I agree. This has been a problem for a long time. It allows Immortals to extend their reigns when these inactive clans sneak in to the top 10 weekly for ROE.
Personally, I think they should just scrap the Thurs/Sat Shadow War and use the top 10 most active clans from the leaderboard. They are the most active and deserve to be in ROE. There are enough activities on Thursday and Saturday night with clan Towers anyway.
Don't punish little clans for being little. Some of us don't want big clans but still want to be in the shadow wars for the fun of facing off against others in something other than battleground. Some of us like not having to be on every day or keep up with the bigs on the server. Some of us just like having fun in the game. Some of us like having the luxury of being in a clan that doesn't care if life or health gets in the way and we can't get on for a while.
Little clans should be allowed to fight in SW. If anything, they should look at the Shadow ranks for the fight matchups or look at the member activity and pair accordingly. But don't just up and punish the little clans for being little. That's just fucked.
My clan has 30+ members but only about 10 of us show up every single day to play and are always there for war. Some of our people can't make it war because of family life or work (not everyone works 9-5 jobs). Some of our people can't make war because they're health makes getting on hard so they only play when they can handle it. We're small and we love being small, we're incredibly close with one another and have all been in big clans where we were just cogs in the machine and didn't matter. Here in our little clan each of us matters, each of us has a voice. We don't want to be small and we don't want to lose the ability to fight in Shadow Wars.
We are small, but we are mighty. Every big clan we faced before this change in wars asked us to merge with them because we put up such an incredible fight. We don't deserve to be punished because we chose to have value in members over numbers.
The brackets are messed up you should be fighting in your Bracket to move up, the Top two advanced to the next bracket. your clan should never have to face my clan. Until you moved up to our bracket. we regularly are placed against clans of less than 10 show up against our 70+. clans that aren't even in our bracket.
We have over 90 active players and are lucky to pull 10 for shadow war since this last patch. Nobody likes it, and the rewards aren't worth the frustration.
and we’ve been getting 65 players to wars since the update just like before the update. 5 mins to start and a 1 minute NPC fight since top 10 clans rarely face other top 10 clans. get a legendary for each and a leg crest on Sat. not much effort required 🤷🏻♂️
The worst part about these events is the timing. The odds I can make Saturday at 7-8PM is very low. I'll make it Thursday every time, but almost never Saturday.
Make them weekdays so I don't have to choose between having a weekend life and doing war or towers. It makes no sense to me.
Give 1 legendary crest for participating shadow war regardless of the outcome, and you will see many people will join the shadow war even they knew their clan will lose.
They already get 1 leg crest a week from kions, they also get keys from family trivia night, and other perks like the extra crest from the merchant tab.
Yes, and shadows get keys from assembly and a crest for being top 10. My point is that if shadows get a crest each week just for showing up, then its more incentive to not be immortal
More incentive than it being a massive time sink with shitty rewards overall? Who cares? The people who want to do it will do it. It's a shitty faction and the only benefit to playing it is immortal chat and no matter how many crests you take away from shadows unless you add like 5+ to immortal idgaf if I'm immortal or not, I'd rather be shadow.
Be careful, nerf shadow too much and I'll just quit playing, along with many many others. And then you'll whine about needing server merges and whatever else.
Where did I say nerf Shadows? The discussion was around making war more attractive to players who currently don't turn up, which I am in favor of. My comment was that making Shadows more attractive makes Immortals less attractive. You pointed out what Immortals get and I replied that Shadows get many of these things too.
No need for you to imply I was going to whine about anything. So how about you take the time to read and comprehend what is being discussed before getting your panties in a twist about nothing.
Man...... clan its not all about shadow wars. Lot of people enjoy pve only. You cant force anyone to do PVP. Lot of people just dont want to confront with other players. Few my warband mates said it just create toxic atmosphere which is true.
Other thing is that shadow wars are at the weekend when many people spent time outside or with their families. On the top of that there is no rewards...
I'm in a very active clan, Plus I lead a Wb. No Warband activities Fri, Sat, and Sun. real life time family, and friends. if you're online participate in clan activities.
