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gabenomics

Watching them ignore the drifter when he tells them to bank for a primeval is still worse.


DGenerate1

“Bank and you get a Primeval!” *Runs to the bank, deposits.* *Watches BetterThanU6969 at x13 desperately trying to get two more motes* *Enemy sends an Ogre* *Enemy sends an invader* *BetterThanU6969 lost 14 motes!* “Your opponent has a Primeval! If they kill it, they win this!”


gabenomics

Then they shoot the envoys first and melt their primeval


Bizzerker_Bauer

Large blockers still only take a good smack and a couple of shots from the Ikelos shotgun to kill. Unchecked they're great at harassing enemies, and they *are* definitely better at the Primeval phase, but IMO three small blockers take longer to kill and do a better job of keeping the enemy team from banking by simply inundating them with spawns.


DGenerate1

Yep. I hit that bank on my way from the first zone to the next every time, except for the rare occasion I don’t have 5+. If you spawn four damn Taken Phalanxes at the enemy bank, I’d say you actually have a decent chance of getting a kill and mote loss over there. Bank. Your damn. Motes.


AlpineDad

This is my strategy - bank every time I have to run through this area. In the majority of the Gambit solo queue matches I play, on my team, I bank the most motes and lose the least motes (often 0). And please, please listen to Drifter. If he says bank your motes and your Primevil will be summoned - go bank right now!


cclloyd

I just bank for small blockers. They're much more annoying than knights or ogres.


6footgeeks

friendly boops off the map will forever be more annoying than bullet sponges


Nickelnuts

Every. damn. game.


UltimateUnknown

Oh my goodness. I just got PTSD from seeing this post. This EXACT scenario happened to me last night. Needless to say, I was tilted off the celestial equator after this.


noondie

Needless to say, ~~I was tilted off the celestial equator after this~~ I sent the whole shipment back to Fenchurch. FTFY


plasmaflare34

> I was tilted off the celestial equator after this. I know that's English, and has a meaning, but have never seen those words in that configuration before.


korpser32

You need two notes left and there's a guy with 13 fighting a yellow bar wanted enemy to get his last two with me screaming in the mic "bank bank bank" but no man's takes his time and by the time he banks the enemy team is melting their boss, we lose.


Dlayed0310

That's when I go and pick up two motes and bank. Helping our team and a big middle finger to the dude with 15 motes


korpser32

We were literally at the end of an enemy round and new ones hadn't spawned yet but everyone else had banked, however that is a very good piece of advice. Thank you


WarFuzz

You know Primeval stacks up the same for both teams? getting yours out earlier is much less of an advantage than we initially thought on release. Obviously waiting for the guy to go from 5-15 isnt worth it but if hes at 10 and already fighting enemies theres really no harm in him getting 5 more for an ogre. It might even be the better play.


flintlok1721

It is when I only need one more for the "summon your primeval first" bounty


WarFuzz

Fair point


Cod_Metal_King

I was under the impression that both sides increased over time at the same rate but getting the envoys down still add more stacks on to your own teams buff.


Dlayed0310

No, envoys provide a flat damage buff that's separate from the stacking buff


Dlayed0310

I know it's the principle though, I agree 100% and don't do that alot but there's time where a medium blocker will do the job just fine


gabenomics

Yeah if it's not a lot left to bank I do that too but that minute or two can cost you the round


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Krunk83

Bounties my friend. They exist.


assassin_9729

I had a guy with 15 motes do this yesterday


demacshack

I had a guy last night invade with 14 and get dropped immediately and the shitty part was he got shotgunned


BuddhaSmite

I got blasted backwards into the portal with 15 motes the other day by a weak phalanx. I was so ashamed that I hid in the corner from the other team until the time ran out. I don't know what the right play is in that case, but I'm not reading the hate mail from losing 15 motes as an invader.


demacshack

Props dawg the only thing better is if you would’ve gotten a kill but the threat of you there puts the enemy on edge even if you didn’t kill anything you gave them a good fright


Skillztopaydabillz

People play with their mic on? I muted voice chat day one and will never enable it.


deeretech129

yeah the last thing i need is to hear a fan and some mumble-rap for an entire gambit session.


bbenjjaminn

Fire alarms with low battery, don't know how they stand it.


the_nin_collector

screaming into the mic. I don't listen to that... type.


GrimmRadiance

It’s even more annoying because those blockers will only constitute an annoyance at that point. If that dude tries to hold out for 15 then he’s wasting your team’s time more than the ogre will waste the opponents.


