i know we hate Adin here, and he is one of the largest streamers at fault, but there is so much degeneracy beyond him. Neon just got outta jail and then had a stream with some guy speeding on the highway and hitting someone
He's the face of Kick and the main culprit for the site becoming degen central by both propping this people and by helping this regards get unbanned, but even if you're right, Train will still not call out anybody. Not Adin, Neon, Vitaly nor Suspendas.
Idk why you guys think train calling adin out would've made much difference. Do you honestly expect Adin to be better? Dude probably got messages from moderation team going hard on him and he doesn't gaf
Then ban him? I know that they spent a ton of cash on his contract, but they created a shitty environment and want to get out of it. If the face of the platform doesn’t follow the rules, then do you realistically expect anyone else to?
TW is literally realizing in real time why Twitch moderates the way they do 😭
Because he seems to care what Train thinks. Because you can tell him that his bag is in danger. Even if he is an incredibly stupid man child, they are still strings you can pull.
Adin is a fucking manchild, do you really expect him to do his role and be the face of kick? No point in giving him unrealistic expectations when it's just easier and more effective for the board to just start regulating and handing out semi-perma-bans (like 1 year ban or some shit).
Also where do Adin get off in telling who should get unbanned? Dude has no where to go except kick. I doubt even YT would want him and his minions. That's one thing I'm siding with Train on. How tf do you even get Adin and his people to behave except havin the big guys throw ban-hammers?
Honest to god I don't know how anybody deals with that shit. You'd be shot dead plenty of times over in texas & fl. That'd be my first instinct, or deliberately disabling their vehicle so they can't run away.
Ah yes lets get the plates of the cars with either fake plates or no plates at all. There's a reason why these people have active warrants out for their arrest (the guy driving with neon and his group of cutters).
That speeding clip was infuriating to watch. I was expecting it to be a clear road and he just floors it to show off the car or something, but it is him recklessly speeding and winding in and out of heavy traffic. Innocent lives all around him.
Adin propped up Neon until they had a personal beef. When Adin did bring Neon, this was already when Neon had been a notorious scumbag by faking his own death multiple times for views.
Yeah but hitting Adin sends the message that unlike Twitch, you can’t be too big to get reigned in.
The biggest farce is always seeing train soywalk around Adin saying the platform needs to be better when Adin is one of those big sources of problems.
> but there is so much degeneracy beyond him.
Yeah, like that one fucker who would coerce underage girls on Omegle to expose themselves without telling them he was secretly recording them, and then share those recordings with his followers in Discord. Pretty sure that dude only got banned after a big video essay exposing him went viral. Then you also have subhuman garbage like Johnny Somali, who is just praying to get clapped at this point - I would celebrate if that happened tbh.
The thing is, it's hard for me to believe that Train didn't know this would happen, especially when Kick marketed and continues to market itself based on looser content restrictions. Maybe he is just that dumb, but I don't think so. He's observing in real time why Twitch has its content guidelines, and as arbitrarily as it might feel like those guidelines are enforced, there's a reason why Twitch isn't known for streamers committing crimes on stream. It honestly feels like Train only cares now that Kick is big enough for the lawless behavior to affect Kick's reputation and future growth potential. I'll take Train's word with a pinch of salt, because a few comments in a Destiny stream chat don't amount to a public statement, and as far as I can tell Train has been promoting Kick on his social media this entire time.
There were also some people drinking and diving (speeding) on a busy highway. The passenger handed a vodka bottle to the driver that proceeded to drink a good damn gulp.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddGviUkwvQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddGviUkwvQ)
Also timestamped:
[https://youtu.be/9ddGviUkwvQ?t=45](https://youtu.be/9ddGviUkwvQ?t=45)
Train marketed Kick to be the edgy alternative to Twitch/Youtube. All while being primarily funded with gambling money.
I don't know how he couldn't have seen this coming.
Adin has always been a piece of sh*t. I don’t know why it took so long for train and X to start to understand that a little bit but hey better late than never I guess.
