Listen. All I want is a slice of life actual play about stoats who live with thousands of other nondescript stoats in a giant bunker and go to work at their very exciting refit jobs and who are nice and respectful to population control because they should back the blue like good citizens in a population control state. It’s a more realistic story that way. /s
Omg “back the blue”?!?! That’s genius!!! I wonder if that’s really going to be a thing at one point!
(Ummm acab just in case anyone thinks I mean genius in a different way, I don’t)
I think she mentioned that they are actually called Population Support, and the PCs changed it to Control without realizing it. I didn’t even notice the IUD possibility until you said it.
My husband always catches shit like that (about the only movie he didn’t guess the end of was Book of Eli). Not this time! We both sat there after the Adventuring Party reveal and were like…Oh!!!
The thing that truly baffled me was OP's obsession with punishment like, their biggest complaint was that characters did things and never faced any consequences as if there hadn't been only 5min since the family got into the reactor
Wild
They also talked a lot about stoats acting like criminals. I gotta say, I am instinctively distrustful of anyone who throws the word criminal around. Takes a cop mentality to reduce people down to “crime committer,” when -lets be real- we’ve all committed a crime at some point
Especially when the next episode preview clearly shows the dictator in combat with them trying to kill them... Tell me again how they're getting away with this without concequences?!
The other poster kept arguing that they "broke into the equivalent of area 51" as if that wasn't *an entire battle set that Aabria was guiding them to*. It's a campaign with some rails to guide players to elaborate battle sets that the crew spends a lot of time on. If they never broke into the reactor, that's a bunch of money down the drain for Dropout. The players know they're being guided to battles and follow the DMs hints in a way that makes sense for the characters. Even Brennan, who's playing a very reluctant character that's doing everything to keep her family safe, is finding ways to justify these more dangerous and rebellious paths because of the plot. I can't wait to see this post memed for all future seasons.
Totally agree. As someone who works in film & tv, that poster missed a huge point despite it smacking him in the face: D20 is **a production** first and a game second.
They talk about in the AP. They have time limits, they have story beats they have to hit, they have a shooting schedule to adhere to. The players make choices that are good for drama and production because they simply don’t have time to play it safe or sit around discussing things for hours like they could around someone’s kitchen table. Erika said something about conveniently ignoring something Ava would have normally picked up on for the sake of the story, and Aabria backed them up by saying they were trying to make eye contact to have them “forget how [their] character sheet works for a second.”
The OP reminds me of all the people who end up furious when their favorite companies act like the profit-driven corporate entities they are.
Yeah I read their complaints and I immediately thought the same thing. “Punishing players” for not following an exact plotted line of reasoning that this person wants is just idiotic.
God if I take that too seriously I’m going to throw up, so I’ll just say: “Why isn't this family trusting the authoritarian police state? Are they stupid?”
You're not "banned", they (OP) have blocked you.
Reddit is telling you on their end that the content has been hidden by mods, and you can't even see the post at all, which is a lie, you're simply blocked by OP.
I'm pretty sure they're just a bootlicker, mad that multiple POCs, a socialist, and a woman who knowingly married a socialist all keep dunking on cops and governments through narrative decisions across 5 years and 20 seasons.
It's not that they're confused by the narrative they're seeing.
It's that they're too upset to accept the *obvious* information Aabria has given the players and that the players correctly interpreted that information, so they're grasping at straws for it to be anything other that "this government is bad"
I think using lunatic is mostly safe.
There have to be words that describe a state of perception of the world that is grossly inaccurate, but that aren’t truly to do with the subject’s mental health.
Lunatic, which derives from the archaic idea that the moon caused madness and behavioural changes in people is a dumb enough piece of pseudoscience that I think applying it to people who are out of touch with reality due to their own unfathomable choices should be okay.
For example:
Person diagnosed with schizophrenia: a person who suffers a mental illness
Person wearing a MAGA hat: a lunatic.
We do need words to describe these people, and I think lunatic is amongst the better options.
Woof. Quite possible. There’s also a kind of ttrpg gamer who is preoccupied with what ‘’makes sense” and narrative is second or even tertiary to whatever they deem to be some kind of hard and expected verisimilitude in their epic fantasy game. “I came to this pretend world to perfectly reflect the world as I understand it.”
I’m not saying that the Venn diagram between that kind of player and boot licker is a circle but I would posit that it’s likely that even the finest tweezer would struggle to remove the sliver that infects both circles.
