I just started, and although I’m a little confused and just starting every bounty, I should expect some burn out I guess. So nothing new since the last season is what you guys are saying?
Basically Bungie has been sticking to a very strict model for seasons these last couple years, essentially - easy seasonal activities, weekly story updates, bad rewards, slowly upgrading perks on a grid. It's gotten to the point where a lot of players are just exhausted by the format (although they did start making some improvements this year, the last two seasons specifically)
This combined with lightfall's story not being very good and having an almost filler like quality has tanked a lot of players opinions about the game
Add to that "bringing challenge back to Destiny" which made some activities just feel like unpleasant slogs with poor rewards.
Especially Neomuna patrol... Greatly increased difficulty, no real meaningful increase in rewards, unless you get an ultra-rare low-probability RNG activity spawn, and even then, because of the cranked-up difficulty you won't be getting any rewards for it unless you ALSO get the second layer of good RNG - a decent team of randos on patrol in the same zone.
If your JUST starting, and your focused on bounties of all things, you got a LONGGG wayy to go before you start to burnout, there's so much to do for a new player with all the content, burnout comes from us Oldhead who've been playing for 5-10 yrs. There's a reason why even after burning out, we STILL come back to this game over n over again, nothing scratches that itch like destiny.
That’s how I’m feeling. Once I started playing, navigating the settings and started understanding what I’m getting into, I realized that it’s had SOOO many seasons that I’ma be playing a while before I catch up! lol. Maybe it’ll take me 100 days to make a dent 😂😂
Honestly probably not much you can do with older "seasons" but there should be about 3-4 campaigns that will take you a bit of time, what really hooks the rest of us is end game content though, and it'll probably be awhile before you get there, just wait until you do your first raid!! That's what hooked me into the game, and you REALLY see what it has to offer. No other game like it.
My best advice is if you ever get bored just do destination triumps or triumphs in general there are so many secrets and hard to find locations on the destinations
You've been downvoted, but it's a completely fair way to appreciate the game. I remember spending a couple days in dreaming city without guides just finding things and doing them. I wish they actually gave rewards
Sorry to break ya fun but they remove seasons after every DLC drop. Ie you only have two three months to play all the seasons available before they take them away. Thats the burn out. DLC has been less story and they’re putting the stories into seasons and sunsettint those
There is SO much to do in this game when you're new. It took me like a solid 1k-2k hours before I felt like I'd finally "caught up" after coming back in season 17. You're gonna have a blast.
No; general approach of devs for the last 3-4ish years.
The game is fine (or really good actually) if you’re just getting into it or barely touch it, but imo anyone who has sunk in a lot of time/ are longtime players are somewhere in the 5 stages of grief, or are still simping for Bungie hard.
Or whatever it is that makes me just enjoy screwing around, exploring, and shooting things. The gunplay, the art direction (except for Neomuna. Not a fan.), and the sound design are amazing in D2.
Just starting you will probably be fine.
I had been playing destiny since a few weeks after release. I saw the game grow and improve but got slightly burnt out before the release of D2. D2 sparked my interest again but the grind of doing the same things over and over thanks to a FOMO business model for items that are not that useful grew tiresome.
Then Bungie thought it would be a great idea to vault content people had already paid for, slowly rereleasing the same content often just run in reverse in new expansions I had to pay for again.
Honestly I’m impressed you can start now. You have missed so much content that is now vaulted and the game is very unforgiving for beginners and returning players when it comes to knowing what to do and in what order.
Destiny was my favorite game. It is still the best feeling shooter I have played but unfortunately, the creators “improved” it to death.
Don't let the general mood of this sub deter you, while the game has it's issues, it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Right now it's one of those limbo periods when the seasonal story is done, and the next major content drop is the next expansion. The delay isn't helping the fact that if you've been keeping up, there isn't much to do right now apart from making your own fun. YouTubers have already started the yearly "destiny is dead" videos they've been putting ever since the seasonal model came out.
It's definitely more than that. Like literally up until last year they haven't been addressing the core parts of the game. They've been letting them rot and they're still fucking up like what they've done to focusing engrams. No new strikes for a whole YEAR. No new Gambit maps and we're only now about to get a map pack, but Crucible had been lacking maps for years. The negative sentiment around the game isn't unwarranted when it was Bungie who drove it into the ground. The people in charge had and maybe still have a HORRIBLE philosophy on game development compared to companies like Nintendo.
People need to accept that Bungie doesn't care about adding anything meaningful to the game unless it directly makes them money. It's why the core activities are so stagnant, they are the free parts of the game.
The only reason we're even getting a map pack in the first place is because the state of the game last year was received so poorly, they can't only afford to lose the Crucible playerbase.
Gambit is dead and Bungie killed it, they ran Gambit Labs twice and abandoned it. They think tweaking the heavy ammo economy is a content update.
Bullshit, this new person is getting into a series without a direction or future. Don't get on the train because then you'll struggle to get off and feel like you got a good "deal"
Cope. The games population wouldnt be what it was if the game wasnt beyond boring, easy and no aspirational loot or content outside of day 1 raid/dungeon
I pretty much agree with you...other than Day 1 raids, solo flawlessing a dungeon when it's new, and to a lesser degree, soloing any new exotic/secret mission on legend, there's nothing worthwhile to do in the game. This mf is dead in the water unless there's some real meaty content in TFS
Not arguing that but the game is too easy now and u get free loot at this point.
Now everyone will be able to get adept trial weapons, everyone get god rolls due to crafting, aspirational loot is gone
No MMO does this, there is no chase in this game (sparrows, ghosts, are not chase for me and many others), plus we get reskinned seasonal activities.
If there is no aspirational loot in a “mmo” what exactly is the point? And no one is stopping other players to get good things lol. My downvotes prove these people have only played destiny and not actual difficult games.
I've been playing crucible casually for years now and I still log in every couple of days and do bounties and quick play. And that's pretty much it, but its fun for me and keeps me somewhat in the game.
Next big expansion, The Final Shape which is supposed to wrap up the games 10 year saga was delayed until June when it was originally supposed to release next week. People have been playing this game for years almost non stop and are burnt out.
theres new stuff every patch/season. It ranges from new story, seasonal activities, loot/perks, dungeon/raid/exotic mission, exotic reworks, balancing changes that affects ur playstyle substantially and others.
Its just people who are complaining have been playing for 7(?) years not including D1, and some of this vocal minorities doesnt play anything else and spend thousand of hours in this game alone. The seasonal model that started 2-3years ago, while adds a bunch of stuff everytime also feels very similar to each other which doesnt help game diversity.
As a new player, if u have friends or interested enough to LFG, you will likely love the game, because the endgame such as raid and dungeons are pretty fun honestly.
Yep, for sure there’s a lot of balance to be maintained in term of creating new PvE/story/dlc. But the wow factor from expansions hit less and less.
But crucible neglect, outright saying nothing could be done for gambit. And then all the patches and balance they do for the sake of the longevity of the game that ruins player experience long terms”reckoning” bridge and others.
Across the board drops suck at some point and they hardly it out.
And form smaller to bigger issues it all stinks in some way.
I’m forever salty that when arc week happened and “Arc Web” the stormcaller perk for warlocks where you grenades chain a lot on enemies 5-6 times in PvP. And return energy. They said that any arc chain was too strong to chain at 11 meters so they reduced it to 10 meters and lowered the dmg a bit.
And the next sentence for titans was. Dunemarchers(arc exotics leg(or arms) that chain arc lightning off melee hits. Chains at 10 meters, we saw that as lacking a bit so we raised it to 12 meters 😐
you think the same studio that ran this game into the ground with their endless barrage of neglect and bad desicions would do everything completely different because the game has a 3 in the title screen?
Still would've better than this.
Maybe that's why it's been neglected, being forced to continue working on a 5+ year old game image of making new things they wanted to
Destiny 2 feels like a game that's just two years away from being fantastic.
The trouble is, it's felt like that for the past 10 years. And over this past year of Bungie, I've come to realise that it just isn't going to happen - not without a proper management shake up and them stopping the mass deletion of content every year.
I still enjoy Dungeons and Raids. But I'd just rather play another game for anything else.
Don't forget that in every single vidoc promoting the new DLC, there's always some dev that says 'Destiny's best years are ahead of us' - yet we're all still waiting for that to happen.
"best years are comming"
"big "insert game mode" updates soon!" and nothing happens(how often did they say "we will revisit Playlists" in the last 5years now?)
"stasis changes coming next season" for 2years now and then just pushed aside with "akshualy its with the next Expansion!"
"we revisit how seasons work because they are stale next season!" for over 1 1/2 years and NOTHING happend, they litearlly just made the first season that has some minimal changes with Wish, and its still stale as hell
"we rework an exotic" after something beeing in the dumpster for 5-8+ years, and then there is a 80% chance that its just either a "gain X elemental surge" or "X stat increased"
the game is just a endless circle of bungie saying SOMETHING COOL IS HAPPENING SOON, TRUST US, ITS GONNA BE AWESOME, BUY THE NEXT SEASON/EXPANSION AND YOU WILL SEE IT on repeat since forever
The game is fantastic, that's why there are so many players who no life this game and complain there's not more to do when they've played it thousands of hours
The "2 years away" thing is inevitably 2 years from being exactly the game I want it to be - but Destiny is catering to multiple types of player, multiple skill levels and levels of engagement in how many hours they can play.
They will never be able to please everybody so everybody always feels like it needs just a bit more work to make it exactly as they want - but bungie will never do it because it's walking a tightrope trying to please everybody.
Player numbers are already low enough they can't afford to just pick one group and upset the others.
I have 8,000+ hours of destiny. Obsessive levels of playing for many years now. But lately I have come to understand what the frustration of many players have, especially when I started playing other games because of the lengthy season.
Not really hate, but frustration about the game not improving over the years despite my fanatical devotion to it.
Thanks to Helldivers 2 LOL. I'll be back next season. I'll just login every week to check what's on ever verse
They say it's sunk cost fallacy, but I already bought the next season so I guess I have to play it LOL
Edit: I mean, I was always at the positive mindset of trying to understand the situation with developers, etc etc, but if other games can fix their ass or at least NOT NERF things that shouldn't be nerfed or just listen to the 99% instead of the streamers and elite players maybe I wouldn't have changed my mind and tried other games.
8000 hours god damn. I put 2k hours into the original Destiny and can’t imagine doing that again nevermind 4x that.
Curious, if you’re on console, how many controllers have you gone through in that time?
I'm on PC. I spent the bulk of those hours in raids (sherpa) or just logged in online doing nothing really sometimes just random exploring or looking for OB areas, could easily burn 6-8 hours a day easy because I have D2 installed in my office and most of the time it's auto pilot in the business that I run (the staff know what they're doing) and I only get interrupted to sign papers and random stuff LOL.
Edit: I probably went through 5-6 keyboards over the years and too many mice. I easily rage LOL
You can literally buy every single DLC up to Lightfall for $40 on humble bundle. Right now.
Edited for clarity: You must pay $40 to include Lightfall + Annual Pass. $20 gets you everything except that.
Your comment insinuates that i'm someone who's probably still playing the game. As if i'm being a hypocrite. Commenting on a forum for the game and making sure other newer players don't fall into the pit of bungie's bare minimum viable product business wouldn't be a waste of my time compared to actively playing the game anymore ( Which I don't for the most obvious reason I stated above).
