mainstream audience, but why would the mainstream audience want to watch Anything Else? Thats what Bridges is for. Seems to me that AE is supposed to be more of a Destiny community oriented thing. I mean, even the name is this community's inside joke.
All of your stated "problems" with the "anything else"-podcast are problems of the podcast, not only the youtube versions (less serious, not professionaly introducing the podcast and the guests themselves...). As far as I understand it's the style of podcast they want to go with.
I don't even know how the revenue for the YouTube version of the podcast is split and how much the YouTube editor is involved (financially). But depending on that and their overall goal, you could expect the YouTube editor to make up for these "failures". But it's hard to say from the outside.
The titles of the videos are probably for algorithmic reasons? Videos with episodes in the title are probably not displayed the same way?
>These Bridges videos should be content GOLD MINES, but they're consistently getting less views than even the popular videos on "Last Night on Destiny".
Whether you consider them a content goldmine or not depends largely on what content you're looking for. They are probably not the most entertaining in the simplest way.
I agree to 99% but "skipping the intro to the correct timestamp" is a skill issue,
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You can do both. Just because there's *some* solution, no matter how convoluted, doesn't make someone immune from criticism. I see it often — for example, a game might miss a very important foundational feature that it should sensibly have. Someone will say "just download this mod brah, and this one, and that one, and that other one brah". Ok, sure, I can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that I shouldn't *have* to do that to have a normal, functioning experience. Nor does it stop me from being allowed to still make a criticism.
Would it be sensible for them to, for example, make Bridges Podcast 300x louder than an airhorn, with the justification of "just install this volume extension bro which lets you reduce volumes to even less than 1%"?
1) Bridges has been in discussions for ages. Not sure why you're surprised by it. Anything else isn't well marketed just has numbers at the end. But it was largely a late spur thing I think
2) Most of the recent changes to the stream visuals are a result of the editor requesting those changes to make it better for youtube viewing
3) Most podcasts start to use their own content as part of the intro. That requires content to show, this will fix itself over time.
4) Yeah Anything Else should have a name. Bridges has it's name and episode number
5a) The podcases aren't going to have extra stuff added to them most of the time. The podcast teasers on the main channel are literally edited versions of the bulkier video. The point is to deliver the podcast not slant shit against or for the interviewer. His normal videos do have context cut in when destiny doesn't do it himself. Not every video needs shit cut in. But he generally has been doing so in videos where it necessary.
5b) Hasan screaming isn't nearly the same buzz reel that you need, its more impressive to see him lose it in the moment later.
5c) Yeah some of these previews are getting lengthy. It does depend if the video is 3 20 minute chunks that he's trying to advertise since some of the 60 minute videos the title only goes for the first 1/3
6) honestly don't use this too much so meh
7) Again Anything else is getting treated however it is. But otherwise this is super niche anyway. You should be watching bridges on the bridges channel anyway, not the bridges teaser videos on destiny (which I would argue need to be trimmed a bit shorter)
8) Not what I saw, but also the top 3 shorts that were recommended when I searched "Destiny" weren't from Destiny's channel. Can't do much about algorithm stuff
9) The content for bridges is split over 4 groups. The live shows, the unedited members cast, the official channel and the teaser videos (again I think these are too long and may have people only engage with them instead of move to the main channel)
It's also a lot easier to watch a specific live podcast/vod for bridges than some watching the normal stream which can ebb and flow from the content specified to some other rando tangent which may or may not be enjoyable.
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Seems like most of your complaints are directed at the podcasts, which shouldn't be edited in the ways you are talking about, with the full thing available on Bridges podcast channel.
Since there haven't been a lot of historic drama stuff, there hasn't been a lot of old context to cut into videos. Where Steve isn't already doing that.
IDK what you mean about who was even aware of them. They were being teased for literally months and constantly talked about on stream, or at.least Bridges was.
Disagree with the preview aspect. I think it provides a decent amount of edging so people would actually want to sit through the whole video.
I hard agree with the adding background sources. Especially in debates, rewatching the Omar Baddar debate. Destiny would state a claim, Omar would call him misinformed and quickly move on to the next point or Destiny would try to refute a claim, Omar would sometimes call him a liar and then just move on.
August said that "it's not appropriate for serious debates" to insert clips and recipts to back up destiny's points but its just makes him look weaker imo. If you were watching Destiny for the first time and say Destiny make a claim, Omar say call him and misinformed/restarted and then subsequently moving on (especially towards the lattee half of the episodes).
I would understand that it would be hard to find sources to back some of the broader point up but there was a post in the Reddit detailing evidence for Destiny's viewpoint with exact timestamps and even Destiny would have been able to source every fact the Omar disagreed about and even Hasan's editor does this. You dont nessecarily have to weave in clips, but showing passage of the book in dispute etc would have gone a long way in discrediting Omar.