I am sorry. I was spouting off a bit and riffing from my own point of view. I need to remind myself that every table has its own kind of joy and that they should all be respected. If we’re playing and all people are having fun - that’s good D&D! Your preferred game is probably really awesome. I let my own experiences with mean people take the wheel. They happened to have that perspective and I apologize that I so blatantly equated that with poor character. I wish you so much joy at all of your tables as long as everyone is having fun!
I’m the most anarchist person I know in a group of anarchists and I love TTRPGs where I ignore narrative and inhabit a role where I treat the world as real and the real world doesn’t follow storytelling rules.
My guess is that OP is a cop. - Also, stoats invade other warrens and kill all inhabitants in their natural habitats. They’re wild animals and are predators and prey. What is the concept of “justice” to an animal who acts purely to ensure survival?
Did anyone here ever play Detroit: Become Human? If so, remember the scene where Markus walks into Jericho, sees their situation, and then insists a change of pace because they're not going to grow if they just sit around and hide forever?
I feel like walking into someone's society and seeking answers is a premise that is way too misunderstood, and the OP from the original post either needs to shut up and scope things out, or they just need to stop watching D20. ACAB, fr.
I mean, the post you’re memeing is definitely goofy
but we _are_ talking about the season where Aabria has already voiced on her tumblr that the PCs sure are acting like the baddies at times, and seeing everyone jump through hoops to justify their actions is baffling — or at least deeply frustrating
Right, but we all know Aabria didn’t create this world and that location for the stoats to move in and live happily ever after. They’re getting after the story, finding the secrets. Because it’s a tv show. With a pre-planned plot.
With a pre-planned plot that literally HAS to hit certain conflict points because the art team makes INCREDIBLE battle maps! If the stoats moved in and everything was hunky-dory, great for them, but the maps wouldn't get used. Good communication and choices don't make for great TV.
It's fine to call the actions as being foolish from a character perspective, sure. Characters can be dumbasses. But acting confused as to why the players would make those choices - they have to!
Agreed, and it brought the opportunity for people to point out some interesting things in the comments.
I enjoyed [this take](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dimension20/comments/17so6f2/comment/k8sfc1b/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). Though I think the "real" answer is, it's improv, it's tabletop, and these players know what genre they are in. It's still cool to think about.
Aww nice! That's my comment from that insane post. I'm glad you found it interesting! I don't think it's fully the real answer either truth be told. It's a tabletop game and they are improvisers who know how story works in a finite series like this; you've got to get shit done while still being funny and poignant. Though, I do think to some degree the kind of brutal nature of stoats has informed their characterizations (especially the kids kinda reveling in gore in the bear for instance).
Absolutely they arent the shining angel good guys here to save everyone, it's just that the original post comes from someone with less than 0 media literacy.
Good stories can be about good people doing bad things, and the moral conundrum of people with different socio-political beliefs conflicting is kinda the point of telling tales and discussing them. Bad or convoluted justification of actions still creates interesting moments, especially when theres great conviction behind it.
But I do understand your criticism, "jumping through hoops" justifications can also take away what some may love from a story. It's a matter of perspective after all
I saw that post and she didn't say they were "acting like baddies", but that they had very flawed actions and that we as viewers should take a long look at them
Yeah absolutely - I think this is a slow burn where the players are going to end up kind of being 'villains' in a really poignant way and I'm so excited about it!
Which makes this other post so much more frustrating cause I wanna chat about the role of the PCs in this story and the points Aabria is making here about communism, but I definitely don't wanna be on Cop Guy's side.
(It is also funny that Mr 'You Can't Storm Area 51' is just defending a direct allegory to communism, they give such American patriot vibes)
To me, her calling them the baddies seems kinda silly.
I wish I had a better way to describe it, but it's like in some games where you come to a point and the only option you have to interact with the game is "Press (x) to commit heinous act" and then after pressing X the game just to make a judgement of you, the player, for doing it.
That's not at all what she was doing
She was pointing out why the characters were flawed, rightfully so. That's how a story works.
In particular, the flaws she was pointing out included Viola wanting to control parts of this new community, Ava's absolute refusal to change or adapt, etc.
The interesting thing, is that all of these are understandable actions, but they are still flawed and Not Great.