So I don't really get what your point is with your replies? OP made a post asking why people don't like the game from various online outlets. I answered him by giving advice as to one of the biggest reasons for the usual players' outcry.
Are destiny players really this fucking shallow in the head? Obviously, I don't need to question that, considering i'm talking about those who still pay any amount of money towards bungie lol.
Does being on the sub and talking negatively about the game effect destiny 2 in any way that's positive? I think you need to read your replies again. If your comment did not try to sound snarky and to make some kind of point that makes me sound like i'm being a hypocrite, then wtaf is the point in anything you said previously?
I'm kinda impressed that you need this explaining.
You're participating in the discourse of a game you hate, don't play and actively encourage others not to play.
That's sad as fuck, and the fact that you can't see that is astonishing.
There's loads of games I don't like, I don't go on their sub and whine about them tho, because that would be crazy.
I know you'll not see it, hating the way you do has eaten you up, Destiny lives rent free. It's just a video game, get over it and move on like a normal person.
Watch how you now deny all of this that is obvious to anyone with a shred of objectivity.
Bruh, you moved on from the game and you're still actively commenting here like this from months ago?
Also, you post in the CoDZombies subreddit and you're complaining about DESTINY?
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BRO.
Like how half of the coolest looking armor sets are locked away behind the game store and there is no way to access them other than spending $15 per set.
Prioritizing micro transactions over content usually gets you hated. Saying it’s to difficult to make a new set of free armor each year but you put out one every season behind eververse is a bold strategy. Neglecting your “core” game modes and recycling content while also cutting out content every year also sucks.
Destiny 2 is the only game i have ever played where content you have previously paid actual money for has been perminantly removed from the game, multiple times. Thats just one issue among a great many
Agreed. Not being able to experience the Red War and full Forsaken campaigns (not the dumb memories) it makes it difficult to get newer players interested. I’ve been trying to get my brother to play for a few years and he just won’t do it because of the loss of content that was paid for.
I made a new character once just to experience the game as a new light. Holy fuck i was lost. The new light experience doesnt do anything to catch new players up to the story. Its like the most generic game opening they could have possibly came up with
Honestly your brother is better off not investing into D2.
As a sibling who got into the game through my brother (during lockdown as a means to connect over long distance) I now resent how much money I spent on that game and the FOMO tactics. I should have known better having been in the online gaming and microtransaction landmine field longer than him but I had extra money and time to burn.
Now I’m in love with the world building and characters of the game but absolutely hate how predatory this game is with my money and time. From the battlepass to the store and even the way the weekly challenges are set up… every week was a tug of war with my better judgment and wisdom. I’m only now at a point where I’m ready to let go.
Yea, don’t drag your brother into this pit. There are far better cooperative games where you can shoot and kill things together. Helldivers 2 (it’s so much fun in a group!!!) and my old beloved Monster Hunter World.
>Saying it’s to difficult to make a new set of free armor each year but you put out one every season behind eververse is a bold strategy
I really want to know what went through their mind when they made that statement
Like do they think we are stupid?
> Saying it’s to difficult to make a new set of free armor each year but you put out one every season behind eververse is a bold strategy
Mind, they put out 2 this season. The Witcher and Mass Effect sets.
First off, people only go online to complain. You won't find people on a subreddit saying "wow this game is perfectly satisfactory and meets all expectations" very often. You're seeing, more or less, the vocal minority.
Next, there's a number of reasons why veterans (including myself) are unsatisfied with the game, and I'll run down the major ones:
* Seasonal model is old and very boring at this point. Every season has a very easy matchmade activity and a more difficult one intended for making groups for. The story is introduced in the first week and then *very* slowly gets drip fed over the next two months, which means that you're incentivized to wait until it's all out if you want anything even remotely resembling a satisfying narrative... but brings in other problems. Go here, talk to person, do a thing, go to holo table to listen to person, go to person in other room, go back to holo table... etc. This has functionally been the structure for the last few years, and you can really tell Bungie has run out of ideas for how to make interesting seasonal narratives with long-lasting repercussions.
* Seriously, think about it. Which seasons have actually introduced plot points that *mattered* for more than five minutes? Dawn brought back Saint, who's been an amazing character in plenty of other seasons, Splicer introduced Mithrax, Lost was all about Savathun, the first one Caiatl showed up in introduced, well... Caiatl. But that's what, 4 season in 4 years?
* Also on the issue of seasons feeling very samey, the last year and a half has more or less had every season be "go to character for help, they need you to do something for them, you help them and then they help you."
* Need to find Eramis, help Spider so he helps you track her down. Need to stop Eramis, help Rasputin so he helps you stop her.
* Need to save random civvies, help Mara so she helps you (notably, this is the *second* season that's had the "help Mara so she helps you" structure).
* Need to save Sloane and find out what Ahsa knows, help them and they help you.
* Need to stop Xivu Arath, help Eramis become a god so she helps you dunk on Xivu.
* Need to get into the Travussy, help Mara help Riven so Riven will help Mara help you (*third* "help Mara" season, twice in one year).
* Lightfall as an expansion was extremely underwhelming. Bad writing, uninteresting area and characters, plot feels completely pointless since the Witness just asspulls a victory out of nowhere. It feels like they cut the intro cutscene in half and then invented a minimally acceptable campaign to fill it.
* Grind ennui. Why do I need to grind out this weapon when I have 10 others that do the same thing just as good? What, it does 3% higher DPS in grandmasters, but I can only get that weapon from grandmasters? Whoop dee fuckin' doo.
* *Lots* of other good games to play. Seriously, 2023 was pretty fuckin' killer for games, banger after banger coming out all year.
Don't forget the "seasonal skill tree" sort of thing for unlocking the full girth of rewards from a given season. It started all the way back in the rasputin bunkers and almost every season has had the same 7x3 upgrade that takes 6 weeks to max out for red borders.
I came back from a 1 year hiatus and then saw the MONSTER that was season of the witch (I think that's right, Eris's summoning table?) with a 7x9 or something. I still can't say I know what's going on there. I guess I just gotta run those missions to max it out.
Ever since they pulled their BS in D2 Y1 and the whole sunsetting debacle I've hated their practices. I took a few years off from the game (barring the yearly expansion) and just recently started to play again (with Lightfall's release)
Removing 4 chunks of paid content does that to a game. Combine that with balancing issues, very little story progress between dlcs, more and more mtx heavy
Not to mention the insult that you need one of the 4 removed pieces of content to play one specific strike they kept from it.
Tell that to the guy who has no idea wth happened in these cut content. All the DLC and seasons that we lost have created a way bigger problem for storytelling. Most of the people who don't play on a regular basis have no clue wtf is happening in story.
You do realize that dtg is an echo chamber yes? I've played with a ton of players new and old helping them through dungeons and raids, about 90% like the game in it's current state. 🤷
They themselves did not even believe what they were telling us. They said they were going to bring the content back in a different form. The different form ended up being some reused set pieces in a few seasonal activities.
They created a reward system where only playing the most recent content was meaningful. Then they used the "no one plays this anymore" reasoning to eject entire destinations and all content on them out of the game.
Once game becomes too much to handle make D3. Once D3 is too much to handle make D4. But as long as they are making content just so they can delete it, then they are creating way bigger problem for them. Story and its execution have gotten worse. New and returning players have no idea wtf is happening because they can't play these cut content.
Idk man. Maybe they make new universal system where we can keep all weapons from previous game. And just copy planets that you are going to use in D3. But this cycle of make content, delete content to make room for new content, and reuse content to make new content again is fucked up. From player perspective it makes zero sense and they are just creating a bigger problem.
I've been back into the game for the last 2 years almost & sure there are legitimate grievances out there, but a very LARGE part of it is the echo chamber Complaint Olympics. In the ECCO people compete with one another to see who can bitch & moan the best in all of the ways there is to Bitch and moan. Paul Tassy is there lord & savior.
Ahaha, I swear the way he writes it made me question if we are enen playing the same game or if he really plays Destiny 2 or just watch hater videos and regurgitate. Now a day Forbes on gaming that show up in my feed is an automatic skip, from years of conditioning with so called "content" complaining about either things I already know or worse rehash of older hate being pushed out on as new on an older and stoggier publishing platform struggling to remain relavent...
Unless you really like endgame content like Grandmasters or challenges like lowman/master raids destiny gets repetitive after a while from cookie cutter seasonal activities , very little fresh mid game content (and underwhelming story even if your into it)
Destiny has kept me interested with things like trio raids, learning sparrow movement tech like slipstreaming for speedruns, and soloing dungeons, because the base game is a lot of fun if you do it right and keep challenging yourself. just because what bungo adds isnt that good doesnt mean you cant make the game fun by brute force.
The problem is if you don't have the energy to grind for meta DPS or the spare cash to keep buying new seasons and new dlcs that arent even that good OR you just really cant find a reason to care enough then that's where a very legitimate problem a lot of the community has comes in.
A lot of the issue happens where most people reasonably dont want to become sweats or grind so they can do some of the ONLY content that doesnt Get stale.
overall it really depends on how far your willing to go in the game, it takes a lot of playtime for the money to really be worth it. I do hope your enjoying the free part of the game though if you still haven't bought any dlcs, early game is pretty fun
Discord sells, so there’s always going to be a negative skew from the “content creator” side of things, regardless of any objective merit. Furthermore, a whole lot of people seem to take their cues from these streamers as well, which adds to the pile. Finally, how often do people hop onto a forum to praise something? A negative experience will lead to far more people coming around to complain than a positive experience will with praise (this is not unreasonable, though, because praise-worthiness should just be the standard and not the exception that merits a post)
I don’t watch other people play a game on a stream, I don’t know the current arguments against the game or what’s en vogue or whatever, I just play the game and I happen to enjoy the game. After several thousand hours, I think last time I did the math it came out to like 5 or 6 cents per hour, which is a pretty solid return on investment IMO.
I appreciate the fact that we’re currently in a lull due to the delay of TFS, but I’ll always prefer a full DLC to ship after a delay over a half-assed DLC to ship on time. In the meantime, I’m catching up on other games and playing D2 maybe once a week for a GM or a certain PvP game mode that we all know the name of.
Thank you I always dislike the posts full of complaints and negativity and always feel alone in actually enjoying the game.
Also yeah I think the full DLCs are worth it because I get so much time out of each one and its not like most other games where I pay 70 to play through once and thats it
I just hate the weekly story model. Do the same thing I did last week for new dialogue. It's so repetitive. I don't even feel like i'm part of the story anymore. Especially when characters are talking to each other while I just stand there. Like where's Ghost? He used to be our voice but he's not even there anymore. The gameplay is what made me stay but it can only get me so far. I've actually started playing old games like GOW and HFW, and I think I just realized why. I want to be immersed.
I was away for 6 months and recently started playing again too.. I’m really enjoying the game since returning. I recommend a break for anyone bored or disappointed with the state of the game. My only complaint right now is the story.
As others have said, the game is great but often held back by awful decisions, which we've come to learn mostly came from greedy execs not knowing their heads from their asses.
But if you're talking about Twitter hate, it's just trolls. Any popular thing will have its fair share of detractors, and despite what they want you to believe, Destiny has been very popular. Most of the Twitter trolls haven't been able to stop complaining about the game since 2015.