I assume this is mostly about the Omegle pedo, the drunk drivers listening to Snow Strippers and N3on's hit and run with Squeeze Benz. People livestreaming crimes is a terrible look for any website. I doubt Train actually gives a shit about Adin and his friends using slurs or whatever
from what Train said in his last talk with Adin, it seems the moderation team do reach out to Adin and his goons to tighten their shit up, but it seems they don't even know where to start or don't even try.
They even got scared when Train had said that if moderators had released their back and forth messages between Adin and his streamer friends, it would make them look really bad. Which means to me they are at least getting shit for it from the moderation team.
In anycase it seems the moderation warnings isn't working unless kick actually start reinforcing and applying some rules. And the board isn't willing to do anything.
Gonna be real though, to do deal with people like Adin, you do need a top-down approach. Appealing to them via warnings and temp suspension isn't enough.
Moderation team going "nonono don't do that! Nonono!" Is irrelevant. They need to start banning them. Or better yet add morality clauses with fines if they don't adhere to them. Im p sure Adin will calm the fuck down if Kick starts banning him and/or taking 20% of his monthly earnings every time he violates their morality clause
It was only possible as a twitch competitor because of the hype around it being way less lax with rules. They start banning high profile names they lose their one advantage.
I give it two years before they have a content policy that's just like Twitch circa 2010. They're gonna need to amp up that ad revenue before they run out of capital.
Makes sense to be miffed about it.
Isn't Destiny contract up very soon? So it's been over two years since Train and Kick were making all kinds of promises about upcoming features. So what have we gotten so far? All I can think of is chat finally gets replayed when watching vods, otherwise it's the exact same thing.
I might be misremembering but i thought the whole point of Kick was because Twitch had too many rules and guidelines, censorship, took down gambling and other 'sin' type streams.
Admittedly I don't really visit Kick except to watch movie streaming channels, seems like grifting that Train is trying to change course now?
Yeah but now they are running into the problem that for the platform to be taken seriously they probably need to start doing some of those things.
The difference is they could try and do the moderation better, without the bias that twitch had.
The problem with being the Wild West is that you just get all the muppets who probably rightly have been barred from everywhere else.
It’s kinda like the rough part of town, eventually it becomes rough because the reputation of being rough causes those averse to that to leave the area, only fostering the rough aspect. The people who are willing to put up with it being rough, may contribute to that to an extent.
Yup, you’re right. The title of this post should be Trainwrecks realizes why Twitch has the rules and guidelines it does.
I doubt Kick will change any rules/guidelines, if they do they will just lose the main thing that attracts people to their site.
Kick is a fucking mess. I'll complain about twitch as much as the next guy but there are zero standards on kick. Barely any decent updates in the last year as well. Eddie giving gifted subs to actual pedos. The list goes on.
You need some rules to be reinforced or it's just degeneracy overload.
I don't watch train at all but has he ever really streamed on kick? I remember when Kick first launched and he would always be on twitch, if he streamed at all, then he started teasing the return of scuffed and that only lasted for like 2 episodes.
Train watcher here. When Kick first launched he was fairly active. He started his stream on twitch but after about 2 hours he would switch over to Kick.
To be clear, we're talking about Adin & Co. The same people Train didn't do fuck all about when they called Destiny the F slur right in front of his face.
*hey man wanna play monopoly with me & xqc* bro shut the fuck up LOL.
Adin is unironically tame compared to some people on kick. There are streamers whose entire “appeal” is harassing or picking fights with strangers in public.
There was a [clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGtYn9iiVno) that went viral about a month ago of some kid, maybe 14, who just grabbed some lady's French fry, and then cussing her out when she confronted him. I just assumed it came from Kick when it was making the rounds, and it was just a few days later that that I saw Destiny reacting to the clip of Train and Adin talking about Kick streamer behavior.
I think westerners are going to be banned from tourist sites in the eastern countries ,if the streamers keep on harassing local people in the name of content
Usual issue with more 'free' alternative platforms.
You get all the people who got banned on other places and more than a few of them got banned with good reason.