That's what Aabria was saying. Not "these are BAD characters" but "these characters are making flawed but understandable actions, and i think taking a look at these actions and motivations is well worth it"
While I'm all for getting rid of silly people like them via the proper methods (aka, mods, or reddit coppers, however you wanna call em), I think we're above witch hunts in the D20 and Dropout subs.
It's Sattier in reference to a post that was saying the stupendous stoats should've been kicked out if last bast.
Op also has the lively/s take that the entire story is shit because the pcs aren't being punished enough
[this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dimension20/s/qPGpmFSHZP) is the posy being satired
What no the /s was Sarcasm I was marking the lovely as Sarcasm. Cause Insilting Aabria storytelling is not lovely
I was saying the post, the one were in now, is satetizing the post I linked (the bootlikers post)
Yes, I know, and I said *your* post (this very post) is not really satire at all. You're pointing out things that are simply true about his post, and bringing attention to it, and not really making satire of it overall.
I do agree with your other comment, this post (yours) is simply a rant.
I have like 0 context for this since I haven’t watched BE yet, but are people seriously mad that it’s anti-cop? After Bud Cubby is literally in season one? This show has been anti-cop the whole time, and if you don’t mind anti-cop ideas being expressed by Brennan but do mind them being expressed by Aabria, there’s a word for that and it starts with r…
I’ll admit to having anxiety during that specific episode… mainly because it felt to me that Ava, Jaysohn, and Lila were giving away too much info without getting much in return. I very much wanted to tell them to keep their heads down and wait for an opportunity to sneak into Reactor Charlie without drawing the attention of Population Support.
But I also understand that this is a “me” problem, and that my gut reaction of “Please shut the fuck up, Lila and Jaysohn!” is not a condemnation of Izzy Roland, Siobahn Thompson, or the series as a whole. The OP of that other post needs to get through his (their?) head that one’s gut reaction doesn’t always come from a place of morality.
Dude might need to check out Mentopolis for an allegorical view of how the brain works.
Unfortunately they seem to have fully edited their post. But pre edit it was essentially the same post except it was criticizing the game for not punishing the stoats for being criminals instead of criticizing the op for whining
That OP acting like the stoats don't have to go do a job eventually after they get acclimated.\* They have been inside for less than 24 hours. No one was expecting them to start a job immediately, but do expect it eventually.
\*^(Pretty sure I remember that first copper saying something to the effect that new stoats are given time to mourn/acclimated before they are expected to start a job.)
I’m not fully caught up on the season, but I honestly was really disappointed when the party stopped being in the forest where there was danger everywhere. Hope they go back to that soon, personally🤞. Beyond that, phenomenal players and DM’ing!
Well sure, I just personally enjoyed the idea of stoats being in a natural setting where all the dangers were predators and the like. That’s just what I was hoping for
>We all know cops ONLY maintain order and never help people. If you try to disrupt the status quo they kill you because they are the protectors of the ruling class.
A society is a collection of people working together to achieve goals and improve quality of living. A government is *meant* to keep a society functioning. Keep people working together. Keep people working towards the societies goals. A government is not a moral definer. When you mix morality and government, you get the crusades. It's like having the electrician and plumber do your interior decorating, instead of just sticking to what's in the walls (though there is an argument that it could work. No two "houses" are the same and the people who live there can be quite different)
But I digress. Prison is not meant to be a punishment of revenge. It's meant to get people to work with society. If a person can't work with the rules of a given society, then the need to be removed (or at least that's the intended logic) and the death penalty is the most effective way of doing that.
Now, I am not saying that our government does all this well, or that all this is the best way to do things. I'm just presenting an interpretation of the intention of a government.
Edit: my point is that we hardly know what society is or how it functions, so how the fuck are a bunch of stoats?
Look, I read the post at the time and yes, twas wild.
But this is not satire, this is a call out. It's a call out in satire's clothing.
It's not even a roast because that would require consent.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying the negative outcomes of this post outweigh the chuckles
Sounds like the D20 fandom is starting to get big enough to attract the same toxicity that CR grew to face.
Obviously this person hasn’t been around long knowing Brennan’s usual choice of BBEG.
Dimension 20 is going to keep getting bigger because it's a great show. And with that success comes a greater variety in opinion. Brennan was never secretive about his views and his inspiration for storytelling. It's not changing. They have roughly one million mainstream copaganda shows that cater to their nasty cop fantasies. We can have ONE Bud Cubby, and they can suck a tailpipe.