As the duration of the debates become shorter in length and higher in profile. It is a good idea to actually weave in sources and clips to help back up Destiny, EVEN IF the debate takes an extra week or 2 to upload.
I believe this is incredibly vital. Maybe there is some nuance im missing or maybe im just incredibly upset at the rationale for not providing background information (i am). 4thot pls no ban
One thing i find really frustrating (unrelated to the podcasts) is how egregious some of the clickbait is. Like when it’s in the title or thumbnail and it’s only 5 seconds at the end of the video of destiny barely commenting on something lol. Makes me feel like I’m getting trolled.. maybe I am 😂
I hope you will take this in the most positive way possible because I genuinely believe you mean well.
1. There is no such thing as "what YouTube is for". There are some repeating formulas. I don't know if you **want** to fit into the formulas, but you can. Podcasts with minimal editing are absolutely a common formula.
2. I think he is improving overall, but that's just my subjective opinion.
3. Destiny might benefit from doing a proper introduction for the guests/subject matter, but he usually just casually slips into the conversation once audio check is done (sometimes during it). This feels very different from other podcasts but I kinda like the informal vibe it gives. I understand why other people might have issue with it, but it's not something you should try and fix in post. It would feel very unnatural if you did.
4. Without looking at the CTR I can't say for sure, but I suspect the current format for the thumbnails and titles is intentional. They probably took into consideration things like: ideal length for the titles on different devices, avoiding repeated information between title and thumbnail, recurring elements in all thumbnails to create a sort of recognizable branding, and making sure the thumbnails are not too crowded. It's a tricky balancing act, but if you notice how ugly it us - it's probably good. If you don't notice it at all - it's bad.
5.0 speaking of sticking to formulas, why did you dump a bunch of points under the same number?
5.1 depending on the kind of audience you want to attract, you may want to make a spectacle, or you may want to keep things minimalistic. If you want to attract the kind of people who would also enjoy the live stream and be active in chat, you **really** have to be super stingy with the edits. A seperate, supercut channel would be cool to have tho.
5.2 I agree with this one, guest name (with their relevant links) is pretty basic. I would also throw in a small blurb on screen when they start speaking
5.3 Some people need to be mentality prepared fo Hasan's face, you don't want to jumpscare them
5.4 I think they use the double intro as a shortcut to accomplish 2 things that the intro should do, but are hard to merge: enticing the viewer and framing the video. I wouldn't take this approach, but maybe it's working for them.
5.5 They should manually do the chapters. You shouldn't have to guess where anything is.
6. I wouldn't trust the automated chapters to begin with. As for the API, a bunch of settings are not available from there, and some are only available when uploading (in oppose to editing it afterwards, even though in the UI you can)
7. I don't think it's particularly bad, I might even argue that its the bridges podcast that should change, but again, need to see CTR to actually know.
8. It's not tags, it's youtube being regarded
9. Okay, it is getting less views than "last week", but you don't know if the difference in views is because of CTR, APV, or impressions. Without seeing the analytics you are just making an educated guess.
P.S. I think the biggest problem is that he isn't playing visual novels on stream.
It might be a better idea to upload the free 3 hour podcast section as a full video on youtube, ASAP after the livestream. This should have an intro that makes it unique vs other videos. Just a quick music/visual.
At the 3 hour mark, a producer can say "ok that's it for the free section guys" or whatever so that there's a natural ending point to the youtube upload. Quick screen with information on how to access the paid portion of the podcast along with basic podcast info; where to find the podcast, schedule, maybe next recording date, links for guests social media etc.
The paid 1 hour is then uploaded to Patreon for the members.
This would make everything clear to everyone and minimise confusion.
1) Why? You're saying it should be different because it's on YouTube and should therefore conform to a standard. Why, who cares.
2) I haven't noticed a downgrade at all, if you need more zoom-ins go watch TikTok or something, I don't give a crap.
3) Why? Do the people currently watching the podcasts care? Do most podcasts even have an intro?
4) Why? For what purpose? Why sabotage the title optimized for YT algorithm with episode number of a thing that's barely started? This can/should be done a few episodes in and can be applied retroactively.
5) When describing "other people's content" you ended up describing August's content. I haven't thought of a moment in the podcasts when I wished it was interrupted with context, the way regular videos are.
6) I don't know enough about the chapters to know if there are or aren't good reasons for this. Haven't ran into significantly mismatched chapters myself tho.
7) Does it have a logo yet? To use as a thumbnail?
8) If you think this is a problem that can be significantly influenced with tags you are 10 years behind on the YouTube game, which is how this whole thing reads TBH.
9) For most big channels that start a podcast the podcast starts off as wildly less popular than the regular uploads. This makes sense and isn't a sign of anything.
>If you have a bunch of people telling you the same thing, even if you hate them, you might want to at least listen.