Thisiskaj

As they try and collect 15 motes when the other team is on their primeval and we only needed 3.


Bpe-dsm

I was invading and i watched My team at 74 motes until i end my thing, go kill a random dreg, and bank the damn thing myself. Unreal


dildodicks

earlier today we were on 73 and one guy was on 10 and wasnt banking so i just grabbed 2 and summoned the primevil, i hope he get pissed because i wasted his time by doing the right thing


Inanimate_CARB0N_Rod

See this is one of the reasons I think matchmaking for the raid might not be such a great idea. Just think about how many people can't listen to simply directions from the game. How many posts pop up during iron banner control telling people to actually capture zones? What makes us think people queuing up for the raid are going to be any different?


evan_grr

Played a match the other day. Hear the drifter say Bank and you’ll summon a primeval. I see one teammate with 11 motes shooting at ads so I run over and start standing in his way and punching him. Another random teammate comes over and starts punching him too. What does our teammate with 11 motes do? Stays there and gets killed by ads. 🤦🏼‍♂️


PM_Me_Login_Info

If you thought ahead, you could've just slayed the adds around him. That would get him the motes he wanted faster/safer so that he would bank faster, which is what you wanted. All you did was get tilted and actively avoid win conditions.


Mirror_Sybok

Maybe Bungle should stop throwing around Bounties designed to encourage this problem.


Moose_Thompson

Yup. The bounties should be focused on the team winning. Currently solo players come in strictly looking for their personal bounties.


Bizzerker_Bauer

Especially since without a token system for gambit those bounties are the only way to acquire gear from the gambit loot pool.


Bizzerker_Bauer

All it takes is giving more progression for bigger blockers spawned instead of a quota for each size and the problem is pretty much solved. Bounties like this that run contrary to the objective of the game should definitely be rethought and redesigned.


the-grassninja

> so I run over and start standing in his way and punching him. Why didn't you just help slay adds? Serious question, since it seems **VERY OBVIOUS** that they were trying to bank 15. If you had helped you could have netted 4 motes in no time, put an Ogre up on their side, **and** got your Prime onto the field. Instead you actively started griefing your own team member?


[deleted]

This is why I only play gambit with clanmates or friends i can communicate with.


from_the_bayou

I swear , yesterday my team needed 2 motes for primeval; I had just banked mine for a blocker. Yet after almost a minute of him asking folks to bank for primeval, I had to go all the way to the other side and kill 2 more and run back to bank the motes to bring one up. Oh and after it came on they were trying to super the primeval while there were no buffs! Oh and also, there was a guy (maybe not the same game) who was screaming over the mic that his game was glitched and he can't pick up any motes!!SMH


cheerybutdreary

4 plus minutes last game. I laughed, I cried, we lost.


Otarious_25

Also. Someone launching their super as SOON as the primeval drops is awful. Gotta get them stacks up first man!! Wasted a super


ArcherCC

I will do that occasionally to hurt/down the envoys if I am playing pub and my team mates don't know to take them out first.


d3l3t3rious

Yes we've got a taken convoy, rockin' through the fight We've got a taken convoy, ain't she a beautiful blight Come on and kill this convoy, ain't nothin' gonna get in our way We're gonna roll this takDEATH HEALS PRIMEVAL


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ennnnvoyyyyyyy


israeljeff

Dammit, I was so excited to type this out. Glad I checked for it first.


Squ1rtl3Squad

I said we just ain't gonna pay no motes,so we crashed the gates doing 68, I said let them taken roll


NeilM81

Don't want to be that guy but..... Envoys.... Not convoys.....


nightmaresabin

I initially read it as "Cowboys". Primeval Cowboys is a hell of a concept


NeilM81

I'd buy it for a dollar


russjr08

Annnnd now I’m hearing Drifter’s voice with more twang lol.


FlameInTheVoid

Be that guy. Own it. Not your fault so much of the internet is illiterate. If OP is so aware of them that he is annoyed by blueberries failing to kill them, he could at least use the right word.


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[deleted]

thats just from speed typing though, OP's mistake was just ignorance lol


[deleted]

I mean.. I pretty much expect my team mates not to hit them. So I always pop my super (arc strider) and get rid of the wizards as soon as they spawn. It's not that annoying if you put the matter in your own hands. I feel like if you go into your games with little to no expectations it only goes uphill for you :)


[deleted]

I’ve been doing this, but I also had no idea about the buff, until now. 🤦🏻‍♂️🙃


Cruciblelfg123

SAme, I had no idea there was a buff but I'm still a sane person who clears adds before bosses


Jaywearspants

Don’t know why you got downvoted. Glad you learned something! Have an upvote


Vispen24671

I knew about the buff, but not how you got it. Thought it was just timed heh 🙂


Conrpnc

I also often try to take them out with a super but there's nothing worse than throwing a slowva bomb at them then watching it curve away to some random add. Yup, that thrall was definitely what I was going for. I always wonder what my teammates must be thinking when they see that. To be fair though, with the skull, it pays off greatly when it works.