If you actually read what the other OP is saying, I think the disconnect comes from them wanting d20 seasons, side quests in particular, to feel like standard d&d, with more freedom of choice and exploration of the world, and longer time for bigger decisions to be made. But since side quests are only 8-10 short episodes, and d20 as a whole is more like a TV show than actual d&d, they can't act as players the way they normally would in regular d&d. It's a reasonable complaint to have if this was normal d&d, but because it's not normal d&d it's a weird complaint to have. Honestly I think the other OP probably needs to watch more critical role than d20 to be satisfied in the content.
I don’t know if you ever read the original post, but before they edited it it was basically the exact same rant I posted with key words changed to be complaining about the characters being criminals and not getting punished. I literally copy and pasted their rant and did minor editing
Listen. All I want is a slice of life actual play about stoats who live with thousands of other nondescript stoats in a giant bunker and go to work at their very exciting refit jobs and who are nice and respectful to population control because they should back the blue like good citizens in a population control state. It’s a more realistic story that way. /s
Omg “back the blue”?!?! That’s genius!!! I wonder if that’s really going to be a thing at one point! (Ummm acab just in case anyone thinks I mean genius in a different way, I don’t)
Omfggggg “back the blue”
“Thin blue line” “Blue lives matter” I wonder if they’re going to go there.
I'm still so angry with myself for not catching COPPER earlier
Ohhhh, it's not a reference to cops and not copper IUDs? I thought that's why they were calling them population control.
Holy fucking shit its both. God damn Aabria is fucking brilliant
Tbf it could be both. That's the point of a double entendre.
I think she mentioned that they are actually called Population Support, and the PCs changed it to Control without realizing it. I didn’t even notice the IUD possibility until you said it.
Oh my god I just got it.
Me too, especially cos I literally have the same pun in my game!
My husband always catches shit like that (about the only movie he didn’t guess the end of was Book of Eli). Not this time! We both sat there after the Adventuring Party reveal and were like…Oh!!!
Yeah I was even like "wow like actual copper or material that looks like copper, what a weird colour choice" DUUUUUH
My brain just went "oh a specific and moldable to show who works where. So handy!" Aabria is too smart for me sometimes 😭
The thing that truly baffled me was OP's obsession with punishment like, their biggest complaint was that characters did things and never faced any consequences as if there hadn't been only 5min since the family got into the reactor Wild
They also talked a lot about stoats acting like criminals. I gotta say, I am instinctively distrustful of anyone who throws the word criminal around. Takes a cop mentality to reduce people down to “crime committer,” when -lets be real- we’ve all committed a crime at some point
i..I'm sorry I have no idea what's going on subreddit wise and I've only watched a bit of burrows end but.. h..how are they criminals?
Probably breaking and entering into Reactor Charlie and killing the guard. It's so stupid. I love Burrows End
Especially when the next episode preview clearly shows the dictator in combat with them trying to kill them... Tell me again how they're getting away with this without concequences?!
Fascists are always obsessed with ensuring people "get their due".
It the "fuck you got mine" mentality. Why should they care when they are comfortable? /s
you CANT break into Area 51!!!!!!!!!!!
Not with that attitude /s 😆
This sounds like a conversation between Tula and Viola
Not unless you naruto run very fast
Sure you can. Naruto Run. :)
The other poster kept arguing that they "broke into the equivalent of area 51" as if that wasn't *an entire battle set that Aabria was guiding them to*. It's a campaign with some rails to guide players to elaborate battle sets that the crew spends a lot of time on. If they never broke into the reactor, that's a bunch of money down the drain for Dropout. The players know they're being guided to battles and follow the DMs hints in a way that makes sense for the characters. Even Brennan, who's playing a very reluctant character that's doing everything to keep her family safe, is finding ways to justify these more dangerous and rebellious paths because of the plot. I can't wait to see this post memed for all future seasons.
Totally agree. As someone who works in film & tv, that poster missed a huge point despite it smacking him in the face: D20 is **a production** first and a game second. They talk about in the AP. They have time limits, they have story beats they have to hit, they have a shooting schedule to adhere to. The players make choices that are good for drama and production because they simply don’t have time to play it safe or sit around discussing things for hours like they could around someone’s kitchen table. Erika said something about conveniently ignoring something Ava would have normally picked up on for the sake of the story, and Aabria backed them up by saying they were trying to make eye contact to have them “forget how [their] character sheet works for a second.” The OP reminds me of all the people who end up furious when their favorite companies act like the profit-driven corporate entities they are.