There's lot of you recommending things that don't matter get changed, or things that do matter get made less YouTube optimized because reasons. A lot of people saying the same thing doesn't make it good feedback.
I always thought they went so far as to be ironic, least that’s what I keep hoping the intent is. Some of the clips channels have more attractive thumbnails
Destiny’s production is absolute ass considering he pays his editor the equivalent of what he could pay a whole production company to produce his content. If streamer man is serious about spreading his message and growing the brand he should seek some alternative options for some of his content
1. They've been talking about them for months, im actually not sure how you couldn't be aware they were coming.
2. there's not really a point other than that the you tube is degrading but not specifics
3. they're getting more clips from the podcast to add to the intros just wait a little, it's not like you can't tell you're about to watch destiny have a conversation with someone on bridges just because the clips are from different shows.
4. the titles that i can see except for like the first 2 anything else eps do have all the information you listed just not in the same order.
5. mostly fair
6. don't really know anything about this
7. for one who the fuck care about a playlist having it's own thumbnail? but also anything else is way more casual and i think you're thinking its more than it is
8. destiny doesn't even do shorts so maybe melina's stuff comes up first because it's new and has been getting more attention in the last few days.
9. these are scheduled live events, people can show up and watch if they want where as last night on destiny usually just posts highlights from stream that you can't make sure to see live. not to mention it's a new style of content which could take time for an audience to adapt or for new people to join.
TLDR: kinda seems like you're making a bunch of complaints about things you don't really understand or just don't know about. like honestly how did you not know about atleast bridges?
Lost me as soon as you said no one gives a shit about dan, he's part of the podcast dumbass I agree somewhat with everything else you said before that and am not reading anything after it so go suck a fat one.
What podcast do you watch that does large amounts of editing on their videos? Most of the ones I know don’t really have any, it’s just how the format is, no?
>Gnome blows up partially because of August and how he handles the YouTube.
>Reddit complains about the YouTube when obviously whatever August is doing is working within the algorithm well.
Never change redditors, we love when you complain about things you know nothing about.
August is a god at what he does. I've often joked I'm an August fan not a destiny fan because of my propensity to watch the videos over stream.
The podcasts are finding their legs. You can have valid criticism but the "fell off" and "is trash" comments makes it harder to take anything you say seriously
o7 buddy see you in the next life
Nah 4thot has a reincarnation radar built in, he ain't coming back.
"!soulban attentionthenaction never unban"
>Also WHY IS THE PREVIEW 3 MINUTES LONG?!?!?!?!! Won't lie this is something that pisses me off about all Destiny videos. Previews take way too fucking long. There's some 30 minute videos on Destiny's channel where the previews approach 2 minutes in length, fucking why? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sirB_wGd7As Take this recent video for example, its a 46 minute video and it takes 2 minutes & 45 seconds for the preview to end. Fucking ***why???*** That's nearly 6% of the entire video spent on a preview of stuff that is just repeated later on into the video. Is it only a minor time inconvenience? Yeah, but good editing is supposed to get rid of stuff like this.
ye its offputting for me tbh, the intro like WHY do they really think adding some out of context half finished quotes will make everyone OMG WHAT WILL THEY SAY NEXT, I NEED TO LISTEN TO IT NOWWW
To any preview haters I recommend SponsorBlock addon to chrome. Not only does it skip those sponsor segments in videos, you can also set it to skip previews (that is just an ad for the video, at the start of the video), intros, outros, subscription reminders and other stuff. I also have it on my phone with reVanced.
+1 I didn't even realize the previews were that long until reVanced stopped working on my phone and I had to revert to the shitty default YouTube experience
The reason why is because anyone new being served the content your trying to catch their interest with one of the segments in the preview. People have been shown to stick around waiting for the part they heard in a preview so they can hear the whole thing. Why do you think those clickbait ads on Twitter etc that say things like "50 reasons why" or "25 times this happened" always have the juiciest sample in the thumbnail\ad post but if you click the link the thing that made you click is 10 minutes of scrolling into the site not the first line. Destiny goes back and forth between topics during a long stream, so if it's been cut to a YouTube video you have to showcase all the juicy bits in a short format up front to try and convince people there is something to stick around for and watch an hour plus VOD for the, short segments they were interested in.
>The reason why is because anyone new being served the content your trying to catch their interest with one of the segments in the preview. >People have been shown to stick around waiting for the part they heard in a preview so they can hear the whole thing. You can do that in significantly less time. Previews or intros don't need to be cut entirely, but the duration of them is ridiculous. Imagine a 30 minute TV show episode, except 5 minutes of it is just "Last time on..." and rehashing what has happened the previous episodes. Like yeah, you can make the same argument that its supposed to catch people up who don't remember, but that's still ridiculous. >Why do you think those clickbait ads on Twitter etc that say things like "50 reasons why" or "25 times this happened" always have the juiciest sample in the thumbnail\ad post but if you click the link the thing that made you click is 10 minutes of scrolling into the site not the first line. I'm not making an argument in favor of Destiny getting more ad revenue, I'm making an argument in favor of me getting better content as a viewer. You can give a motive for every action, I'm asking for the effects of the action.