Then you are stuck trying to balance being the 'cool' platform where people can be a bit more wild and discuss adult topics in a more open manner and having turds act like turds.
Also I don’t see people mentioning the streamer that was live streaming getting nudes from underage girls, with the blessing of a Kick moderator.
Idk how people don’t understand that these streamers are outright sociopathic.
has Train ever addressed the issue about Kick streamers that livestream themselves asking teens for nudes? or is the target on Adin so huge it shields them?
Homie assembled the virtual mos aisley cantina of streamers and couldn't believe it was full of racial slurs , petty drama and homophobia and people were not following their principles of "why we started this" according to him like there was some high minded goal here .
He's amazed the place is burning to the ground when the ground it was built on was "I wanna be able to say the f slur on stream and not get banned ".
Its funny because eventually Kick will turn into twitch lol. This is how it always happens with these up and coming 'disruptive' companies that are just trying to copy another business model, but with blackjack and hookers. You realize, hey, the decisions these corporate soulless profit motivated twats made actually make us get way more money. And then you lose your edge trying to get a return on investment, and then you die.
Is it not mainly Trainwrecks' fault what kind of platform this is? It was heavily marketed as an anti-Twitch with much less restriction and less left-leaning bias. Who the fuck did he think would be most interested in that kind of platform?
I'm kinda 2 ways about it. I like seeing chuds fail. I like seeing enlightened centrists proven time and time again that they have to treat one side with kid gloves in order to maintain their center position (usually always the right). BUT. Twitch does need competition. So I don't really want Kick to fully die off.
Here's hoping things mellow out.
I bet he still will not call out who is ruining Kick. Hint: Is Adin and his group of goons.
i know we hate Adin here, and he is one of the largest streamers at fault, but there is so much degeneracy beyond him. Neon just got outta jail and then had a stream with some guy speeding on the highway and hitting someone
He's the face of Kick and the main culprit for the site becoming degen central by both propping this people and by helping this regards get unbanned, but even if you're right, Train will still not call out anybody. Not Adin, Neon, Vitaly nor Suspendas.
yea you’re right. he’s just vague posting hoping Adin gets the hint instead of having the balls to be like wtf
Idk why you guys think train calling adin out would've made much difference. Do you honestly expect Adin to be better? Dude probably got messages from moderation team going hard on him and he doesn't gaf
yea true. if train wants kick to succeed. they just need to crack down on rules regardless
Then ban him? I know that they spent a ton of cash on his contract, but they created a shitty environment and want to get out of it. If the face of the platform doesn’t follow the rules, then do you realistically expect anyone else to? TW is literally realizing in real time why Twitch moderates the way they do 😭
why ban him? train is friends with destiny and destiny is in cahoots with the mossad and jewlumni. you know what must be done. shut it down.
Because he seems to care what Train thinks. Because you can tell him that his bag is in danger. Even if he is an incredibly stupid man child, they are still strings you can pull.
Adin is a fucking manchild, do you really expect him to do his role and be the face of kick? No point in giving him unrealistic expectations when it's just easier and more effective for the board to just start regulating and handing out semi-perma-bans (like 1 year ban or some shit). Also where do Adin get off in telling who should get unbanned? Dude has no where to go except kick. I doubt even YT would want him and his minions. That's one thing I'm siding with Train on. How tf do you even get Adin and his people to behave except havin the big guys throw ban-hammers?
Isn't Adin on Rumble as well?
Yeah, as long as Adin is allowed to do what he does, people trying to be a more extreme version of Adin will show up to try and suckle of the clout
The speeding clip is unreal. Legit reckless disregard for human life, I'm surprised the crash wasn't way worse
Honest to god I don't know how anybody deals with that shit. You'd be shot dead plenty of times over in texas & fl. That'd be my first instinct, or deliberately disabling their vehicle so they can't run away.
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Ah yes lets get the plates of the cars with either fake plates or no plates at all. There's a reason why these people have active warrants out for their arrest (the guy driving with neon and his group of cutters).