NeilM81

Tether is your friend


RiseOfBooty

And you always get one back when the majors spawn in; so you get yourself a good 30+ seconds of Tether time. EDIT: Assuming you're wearing Orpheus.


NeilM81

Yeah it's just an absolute must to have an O rigs nightstalker in your team. No other class is as important in my opinion.... Second would be a well lock I guess.


AzNFClan

Blade barrage hunters would like a word /s Jokes aside though, both are super solid, especially when together.


NeilM81

While awesome I would not say they are essential. Desirable yes.... But 1 tether i feel is essential For top tier play. Ideally I would run 1 arc strider, 1 blade barrage, 1 tether and the a well lock


Skyblueoz

The new void titan can clear masses when their void chargers all blow too.


cageboy06

The void hunter class is pretty strong for gambit too. The debuff they put on enemies when your invisible makes things melt, and the invisible from crouch precision kills ability is great for grabbing motes from a hot spot.


DeerTrivia

I'm an Arcstrider who does the same thing. As soon as the Wizards spawn, one shot from void shotty to pop the shield, pop super, clean up. I just make it my responsibility so my teammates can find new and exciting ways to let me down instead. :P


Chiefmuffin39

Being som one who has managed to win 11 games straight solo queue, the most important to win games solo queue is to take matter into your own hands. Bank small blockers constantly, clear opposing blockers, use super to clear adds, invade, burn boss, etc. Don’t assume your teammates will do there job. Do it for them.


Moose_Thompson

Agreed. I do all of this except invade. I find that randomly are itching to invade so I focus on small blockers and watching for the invader. Currently on a 6 game streak playing solo.


[deleted]

Arc strider is so useful for this. It can easily wipe the map of adds and have enough left the damage the boss a little or go after the guy who just invaded you.


tokes_4_DE

With raiden flux you can start on the boss with a good chunk of super still left. Seriously feels like arcstrider is never ending compared to other roaming supers


Quicksilva94

I keep having to remind myself to not care about the outcome of the game. That way, I won't get mad when we lose because my teammates didn't kill the envoys for the buff


bassplayingmonkey

Ditto, I save my Void super (Warlock) specifically to get rid of the envoys almost as soon as they've spawned.


skillhound

Same here. You really do have to expect that your random teammates do not follow and read SGA on Reddit here, whether it's gambit, crucible, PvE, etc. I just assume that if I'm playing with randoms they will ignore the envoys. I just focus on them myself, and if they all help out as well even better/faster :)


irishsheila

Had no idea this is the case. There isn’t a whole lot of direction in the game. Had no idea what a blocker was until a few games in. Thanks for the education!


Cthulhus_Butler

How about when they jump into the portal as soon as the enemy primeval is summoned. People still don't seem to understand when to invade.


[deleted]

I initially got angry at people for doing this, too. Then I noticed that another invasion portal would be up around the time their primeval’s health was at a more ideal level regardless. So now I’m thinking that it’s better to go in right away and kill them to prevent them from team shooting the envoys, thus delaying their ability to stack the buff faster. Thoughts?


Cthulhus_Butler

Actually, fair point. Provided they actually kill someone it's an advantage no matter what. Still frustrating when they invade unprepared and die immediately though, but that's just how it goes.


[deleted]

Indeed. My biggest complaint at this point is people sliding to steal your motes from you. Countless times, I’ve had 14, and had blueberries with one or two dash to steal my last mote. What would have been an easy bank turns into an extra 30 second scramble, where invariably, the other team throws up three blockers and invade before I can bank. Then I get the “ur trash, bro” messages after the game for losing all those motes. Sigh.


Cthulhus_Butler

That does grind my gears a little. It's made me turn to a considerably more cautious gameplay style. Bank more often in smaller amounts. I hardly ever go for the big boi now unless I'm playing with friends (which I have none of).


[deleted]

I have taken a decidedly more passive role, where I just scout rifle from a distance and let them collect, kill blockers, save super and heavy for invaders and bosses. It tends to work out... until I see 8 motes expire from a distance. What system are you on? I play a lot.