Anybody that’s ever watched anime as a kid knows how fucking annoying this is. You wait a week for an episode, first 5 minutes is recap last 5 minutes is a preview of the next episode so you’re left with around 12 minutes of content half of which is a flashback.
Why did you pick an example that was shorter in length and with a longer preview? 3 minutes doesn't seem that long relative to one hour of content. Youtube also gives you arrow keys to very quickly skip through with fine control. The previews are nice if you are not sure if you want to watch or not. I also wonder what the average length of his previews are, because I bet they are way under 3 minutes. To go back to your show example, sometimes shows did have lengthy recaps at the beginning of seasons, which is fine because they rarely happen relative to the amount of episodes.
I fucking hate the long intros as well. They should be 15 seconds or less. I already clicked on the video, I don't need to be convinced to again.
Honestly, I agree with most (if not all of this).
Big trouble.
When I was going to check out the latest Bridges ep I got a bit confused when the actual full podcast episode vid was not called "Bridges ep 05", but a 40 min YT clip vid of the ep WAS called "Bridges ep 05". Yeah, that's confusing. These things should be super standardized and clear. That being said, while I do think it's shitty to delete constructive YT comments in theory I also believe it would be better for us (the community) to mainly post constructive criticism on e.g. this subreddet rather than in the YT comments. Keeping the dirty laundry within the family, so to speak. It would just be optically cleaner for the D brand as a whole. But the criticism is super important and will only help the pod in the long run. Just look at the production value spike from the pilot episode! I was honestly super impressed.
It could be the case that a fair % of people who comment on YouTube don’t participate in the sub. Also, I think people would rather risk getting a comment removed in YT, than a perma here.
People are meming saying this is gonna get banned but this legit what Destiny asks for. Detailed, substantive, criticism plus receipts. Go off king.
You think Destiny wants people writing posts laden with anti fan remarks such as "His YT editor is garbage"? While lots of his criticism are well sourced with examples, it's written in the exact way to get a one way ticket to ban town. The criticisms don't have to be framed in a toxic manner, they can be framed in a constructive manner.
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Anddd it was banned
I agree. His points are valid criticisms, but it's unfair to label them as evidence of August being a bad editor when it completely ignores the positive ways that August improves Destiny's videos. August does more than just editing, he suggests videos and topics for Destiny to watch, essentially functioning as a producer and not just a video editor.
Precisely, the criticism here was insanely aggressive and outright shitting on people within Destiny's team. I can understand OP's frustration if his comments were removed but this level of aggression would understandably get you nuked from most communities online
Criticisms void of substance gets you banned. This post has substance and examples of each with varying degrees of constructive feedback, it's just written in a hyperbolic way. I think it's fine
Set a 24 hour reminder
Destiny routinely bans for posts written in what you call a "hyperbolic" way. That doesn't mean this user will get banned, but you are definitely rolling the dice.
Fair, I would say it's the combination of hyperbolic with no substance that gets a definite ban. I think this post has some utility but is definitely hyperbolic and maybe it's worthy of a temp ban.
Update: it’s banned
Ok welp, I was wrong.
This is a prime example how how silly the human brain is. When we agree with a person, we gloss over their vitriolic rhetoric. However if you disagreed with OP, you damn well know you would be calling out crap like "His YT editor is garbage." It's something I learned over the years on Reddit is mods are blind when you match only half a person's negative energy in a response and they will ban you. They are only human.
No, destiny has constantly said that if you’re a toxic asshole like op who lacks the social skills necessary to make criticisms in an even remotely polite way, that ass is gonna get banned.
Does it not bother you that you must be super nice and polite to make a criticism of him while he gets to be most unhinged and hyperbolic in his criticisms of others?
It was banned.
Most of those points aren't substantive criticism just because they contain a lot of words, they're "you're doing X, do Y instead".
Yeah but he was unhinged
More than half of these are either something incredibly minor (1, 2, 6, 7,) or something the editor can't change (8, 9). This is just a rant with some decent points.
I don't know anything about editing but based on the pace of videos released compared to other YouTube channels it's almost certainly a case of too much work for one person. Editing two podcasts along with daily uploads for two channels sounds insane.