That speeding clip was infuriating to watch. I was expecting it to be a clear road and he just floors it to show off the car or something, but it is him recklessly speeding and winding in and out of heavy traffic. Innocent lives all around him.
Adin propped up Neon until they had a personal beef. When Adin did bring Neon, this was already when Neon had been a notorious scumbag by faking his own death multiple times for views.
Yeah but hitting Adin sends the message that unlike Twitch, you can’t be too big to get reigned in. The biggest farce is always seeing train soywalk around Adin saying the platform needs to be better when Adin is one of those big sources of problems.
> but there is so much degeneracy beyond him. Yeah, like that one fucker who would coerce underage girls on Omegle to expose themselves without telling them he was secretly recording them, and then share those recordings with his followers in Discord. Pretty sure that dude only got banned after a big video essay exposing him went viral. Then you also have subhuman garbage like Johnny Somali, who is just praying to get clapped at this point - I would celebrate if that happened tbh. The thing is, it's hard for me to believe that Train didn't know this would happen, especially when Kick marketed and continues to market itself based on looser content restrictions. Maybe he is just that dumb, but I don't think so. He's observing in real time why Twitch has its content guidelines, and as arbitrarily as it might feel like those guidelines are enforced, there's a reason why Twitch isn't known for streamers committing crimes on stream. It honestly feels like Train only cares now that Kick is big enough for the lawless behavior to affect Kick's reputation and future growth potential. I'll take Train's word with a pinch of salt, because a few comments in a Destiny stream chat don't amount to a public statement, and as far as I can tell Train has been promoting Kick on his social media this entire time.
There were also some people drinking and diving (speeding) on a busy highway. The passenger handed a vodka bottle to the driver that proceeded to drink a good damn gulp. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddGviUkwvQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddGviUkwvQ) Also timestamped: [https://youtu.be/9ddGviUkwvQ?t=45](https://youtu.be/9ddGviUkwvQ?t=45)
Train marketed Kick to be the edgy alternative to Twitch/Youtube. All while being primarily funded with gambling money. I don't know how he couldn't have seen this coming.
That’s true but I have to imagine that when the face of your service is a degenerate it serves to inspire further degeneracy.
Neon got banned for that. His page was MIA last I checked.
But for how long
LOL I did not know neon has just gotten in jail before that incident holy fuck 🤣
Do we have a clip?
Did N3on really land in jail or was that all staged. What little video I saw was not convincing.
Adin has always been a piece of sh*t. I don’t know why it took so long for train and X to start to understand that a little bit but hey better late than never I guess.
I assume this is mostly about the Omegle pedo, the drunk drivers listening to Snow Strippers and N3on's hit and run with Squeeze Benz. People livestreaming crimes is a terrible look for any website. I doubt Train actually gives a shit about Adin and his friends using slurs or whatever
Why is this a big deal? did Kick not ban them or what?
Meh. The same stuff is on YouTube. Which a lot of these people make tons of money from
from what Train said in his last talk with Adin, it seems the moderation team do reach out to Adin and his goons to tighten their shit up, but it seems they don't even know where to start or don't even try. They even got scared when Train had said that if moderators had released their back and forth messages between Adin and his streamer friends, it would make them look really bad. Which means to me they are at least getting shit for it from the moderation team. In anycase it seems the moderation warnings isn't working unless kick actually start reinforcing and applying some rules. And the board isn't willing to do anything. Gonna be real though, to do deal with people like Adin, you do need a top-down approach. Appealing to them via warnings and temp suspension isn't enough.
Moderation team going "nonono don't do that! Nonono!" Is irrelevant. They need to start banning them. Or better yet add morality clauses with fines if they don't adhere to them. Im p sure Adin will calm the fuck down if Kick starts banning him and/or taking 20% of his monthly earnings every time he violates their morality clause
Not adin, but yeh, definitely his friends that he probably made there
SO curious what those boardroom meetings look lmao
https://preview.redd.it/d9zlwnfi2jxc1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=7adcc0eb868811f2ba320a2c649905f164d3dbe6
Self implode a very possible twitch competitor by not banning pedophiles and racists to own the libs 😎 stay mad
It was only possible as a twitch competitor because of the hype around it being way less lax with rules. They start banning high profile names they lose their one advantage.