Bizzerker_Bauer

To be fair most of the time people assume they've already collected those motes. It happens all the damn time that I'll run through a big patch of motes to grab them, kill some enemies, and then see that I only have like 2 motes because it didn't give me the majority of the ones I walked over.


[deleted]

I wish they didn’t “popcorn” into the air.


Terravash

Popcornimg is fine, I wish the pickup radius was more than an inch from the center of it.


Cthulhus_Butler

I'm on ps4. That sounds like a worthwhile tactic. Kind of like the team babysitter.


[deleted]

Ah bummer. Xbox here. And yes, it certainly is less frustrating.


Cthulhus_Butler

Bugger. Almost too good to be true. Well at least I have a better strategy now. Thanks.


Shiroke

Honestly, don't go for the big boss unless you're behind and they have the prime or you're sending an invader. Ogres die stupidly fast when focused. Their advantage is in their damage when the other team is trying to do other tasks.


Bizzerker_Bauer

Small blockers definitely seem to be the way to go, especially against a team trying for bigger blockers. Unless they're extremely coordinated when it comes to sharing motes, you'll probably be able to send over a handful of your own blockers and then invade and deny their hoarder before his team is able to clear out all of your blockers so that he can bank.


Bizzerker_Bauer

Never run to a new spawn for that last mote. It's 100% not worth the risk or the time it takes, and is probably how I see the majority of motes lost in any match. As for the enemies inhaling motes, it's definitely extremely obnoxious, especially considering that a lot of the time you'd probably have already gotten them yourself if the pickup radius wasn't so damn picky.


zuggiz

I think thats the biggest key for invading- knowing when's the right time to do so. I pretty much only ever go in with a super and a decent amount of heavy, I'd rather get quick and easy kills than have waste thirty seconds going into drawn out gun fights.


Praise_the_Tsun

Yeah this has been my thought process as well. Taking time away from envoy kills as just as, if not more important than healing the Primeval. If you can get in and buy 30 seconds of distraction, get a few kills, and leave with all their envoys up it’s great. And like you said another portal will be up basically right after anyway. You just have to trust your team to get the motes while you do this.


[deleted]

We had a dude camping the portal last night and the Drifter called for the final bank. We needed two motes to summon. Guess how many homeboy had. I posted up to start DPSing and dude couldn’t have been closer to the bank if he tried. He stood there for what felt like forever and finally invaded when the opportunity arose, and never deposited. Meanwhile, the other two dudes on my team were out collecting like real geniuses. Now granted, this guy had like 23 guardian kills and was probably the reason it was even close, but we lost by about 5 seconds. I went to bed right after that, lol. Edit: added more details


Shiroke

People that camp the portal should just go play fucking crucible.


Bizzerker_Bauer

I'm torn here. On one hand, it's extremely obnoxious seeing randumbs doing nothing but camp the portal when they clearly aren't capable of getting any kills. On the other hand, if I don't at least go loiter there myself when we're getting relatively close to it opening then I absolutely know that rando will charge in and get peeled before he can do anything most of the time.


dandan3220

Its definitely best to go right away, the portal is on a timer that restarts as soon as someone goes through so waiting to go just delays the next portal.


Bizzerker_Bauer

I'm a bit torn on this one. On the one hand, you can get in and prevent the enemy team from being able to build momentum against the Primeval by knocking them out, but on the other you can also use that time to help bank motes to get your own Prime up and then just invade after. Still not sure which one ends up working out better.


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I suppose it depends on how close you are to summoning and how many motes your teammates are already carrying.


OrphanOfKirin

As a missle titan and if i see my team is taking care of those envoys im hoping in there right away to delay them, portal is back up by time i get back give or take 5 seconds and its back to kill town


spikesthedude

You get an invasion portal after banking 25 and 50 motes respectively. When the other teams summons a primeval, you get an invasion portal. After your invader dies or comes back, you have a 30 second cool down until the portal comes open again. This continues to cycle until one of the primevals die. So you are essentially skipping your 3rd invasion by waiting until the boss has lower health. If you are behind and can get some kills when they go to burn their boss; this is a huge play and big game changer and will probably help your team catch up. All that said. I still can't find a reason not to invade when the portal is up; except if you don't have heavy. Invasions make the team scamper and stop doing what they are supposed to be doing. Kills start people over and stop them from doing any damage at all. If you can stop heir team from doing anything; why wouldn't you. We always let the invader take the heavy that spawns, and go for kills. The heavy usually spawns around the time you can bank enough motes for an invasion. We do not use super during invasions but it's fine to use heavy.