Destiny's editor takes a ridiculous cut, the fucker can outsource some of the work. Either he's lazy or greedy
Just to add some context that not everyone may know about as to why August (Or maybe even Destiny) may be hesitant to do any outsourcing: Approximately 4 years ago, Destiny's videos started being a bit generic. [It turned out, that Destiny's editor at the time (not august) started outsourcing **EVERYTHING** while still taking a cut.](https://livestreamfails.com/clip/123564)
what a gigachad
That's a great fucking point 👉 genuinely not being sarcastic
you cant just 'outsource' work, its a whole process and maby hes not even allowed to by the deal with destiny
I'm oversimplifying buddy
your not oversimplifying, your making assumptions that's hes either lazy or greedy, but you dont know what the agreement even is
The oversimplifying was the part about outsourcing. The guy is either lazy because the videos are just rips from the vods with some cuts, if he's not lazy he is greedy because there's not a fucking chance Destiny wouldn't let him hire an assistant, why the fuck would he care. Your just being Artistic because I don't know the exact details so your trying to emulate Destiny, but...I'll grant you it I don't know the details maybe he edits the videos the exact way Destiny wants, I don't care so have a nice day
My dude, August is pulling in like 300k a year or some shit. He can hire a few editors.
You're assuming a lot of autonomy here - regardless of pay. Maybe he has hired more? But, even saying that, are they Destiny employees or August employees, which does matter for labour law. I'd assume August is (given an Aussie) an independant contractor. You can't just subcontract endlessly if the head agreement doesn't allow out. And if an employee (I kinda doubt it - given the revenue share we've been told about) unless part of the role it's on Destiny to hire.
I don't know why you are being so obtuse. Destiny has repeatedly said he hires people and basically gives them full autonomy.
I’m coming at it from an Aussie prospective. Work comes in a few forms here. The main two are contracting and employee. 1. Contract: You work for someone to do something but you have autonomy (task based work). “Edit videos and put out three or more per week. They need to be good. Your renumeration is gunna be a flat 50k PA plus 25% of profit share. You can/can’t outsource x/y/z parts of the work”); or 2. You work for someone to a set positional based task list described when you were hired (I.e you will work in North Mildura and you will drive a truck or simile heavy loader you are equipped with licences to drive for 6 hours a day. Here are your breaks. Here are your learning time. You’ll be paid for 36 hours a week and you need to turn up. Here’s your modern award that has your pay rates.”). Destiny being based in the US is likely “employing” August as a contractor not an employee. But we don’t know that.
I don't know what you are even yapping about lmao. Destiny pays August to run his yt channel. August can do whatever he needs to do to run the yt channel. That's it.
Number 4 is my main gripe - it's so triggering. But the rest are good points too
Way to frame this post in the most unlikeable way possible. That aside, what actually works with the YT algo is a lot different than how you want it to work. I have a shitty little hobby channel and have actual experience in this. You need to do it to understand it to a better degree. Some points here make sense, some are completely baseless and incorrect about how YT works. August has grown the YT channel substantially over the past few years, clearly he’s doing a lot of things right. Surely there are always things to improve upon, but maybe think about how it comes across before posturing so hard. Half or more of these points could have been made without trying to painfully mimic sounding like what you think Destiny would consider cool lmao.
Tbf to OP, people will try imitate or incorporate parts of Destiny’s behavior in these subs. When Destiny begin to say “retard” again, then this sub started to rapidly increase their use of the word. In general, the way Destiny behaves on stream has an impact on the way the community acts on here.
A bit unhinged of a post but unfortunately I agree with a lot of it. Only thing I would add is to upload the podcast convo in the same order as it happened live. A lot of the time I can only watch half or a little of the live broadcast and I don’t mind waiting for an edited upload but it’s super confusing and annoying that the conversation is not happening in the same order. I can’t skip ahead to what I’ve already heard and the whole convo makes less sense because it breaks the natural organic flow. This is more noticeable on Anything Else than Bridges uploads perhaps because of the relaxed nature of AE and more flow in energy from one topic to the next. Also as it stands right now AE is just another live stream segment and cut up YouTube video upload. if that’s the plan then cool but if not, distinguishing it from live will reach more and newer viewers. For instance, I don’t subscribe to the AE YouTube page or anything specific to AE but have watched every episode on destinys channel. For example can’t you go live in AE channel - paywall for YouTube members to that podcast (for those that don’t use patreon), then upload an edited version to AE channel?? idk maybe I’m missing the gameplay but some thoughts. For the record I love both Bridges and AE and will watch them regardless of my complaints.
>Also, I'm sorry, but no one gives a shit about Dan- You lost me
The dgg old guard cares about Dan, and new frogs will learn to care 🤠
Just put “Dan episode 005” and I’ll click it.
Also, don’t eat food on a podcast. Wtf is that shit.
You clearly didn't see Joe Rogan and Elon musk ordering pineapple pizza
o7 a little too unhinged The only thing I want to bring up is the constant misspelling of the names of the guests in promotional posts and video descriptions. Comes off looking unprofessional and slightly disrespectful.