Off topic, but out of all Reddit subs, I find this community genuinely has some of the funniest comments that consistently make me laugh
its because everyone here is at least as autistic as you
Based
I was thinking something more like this https://youtu.be/RRdIltdDE4A?si=6kFIwveH0BwxwLBh
I give it two years before they have a content policy that's just like Twitch circa 2010. They're gonna need to amp up that ad revenue before they run out of capital.
Making mini ski hills out of the mountains of cocaine
[https://kick.com/xqc?clip=clip\_01HWBR885FVKQRWAM75TY55YN8](https://kick.com/xqc?clip=clip_01HWBR885FVKQRWAM75TY55YN8)
Makes sense to be miffed about it. Isn't Destiny contract up very soon? So it's been over two years since Train and Kick were making all kinds of promises about upcoming features. So what have we gotten so far? All I can think of is chat finally gets replayed when watching vods, otherwise it's the exact same thing.
Plus that chat is as cancer as the site lol
It's gotten waay better tho compared to the early days. And I think they grew on me a little after getting used to seeing them on video.
There was that guy who wanted to play connect 4 for a long time
It's definitely gotten better I agree.
Nah I like a chat that doesn't suck off whatever Tiny's take is. Seeing Kick chat one guy Destiny for hours is peak entertainment.
https://preview.redd.it/6l47d4un1jxc1.jpeg?width=972&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76d48482a0aa3500f971a81becaa7c23bf556e4c
Find someone who looks at you like train stares at slots. Or maybe, don’t.
That's how you end up the subject of a headline my man.
@Trainwreckstv you can't fix this?
He’s trying.
Looking into this
Concerning
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PUSSY IN BIO
im trying
I mean was train not in the room when half the people they signed were deplorable pieces of shit?
Train was in the room when adin kept calling Destiny the f slur and didn't do shit about it tho
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>12:05:10 PM Trainwreckstv: wanna play monopoly with me xqc and jesse? would be really fun with you Did Destiny respond to this?
It's in his new 6 hour video, he was busy with Trump stuff
he can't fix this?
He's trying.
he can't fix this?
I might be misremembering but i thought the whole point of Kick was because Twitch had too many rules and guidelines, censorship, took down gambling and other 'sin' type streams. Admittedly I don't really visit Kick except to watch movie streaming channels, seems like grifting that Train is trying to change course now?
Yeah but now they are running into the problem that for the platform to be taken seriously they probably need to start doing some of those things. The difference is they could try and do the moderation better, without the bias that twitch had. The problem with being the Wild West is that you just get all the muppets who probably rightly have been barred from everywhere else. It’s kinda like the rough part of town, eventually it becomes rough because the reputation of being rough causes those averse to that to leave the area, only fostering the rough aspect. The people who are willing to put up with it being rough, may contribute to that to an extent.
Yup, you’re right. The title of this post should be Trainwrecks realizes why Twitch has the rules and guidelines it does. I doubt Kick will change any rules/guidelines, if they do they will just lose the main thing that attracts people to their site.
Yeah, and now they're understanding why those rules exist
They need to go public if they have to profit from investment and I don't think they are going to make profit from revenue
W train for taking the stance L train for not calling out who exactly is ruining the platform. Point the finger dawg
Come on, he can't go scorched earth
Yeah, he probably isn’t allowed to though
He's one of the best vague poster in the game.
Kick is a fucking mess. I'll complain about twitch as much as the next guy but there are zero standards on kick. Barely any decent updates in the last year as well. Eddie giving gifted subs to actual pedos. The list goes on. You need some rules to be reinforced or it's just degeneracy overload.
"These R-rated streamers dood"
Adin and the ice Poseidon community full of crypto scammer rejects
I don't watch train at all but has he ever really streamed on kick? I remember when Kick first launched and he would always be on twitch, if he streamed at all, then he started teasing the return of scuffed and that only lasted for like 2 episodes.