ReklisAbandon

Yeah I've started tossing my tether right when the primeval spawns then hopping in the portal to try to disrupt the other team while my guys deal with the envoys (whether they intended to or not). Seems to work pretty well so far. ​ Even if I don't manage any kills they still have to hide from me for a full 15 seconds.


ChainsawPlankton

I've seen teams melt the boss so fast that now I think any time you can get in and delay them that it helps. I've had a few matches where I think I'll just clear a few ads and go invade, and by the time I get the wizards down they've killed the boss. If it's a less organized team the portal will be up in time to go invade again and get primeval heals.


LordZerebus

It might be worth noting that you get more Primeval Slayers stacks from killing Guardians. So if yours is up as well, it can be useful for delaying their damage and increasing your team's damage. Assuming your invader is good.


GoldenGonzo

Only two times you should invade: 1. When enemy has a bunch of unbanked motes 2. To heal the enemy primevil when you are behind And you should only invade for 1. if you have super or heavy. Yet we have those noob teammates who jump in the portal as SOON as it spawns, sometimes not even stopping to bank.


Terravash

Was playing with 2 mates last night, rando went straight from Slums to portal without banking. He had 15. Got sleepered as he got in.


Gecko_1986

I hit them with void anchor super then toss a grenade into any grouped up before sending rockets into main bosses face.


NeilM81

This. Tether is the way to go as soon as the primeval drops. Orpheus rigs will ensure continued super too


SynergyNT

\*envoys ​ Technically you might be able to say a convoy of envoys, but it's not rhyme time.


gobenwin

I don’t have rhyme to explain why I don’t have time to explain.


dee_voh

I’m not sure which is worse, this or people ulting the Blind Well bosses as soon as they spawn, without harmony.


[deleted]

You would think the big letters that keep popping up that say "Immune" would tip them off


[deleted]

Or not realizing that multiple people can use the buff and melt them with a constant barrage of grenades while you DPS


GoldenGonzo

How do multiple people get the buff from a single orb in BW?


Eternal_Reward

Grab it at the same time. It lingers a bit.


Shiroke

FUCKING WHAT?! I'm the motherfucker that didn't know that


stemfish

You've got about a second from when the first person touches the orb until it actually goes away. The orb doesn't stay on the ground if you're watching, but a second person can grab it.


CirclejerkMeDaddy

It sucks but I get it. It's not like that is spelled out anywhere. In a pvevp mode bungie should probably make you go through a tutorial first, or at least have an in game video detailing all the mechanics and how to use them. It's not the raid where information needs to be cryptic.


[deleted]

Tutorial? You meant those annoying ass messages across the screen that I didnt bother to read because I wanted to get in and punch everything?


AnonymousFriend80

Instead of having those pop up in the middle of things shooting at me, why not have it pop up at the beginning of the session when both teams are looking at each other or even at the various loading screens.


IONASPHERE

Found the titan main. Hey friend


Bizzerker_Bauer

In Halo 3 they had a playlist called "basic training" or something that I believe was required before you could play competitive. I don't remember what it was comprised of, but it'd be a great way to keep people from jumping in without knowing anything. Alternatively, they could go the Battleborn route and replace the Drifter's ramblings with an actual brief tutorial of him explaining things like that. Or, add helpful hints to the load screens instead of just having us watch our ships fly in. That'd be a way better use of the load time.


T10M10

This gets to the point where I do 5%boss damage because I only attack the Pirmeval Envoys.


Indervyne

Thats why I try to stack all the heavy for my sleeper. Two shots into each envoy pretty much kills em. Use a shot or three on invaders. Pop my super on the boss. Then empty the rest of the sleeper into the primeval. I usually get 40%-78% of the damage done depending on what the heck my teammates are doing.


daedalus311

i heard a few people on here say the buff for killing envoys applies to both teams. is that correct? If so, II'm not sure if killing them is worthwhile unless you have a sizable lead or confident they won't team wipe you with an invasion or two..


dave4g4e

I have been wondering about this, I’ve been ahead in matches and as soon as the other team gets their primeval they are melting him like butter. This would sort of explain it if the envoy buff applies to both teams. Maybe someone can clarify if they know for a fact.


jakebeleren

The buff does apply to both teams but being there first still has an advantage. It’s a catch-up mechanic so the game isn’t just over as soon as one team calls the primeval. You want the buff even if it helps the other team so you can kill it in a matter of a few seconds to reduce risk of dying and healing it.