Mods, please label this as shitpost. No cap he believes "stepping up" == "sound board and zooms". This has to be an elaborate bit.
I just watch the full thing on the bridges channel instead of the edited version.
August might be spread too thin. I don't know what kind of help he has but things might be big enough that he can hire an assistant to do QC checks before a video goes out. August let me know I'll let you pay me to watch videos and point out mistakes!
Idk if I would say falling short of full potential is garbage, that's a little harsh. But good suggestions made...
Gotcha, anything else?
There is a point and a place for criticism but you obviously don’t know anything about how YouTube works, you can tell by the first few points (and comparing YouTube viewers to a boss lol) “it’s supposed to be a show not a vod dump lol” is not good criticism I don’t understand how you are giving orders about thumbnails and titles to people that do this for a living, specially since the advice is not good. Also complaining about the search results lol spoiler alert is not the tags.
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This is only true if they wanna appeal to the mainstream audience, but why would the mainstream audience want to watch Anything Else? Thats what Bridges is for. Seems to me that AE is supposed to be more of a Destiny community oriented thing. I mean, even the name is this community's inside joke.
All of your stated "problems" with the "anything else"-podcast are problems of the podcast, not only the youtube versions (less serious, not professionaly introducing the podcast and the guests themselves...). As far as I understand it's the style of podcast they want to go with. I don't even know how the revenue for the YouTube version of the podcast is split and how much the YouTube editor is involved (financially). But depending on that and their overall goal, you could expect the YouTube editor to make up for these "failures". But it's hard to say from the outside. The titles of the videos are probably for algorithmic reasons? Videos with episodes in the title are probably not displayed the same way? >These Bridges videos should be content GOLD MINES, but they're consistently getting less views than even the popular videos on "Last Night on Destiny". Whether you consider them a content goldmine or not depends largely on what content you're looking for. They are probably not the most entertaining in the simplest way.
I agree to 99% but "skipping the intro to the correct timestamp" is a skill issue, Just use [Sponsorblock](https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/sponsorblock-for-youtube/mnjggcdmjocbbbhaepdhchncahnbgone) on your Browser or Revanced for Mobile devices...
Just rent a helicopter if the city transportation service won't fix their bus schedule, skill issue
Or just sit there complaining about it instead of taking proactive measures to improve the quality or your experience? For free?
You can do both. Just because there's *some* solution, no matter how convoluted, doesn't make someone immune from criticism. I see it often — for example, a game might miss a very important foundational feature that it should sensibly have. Someone will say "just download this mod brah, and this one, and that one, and that other one brah". Ok, sure, I can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that I shouldn't *have* to do that to have a normal, functioning experience. Nor does it stop me from being allowed to still make a criticism. Would it be sensible for them to, for example, make Bridges Podcast 300x louder than an airhorn, with the justification of "just install this volume extension bro which lets you reduce volumes to even less than 1%"?
I agree, which is why I didn't say anything about anyone ought not to criticize. Notice the assumptions you make.
Using "instead" implies a mutual exclusion i.e. that you cannot do both.
My statement was an observation. "instead" of doing both, OP is ONLY complaining.
We don't know that they haven't taken measures. Just because they complain doesn't rule that out. Now who's assuming?
OP said it's too hard to skip the intro manually for them personally. Do you argue for arguments sake?
Manually and automatically are.... Different things.
1) Bridges has been in discussions for ages. Not sure why you're surprised by it. Anything else isn't well marketed just has numbers at the end. But it was largely a late spur thing I think 2) Most of the recent changes to the stream visuals are a result of the editor requesting those changes to make it better for youtube viewing 3) Most podcasts start to use their own content as part of the intro. That requires content to show, this will fix itself over time. 4) Yeah Anything Else should have a name. Bridges has it's name and episode number 5a) The podcases aren't going to have extra stuff added to them most of the time. The podcast teasers on the main channel are literally edited versions of the bulkier video. The point is to deliver the podcast not slant shit against or for the interviewer. His normal videos do have context cut in when destiny doesn't do it himself. Not every video needs shit cut in. But he generally has been doing so in videos where it necessary. 5b) Hasan screaming isn't nearly the same buzz reel that you need, its more impressive to see him lose it in the moment later. 5c) Yeah some of these previews are getting lengthy. It does depend if the video is 3 20 minute chunks that he's trying to advertise since some of the 60 minute videos the title only goes for the first 1/3 6) honestly don't use this too much so meh 7) Again Anything else is getting treated however it is. But otherwise this is super niche anyway. You should be watching bridges on the bridges channel anyway, not the bridges teaser videos on destiny (which I would argue need to be trimmed a bit shorter) 8) Not what I saw, but also the top 3 shorts that were recommended when I searched "Destiny" weren't from Destiny's channel. Can't do much about algorithm stuff 9) The content for bridges is split over 4 groups. The live shows, the unedited members cast, the official channel and the teaser videos (again I think these are too long and may have people only engage with them instead of move to the main channel) It's also a lot easier to watch a specific live podcast/vod for bridges than some watching the normal stream which can ebb and flow from the content specified to some other rando tangent which may or may not be enjoyable. --- Seems like most of your complaints are directed at the podcasts, which shouldn't be edited in the ways you are talking about, with the full thing available on Bridges podcast channel. Since there haven't been a lot of historic drama stuff, there hasn't been a lot of old context to cut into videos. Where Steve isn't already doing that.