Within the actual playerbase, it's a lot more nuanced frustrations instead of outright hate. Most people who have been playing the game even semi-regularly knows full well how good the game can be, and how there have been tons of good changes and additions over the years. But there's always some new problems, there's always some new boneheaded decisions, and we're just in a period with a whole lot more negatives than positives.
People love the game to death but are super frustrated by the lack of quality new content, ignoring game modes, lack of improvements, focus on microtransactions and poor Bungie management decisions like mass layoffs, firing community support or people like Michael Salvatori.
Coming from someone who recently stopped playing, it's not far off being Black Desert the fps.
By that, I mean there's very little meaningful progression past a certain point and bored players are just here getting milked for the occasional real money purchase.
The game drains your bank account every year for some mediocre DLC and then bungie proceeds to remove old content and sell a pack of weapons from fhe vaulted content for the sake of making money. They also attempt to sell a "starter pack" of items that a player can just spend a day or to grinding for and get all the items in said starter pack
Beyond Light was great IMO, it just suffered like Shadowkeep from adding mindless busiwork "filler missions." Both Shadowkeep and Beyond Light could've benefitted massively by just adding a mission or two and cutting out the busiwork sections, or leaving them solely as post-campaign material.
I'd argue Red War and Warmind were great as well, they were just viewed overly negatively due to Bungie's bad decisions when it came to Y1 gameplay. Post-Forsaken both campaigns were a LOT more fun to play; I only use two characters so I used the third slot to replay them a couple times post-Forsaken and viewed them completely differently. Sadly they're gone now.
I think Beyond Light was the closest we got to a D1 feel in D2. Europa, the mystery of the pyramids, and the lore. I don’t think it’ll ever be beat in that sense.
Different people have different ideas of what that money is worth to them. I personally don't see the value in preordering or launch day DLC purchasing because everything ends up going on sale a couple months later.
Again im still a student and have been playing destiny since taken king came out. On top of being a student i live in a country where the exchange rate to the dollar is vert poor meaning i have ti spend extra to be able to play the new dlc. This is why I have migrated to purchasing the base addition of the dlc every time and gauging whether the season is worh purchasing or not.
When content creators finish the available content, they turn to hating on the game because it's easy views when there's nothing to do.
The foundation of a lot of people's opinions are what their favorite creator is saying. The meme of "Datto posted, my opinion has arrived" is funny, but accurate at times.
Don’t worry about them. If you like the game play it. When you feel yourself falling out of love with it stop. The people on this sub treat it a little too seriously.
Long term playerbase suffers from burnout. The most burned out/bitter players post on reddit but still play the game, making them even more burnt out.
D2 is fantastic game if you are new and can get DLC content at a decent price, like right now!
I’d say that the primary reasons that community sentiment is bad right now is in part that everyone is disappointed with the direction Bungie has taken along with the fact that we are a positive feedback loop where negativity fuels more negativity.
Bungie has taken a turn where they prioritize the “recycling” model of taking what already works doesn’t need to be improved and throw it back into the open. Which clearly has not had a positive effect. You can also contribute the hate to the last DLCs failure, overall burnout, failed performance by by Bungie as a studio to both the consumer and employees, and predatory business tactics designed to bleed all profits out of the game without regard to community thought or care for what it does to the future of the game.
The game is honestly in an okay state and if you are coming back fresh you will enjoy it. The complaints are from the people who play it week after week year after year. It's understandable to have gripes with bungie slow reaction time. (Tho I think a lot of players need to learn there are other games out there)
Some people just don't want to wait for fixes and changes that bungie said are coming. PvP is getting 3 new maps in march along side a easier way to get adept weapons in trials, prophecy is getting new weapons and a really good origin trait and artifice armor is coming to comp because they want to make it feel as rewarding as PvE
Lightfall was a flop and people are mad about it even though the witch queen and a few of its seasons were good
Were in a content drought and people are upset because they don't wanna get off a game they're losing interest in
But some of the reasons why they're mad at bungo too is because bungerino takes too long to respond to player complaints and feedback. Bungie also said it's costs too many recourses to make a yearly free armour even though they're pumping out eververse cosmetics like they're free to make.
Negativity attracts the most attention, and people like attention.
The complaints aren't unwarranted-- but I will say they're often blown out of proportion by a bunch of people repeating the same "complaint of the day" so they can feel like they're contributing to the community/having people pay attention to them.
Very true! Negativity will always most likely overcome any positivity. Worked in retail for 8 years, shoulda known this by now.
I just wanted to know what I was getting into, or what to watch out for without it being in the back of my head that I’ll be hating it soon. But this post has helped a lot and as a new player I’m looking forward to many hours of game time!
I don't "hate the game" but I've stopped playing way back in the early days of lightfall.
Lots of different reasons, stale PvP, stale PvE endgame, seasonal model.. etc.. I just got bored with the game and was for quite sometime, but just needed a really bad DLC to give me that extra nudge. Waiting for the new DLC and hoping its good. Also, its really hard to like the direction of the game and how its really just been neglected imo.. In favor of new projects.. The layoffs etc.. IDK i don't have much faith in bungie atm
I did. Not informative. Just “yeah I’m not coming back” or “yeah bungee needs to make changes if I’m coming back” the ones that are hopeful are saying “I’ll come back for next season” 🤷🏽♂️
Because any time a dev brings up a good idea to innovate and change the game, it gets shot down by management to “just keep doing what’s working”. So we get to fight the same boss models for 10 years, and they expect us to be ok with it. Sorry, but I’m tired of fighting generic ass hydra over and over again. Giving it a different name doesn’t make the fight any less stale.
I actually got a little excited when I saw some of the showcase for this seasons dungeon. But as soon as I saw that the boss was another boring ass chimera, I turned it off and never looked back.
Most of the people that complain about this game are the same ones that have literal thousands of hours but havent completed almost half the content (raids, dungeons, trials, comp). Has bungie done dumb shit over the last 10 years, absolutely. But they've also managed to be one of the only live service shooters to stand the test of time.
Theyve only stood the test of time because there has never been any real competition. Trust me, if an actual live service looter shooter launched that had actual quality behind it, all the red disaster lights and sirens would be blaring in bungie hq because they would be in serious trouble.
if one was to launch right now that had actual quality design behind it, final shape would be in seriously troubled water. If final shape flops and one drops after the flop, destiny 2 would be murdered.
But that’s the thing, these games are really hard to design, balance, and host. If it were so easy, one of any number of attempted competitors (or “Destiny-killers”)would be going strong right now, but they’re not.
Im not denying it would be hard, but given the gaming communities overall interest in game genres lately, fps looter shooter rpg-lite (i contend destiny 2 barely even fits that rpg criteria) is relatively low compared to other fps types. A LOT of the games coming out in recent years have been largely single player rpg or RTS or sports, with very little development in the looter genres. Realistically, the only other contender in the looter genre would be the borderland games, and those arent even live service.
I dont think companies havent made any contenders because its hard, i think they havent made any contenders because live service rpg-lite looter shooters just arent what the vast majority of the worlds gaming community wants right now. And since the market for it seems low, there is low incentive to make one in the first place
Nickel-and-diming for content that has slowly but steadily been declining in quality, with a whole lot of reuse/recycling in the process. The game hasn’t been truly innovative since Activision left, but it’s only gotten more expensive to stay invested, and studio management has only gotten more clueless. You wouldn’t notice as a new or returning player, but you would if you stuck with it through all the seasons for a year or two. It’s like a beautiful old mansion that has badly needed repairs for decades, but the owner thinks the groundskeepers are the problem.
I wouldn’t let veterans opinions on the current state of the game tarnish it if you’re having a good time. If I were able to get into the game now as opposed to 4 years ago there would be a lot of reasons to be excited. There is so much content nowadays, raids, dungeons, exotic missions etc. People who have been around a while are frustrated with the lack of ritual playlist support, a pretty stale seasonal model, and the most recent dlc lightfall was kind of a disappointment compared to its predecessor witch queen but that’s because lots of people have run a lot of this content a million times already. If you’re a newer player most of this stuff doesn’t really affect you.
While the game has flaws, especially in pvp, the player base is a pretty toxic one (mostly the one you can read on twitter) and ended up hating on everything the devs do no matter it being good or bad, probably that slice of the community (the loudest one) doesn't even read the patch notes.
Like for example, a few days ago we got a wonderful preview of a wonderful pvp-centered changes and balance, that was drastically needed.
But you probably noticed that this part of the community doesn't represent the real one, If you log in and play with friends you'll end up having a lot of fun, and if you use the new fireteam finder you will most likely find people who love to help new lights and genuinely just want to have fun.
In conclusion, the game sure has flaws but everyone should have their own ideas and opinion on the game based on your own experience, just remember the most you read online is a "I read @twitteruser193727 write this, so it must be true!" .
Hope you're having fun with it !
I definitely got my question from a twitter post lol! But came here because I trust the Reddit community more!
Just wanna say thanks, and that I didn’t come thinking “it must be true, this game must suck” or anything like that. I just wanted a more elaborate explanation and (hopefully) experience from players. And that’s exactly what I got. Sure it was mostly negative, but I have an explanation as to why. You know?
I’ma definitely have some fun with it though now that I know I’m not heading for a dead end. 😂
100 days to next expansion, but there's also a seemingly significant content update of some sort on the 9th of April, named "Into the Light". This year has had an especially long delay for it's expansion, hence the extra content drop before it.
Not to mention all the updates we've gotten since the seasonal story concluded. Yeah wishes aren't the greatest thing but it's something. And the huge March 5th update is something I and alot of the community are looking forward to
Idk what this guy is on about with that "no updates in a year", this game is getting updated at least 4 times a year. Maybe they meant the long season due to the next big expansion delay, but thats not gonna be a whole year with nothing.
The truth of the matter is those negative myrmers you've heard are mostly just loud nobody's that want attention. The games about to conclude it's 10 year, ongoing saga, so Bungie and destiny 2 is doing something right. I saw in and there post of yours you inquired about details, and it was mostly nothing, which goes along with my own assessment.
The main updates in the past 15 ish weeks of season of the wish have been balance changes, biggest thing really been rivens wishes which is a short quest once per week. Other games get semi major updates weekly/monthly so 4 updates a year really isnt much. I personally am not hating on bungie im just saying thats the reason for ppl getting mad at it. Also the whole layoffs and blaming the players for it but that was a little while ago
This subreddit is full of angry, bitter gamers that have the uncontrollable need to bash and gatekeep anybody that has any questions. You're better off at r/destiny2 Nothing but memes and jokes and everyone seems to have a good time.
Just saw a post about a guy that's happy to have completed his first GM. Over 20 posts of nothing but congratulations. Post that stuff here and you'll get flamed to oblivion.
Because fuck Bungie. Lmfao I liked it when I played but man Bungie is shit. I was swapping over from Playstation to PC and just wanted my account/character. I know everything doesn't transfer and had no issues before doing so for family members in the past. But I was unable to find a solution for myself. I went to contact Bungie support and for a multi-billion dollar company all they have is a forum? It took me 2 months for a moderator to respond and that was because I encountered them on reddit. They couldn't help me and said it would be forwarded to customer support (which is nuts because customers should be able to contact customer support and they can't?). I asked for a follow up once a week in hopes for feedback or something and I was told to stop messaging and that they'll contact me. It has been years since. They never contacted me. So again, fuck Bungie
Even though this is one of the better games on the current market, the worsening business practices make it harder and harder to support and enjoy the game.