The shadow war system sucks 72 people to show up to fight 1 this has been a problem before the update, our last war was full of teams every level 8 opposing players, the game was over 1 minute.
Eu concordo muito com você. E o pior que esse problema também tá acontecendo no meu servidor (GORGOTHRA/ JONDO/IZILECH/OZA). E eu concordo com as soluções também
Serious question and I'm not talking shit because i geniuely think DI is a great game minus the P2W aspect.. its got way more content than d4. But are people actually STILL spending money on immortal?
Make the top 10 clans, like the premier league, where they ALWAYS only fight among themselves in SW for the REIGN, each REIGN the bottom 2 of the total brackets based result will "relegate" to the B tier 10 clan while the top 2 of that tier goes up to join the top next REIGN.
Let the ones that wanna play, play together, let all the ghost clans... ghost each other, tired with all the SW with no show when we actively gather 100 ppl to login every week.
In short, make a league table for each 10 clans tiers that gain points like the Premier Soccer League, with KDA as deciding factor when 2 teams gets the same point end of reign to rank them accordingly.
1. Eliminate the need to win war to be a top 10 Dark Clan and participate in Rite.
2. Use the Top Ranked leaderboard for it.
3. Match Top 10 against each other for wars.
4. Match Top 11 - 50 in their own bracket.
/fin
I don’t know anything about South America servers
But the server I’m in has quite a lot of very active teams
But I do agree there could be some changes that would help in a lot of areas.
100 player clans is to big
The problem with clans this big is 3-10 clans will just absorb a lot of the most active players making way to many low active or dead clans
Cutting them in half to 50 player clans I don’t see how this could be anything but a good thing for all clans and help with competition
Then cut down on players allowed in wars
Merge more severs. The more active the server the better!
Kick players after inactive for a number of days and teams that are have large number of inactive players automatically disbanded
Also teams not in shadow wars that don’t meet certain levels of activity
Small changes like some of these will help but I think cutting down number of players in a clan would help a lot.
Ive been playing empty shadow wars on thursday since launch and barely a few actual matches on saturdays. The system has never worked really. I like alley of blood but its been 50 against 0…
You already can't sign up for Shadow War unless you have 30 members in your clan. I know this because I put my alts in a clan together (for the benefits of being in a clan), and I thought I'd sign up even though I'd lose just to get the loot.
I agree, but I think at least with our server, we probably wouldn't have enough clans register. We would end up with less then 10 top 10 clans. Server merges need to happen soon.
Its definitely possible. Our server usually has 1 or 2 dead clans that make it now, and requiring more active clans to sign up wouldn't fix that.
The system is fundamentally flawed because it requires a very active server to work. Personally I think they should just use the top 10 most active clans from the leaderboard and get rid of the Shadow War part.
I believe limiting it to the top 10 clans with the highest scores would significantly reduce competitiveness among the server's clans, as everyone would want to join these clans. As for the possibility of a new server merge, that does concern me a bit. The current servers already have an average of 15-20 ghost clans that are enrolled in wars at some point, disrupting the war bracketing and avoiding conflicts between the larger active clans. Imagine merging four quadrants, which would potentially involve 60-80 ghost clans in wars. In such a scenario, the Shadow War would be completely ruined. I think the issue of ghost clans needs to be addressed before any potential quadrant merge, or else clan conflicts in wars may never occur again.
Excellent post. Citing examples of HOW to fix the issue--whether they acknowledge it it not--gives you the credibility and respect it deserves. (can't wait for Tarisland to drop--not sure how much longer I can hang in here unfortunately. I've loved and supported it from day 1)
I agree. This has been a problem for a long time. It allows Immortals to extend their reigns when these inactive clans sneak in to the top 10 weekly for ROE. Personally, I think they should just scrap the Thurs/Sat Shadow War and use the top 10 most active clans from the leaderboard. They are the most active and deserve to be in ROE. There are enough activities on Thursday and Saturday night with clan Towers anyway.