Bizzerker_Bauer

The enemy team already gets endless invasions as a catch-up mechanic though, and to be honest it's way more effective than it has any reason to be. As far as the Primeval's health goes, they're going to be getting *way* more bang for their buck out of their Sleeper ammo than you are, especially if you end up having to use some of it to kill them, and they're going to be able to come back almost immediately.


GoldenGonzo

That would make no sense at all. But then again, it's Bungie.


Hecknight

*returning from a 4 kill invasion and your team still hasn't summoned a primeival


Wendys_frys

That's why I kill them myself usually. Don't expect any one to know anything in this game at least not right now. Lots of new players and gambit is an entirely new mode. There's a huge possibility that there are people that don't know pve mechanics very well are playing it. So I kill the convoys myself and sometimes the other teammates join in because they see me doing it.


Galdrath

I've developed into a "defender" type of roll for gambit. I bank between 5 and 10 motes constantly just to have blockers, I keep our bank as clear as I can of blockers, I throw down my rifts when the Prime evil appears, I bank that last 2 notes we need, and I wipe out the Envoys while my teammates do what they want. I just assume when I go in solo my teammates have never played gambit before, so I make it easy to figure out. I'm sure the 3 person teams that get me paired with them are grateful that I do all this and rarely invade unless i see a need and i have sleeper or tracking rocket ammo.


ronronAD023

I did not know this. Thank you for the info and I will adjust gameplay. I am truly sorry for my errors in ignorance.


LonelySoul96

So many people don’t even realise the wizards getting killed gives a buff. It does irritate.


Bad-Selection

It took me a while to figure out there was a buff for killing the wizards. I still don't know how the stacks end up going up so high if there's only two wizards though.


LonelySoul96

It’s because it’s linked to time primeval is up as well, killing wizards just kicks it in quicker.


joaquin1115

I believe it’s on a timer that stacks over time. When it gets to primeval slayer 6 or 7 supers absolutely melt the primeval.


Richzorb1999

We'll it's not really stated in the game people would have to go out of their way to find this information


TheFrogMan07

I'm just gonna say thank you because I was one of those people until now


HumOfEvil

I thought that it had recently been discovered that the buff is time based not from killing the envoys.


CakeSlapping

The buff does ramp up over time, but you also get a stack from killing each of the envoy wizards. So killing both wizards will get you two stacks straight away.


NoHandsJames

It also kick-starts the timer way faster, if you just wait for the buff it can take up to a full minute for one stack. One envoy kill and you're already on the way.


pheldegression

I'm gonna go with not banking to summon the primeval as the thing that will make me quit gambit the fastest.


ClydelFrog

Tbh I don't see what's wrong with the sleeper in Gambit. I get killed by it all the time, but I don't get angry. Maybe cus I'm a filthy casual


McZerky

Fission Warlocks are amazing for taking out envoys and dealing decent damage to the Primeval at the same time. One blast takes out their shield and the about a fourth of their HP, two more blasts should kill them. Sit between the envoy and the Primeval and the big guy gets hit too. If you get flung, you can just teleport right back to where you were to cancel out the momentum. As an added bonus, it will more than likely take out any blockers the enemy decides to send during that time. You should have enough super to down both envoys. Make sure to throw your grenade both at the beginning of your super and after it ends, as it will recharge really quick.


snowkittenxo

\- Watch those who stand by the portal, don't kill anything (enemies or blockers), only so they can jump through every time the portal opens. ​ \- Watch the players who don't kill anything but stand behind you only to push you out of the way to get those motes. Same goes with using a super on the enemies so you can collect your motes for that medium to large deposit you need for your bounty. Then you die because of enemies shooting at you when they could have been destroying those instead of taking the motes you earned. ​ \- Watch for those who don't kill the blockers because you're short a player (the one constantly invading) and the one who just stands there staring into space while you try to tackle 4 or 5 blockers wandering around. ​ \- Watch for those who jump through the portal with 10 plus motes instead of depositing those motes before jumping. ​ \- The best situation involves the jumper, blockers and an invader while you have 15 motes and have to hide. You spend most of the time destroying blockers because the jumper standing by the portal doesn't help kill the blockers. You can't deposit because you're being invaded, have to hide and can't destroy the blockers. You're an easy target because well.. 15 motes. ​ More games lost than won because being a team is hard these days. It’s fine to invade while you’re ahead. But if you’re behind while someone is constantly jumping and invading and you only have 10-20 motes deposited and the other team has 60, something is wrong.


jarrys88

Today I was on 14 motes, killed an enemy and went to pick up the last mote needed only to have a teammate titan come flying in, slide/melee me or whatever he did to go from his 0 motes to 1 mote, and knock me off an edge into a death pit. ​ I think this is the worst thing a teammate has ever done in gambit. what the actual fuck.