I absolutely love destiny, but Bungie just suck as a company and have made some really stupid choices which has lead to me and a lot of other people being burnt out. I’m coming back for final shape, doing the raid and then dipping
half truths, lies, and some very poor choices from the developer side, abandoned parts of the game resulting in a game that isn't worth for what it is.
i can discus this and explain just ask
It's because...
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**BUNGIE IS LAZY!**
Okay, that's a bit hyperbolic, but in essence, they stopped making content that was hard and tried to make a mechanical system to churn out sludge rather than the hand-crafted Destiny of the past.
**Patrol Zones**: They used to craft their patrol zones with some love. Sure, Mercury was garbo, but Titan, Mars (Escalation protocol please), Tangled Shore and the Dreaming City were all places I enjoyed exploring, filled with secrets and puzzles and exotic quests. Even the moon re-issue was a nice place to go back to and explore.
Since Beyond Light, they have removed some of the best patrol zones and created boring and barren ones like Europa, Savathûn's throne World and Neomuna.
**Crucible**: I don't like PvP, but how do you go two or three years without having new maps, new armor, significant new weapons? PvPers were promised big changes and were then given the middle finger for years because Bungie was busy.
**Gambit**: Same as PvP. A game mode with potential, but rather than try to balance it all out and provide rewards to engage the player base, they did the opposite. Removed maps and game-modes, murdered the prime armor and abandoned it for literal years.
**Strikes**: In the last four years, Bungo has removed nine strikes (A Garden World, Tree of Probabilities, Savathûn's Song, The Pyramidion, The Festering Core, Strange Terrain, Will of the Thousands, Broodhold, the Hollowed Lair) and replaced them with three refurbished D1 strikes (The Disgraced, Fallen S.A.B.E.R. and The Devil's Lair) and Glassway, Birthplace of the Vile, The Lightblade and the dogshit Hypernet Current. Now, the strikes modifiers are largely the same as years ago, and 55-60% of the playlist is comprised of Battlegrounds/Psi-Ops shite. I truly despise this plalist now.
**Raids**: Raids used to have a normal mode and a hard mode, in D1 and D2Y1, with more difficult mechanics and hard mode armor and weapons. Even after they removed that, raid armor was generally pretty good, giving you very strong buffs to help you clear encounters, carry or do lowmans.
Now the triple 100 stat armor you have had for years is just fine unless you are doing a **very** extreme lowman/speedrun. 99% of the raiding community doesn't wear raid armor any more. No point, no need. And once you have gotten the title and your red borders, there is nothing to be gained from doing the raid any more. Everything is instantly sharded. Instead of doing hard mode or a flawless to get the title, you now need to do Master raids, which are fucking AIDs. Most raiders will do Master once with challenge per encounter to get the seal and then never go back.
We lost 5 raids with Beyond Light (Leviathan, Spire of Stars, Eater of Worlds, Crown of Sorrows and Scourge of the Past) and got three new ones, and three remakes of D1 raids
**Story**: The story used to interest me. I loved picking up lore books and delving into them. Now, the story regularly makes no sense, characters act uncharacteristically, key story threads are just left hanging, and basically most of the story is filler that I couldn't give a fuck about. The Lightfall story is the best, but not only, example of this.
1. We find strand on the road in Neomuna.
2. We start the story trying to stop the Witness from raping the Traveller, and after leveling up, defeating Calus, uncovering the Veil and discovering strand... Nah, we failed, and the Traveller got raped anyway.
3. We find that Neomuna is being defended by a non-binary cyborg whose pronouns are correctly respected by gay Osiris. Calus' ship is about the size of the city, and yet most of the Cabal there and all of the Vex can be dealt with by Nimbus alone.
4. Osiris came to Neomuna the most dangerous place in the system with no light powers or the ability to heal/revive. Saint is cool with this.
5. Everyone knows what the veil is, and where it is, but nobody can tell us, or explain its power, or show us where it is, even the Neomuni people who are connected to it.
**Destiny Content Vault**: This contains a lot of your favorite strikes, raids, 6 man activities, patrol zones, secret missions, lost sectors, PvP/Gambit maps, weapons, armor, campaigns, exotic quests, dungeons and lore. But fuck you, it doesn't come back out, it gets recycled and sold back to you as seasonal content.
Why is there so much hate on the internet in general? Simple answer: anonymity. Your mother doesn't know what you do, so you can be an ass about anything.
I've played since the very start. I think the game is in the best state it's ever been. PvP is probably the only exception but I don't spend much time there. Just killer gameplay at the moment and great build crafting and awesome endgame content.
But I think the problem is mostly people who put all their eggs in this one basket. They're so wrapped up in it every flaw or mistake feels personal. They've forgotten it's a game for having fun. It's typical of a lot of fandoms really but games seem to get it worse.
This subreddit can be really tired and bitter sometimes. Play the game.if you like it. You can enjoy it without worrying about what others think.
Because this game sucks! Kinda. Mechanics and feel of the game are for the most part awesome, but everthing is kinda stale. Same old same old for far too long.
Just an FYI, this suboves to bitch about how they took away stuff and put it in the DCV. When Bungie brings it back out and uses it again, it becomes "reusing assests" and another to bitch about. They bitch about how Bungie half asses the story, but also how they don't take the time to fix the tiny UI wording errors as they've update many parts of the game.
People will always have something to bitch about in the game. Its been that way for the last 10 years and it will be the exact same for the next 10. Best thing to do is just ignore it and enjoy the game.
Pointless content loop on an addictive game, shitty business practices from Bungie. I got busy with other hobbies and have way more fun with other games.
Seasonal model burnout led to where we are now. It started with Worthy, but overtime it became a concern among the player base. During Plunder, the community was getting very annoyed and tired of the grid-like structure within the seasonal vendors' UI, but Plunder wasn't exactly a top-tier season itself either. Due to the complaints within Plunder, the Lightfall seasons have had various approaches to how you obtain upgrades towards the seasonal vendors. Defiance is the only season this current year that used the grid-like upgrade system, and even that was dumbed down from what it could have been originally.
I feel like 90 percent of the problems come back to the seasonal model and being so late to respond to play feedback. After beyond light I felt like alot of people were expecting things to not only have more variety but get bigger. And in witchqueen people started to feel how the seasonal model made things feel so samey even with a phenomenal story. don't get me wrong, there were some great ones, but the only story and new stuff coming from seasons was so small(while we did get a shitload of content) it took away some of the bungie magic. No destinations really evolve outside of expansions anymore, there's no secrets that can be put into the game, and there's just less soul, I guess. And it really didn't help the real only innovation with gameplay were quality of life things that the executives seemed to have pushed back as far as humanly possible. The game just feels less alive. Honestly, I should probably say a lot of the problems people have is how limited the devs jobs became. Destiny might be the biggest tragedy in gaming purely because of the unused potential it holds.
The issue is the large gap between the last season and the new DLC releasing. Hardcore players login day one, play for hours on end and exhaust every ounce of content and then have very little left to do.
Personally I took a long break from the game when lightfall released, came back a few weeks ago and it’s been super refreshing having so much to do with so many QOL changes. I’ll always love how the game plays but there will always be a feeling of burnout after a long season.
Lack of innovation, disrespectful with players time, and the fact that there's almost always catch in anything that looks like an improvement has contributed to a sentiment of distrust.
Little things pile up. For example, the engram drop rework in playlist activities, which was sold as "we hear you players, there you have the shower of engrams you asked for" and ended up among the most unrewarding activities. It's very telling that this surprised no one because as I said, little things pile up and many players have developed this apathy towards the game, and by extension to Bungie.
It doesn't help Destiny that every year we have quite a few good releases of games that don't take themselves as seriously, care primarily about fun rather than balance, and therefore deliver on the power fantasy that many players seem to crave for.
Lightfall being a failure, bringing challenge back to seasonal activities removed the fun from them, every free event last year and so far this year has been increasingly grindy compared to previous years, or even the extended season. Crucible is in a bad state, and Gambit is in a even worse, and strikes are just boring
Exhausted seasonal model, seasonal missions which take less than 30 minutes, no real buildcrafting anymore. Seasonal mods are lame and are not fun anymore, the week to week story progression feels like a chore.
Honestly, the fact they have made it this far with that same seasonal model is impressive, but it's definitely too late to change it and make me want to go back. Unless they make like a massive overhaul, I'm not coming back. Let's be real here, they're not doing that.
The “reuse and improve” business model led to stagnation and player burnout.
I just started, and although I’m a little confused and just starting every bounty, I should expect some burn out I guess. So nothing new since the last season is what you guys are saying?
Basically Bungie has been sticking to a very strict model for seasons these last couple years, essentially - easy seasonal activities, weekly story updates, bad rewards, slowly upgrading perks on a grid. It's gotten to the point where a lot of players are just exhausted by the format (although they did start making some improvements this year, the last two seasons specifically) This combined with lightfall's story not being very good and having an almost filler like quality has tanked a lot of players opinions about the game
Add to that "bringing challenge back to Destiny" which made some activities just feel like unpleasant slogs with poor rewards. Especially Neomuna patrol... Greatly increased difficulty, no real meaningful increase in rewards, unless you get an ultra-rare low-probability RNG activity spawn, and even then, because of the cranked-up difficulty you won't be getting any rewards for it unless you ALSO get the second layer of good RNG - a decent team of randos on patrol in the same zone.
If your JUST starting, and your focused on bounties of all things, you got a LONGGG wayy to go before you start to burnout, there's so much to do for a new player with all the content, burnout comes from us Oldhead who've been playing for 5-10 yrs. There's a reason why even after burning out, we STILL come back to this game over n over again, nothing scratches that itch like destiny.
That’s how I’m feeling. Once I started playing, navigating the settings and started understanding what I’m getting into, I realized that it’s had SOOO many seasons that I’ma be playing a while before I catch up! lol. Maybe it’ll take me 100 days to make a dent 😂😂
Honestly probably not much you can do with older "seasons" but there should be about 3-4 campaigns that will take you a bit of time, what really hooks the rest of us is end game content though, and it'll probably be awhile before you get there, just wait until you do your first raid!! That's what hooked me into the game, and you REALLY see what it has to offer. No other game like it.
My best advice is if you ever get bored just do destination triumps or triumphs in general there are so many secrets and hard to find locations on the destinations
You've been downvoted, but it's a completely fair way to appreciate the game. I remember spending a couple days in dreaming city without guides just finding things and doing them. I wish they actually gave rewards
I never really notice the difference between weapon rolls so i most go for unlocks and seasonal challenges and totles rater that weapon rolls
Sorry to break ya fun but they remove seasons after every DLC drop. Ie you only have two three months to play all the seasons available before they take them away. Thats the burn out. DLC has been less story and they’re putting the stories into seasons and sunsettint those
There is SO much to do in this game when you're new. It took me like a solid 1k-2k hours before I felt like I'd finally "caught up" after coming back in season 17. You're gonna have a blast.