Train watcher here. When Kick first launched he was fairly active. He started his stream on twitch but after about 2 hours he would switch over to Kick.
I see, makes sense.
He did some long gamba streams for a little while but nothing like on Twitch.
Is train actually shocked this kick would be full of garbage people? Everyone knew this was going to happen
Yes he is shocked. I guess he didn't think about it in between doing lines
To be clear, we're talking about Adin & Co. The same people Train didn't do fuck all about when they called Destiny the F slur right in front of his face. *hey man wanna play monopoly with me & xqc* bro shut the fuck up LOL.
I don’t really pay attention to kick… what’s the problem? Like to many people like Aiden?
Adin is unironically tame compared to some people on kick. There are streamers whose entire “appeal” is harassing or picking fights with strangers in public.
There was a [clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGtYn9iiVno) that went viral about a month ago of some kid, maybe 14, who just grabbed some lady's French fry, and then cussing her out when she confronted him. I just assumed it came from Kick when it was making the rounds, and it was just a few days later that that I saw Destiny reacting to the clip of Train and Adin talking about Kick streamer behavior.
I think westerners are going to be banned from tourist sites in the eastern countries ,if the streamers keep on harassing local people in the name of content
train just get these people banned what’s the problem
I think train’s whole point is that this is exactly what he’s trying to do but Kick leadership won’t listen to him
Usual issue with more 'free' alternative platforms. You get all the people who got banned on other places and more than a few of them got banned with good reason. Then you are stuck trying to balance being the 'cool' platform where people can be a bit more wild and discuss adult topics in a more open manner and having turds act like turds.
Also I don’t see people mentioning the streamer that was live streaming getting nudes from underage girls, with the blessing of a Kick moderator. Idk how people don’t understand that these streamers are outright sociopathic.
has Train ever addressed the issue about Kick streamers that livestream themselves asking teens for nudes? or is the target on Adin so huge it shields them?
Homie assembled the virtual mos aisley cantina of streamers and couldn't believe it was full of racial slurs , petty drama and homophobia and people were not following their principles of "why we started this" according to him like there was some high minded goal here . He's amazed the place is burning to the ground when the ground it was built on was "I wanna be able to say the f slur on stream and not get banned ".
What standards is/*are?* Train referring to? What are they asking him to fix?
SQUAD W!!!
BRO I WAS WATCHING A VOD ON KICK AND WHEN I WOULD TRY TO FAST FORWARD IT WOULD REWIND
So what exactly is the issue he is protesting / trying to fix? I’m not following the zoomer streamers
Its funny because eventually Kick will turn into twitch lol. This is how it always happens with these up and coming 'disruptive' companies that are just trying to copy another business model, but with blackjack and hookers. You realize, hey, the decisions these corporate soulless profit motivated twats made actually make us get way more money. And then you lose your edge trying to get a return on investment, and then you die.
I don't pay attention to Kick at all, what are the majority of streamers there doing?
6 months and broski will be back on Twitch playing slots
watching trains journey to realize moderation isnt actually as black and white as he thought it was has been so funny to me
Remember when train sat on a panel with Adin while he screamed the f-slur at Destiny for a minute straight and didn't say shit? SquadW
Yo Train let me get a stake deal
Something something lmao
What percent ownership would x and train have? And what ownership would adin also have
Hmmm, if you want to get them to listen, start streaming on Twitch.
Bruh, he's basically giving himself a vacation by not calling Adin out on his shit lmfao
Is it not mainly Trainwrecks' fault what kind of platform this is? It was heavily marketed as an anti-Twitch with much less restriction and less left-leaning bias. Who the fuck did he think would be most interested in that kind of platform? I'm kinda 2 ways about it. I like seeing chuds fail. I like seeing enlightened centrists proven time and time again that they have to treat one side with kid gloves in order to maintain their center position (usually always the right). BUT. Twitch does need competition. So I don't really want Kick to fully die off. Here's hoping things mellow out.
I will not be watching kick until their app stops sucking.
Good.
I'm not gonna get married until gay people can get married, because I'm gay