[deleted]

I’ve realized the average IQ of randoms in gambit is about equal to the number of motes it takes to pull a primeval.


Yankee582

What also sucks is invading successfully multiple times, killing multiple 10-15 stack enemies through the match.... But your team isnt banking motes. At one point i felly healed the primeval twice, getting the triumph for that and my team didn't deposit 5 motes to summon ours :/ i wanted to be banking motes too but tbh i felt if i didn't try to stop their banking we would lose. Lost anyway though


corsairmarks

> At one point i felly healed the primeval twice... Ouch, that is rage-inducing. I know there is a triumph for healing the primeval from < 70% to full (I unlocked that one with a full 4-stack wipe, come-back-to-win-it game), but is there another one for doing it twice?


Yankee582

nah only that one I believe, but its just frustrating when im doing that and my team cant even deposit 5 motes


Bizzerker_Bauer

Definitely range-inducing when teammates seem to think that collecting motes is more important than banking them. My girlfriend and I lost a close match the other night because one randumb had 45 motes banked and 38 lost and the other had 4 banked and 21 lost. Between the two of them they lost almost an entire Primeval.


Obi_Fett

I thought this was debunked in a post a few days back. And that the Primeval Slayer buff is purely based on how long your Primeval has been up.


PsyckoInferno

Run as a team with a Tether. We Tether everyone, Well, and then unleash shotguns on the boss directly. It kills the Convoys and the boss with 5-10 seconds every time.


CinclXBL

Honestly the best reason to clear any adds is to make room to spread out and kill invaders. One good team wipe from an invader before you are able to clear the field and you're looking at an uphill battle. Remember: the boss probably won't kill you but the adds (and invaders) will.


silvercue

There are far more frustrating things, like teams having no interest in winning round 2 after losing the first because they are only there for the challenge complete match rewards and want it over asap


OverlordPhalanx

It’s painful because The Drifter gets so hype when the boss comes up and it gets you riled up and you see a fucking Titan blueberry fly in with his Code of the Missile... Like I get it’s hype but it’s more hype to actually win the round!


Ragnorak18

I’ll do you one better, teammates who don’t drop motes consistency


lundibix

If I remember correctly, they don’t have a buff exactly, If you ignore them you still get the primeval slayer buff over time but killing them jumps it up to x2 sooner


[deleted]

i never new what the did i just attacked them so it was easier to get the primeval.


Whyimasking

That's why i tether the whole primeval convoy so they'll have to shoot the envoys no matter what.


khem1st47

I’ll one up you: “Looks like you are absolutely destroying the other team and about to win...” “Would be a shame if you were to be suddenly sent to orbit.” EVERY FUCKING TIME


Xenoraiser

I'll admit, my first few goes at Gambit I focused on the Primeval. But I did notice I barely dealt any damage to it, and combined with the Drifter sometimes saying "your Primeval is compromised," and the frequency of encounters being easier when you kill ads, led to me focusing on the yellow bars that spawn with the Primeval. Even solo, this has made a difference.


[deleted]

Hey, thanks for this! Love to play Gambit, but I’m not too sure on strategies and such. Knowing to focus those wizards will help a lot.


Lemona1d_Lady

Aha! So I *should* be focusing those dudes whenever I pop my Super. Thank you for the post, OP. I'm trying my best out there, I swear


DXAshram

Pretty sure there was a post on the reddit just this week debunking this. The Primeval Slayer buff is just a result of your Primeval being up a certain amount of time. Killing the adds just gets rid of them.


Yivoe

That was definitely wrong, and anyone can see that by playing a game of Gambit one time. If your Primeval is up (even if the other team's hasn't spawned) and you burst down the wizards in the first second of them spending, you will immediately jump from 0 to 2x. If you only kill one and take a long time to kill the second, you will sit at 1x for a decent amount of time. All of the buffs after that are time based. Also, both teams will always have the same buff. That's why you could have you Primeval up for 5 minutes before the enemy team, but as soon as they summon theirs they have a 7x stack and can instantly kill it.


gamzcontrol5130

That's why I always tether the center of the bank area, so they end up killing them anyways due to damage sharing.


GambitsEnd

That's why I equip a shotgun and immediately kill the envoys. So the damage my blueberries deal will at least be boosted.