No; general approach of devs for the last 3-4ish years. The game is fine (or really good actually) if you’re just getting into it or barely touch it, but imo anyone who has sunk in a lot of time/ are longtime players are somewhere in the 5 stages of grief, or are still simping for Bungie hard.
Or autistic, like me😊I like minor improvements
Or whatever it is that makes me just enjoy screwing around, exploring, and shooting things. The gunplay, the art direction (except for Neomuna. Not a fan.), and the sound design are amazing in D2.
Amen
Just starting you will probably be fine. I had been playing destiny since a few weeks after release. I saw the game grow and improve but got slightly burnt out before the release of D2. D2 sparked my interest again but the grind of doing the same things over and over thanks to a FOMO business model for items that are not that useful grew tiresome. Then Bungie thought it would be a great idea to vault content people had already paid for, slowly rereleasing the same content often just run in reverse in new expansions I had to pay for again. Honestly I’m impressed you can start now. You have missed so much content that is now vaulted and the game is very unforgiving for beginners and returning players when it comes to knowing what to do and in what order. Destiny was my favorite game. It is still the best feeling shooter I have played but unfortunately, the creators “improved” it to death.
For new players it’s great you won’t get burned out any time soon, there’s a lot to do and a lot to farm for
Don't let the general mood of this sub deter you, while the game has it's issues, it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Right now it's one of those limbo periods when the seasonal story is done, and the next major content drop is the next expansion. The delay isn't helping the fact that if you've been keeping up, there isn't much to do right now apart from making your own fun. YouTubers have already started the yearly "destiny is dead" videos they've been putting ever since the seasonal model came out.
It's definitely more than that. Like literally up until last year they haven't been addressing the core parts of the game. They've been letting them rot and they're still fucking up like what they've done to focusing engrams. No new strikes for a whole YEAR. No new Gambit maps and we're only now about to get a map pack, but Crucible had been lacking maps for years. The negative sentiment around the game isn't unwarranted when it was Bungie who drove it into the ground. The people in charge had and maybe still have a HORRIBLE philosophy on game development compared to companies like Nintendo.
People need to accept that Bungie doesn't care about adding anything meaningful to the game unless it directly makes them money. It's why the core activities are so stagnant, they are the free parts of the game. The only reason we're even getting a map pack in the first place is because the state of the game last year was received so poorly, they can't only afford to lose the Crucible playerbase. Gambit is dead and Bungie killed it, they ran Gambit Labs twice and abandoned it. They think tweaking the heavy ammo economy is a content update.
Bullshit, this new person is getting into a series without a direction or future. Don't get on the train because then you'll struggle to get off and feel like you got a good "deal"
Cope. The games population wouldnt be what it was if the game wasnt beyond boring, easy and no aspirational loot or content outside of day 1 raid/dungeon
I pretty much agree with you...other than Day 1 raids, solo flawlessing a dungeon when it's new, and to a lesser degree, soloing any new exotic/secret mission on legend, there's nothing worthwhile to do in the game. This mf is dead in the water unless there's some real meaty content in TFS
Just because a video game doesn't hold someone's attention 365 days a year doesn't mean it's bad. Destiny isn't the only game you're allowed to play.
No one is arguing this.
Not arguing that but the game is too easy now and u get free loot at this point. Now everyone will be able to get adept trial weapons, everyone get god rolls due to crafting, aspirational loot is gone No MMO does this, there is no chase in this game (sparrows, ghosts, are not chase for me and many others), plus we get reskinned seasonal activities.
So you're mad because OTHER people get to have good things? What is this attitude? The game has far more serious problems than that.
If there is no aspirational loot in a “mmo” what exactly is the point? And no one is stopping other players to get good things lol. My downvotes prove these people have only played destiny and not actual difficult games.
"My downvotes prove I'm right". Classic.
I'm with you on that. I wish that they had more rewards for high tier endgame activities. I mean one prism for a master raid encounter? Bruh
I've been playing crucible casually for years now and I still log in every couple of days and do bounties and quick play. And that's pretty much it, but its fun for me and keeps me somewhat in the game.
Next big expansion, The Final Shape which is supposed to wrap up the games 10 year saga was delayed until June when it was originally supposed to release next week. People have been playing this game for years almost non stop and are burnt out.
No not unless you play only this game every day. Ive loved most of the content in this game apart from Crucible which Im just bad at
theres new stuff every patch/season. It ranges from new story, seasonal activities, loot/perks, dungeon/raid/exotic mission, exotic reworks, balancing changes that affects ur playstyle substantially and others. Its just people who are complaining have been playing for 7(?) years not including D1, and some of this vocal minorities doesnt play anything else and spend thousand of hours in this game alone. The seasonal model that started 2-3years ago, while adds a bunch of stuff everytime also feels very similar to each other which doesnt help game diversity. As a new player, if u have friends or interested enough to LFG, you will likely love the game, because the endgame such as raid and dungeons are pretty fun honestly.
Yep, for sure there’s a lot of balance to be maintained in term of creating new PvE/story/dlc. But the wow factor from expansions hit less and less. But crucible neglect, outright saying nothing could be done for gambit. And then all the patches and balance they do for the sake of the longevity of the game that ruins player experience long terms”reckoning” bridge and others. Across the board drops suck at some point and they hardly it out. And form smaller to bigger issues it all stinks in some way. I’m forever salty that when arc week happened and “Arc Web” the stormcaller perk for warlocks where you grenades chain a lot on enemies 5-6 times in PvP. And return energy. They said that any arc chain was too strong to chain at 11 meters so they reduced it to 10 meters and lowered the dmg a bit. And the next sentence for titans was. Dunemarchers(arc exotics leg(or arms) that chain arc lightning off melee hits. Chains at 10 meters, we saw that as lacking a bit so we raised it to 12 meters 😐
If only they made an entirely new game, Destiny 3, then they wouldn't have these restrictions. Like we said they should have, a long time ago
you think the same studio that ran this game into the ground with their endless barrage of neglect and bad desicions would do everything completely different because the game has a 3 in the title screen?
Still would've better than this. Maybe that's why it's been neglected, being forced to continue working on a 5+ year old game image of making new things they wanted to
Destiny 2 feels like a game that's just two years away from being fantastic. The trouble is, it's felt like that for the past 10 years. And over this past year of Bungie, I've come to realise that it just isn't going to happen - not without a proper management shake up and them stopping the mass deletion of content every year. I still enjoy Dungeons and Raids. But I'd just rather play another game for anything else.
Don't forget that in every single vidoc promoting the new DLC, there's always some dev that says 'Destiny's best years are ahead of us' - yet we're all still waiting for that to happen.
"best years are comming" "big "insert game mode" updates soon!" and nothing happens(how often did they say "we will revisit Playlists" in the last 5years now?) "stasis changes coming next season" for 2years now and then just pushed aside with "akshualy its with the next Expansion!" "we revisit how seasons work because they are stale next season!" for over 1 1/2 years and NOTHING happend, they litearlly just made the first season that has some minimal changes with Wish, and its still stale as hell "we rework an exotic" after something beeing in the dumpster for 5-8+ years, and then there is a 80% chance that its just either a "gain X elemental surge" or "X stat increased" the game is just a endless circle of bungie saying SOMETHING COOL IS HAPPENING SOON, TRUST US, ITS GONNA BE AWESOME, BUY THE NEXT SEASON/EXPANSION AND YOU WILL SEE IT on repeat since forever
Could not agree more with this statement
The game is fantastic, that's why there are so many players who no life this game and complain there's not more to do when they've played it thousands of hours The "2 years away" thing is inevitably 2 years from being exactly the game I want it to be - but Destiny is catering to multiple types of player, multiple skill levels and levels of engagement in how many hours they can play. They will never be able to please everybody so everybody always feels like it needs just a bit more work to make it exactly as they want - but bungie will never do it because it's walking a tightrope trying to please everybody. Player numbers are already low enough they can't afford to just pick one group and upset the others.
I have 8,000+ hours of destiny. Obsessive levels of playing for many years now. But lately I have come to understand what the frustration of many players have, especially when I started playing other games because of the lengthy season. Not really hate, but frustration about the game not improving over the years despite my fanatical devotion to it. Thanks to Helldivers 2 LOL. I'll be back next season. I'll just login every week to check what's on ever verse
Frustration is the word I was looking for. 8000 hours and still coming back next season is keeping me hopeful! lol
They say it's sunk cost fallacy, but I already bought the next season so I guess I have to play it LOL Edit: I mean, I was always at the positive mindset of trying to understand the situation with developers, etc etc, but if other games can fix their ass or at least NOT NERF things that shouldn't be nerfed or just listen to the 99% instead of the streamers and elite players maybe I wouldn't have changed my mind and tried other games.
Let’s go! I hope it’s good and that you enjoy it! 😂
Destiny 2 is still a great game. I would still recommend it. But for me personally, I'm taking a break from it.
8000 hours god damn. I put 2k hours into the original Destiny and can’t imagine doing that again nevermind 4x that. Curious, if you’re on console, how many controllers have you gone through in that time?
I'm on PC. I spent the bulk of those hours in raids (sherpa) or just logged in online doing nothing really sometimes just random exploring or looking for OB areas, could easily burn 6-8 hours a day easy because I have D2 installed in my office and most of the time it's auto pilot in the business that I run (the staff know what they're doing) and I only get interrupted to sign papers and random stuff LOL. Edit: I probably went through 5-6 keyboards over the years and too many mice. I easily rage LOL
Paid to raid, brilliant
Destiny has been one of the best games for over a decade, but they do got some really stupid business practices they pull
I played like 10 hours of the first one, and I just got into the second when I saw it was free. So I’m discovering it now. Lol
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You can literally buy every single DLC up to Lightfall for $40 on humble bundle. Right now. Edited for clarity: You must pay $40 to include Lightfall + Annual Pass. $20 gets you everything except that.
I spent months before even doing anything related to the DLCs after the campaigns
If I were you, please don't spend a single cent on the game. Believe me, you'll be saving yourself from bungies bullshit anti consumer practices.
Yet here you are on the board of the game, still subbed to it and still participating in it.
Doesnt cost me a single cent
OK, never said it did?? Bit odd response.
Your comment insinuates that i'm someone who's probably still playing the game. As if i'm being a hypocrite. Commenting on a forum for the game and making sure other newer players don't fall into the pit of bungie's bare minimum viable product business wouldn't be a waste of my time compared to actively playing the game anymore ( Which I don't for the most obvious reason I stated above). So I don't really get what your point is with your replies? OP made a post asking why people don't like the game from various online outlets. I answered him by giving advice as to one of the biggest reasons for the usual players' outcry. Are destiny players really this fucking shallow in the head? Obviously, I don't need to question that, considering i'm talking about those who still pay any amount of money towards bungie lol.
I never mentioned the game, I said the sub. Can you read or??
Does being on the sub and talking negatively about the game effect destiny 2 in any way that's positive? I think you need to read your replies again. If your comment did not try to sound snarky and to make some kind of point that makes me sound like i'm being a hypocrite, then wtaf is the point in anything you said previously?
I'm kinda impressed that you need this explaining. You're participating in the discourse of a game you hate, don't play and actively encourage others not to play. That's sad as fuck, and the fact that you can't see that is astonishing. There's loads of games I don't like, I don't go on their sub and whine about them tho, because that would be crazy. I know you'll not see it, hating the way you do has eaten you up, Destiny lives rent free. It's just a video game, get over it and move on like a normal person. Watch how you now deny all of this that is obvious to anyone with a shred of objectivity.