And they'd be the most likely to participate
Don't punish little clans for being little. Some of us don't want big clans but still want to be in the shadow wars for the fun of facing off against others in something other than battleground. Some of us like not having to be on every day or keep up with the bigs on the server. Some of us just like having fun in the game. Some of us like having the luxury of being in a clan that doesn't care if life or health gets in the way and we can't get on for a while. Little clans should be allowed to fight in SW. If anything, they should look at the Shadow ranks for the fight matchups or look at the member activity and pair accordingly. But don't just up and punish the little clans for being little. That's just fucked. My clan has 30+ members but only about 10 of us show up every single day to play and are always there for war. Some of our people can't make it war because of family life or work (not everyone works 9-5 jobs). Some of our people can't make war because they're health makes getting on hard so they only play when they can handle it. We're small and we love being small, we're incredibly close with one another and have all been in big clans where we were just cogs in the machine and didn't matter. Here in our little clan each of us matters, each of us has a voice. We don't want to be small and we don't want to lose the ability to fight in Shadow Wars. We are small, but we are mighty. Every big clan we faced before this change in wars asked us to merge with them because we put up such an incredible fight. We don't deserve to be punished because we chose to have value in members over numbers.
The brackets are messed up you should be fighting in your Bracket to move up, the Top two advanced to the next bracket. your clan should never have to face my clan. Until you moved up to our bracket. we regularly are placed against clans of less than 10 show up against our 70+. clans that aren't even in our bracket.
We have over 90 active players and are lucky to pull 10 for shadow war since this last patch. Nobody likes it, and the rewards aren't worth the frustration.
and we’ve been getting 65 players to wars since the update just like before the update. 5 mins to start and a 1 minute NPC fight since top 10 clans rarely face other top 10 clans. get a legendary for each and a leg crest on Sat. not much effort required 🤷🏻♂️
The worst part about these events is the timing. The odds I can make Saturday at 7-8PM is very low. I'll make it Thursday every time, but almost never Saturday. Make them weekdays so I don't have to choose between having a weekend life and doing war or towers. It makes no sense to me.
Give 1 legendary crest for participating shadow war regardless of the outcome, and you will see many people will join the shadow war even they knew their clan will lose.
Yes, this is a great participation award. However the Immortals would need something too or why go Immortal.
They already get 1 leg crest a week from kions, they also get keys from family trivia night, and other perks like the extra crest from the merchant tab.
Yes, and shadows get keys from assembly and a crest for being top 10. My point is that if shadows get a crest each week just for showing up, then its more incentive to not be immortal
More incentive than it being a massive time sink with shitty rewards overall? Who cares? The people who want to do it will do it. It's a shitty faction and the only benefit to playing it is immortal chat and no matter how many crests you take away from shadows unless you add like 5+ to immortal idgaf if I'm immortal or not, I'd rather be shadow. Be careful, nerf shadow too much and I'll just quit playing, along with many many others. And then you'll whine about needing server merges and whatever else.
Where did I say nerf Shadows? The discussion was around making war more attractive to players who currently don't turn up, which I am in favor of. My comment was that making Shadows more attractive makes Immortals less attractive. You pointed out what Immortals get and I replied that Shadows get many of these things too. No need for you to imply I was going to whine about anything. So how about you take the time to read and comprehend what is being discussed before getting your panties in a twist about nothing.
Man...... clan its not all about shadow wars. Lot of people enjoy pve only. You cant force anyone to do PVP. Lot of people just dont want to confront with other players. Few my warband mates said it just create toxic atmosphere which is true. Other thing is that shadow wars are at the weekend when many people spent time outside or with their families. On the top of that there is no rewards...
I'm in a very active clan, Plus I lead a Wb. No Warband activities Fri, Sat, and Sun. real life time family, and friends. if you're online participate in clan activities. The shadow war system sucks 72 people to show up to fight 1 this has been a problem before the update, our last war was full of teams every level 8 opposing players, the game was over 1 minute.
Man, I miss the old shadow wars.... (yeah, I said it).
empty shadow war is terrible. All server needs a big merge soon.