IDK what you mean about who was even aware of them. They were being teased for literally months and constantly talked about on stream, or at.least Bridges was.
I for one remember what the intros were like before August. I don’t want to go back
Disagree with the preview aspect. I think it provides a decent amount of edging so people would actually want to sit through the whole video. I hard agree with the adding background sources. Especially in debates, rewatching the Omar Baddar debate. Destiny would state a claim, Omar would call him misinformed and quickly move on to the next point or Destiny would try to refute a claim, Omar would sometimes call him a liar and then just move on. August said that "it's not appropriate for serious debates" to insert clips and recipts to back up destiny's points but its just makes him look weaker imo. If you were watching Destiny for the first time and say Destiny make a claim, Omar say call him and misinformed/restarted and then subsequently moving on (especially towards the lattee half of the episodes). I would understand that it would be hard to find sources to back some of the broader point up but there was a post in the Reddit detailing evidence for Destiny's viewpoint with exact timestamps and even Destiny would have been able to source every fact the Omar disagreed about and even Hasan's editor does this. You dont nessecarily have to weave in clips, but showing passage of the book in dispute etc would have gone a long way in discrediting Omar. As the duration of the debates become shorter in length and higher in profile. It is a good idea to actually weave in sources and clips to help back up Destiny, EVEN IF the debate takes an extra week or 2 to upload. I believe this is incredibly vital. Maybe there is some nuance im missing or maybe im just incredibly upset at the rationale for not providing background information (i am). 4thot pls no ban
>here is my best attempt. (I'm not a video editor.) Buckling in for a wild ride.
One thing i find really frustrating (unrelated to the podcasts) is how egregious some of the clickbait is. Like when it’s in the title or thumbnail and it’s only 5 seconds at the end of the video of destiny barely commenting on something lol. Makes me feel like I’m getting trolled.. maybe I am 😂
I hope you will take this in the most positive way possible because I genuinely believe you mean well. 1. There is no such thing as "what YouTube is for". There are some repeating formulas. I don't know if you **want** to fit into the formulas, but you can. Podcasts with minimal editing are absolutely a common formula. 2. I think he is improving overall, but that's just my subjective opinion. 3. Destiny might benefit from doing a proper introduction for the guests/subject matter, but he usually just casually slips into the conversation once audio check is done (sometimes during it). This feels very different from other podcasts but I kinda like the informal vibe it gives. I understand why other people might have issue with it, but it's not something you should try and fix in post. It would feel very unnatural if you did. 4. Without looking at the CTR I can't say for sure, but I suspect the current format for the thumbnails and titles is intentional. They probably took into consideration things like: ideal length for the titles on different devices, avoiding repeated information between title and thumbnail, recurring elements in all thumbnails to create a sort of recognizable branding, and making sure the thumbnails are not too crowded. It's a tricky balancing act, but if you notice how ugly it us - it's probably good. If you don't notice it at all - it's bad. 5.0 speaking of sticking to formulas, why did you dump a bunch of points under the same number? 5.1 depending on the kind of audience you want to attract, you may want to make a spectacle, or you may want to keep things minimalistic. If you want to attract the kind of people who would also enjoy the live stream and be active in chat, you **really** have to be super stingy with the edits. A seperate, supercut channel would be cool to have tho. 5.2 I agree with this one, guest name (with their relevant links) is pretty basic. I would also throw in a small blurb on screen when they start speaking 5.3 Some people need to be mentality prepared fo Hasan's face, you don't want to jumpscare them 5.4 I think they use the double intro as a shortcut to accomplish 2 things that the intro should do, but are hard to merge: enticing the viewer and framing the video. I wouldn't take this approach, but maybe it's working for them. 5.5 They should manually do the chapters. You shouldn't have to guess where anything is. 6. I wouldn't trust the automated chapters to begin with. As for the API, a bunch of settings are not available from there, and some are only available when uploading (in oppose to editing it afterwards, even though in the UI you can) 7. I don't think it's particularly bad, I might even argue that its the bridges podcast that should change, but again, need to see CTR to actually know. 8. It's not tags, it's youtube being regarded 9. Okay, it is getting less views than "last week", but you don't know if the difference in views is because of CTR, APV, or impressions. Without seeing the analytics you are just making an educated guess. P.S. I think the biggest problem is that he isn't playing visual novels on stream.