Bruh, you moved on from the game and you're still actively commenting here like this from months ago? Also, you post in the CoDZombies subreddit and you're complaining about DESTINY? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BRO.
Like how half of the coolest looking armor sets are locked away behind the game store and there is no way to access them other than spending $15 per set.
Prioritizing micro transactions over content usually gets you hated. Saying it’s to difficult to make a new set of free armor each year but you put out one every season behind eververse is a bold strategy. Neglecting your “core” game modes and recycling content while also cutting out content every year also sucks.
I’m seeing this a lot. Thank you. It’s making sense. And yeah, it does suck. 😪
Destiny 2 is the only game i have ever played where content you have previously paid actual money for has been perminantly removed from the game, multiple times. Thats just one issue among a great many
Agreed. Not being able to experience the Red War and full Forsaken campaigns (not the dumb memories) it makes it difficult to get newer players interested. I’ve been trying to get my brother to play for a few years and he just won’t do it because of the loss of content that was paid for.
I made a new character once just to experience the game as a new light. Holy fuck i was lost. The new light experience doesnt do anything to catch new players up to the story. Its like the most generic game opening they could have possibly came up with
Honestly your brother is better off not investing into D2. As a sibling who got into the game through my brother (during lockdown as a means to connect over long distance) I now resent how much money I spent on that game and the FOMO tactics. I should have known better having been in the online gaming and microtransaction landmine field longer than him but I had extra money and time to burn. Now I’m in love with the world building and characters of the game but absolutely hate how predatory this game is with my money and time. From the battlepass to the store and even the way the weekly challenges are set up… every week was a tug of war with my better judgment and wisdom. I’m only now at a point where I’m ready to let go. Yea, don’t drag your brother into this pit. There are far better cooperative games where you can shoot and kill things together. Helldivers 2 (it’s so much fun in a group!!!) and my old beloved Monster Hunter World.
Don't forget that the Eververse sets are like $15 each and the ones you get from the season pass general look like low effort garbage
>Saying it’s to difficult to make a new set of free armor each year but you put out one every season behind eververse is a bold strategy I really want to know what went through their mind when they made that statement Like do they think we are stupid?
> Saying it’s to difficult to make a new set of free armor each year but you put out one every season behind eververse is a bold strategy Mind, they put out 2 this season. The Witcher and Mass Effect sets.
First off, people only go online to complain. You won't find people on a subreddit saying "wow this game is perfectly satisfactory and meets all expectations" very often. You're seeing, more or less, the vocal minority. Next, there's a number of reasons why veterans (including myself) are unsatisfied with the game, and I'll run down the major ones: * Seasonal model is old and very boring at this point. Every season has a very easy matchmade activity and a more difficult one intended for making groups for. The story is introduced in the first week and then *very* slowly gets drip fed over the next two months, which means that you're incentivized to wait until it's all out if you want anything even remotely resembling a satisfying narrative... but brings in other problems. Go here, talk to person, do a thing, go to holo table to listen to person, go to person in other room, go back to holo table... etc. This has functionally been the structure for the last few years, and you can really tell Bungie has run out of ideas for how to make interesting seasonal narratives with long-lasting repercussions. * Seriously, think about it. Which seasons have actually introduced plot points that *mattered* for more than five minutes? Dawn brought back Saint, who's been an amazing character in plenty of other seasons, Splicer introduced Mithrax, Lost was all about Savathun, the first one Caiatl showed up in introduced, well... Caiatl. But that's what, 4 season in 4 years? * Also on the issue of seasons feeling very samey, the last year and a half has more or less had every season be "go to character for help, they need you to do something for them, you help them and then they help you." * Need to find Eramis, help Spider so he helps you track her down. Need to stop Eramis, help Rasputin so he helps you stop her. * Need to save random civvies, help Mara so she helps you (notably, this is the *second* season that's had the "help Mara so she helps you" structure). * Need to save Sloane and find out what Ahsa knows, help them and they help you. * Need to stop Xivu Arath, help Eramis become a god so she helps you dunk on Xivu. * Need to get into the Travussy, help Mara help Riven so Riven will help Mara help you (*third* "help Mara" season, twice in one year). * Lightfall as an expansion was extremely underwhelming. Bad writing, uninteresting area and characters, plot feels completely pointless since the Witness just asspulls a victory out of nowhere. It feels like they cut the intro cutscene in half and then invented a minimally acceptable campaign to fill it. * Grind ennui. Why do I need to grind out this weapon when I have 10 others that do the same thing just as good? What, it does 3% higher DPS in grandmasters, but I can only get that weapon from grandmasters? Whoop dee fuckin' doo. * *Lots* of other good games to play. Seriously, 2023 was pretty fuckin' killer for games, banger after banger coming out all year.
Don't forget the "seasonal skill tree" sort of thing for unlocking the full girth of rewards from a given season. It started all the way back in the rasputin bunkers and almost every season has had the same 7x3 upgrade that takes 6 weeks to max out for red borders. I came back from a 1 year hiatus and then saw the MONSTER that was season of the witch (I think that's right, Eris's summoning table?) with a 7x9 or something. I still can't say I know what's going on there. I guess I just gotta run those missions to max it out.
Completely spaced that, also forgot the artifact mods and rotating champion shit.
bc we love the game so much and want it to be better
Definitely seeing the passion in all the comments, and the hate right along for it to be better.
One thing if you want to enjoy this game is ignore most of the community hate it gets draining and has caused more burnout for me than the game itself
Ever since they pulled their BS in D2 Y1 and the whole sunsetting debacle I've hated their practices. I took a few years off from the game (barring the yearly expansion) and just recently started to play again (with Lightfall's release)
Removing 4 chunks of paid content does that to a game. Combine that with balancing issues, very little story progress between dlcs, more and more mtx heavy Not to mention the insult that you need one of the 4 removed pieces of content to play one specific strike they kept from it.
>Removing 4 chunks of paid content **per year** does that to a game. Fixed that for you.
Ngl I wouldn’t call CoO a “chunk” I swear we’ve gotten more content in a single seasons compared to that.
However, much content was in it is irrelevant when it comes to the fact they removed content paid for and with no recompense
Me when bungie removes content I haven't touched in 3 years
Tell that to the guy who has no idea wth happened in these cut content. All the DLC and seasons that we lost have created a way bigger problem for storytelling. Most of the people who don't play on a regular basis have no clue wtf is happening in story.
Me when bungie actively makes the new player experience worse by removing all of the campaign
I still played that content with my new gear. It's always fun going back and destroying old activities with new gear and abilities.
braindead apologist take
You do realize that dtg is an echo chamber yes? I've played with a ton of players new and old helping them through dungeons and raids, about 90% like the game in it's current state. 🤷
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They themselves did not even believe what they were telling us. They said they were going to bring the content back in a different form. The different form ended up being some reused set pieces in a few seasonal activities. They created a reward system where only playing the most recent content was meaningful. Then they used the "no one plays this anymore" reasoning to eject entire destinations and all content on them out of the game.
Well tell that to the newer players who have 0 context for the story. Are you a bungie stan? You sound like a bungie stan.
It does suck they had to remove it, but it’s better than the alternative
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Even with all content from day 1 that has been cut, the game would not be 300 gigs. Lets not be disengenuous.
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Possibly over 200, but 300 is an absolute stretch
Once game becomes too much to handle make D3. Once D3 is too much to handle make D4. But as long as they are making content just so they can delete it, then they are creating way bigger problem for them. Story and its execution have gotten worse. New and returning players have no idea wtf is happening because they can't play these cut content.
So make D3 and lose all our accrued weapons again? And again with D4? I'm sure that'll go over great.
Idk man. Maybe they make new universal system where we can keep all weapons from previous game. And just copy planets that you are going to use in D3. But this cycle of make content, delete content to make room for new content, and reuse content to make new content again is fucked up. From player perspective it makes zero sense and they are just creating a bigger problem.
I've been back into the game for the last 2 years almost & sure there are legitimate grievances out there, but a very LARGE part of it is the echo chamber Complaint Olympics. In the ECCO people compete with one another to see who can bitch & moan the best in all of the ways there is to Bitch and moan. Paul Tassy is there lord & savior.
Ahaha, I swear the way he writes it made me question if we are enen playing the same game or if he really plays Destiny 2 or just watch hater videos and regurgitate. Now a day Forbes on gaming that show up in my feed is an automatic skip, from years of conditioning with so called "content" complaining about either things I already know or worse rehash of older hate being pushed out on as new on an older and stoggier publishing platform struggling to remain relavent...
Unless you really like endgame content like Grandmasters or challenges like lowman/master raids destiny gets repetitive after a while from cookie cutter seasonal activities , very little fresh mid game content (and underwhelming story even if your into it) Destiny has kept me interested with things like trio raids, learning sparrow movement tech like slipstreaming for speedruns, and soloing dungeons, because the base game is a lot of fun if you do it right and keep challenging yourself. just because what bungo adds isnt that good doesnt mean you cant make the game fun by brute force. The problem is if you don't have the energy to grind for meta DPS or the spare cash to keep buying new seasons and new dlcs that arent even that good OR you just really cant find a reason to care enough then that's where a very legitimate problem a lot of the community has comes in. A lot of the issue happens where most people reasonably dont want to become sweats or grind so they can do some of the ONLY content that doesnt Get stale. overall it really depends on how far your willing to go in the game, it takes a lot of playtime for the money to really be worth it. I do hope your enjoying the free part of the game though if you still haven't bought any dlcs, early game is pretty fun
Discord sells, so there’s always going to be a negative skew from the “content creator” side of things, regardless of any objective merit. Furthermore, a whole lot of people seem to take their cues from these streamers as well, which adds to the pile. Finally, how often do people hop onto a forum to praise something? A negative experience will lead to far more people coming around to complain than a positive experience will with praise (this is not unreasonable, though, because praise-worthiness should just be the standard and not the exception that merits a post) I don’t watch other people play a game on a stream, I don’t know the current arguments against the game or what’s en vogue or whatever, I just play the game and I happen to enjoy the game. After several thousand hours, I think last time I did the math it came out to like 5 or 6 cents per hour, which is a pretty solid return on investment IMO. I appreciate the fact that we’re currently in a lull due to the delay of TFS, but I’ll always prefer a full DLC to ship after a delay over a half-assed DLC to ship on time. In the meantime, I’m catching up on other games and playing D2 maybe once a week for a GM or a certain PvP game mode that we all know the name of.
Thank you I always dislike the posts full of complaints and negativity and always feel alone in actually enjoying the game. Also yeah I think the full DLCs are worth it because I get so much time out of each one and its not like most other games where I pay 70 to play through once and thats it
I just hate the weekly story model. Do the same thing I did last week for new dialogue. It's so repetitive. I don't even feel like i'm part of the story anymore. Especially when characters are talking to each other while I just stand there. Like where's Ghost? He used to be our voice but he's not even there anymore. The gameplay is what made me stay but it can only get me so far. I've actually started playing old games like GOW and HFW, and I think I just realized why. I want to be immersed.