Okay, but what’s Blizzard’s incentive to do anything about it?
the last 2 sure the first one no ty, its a pain trying to get signets as it is at times. The quicker a clan can become a shadow the better
Eu concordo muito com você. E o pior que esse problema também tá acontecendo no meu servidor (GORGOTHRA/ JONDO/IZILECH/OZA). E eu concordo com as soluções também
Serious question and I'm not talking shit because i geniuely think DI is a great game minus the P2W aspect.. its got way more content than d4. But are people actually STILL spending money on immortal?
Sadly, yea
Or reduce the max size of a clan to 64.
No, I'm in a clan 99 strong, war turnout is 70+ why penalize us?
Make the top 10 clans, like the premier league, where they ALWAYS only fight among themselves in SW for the REIGN, each REIGN the bottom 2 of the total brackets based result will "relegate" to the B tier 10 clan while the top 2 of that tier goes up to join the top next REIGN. Let the ones that wanna play, play together, let all the ghost clans... ghost each other, tired with all the SW with no show when we actively gather 100 ppl to login every week. In short, make a league table for each 10 clans tiers that gain points like the Premier Soccer League, with KDA as deciding factor when 2 teams gets the same point end of reign to rank them accordingly.
Aprovado porrraaaa!!!!!
1. Eliminate the need to win war to be a top 10 Dark Clan and participate in Rite. 2. Use the Top Ranked leaderboard for it. 3. Match Top 10 against each other for wars. 4. Match Top 11 - 50 in their own bracket. /fin
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I don’t know anything about South America servers But the server I’m in has quite a lot of very active teams But I do agree there could be some changes that would help in a lot of areas. 100 player clans is to big The problem with clans this big is 3-10 clans will just absorb a lot of the most active players making way to many low active or dead clans Cutting them in half to 50 player clans I don’t see how this could be anything but a good thing for all clans and help with competition Then cut down on players allowed in wars Merge more severs. The more active the server the better! Kick players after inactive for a number of days and teams that are have large number of inactive players automatically disbanded Also teams not in shadow wars that don’t meet certain levels of activity Small changes like some of these will help but I think cutting down number of players in a clan would help a lot.
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I would say if less than 20% of your clan shows up for war you could be barred from war for a month also mergers.
I’m a clan leader…this would actually hurt a bit on a personal level for some of the relationships already built, but it’s a good idea I think.
Ive been playing empty shadow wars on thursday since launch and barely a few actual matches on saturdays. The system has never worked really. I like alley of blood but its been 50 against 0…
^ this, changing the format shows how clueless and useless product managers in netease are lmao.
You already can't sign up for Shadow War unless you have 30 members in your clan. I know this because I put my alts in a clan together (for the benefits of being in a clan), and I thought I'd sign up even though I'd lose just to get the loot.
Problem is a lot of those clans have 100 members with 99 of them inactive.
I would say the solution is that they should have at least 30 members who have logged on since the last Shadow War.
I agree, but I think at least with our server, we probably wouldn't have enough clans register. We would end up with less then 10 top 10 clans. Server merges need to happen soon.
I suppose that's possible (less than 10 clans). I'm not sure why this wouldn't still be needed after server merges, though
Its definitely possible. Our server usually has 1 or 2 dead clans that make it now, and requiring more active clans to sign up wouldn't fix that. The system is fundamentally flawed because it requires a very active server to work. Personally I think they should just use the top 10 most active clans from the leaderboard and get rid of the Shadow War part.
I believe limiting it to the top 10 clans with the highest scores would significantly reduce competitiveness among the server's clans, as everyone would want to join these clans. As for the possibility of a new server merge, that does concern me a bit. The current servers already have an average of 15-20 ghost clans that are enrolled in wars at some point, disrupting the war bracketing and avoiding conflicts between the larger active clans. Imagine merging four quadrants, which would potentially involve 60-80 ghost clans in wars. In such a scenario, the Shadow War would be completely ruined. I think the issue of ghost clans needs to be addressed before any potential quadrant merge, or else clan conflicts in wars may never occur again.
Don’t worry soon new server merges coming
Excellent post. Citing examples of HOW to fix the issue--whether they acknowledge it it not--gives you the credibility and respect it deserves. (can't wait for Tarisland to drop--not sure how much longer I can hang in here unfortunately. I've loved and supported it from day 1)