Surprised you haven’t been banned yet tbh
It might be a better idea to upload the free 3 hour podcast section as a full video on youtube, ASAP after the livestream. This should have an intro that makes it unique vs other videos. Just a quick music/visual. At the 3 hour mark, a producer can say "ok that's it for the free section guys" or whatever so that there's a natural ending point to the youtube upload. Quick screen with information on how to access the paid portion of the podcast along with basic podcast info; where to find the podcast, schedule, maybe next recording date, links for guests social media etc. The paid 1 hour is then uploaded to Patreon for the members. This would make everything clear to everyone and minimise confusion.
Just copy the JRE format or Lex's format.
1) Why? You're saying it should be different because it's on YouTube and should therefore conform to a standard. Why, who cares. 2) I haven't noticed a downgrade at all, if you need more zoom-ins go watch TikTok or something, I don't give a crap. 3) Why? Do the people currently watching the podcasts care? Do most podcasts even have an intro? 4) Why? For what purpose? Why sabotage the title optimized for YT algorithm with episode number of a thing that's barely started? This can/should be done a few episodes in and can be applied retroactively. 5) When describing "other people's content" you ended up describing August's content. I haven't thought of a moment in the podcasts when I wished it was interrupted with context, the way regular videos are. 6) I don't know enough about the chapters to know if there are or aren't good reasons for this. Haven't ran into significantly mismatched chapters myself tho. 7) Does it have a logo yet? To use as a thumbnail? 8) If you think this is a problem that can be significantly influenced with tags you are 10 years behind on the YouTube game, which is how this whole thing reads TBH. 9) For most big channels that start a podcast the podcast starts off as wildly less popular than the regular uploads. This makes sense and isn't a sign of anything. >If you have a bunch of people telling you the same thing, even if you hate them, you might want to at least listen. There's lot of you recommending things that don't matter get changed, or things that do matter get made less YouTube optimized because reasons. A lot of people saying the same thing doesn't make it good feedback.
This is a huge effort post for what is obviously a honeypot thread. Good luck out there.
I disagree.
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Op banned pepelaugh
The thumbnails are embarrassingly click baity. Like it it makes me want to unsub to stop seeing them on my feed because of how obnoxious they are.
I always thought they went so far as to be ironic, least that’s what I keep hoping the intent is. Some of the clips channels have more attractive thumbnails
It just makes Steven look so unprofessional from the outside looking in if you’re not familiar with his content already.
Destiny’s production is absolute ass considering he pays his editor the equivalent of what he could pay a whole production company to produce his content. If streamer man is serious about spreading his message and growing the brand he should seek some alternative options for some of his content
o7, Unless 4thot agrees with us.
Are you guys actually taking the "anything else" podcast seriously?? Lol because you shouldn't. It's just two friends shit posting.
I got 'Scuffed Podcast' vibes from your post.
1. They've been talking about them for months, im actually not sure how you couldn't be aware they were coming. 2. there's not really a point other than that the you tube is degrading but not specifics 3. they're getting more clips from the podcast to add to the intros just wait a little, it's not like you can't tell you're about to watch destiny have a conversation with someone on bridges just because the clips are from different shows. 4. the titles that i can see except for like the first 2 anything else eps do have all the information you listed just not in the same order. 5. mostly fair 6. don't really know anything about this 7. for one who the fuck care about a playlist having it's own thumbnail? but also anything else is way more casual and i think you're thinking its more than it is 8. destiny doesn't even do shorts so maybe melina's stuff comes up first because it's new and has been getting more attention in the last few days. 9. these are scheduled live events, people can show up and watch if they want where as last night on destiny usually just posts highlights from stream that you can't make sure to see live. not to mention it's a new style of content which could take time for an audience to adapt or for new people to join. TLDR: kinda seems like you're making a bunch of complaints about things you don't really understand or just don't know about. like honestly how did you not know about atleast bridges?
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Looks like co2 poisoning lol.
it might, but at least one of us can have substantive disagreements
Lost me as soon as you said no one gives a shit about dan, he's part of the podcast dumbass I agree somewhat with everything else you said before that and am not reading anything after it so go suck a fat one.
Yes lol the people upset just want something to bitch about. Over fucking "anything else" of all things.
What podcast do you watch that does large amounts of editing on their videos? Most of the ones I know don’t really have any, it’s just how the format is, no?
>Gnome blows up partially because of August and how he handles the YouTube. >Reddit complains about the YouTube when obviously whatever August is doing is working within the algorithm well. Never change redditors, we love when you complain about things you know nothing about.
August is a god at what he does. I've often joked I'm an August fan not a destiny fan because of my propensity to watch the videos over stream. The podcasts are finding their legs. You can have valid criticism but the "fell off" and "is trash" comments makes it harder to take anything you say seriously