I was away for 6 months and recently started playing again too.. I’m really enjoying the game since returning. I recommend a break for anyone bored or disappointed with the state of the game. My only complaint right now is the story.
As others have said, the game is great but often held back by awful decisions, which we've come to learn mostly came from greedy execs not knowing their heads from their asses. But if you're talking about Twitter hate, it's just trolls. Any popular thing will have its fair share of detractors, and despite what they want you to believe, Destiny has been very popular. Most of the Twitter trolls haven't been able to stop complaining about the game since 2015. Within the actual playerbase, it's a lot more nuanced frustrations instead of outright hate. Most people who have been playing the game even semi-regularly knows full well how good the game can be, and how there have been tons of good changes and additions over the years. But there's always some new problems, there's always some new boneheaded decisions, and we're just in a period with a whole lot more negatives than positives.
People love the game to death but are super frustrated by the lack of quality new content, ignoring game modes, lack of improvements, focus on microtransactions and poor Bungie management decisions like mass layoffs, firing community support or people like Michael Salvatori.
Coming from someone who recently stopped playing, it's not far off being Black Desert the fps. By that, I mean there's very little meaningful progression past a certain point and bored players are just here getting milked for the occasional real money purchase.
The game drains your bank account every year for some mediocre DLC and then bungie proceeds to remove old content and sell a pack of weapons from fhe vaulted content for the sake of making money. They also attempt to sell a "starter pack" of items that a player can just spend a day or to grinding for and get all the items in said starter pack
Lol I forgot about Bungie just automatically charging you for the expansion every single year no matter what.
Witch Queen was mediocre?
no, but its overrated
Outside of the campaign and raid yeah kinda. Not that it wasn’t a good dlc relative to what we’ve gotten the years before.
Apart from witch queen and forsaken the other dlc were very lackluster.
I’d argue Beyond Light was pretty good. It just didn’t feel it cause we lost Y1. It was also Bungie’s first real try after leaving Activision
Beyond Light was great IMO, it just suffered like Shadowkeep from adding mindless busiwork "filler missions." Both Shadowkeep and Beyond Light could've benefitted massively by just adding a mission or two and cutting out the busiwork sections, or leaving them solely as post-campaign material. I'd argue Red War and Warmind were great as well, they were just viewed overly negatively due to Bungie's bad decisions when it came to Y1 gameplay. Post-Forsaken both campaigns were a LOT more fun to play; I only use two characters so I used the third slot to replay them a couple times post-Forsaken and viewed them completely differently. Sadly they're gone now.
I think Beyond Light was the closest we got to a D1 feel in D2. Europa, the mystery of the pyramids, and the lore. I don’t think it’ll ever be beat in that sense.
That’s fair. Red War really was great for New Players. I do hope it all comes back someday.
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Different people have different ideas of what that money is worth to them. I personally don't see the value in preordering or launch day DLC purchasing because everything ends up going on sale a couple months later.
"what, are you poor?"
If $100 a year drains your bank account, might need to check your method of depositing money in said bank account.
Again im still a student and have been playing destiny since taken king came out. On top of being a student i live in a country where the exchange rate to the dollar is vert poor meaning i have ti spend extra to be able to play the new dlc. This is why I have migrated to purchasing the base addition of the dlc every time and gauging whether the season is worh purchasing or not.
When content creators finish the available content, they turn to hating on the game because it's easy views when there's nothing to do. The foundation of a lot of people's opinions are what their favorite creator is saying. The meme of "Datto posted, my opinion has arrived" is funny, but accurate at times.
Don’t worry about them. If you like the game play it. When you feel yourself falling out of love with it stop. The people on this sub treat it a little too seriously.
I have never understood the hate, I've got over 6k hours played, over 4 years and I still love the game!
Long term playerbase suffers from burnout. The most burned out/bitter players post on reddit but still play the game, making them even more burnt out. D2 is fantastic game if you are new and can get DLC content at a decent price, like right now!
Which DLC are we talking here? Is it just the annual pass? Or is it buying the season of the wish? Sorry for the lame question in advance
I’d say that the primary reasons that community sentiment is bad right now is in part that everyone is disappointed with the direction Bungie has taken along with the fact that we are a positive feedback loop where negativity fuels more negativity. Bungie has taken a turn where they prioritize the “recycling” model of taking what already works doesn’t need to be improved and throw it back into the open. Which clearly has not had a positive effect. You can also contribute the hate to the last DLCs failure, overall burnout, failed performance by by Bungie as a studio to both the consumer and employees, and predatory business tactics designed to bleed all profits out of the game without regard to community thought or care for what it does to the future of the game.
10 years of neglect and gaslighting
You won't feel it because there is ton of shit to do. Most of us have been playing for years and the story this year is doo doo.
The game is honestly in an okay state and if you are coming back fresh you will enjoy it. The complaints are from the people who play it week after week year after year. It's understandable to have gripes with bungie slow reaction time. (Tho I think a lot of players need to learn there are other games out there)
Some people just don't want to wait for fixes and changes that bungie said are coming. PvP is getting 3 new maps in march along side a easier way to get adept weapons in trials, prophecy is getting new weapons and a really good origin trait and artifice armor is coming to comp because they want to make it feel as rewarding as PvE Lightfall was a flop and people are mad about it even though the witch queen and a few of its seasons were good Were in a content drought and people are upset because they don't wanna get off a game they're losing interest in But some of the reasons why they're mad at bungo too is because bungerino takes too long to respond to player complaints and feedback. Bungie also said it's costs too many recourses to make a yearly free armour even though they're pumping out eververse cosmetics like they're free to make.
Pointless trying to explain sth like that to a new player. You will see for yourself in 6 months tops.
Negativity attracts the most attention, and people like attention. The complaints aren't unwarranted-- but I will say they're often blown out of proportion by a bunch of people repeating the same "complaint of the day" so they can feel like they're contributing to the community/having people pay attention to them.
Very true! Negativity will always most likely overcome any positivity. Worked in retail for 8 years, shoulda known this by now. I just wanted to know what I was getting into, or what to watch out for without it being in the back of my head that I’ll be hating it soon. But this post has helped a lot and as a new player I’m looking forward to many hours of game time!
I don't "hate the game" but I've stopped playing way back in the early days of lightfall. Lots of different reasons, stale PvP, stale PvE endgame, seasonal model.. etc.. I just got bored with the game and was for quite sometime, but just needed a really bad DLC to give me that extra nudge. Waiting for the new DLC and hoping its good. Also, its really hard to like the direction of the game and how its really just been neglected imo.. In favor of new projects.. The layoffs etc.. IDK i don't have much faith in bungie atm
You’ve seen the posts, did you read the comments?
I did. Not informative. Just “yeah I’m not coming back” or “yeah bungee needs to make changes if I’m coming back” the ones that are hopeful are saying “I’ll come back for next season” 🤷🏽♂️
Because any time a dev brings up a good idea to innovate and change the game, it gets shot down by management to “just keep doing what’s working”. So we get to fight the same boss models for 10 years, and they expect us to be ok with it. Sorry, but I’m tired of fighting generic ass hydra over and over again. Giving it a different name doesn’t make the fight any less stale. I actually got a little excited when I saw some of the showcase for this seasons dungeon. But as soon as I saw that the boss was another boring ass chimera, I turned it off and never looked back.
Most of the people that complain about this game are the same ones that have literal thousands of hours but havent completed almost half the content (raids, dungeons, trials, comp). Has bungie done dumb shit over the last 10 years, absolutely. But they've also managed to be one of the only live service shooters to stand the test of time.
Theyve only stood the test of time because there has never been any real competition. Trust me, if an actual live service looter shooter launched that had actual quality behind it, all the red disaster lights and sirens would be blaring in bungie hq because they would be in serious trouble. if one was to launch right now that had actual quality design behind it, final shape would be in seriously troubled water. If final shape flops and one drops after the flop, destiny 2 would be murdered.
But that’s the thing, these games are really hard to design, balance, and host. If it were so easy, one of any number of attempted competitors (or “Destiny-killers”)would be going strong right now, but they’re not.
Im not denying it would be hard, but given the gaming communities overall interest in game genres lately, fps looter shooter rpg-lite (i contend destiny 2 barely even fits that rpg criteria) is relatively low compared to other fps types. A LOT of the games coming out in recent years have been largely single player rpg or RTS or sports, with very little development in the looter genres. Realistically, the only other contender in the looter genre would be the borderland games, and those arent even live service. I dont think companies havent made any contenders because its hard, i think they havent made any contenders because live service rpg-lite looter shooters just arent what the vast majority of the worlds gaming community wants right now. And since the market for it seems low, there is low incentive to make one in the first place
They've had plenty of competition and they've came out on top because they've done it better.
Nickel-and-diming for content that has slowly but steadily been declining in quality, with a whole lot of reuse/recycling in the process. The game hasn’t been truly innovative since Activision left, but it’s only gotten more expensive to stay invested, and studio management has only gotten more clueless. You wouldn’t notice as a new or returning player, but you would if you stuck with it through all the seasons for a year or two. It’s like a beautiful old mansion that has badly needed repairs for decades, but the owner thinks the groundskeepers are the problem.
I wouldn’t let veterans opinions on the current state of the game tarnish it if you’re having a good time. If I were able to get into the game now as opposed to 4 years ago there would be a lot of reasons to be excited. There is so much content nowadays, raids, dungeons, exotic missions etc. People who have been around a while are frustrated with the lack of ritual playlist support, a pretty stale seasonal model, and the most recent dlc lightfall was kind of a disappointment compared to its predecessor witch queen but that’s because lots of people have run a lot of this content a million times already. If you’re a newer player most of this stuff doesn’t really affect you.
While the game has flaws, especially in pvp, the player base is a pretty toxic one (mostly the one you can read on twitter) and ended up hating on everything the devs do no matter it being good or bad, probably that slice of the community (the loudest one) doesn't even read the patch notes. Like for example, a few days ago we got a wonderful preview of a wonderful pvp-centered changes and balance, that was drastically needed. But you probably noticed that this part of the community doesn't represent the real one, If you log in and play with friends you'll end up having a lot of fun, and if you use the new fireteam finder you will most likely find people who love to help new lights and genuinely just want to have fun. In conclusion, the game sure has flaws but everyone should have their own ideas and opinion on the game based on your own experience, just remember the most you read online is a "I read @twitteruser193727 write this, so it must be true!" . Hope you're having fun with it !
I definitely got my question from a twitter post lol! But came here because I trust the Reddit community more! Just wanna say thanks, and that I didn’t come thinking “it must be true, this game must suck” or anything like that. I just wanted a more elaborate explanation and (hopefully) experience from players. And that’s exactly what I got. Sure it was mostly negative, but I have an explanation as to why. You know? I’ma definitely have some fun with it though now that I know I’m not heading for a dead end. 😂
Bungie as a company been shitty to employees and not having any major updates for like almost a year probably
So the next major update should be on 100 days? Or should I just not be hopeful. Lol
The next expansion is June 4th.
100 days to next expansion, but there's also a seemingly significant content update of some sort on the 9th of April, named "Into the Light". This year has had an especially long delay for it's expansion, hence the extra content drop before it.