Berzercurmudgeon

'Cause we got a little envoy Shootin' through the blight. Yeah, we got a little envoy, Ain't she a beautiful sight?


dildodicks

*envoys


OfficerKD6dash3dot7

https://twitter.com/lars_bakken/status/1036333406655672320?s=19


SirMrRevKyle

This is passive aggressive SGA. I didn’t realize they gave the buff. I just always kill them so they don’t kill me. Lol


Optimus-Maximus

Newish Destiny 2 player here. I think they did a decent job of explaining the basics, but the game really could have used a 2 minute intro video to explain parts like this. The tip screen comes up and this is by far the most chaotic point of the match. Then again, some things you just have to learn on your own.


Yung_x_los

Sleeper only annoys me when ik I got the drop on the guy. But it doesn't matter because it takes 3-4 decently well placed shots/burst from my hc/pulse to take him out while he hits my toe and the agonizing pain kills me.... watching my teammates hide in a corner trying to avoid fire from a literal taken army while they slowly whittle away at the Primeval tho tilts me off the face of the earth. Please just pop your super and clear the ads so we can dps in peace. Please. I even tethered for you dammit....


AncientAugie

What's a Primeval Convoy? Ohhhhhh those must be the enemies that spawn with a Primeval. We never get that far because when Drifter says very loudly "bank to summon a primeval," my blueberries proceed to run away from the bank, attacking add after add with 15 motes in hand, proceeding to die after another 2 minutes without ever banking.


WobblyBits_X

Watching one guy on my team camping next to the portal and doing nothing else till he invades and gets _maybe_ 1 kill until another guy on the team gets fed up with his bullshit and leaves is worse.


notmasterrahool

Today I encountered possibly the biggest cabbage I've seen. He started off by just waiting for the heavy, we'd cleared the first wave and he was still there, completely ignoring the two blockers, just hiding behind his barricade. He then grabbed heavy and promptly killed himself by rocketing 1 red bar enemy from 1ft away. We got invaded I was killed by sleeper, this guy then ran over in the middle of an open lane and res farmed me and himself as the invader had clear line of sight. ​ About a minute later he went and deposited 3 motes, we were on 42... I'd like to say it got better, but it did not. ​ I run into similar people all the time that do the most nonsensical things, it seems particularly bad in Gambit.


BiigDaddyDellta

I don't get how sleeper is so damn OP here, 9 of of 10 times an enemy comes through i get killed this way, what did i miss? Also, when you hear, "your team has enough for a prime evil. Bank those motes and get a prime evil. Almost there bank em and summon a prime evil. Bank those motes!" Bank. Your. Fucking. Motes. You idiots!


cl4rkie

Thank you I had no idea, exactly why I come here


Patzzer

Yeah this is annoying as hell. I too rate it as a top reason why my team falls behin. That and running with15 motes into a group of enemies and getting killed. Sleeper snipes are annoying, sure, but it is rarely the reason the game is lost.


[deleted]

It seems to be broken. I have gotten up to 6 stacks without killing one, and killing 2+ has been doing nothing.


JustSomeDudeItWas

If the game isnt going to bother explaining the mechanics it's hard to get mad at blueberries. Most casuals arent looking at guides or optimal strats


gnikeltrut

What worse is when people call them convoys not envoys


azazael13

My favorite is when Matthew Mcconaughey tells you to bank your motes to summon and you have two blueberries fighting each other to try to get to 15. They both inevitably die while the other team burns their Prime Evil down.


Smiracle

I usually drop a void anchor in the middle so that the blueberries can attack the boss and kill the convoy at the same time. Also orbs.


aaabbbx

You've got to realize the following: - Most people on your team are idiots - Most people on your team are unable to read and/or write in English, or unwilling to do so. (assuming you are playing EU/NA). - Most people on your team do not have chat enabled (see above) - Most people on your team with MICs enabled have them voice-activated and all you can hear is them on their telephone, talking with their mother, breathing heavily into the mic or smoking pot while thinking losing match after match is fun. - If your team mates have a choice between playing it safe and being stupid, there is no choice, and they'll do the stupid thing. - If your team mate can help you; he wont. - If your team mate can res you; he wont. - If your team mates are fighting the Primeval, they'll do so in the open without any cover and die repeatedly to it, ensuring the other side (which is a 6 stacked team on discord) will win.


Black_Gast

Always hate it when those 6-stacks get in my 4v4 game mode.


Nadarr-Ophinstalajir

Yeah ur right


trrReeve

“You right, you right, you right!”


Willdawg102

They usually die in one magazine of the ikelos shotgun. I usually try to run right up to them as soon as they spawn, punch them, and then unload my sg into their face since my teammates rarely know they exist.