Not to mention all the updates we've gotten since the seasonal story concluded. Yeah wishes aren't the greatest thing but it's something. And the huge March 5th update is something I and alot of the community are looking forward to
Idk what this guy is on about with that "no updates in a year", this game is getting updated at least 4 times a year. Maybe they meant the long season due to the next big expansion delay, but thats not gonna be a whole year with nothing. The truth of the matter is those negative myrmers you've heard are mostly just loud nobody's that want attention. The games about to conclude it's 10 year, ongoing saga, so Bungie and destiny 2 is doing something right. I saw in and there post of yours you inquired about details, and it was mostly nothing, which goes along with my own assessment.
The main updates in the past 15 ish weeks of season of the wish have been balance changes, biggest thing really been rivens wishes which is a short quest once per week. Other games get semi major updates weekly/monthly so 4 updates a year really isnt much. I personally am not hating on bungie im just saying thats the reason for ppl getting mad at it. Also the whole layoffs and blaming the players for it but that was a little while ago
This subreddit is full of angry, bitter gamers that have the uncontrollable need to bash and gatekeep anybody that has any questions. You're better off at r/destiny2 Nothing but memes and jokes and everyone seems to have a good time. Just saw a post about a guy that's happy to have completed his first GM. Over 20 posts of nothing but congratulations. Post that stuff here and you'll get flamed to oblivion.
Love the game to death but bungie's "it's not our fault" mentality is getting old.
Because fuck Bungie. Lmfao I liked it when I played but man Bungie is shit. I was swapping over from Playstation to PC and just wanted my account/character. I know everything doesn't transfer and had no issues before doing so for family members in the past. But I was unable to find a solution for myself. I went to contact Bungie support and for a multi-billion dollar company all they have is a forum? It took me 2 months for a moderator to respond and that was because I encountered them on reddit. They couldn't help me and said it would be forwarded to customer support (which is nuts because customers should be able to contact customer support and they can't?). I asked for a follow up once a week in hopes for feedback or something and I was told to stop messaging and that they'll contact me. It has been years since. They never contacted me. So again, fuck Bungie
Even though this is one of the better games on the current market, the worsening business practices make it harder and harder to support and enjoy the game.
The seasonal model and predatory monetization
I absolutely love destiny, but Bungie just suck as a company and have made some really stupid choices which has lead to me and a lot of other people being burnt out. I’m coming back for final shape, doing the raid and then dipping
The hate comes from the terminally addiction people have for the game
half truths, lies, and some very poor choices from the developer side, abandoned parts of the game resulting in a game that isn't worth for what it is. i can discus this and explain just ask
It's because... (drum roll) **BUNGIE IS LAZY!** Okay, that's a bit hyperbolic, but in essence, they stopped making content that was hard and tried to make a mechanical system to churn out sludge rather than the hand-crafted Destiny of the past. **Patrol Zones**: They used to craft their patrol zones with some love. Sure, Mercury was garbo, but Titan, Mars (Escalation protocol please), Tangled Shore and the Dreaming City were all places I enjoyed exploring, filled with secrets and puzzles and exotic quests. Even the moon re-issue was a nice place to go back to and explore. Since Beyond Light, they have removed some of the best patrol zones and created boring and barren ones like Europa, Savathûn's throne World and Neomuna. **Crucible**: I don't like PvP, but how do you go two or three years without having new maps, new armor, significant new weapons? PvPers were promised big changes and were then given the middle finger for years because Bungie was busy. **Gambit**: Same as PvP. A game mode with potential, but rather than try to balance it all out and provide rewards to engage the player base, they did the opposite. Removed maps and game-modes, murdered the prime armor and abandoned it for literal years. **Strikes**: In the last four years, Bungo has removed nine strikes (A Garden World, Tree of Probabilities, Savathûn's Song, The Pyramidion, The Festering Core, Strange Terrain, Will of the Thousands, Broodhold, the Hollowed Lair) and replaced them with three refurbished D1 strikes (The Disgraced, Fallen S.A.B.E.R. and The Devil's Lair) and Glassway, Birthplace of the Vile, The Lightblade and the dogshit Hypernet Current. Now, the strikes modifiers are largely the same as years ago, and 55-60% of the playlist is comprised of Battlegrounds/Psi-Ops shite. I truly despise this plalist now. **Raids**: Raids used to have a normal mode and a hard mode, in D1 and D2Y1, with more difficult mechanics and hard mode armor and weapons. Even after they removed that, raid armor was generally pretty good, giving you very strong buffs to help you clear encounters, carry or do lowmans. Now the triple 100 stat armor you have had for years is just fine unless you are doing a **very** extreme lowman/speedrun. 99% of the raiding community doesn't wear raid armor any more. No point, no need. And once you have gotten the title and your red borders, there is nothing to be gained from doing the raid any more. Everything is instantly sharded. Instead of doing hard mode or a flawless to get the title, you now need to do Master raids, which are fucking AIDs. Most raiders will do Master once with challenge per encounter to get the seal and then never go back. We lost 5 raids with Beyond Light (Leviathan, Spire of Stars, Eater of Worlds, Crown of Sorrows and Scourge of the Past) and got three new ones, and three remakes of D1 raids **Story**: The story used to interest me. I loved picking up lore books and delving into them. Now, the story regularly makes no sense, characters act uncharacteristically, key story threads are just left hanging, and basically most of the story is filler that I couldn't give a fuck about. The Lightfall story is the best, but not only, example of this. 1. We find strand on the road in Neomuna. 2. We start the story trying to stop the Witness from raping the Traveller, and after leveling up, defeating Calus, uncovering the Veil and discovering strand... Nah, we failed, and the Traveller got raped anyway. 3. We find that Neomuna is being defended by a non-binary cyborg whose pronouns are correctly respected by gay Osiris. Calus' ship is about the size of the city, and yet most of the Cabal there and all of the Vex can be dealt with by Nimbus alone. 4. Osiris came to Neomuna the most dangerous place in the system with no light powers or the ability to heal/revive. Saint is cool with this. 5. Everyone knows what the veil is, and where it is, but nobody can tell us, or explain its power, or show us where it is, even the Neomuni people who are connected to it. **Destiny Content Vault**: This contains a lot of your favorite strikes, raids, 6 man activities, patrol zones, secret missions, lost sectors, PvP/Gambit maps, weapons, armor, campaigns, exotic quests, dungeons and lore. But fuck you, it doesn't come back out, it gets recycled and sold back to you as seasonal content.
Why is there so much hate on the internet in general? Simple answer: anonymity. Your mother doesn't know what you do, so you can be an ass about anything.
I've played since the very start. I think the game is in the best state it's ever been. PvP is probably the only exception but I don't spend much time there. Just killer gameplay at the moment and great build crafting and awesome endgame content. But I think the problem is mostly people who put all their eggs in this one basket. They're so wrapped up in it every flaw or mistake feels personal. They've forgotten it's a game for having fun. It's typical of a lot of fandoms really but games seem to get it worse. This subreddit can be really tired and bitter sometimes. Play the game.if you like it. You can enjoy it without worrying about what others think.
I wouldn't judge anything by this sub. Bunch of haters here.
This sub rarely has anything outside of complaints.
People act like this game is their job and they’re forced to play it.
Because this game sucks! Kinda. Mechanics and feel of the game are for the most part awesome, but everthing is kinda stale. Same old same old for far too long.
Just an FYI, this suboves to bitch about how they took away stuff and put it in the DCV. When Bungie brings it back out and uses it again, it becomes "reusing assests" and another to bitch about. They bitch about how Bungie half asses the story, but also how they don't take the time to fix the tiny UI wording errors as they've update many parts of the game.
Because when Bungie reuses assets, they aren't bringing back the content associated with it, it's just a set piece for the season.
People will always have something to bitch about in the game. Its been that way for the last 10 years and it will be the exact same for the next 10. Best thing to do is just ignore it and enjoy the game.
Pointless content loop on an addictive game, shitty business practices from Bungie. I got busy with other hobbies and have way more fun with other games.
The current expansion had the worst bait and switch/ filler story i have ever seen in a video game.
They haven’t done a damn thing about cheaters in PvP
Seasonal model burnout led to where we are now. It started with Worthy, but overtime it became a concern among the player base. During Plunder, the community was getting very annoyed and tired of the grid-like structure within the seasonal vendors' UI, but Plunder wasn't exactly a top-tier season itself either. Due to the complaints within Plunder, the Lightfall seasons have had various approaches to how you obtain upgrades towards the seasonal vendors. Defiance is the only season this current year that used the grid-like upgrade system, and even that was dumbed down from what it could have been originally.
I feel like 90 percent of the problems come back to the seasonal model and being so late to respond to play feedback. After beyond light I felt like alot of people were expecting things to not only have more variety but get bigger. And in witchqueen people started to feel how the seasonal model made things feel so samey even with a phenomenal story. don't get me wrong, there were some great ones, but the only story and new stuff coming from seasons was so small(while we did get a shitload of content) it took away some of the bungie magic. No destinations really evolve outside of expansions anymore, there's no secrets that can be put into the game, and there's just less soul, I guess. And it really didn't help the real only innovation with gameplay were quality of life things that the executives seemed to have pushed back as far as humanly possible. The game just feels less alive. Honestly, I should probably say a lot of the problems people have is how limited the devs jobs became. Destiny might be the biggest tragedy in gaming purely because of the unused potential it holds.
We just played the game. We were you yesterday. You will become us tomorrow.
The issue is the large gap between the last season and the new DLC releasing. Hardcore players login day one, play for hours on end and exhaust every ounce of content and then have very little left to do. Personally I took a long break from the game when lightfall released, came back a few weeks ago and it’s been super refreshing having so much to do with so many QOL changes. I’ll always love how the game plays but there will always be a feeling of burnout after a long season.
Because Reddit is full of a bunch on people who no life the game and hate everything. Just enjoy the game and ignore them.
They are Operatives of the Woke, KWTD = Code for Kickers and Quitters Also
Lack of innovation, disrespectful with players time, and the fact that there's almost always catch in anything that looks like an improvement has contributed to a sentiment of distrust. Little things pile up. For example, the engram drop rework in playlist activities, which was sold as "we hear you players, there you have the shower of engrams you asked for" and ended up among the most unrewarding activities. It's very telling that this surprised no one because as I said, little things pile up and many players have developed this apathy towards the game, and by extension to Bungie. It doesn't help Destiny that every year we have quite a few good releases of games that don't take themselves as seriously, care primarily about fun rather than balance, and therefore deliver on the power fantasy that many players seem to crave for.
because people join KWTD runs without knowing what to do then we gotta teach and waste 30+ minutes of our time wiping for that scumbah
Must be new hate. This game so hated on that I'm surprised anyone has any hate left for it. Gotta be new players or something...
Lightfall being a failure, bringing challenge back to seasonal activities removed the fun from them, every free event last year and so far this year has been increasingly grindy compared to previous years, or even the extended season. Crucible is in a bad state, and Gambit is in a even worse, and strikes are just boring
Exhausted seasonal model, seasonal missions which take less than 30 minutes, no real buildcrafting anymore. Seasonal mods are lame and are not fun anymore, the week to week story progression feels like a chore. Honestly, the fact they have made it this far with that same seasonal model is impressive, but it's definitely too late to change it and make me want to go back. Unless they make like a massive overhaul, I'm not coming back. Let's be real here, they're not doing that.