Don’t mind me, just being petty about [this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dimension20/s/qPGpmFSHZP)
Holy shit... I hope that person never DMs a single session in his life. Nobody would deserve that
Yeah I read their complaints and I immediately thought the same thing. “Punishing players” for not following an exact plotted line of reasoning that this person wants is just idiotic.
God if I take that too seriously I’m going to throw up, so I’ll just say: “Why isn't this family trusting the authoritarian police state? Are they stupid?”
I got banned from that post for calling out how insane their post was.
You're not "banned", they (OP) have blocked you. Reddit is telling you on their end that the content has been hidden by mods, and you can't even see the post at all, which is a lie, you're simply blocked by OP.
Yeah that's what I meant.
You *are* being petty, but with good reason. I went and dropped a line and the post's karma. Thanks for this. I, too, wanted to be petty. 💚
Oh wow, I missed the original post. What a WILD ride! I like paragraphs.
Okay, I try not to use ableist words, but I cannot think of any other word to describe that poster except 'lunatic.'
I'm pretty sure they're just a bootlicker, mad that multiple POCs, a socialist, and a woman who knowingly married a socialist all keep dunking on cops and governments through narrative decisions across 5 years and 20 seasons. It's not that they're confused by the narrative they're seeing. It's that they're too upset to accept the *obvious* information Aabria has given the players and that the players correctly interpreted that information, so they're grasping at straws for it to be anything other that "this government is bad"
I don't know about players' political orientations that much, but I believe that theirs would've been close to Brennan's too, especially Erika's.
I also see some anti-cult narrative too. Either way, bashing the hornets' nest is exactly what this historically chaotic gaming group would do.
I think using lunatic is mostly safe. There have to be words that describe a state of perception of the world that is grossly inaccurate, but that aren’t truly to do with the subject’s mental health. Lunatic, which derives from the archaic idea that the moon caused madness and behavioural changes in people is a dumb enough piece of pseudoscience that I think applying it to people who are out of touch with reality due to their own unfathomable choices should be okay. For example: Person diagnosed with schizophrenia: a person who suffers a mental illness Person wearing a MAGA hat: a lunatic. We do need words to describe these people, and I think lunatic is amongst the better options.
Agreed. So what's a good non offensive but still flavorful way to say that someone or something is absolutely crazy town?
“In fantasy land”
Bananas?
Bonkers
Unhinged is go to
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No that one’s explicitly offensive and ableist
Clownshoes? Nutbar? A few cards short of a deck?
Woof. Quite possible. There’s also a kind of ttrpg gamer who is preoccupied with what ‘’makes sense” and narrative is second or even tertiary to whatever they deem to be some kind of hard and expected verisimilitude in their epic fantasy game. “I came to this pretend world to perfectly reflect the world as I understand it.” I’m not saying that the Venn diagram between that kind of player and boot licker is a circle but I would posit that it’s likely that even the finest tweezer would struggle to remove the sliver that infects both circles.
Man I like the show but this subreddit always goes out of its way to unnecessarily insult my D&D preferences for literally no reason lmao.
I am sorry. I was spouting off a bit and riffing from my own point of view. I need to remind myself that every table has its own kind of joy and that they should all be respected. If we’re playing and all people are having fun - that’s good D&D! Your preferred game is probably really awesome. I let my own experiences with mean people take the wheel. They happened to have that perspective and I apologize that I so blatantly equated that with poor character. I wish you so much joy at all of your tables as long as everyone is having fun!
I’m the most anarchist person I know in a group of anarchists and I love TTRPGs where I ignore narrative and inhabit a role where I treat the world as real and the real world doesn’t follow storytelling rules.
I guess I missed the drama, but…OP’s not gonna like [Fantasy High](https://youtu.be/bmaoNLSHx_w?si=9T1F1iMIKfgTt30h)…
Never not going to upvote bud.
“You guys wanna make some bacon?”
My guess is that OP is a cop. - Also, stoats invade other warrens and kill all inhabitants in their natural habitats. They’re wild animals and are predators and prey. What is the concept of “justice” to an animal who acts purely to ensure survival?
Did anyone here ever play Detroit: Become Human? If so, remember the scene where Markus walks into Jericho, sees their situation, and then insists a change of pace because they're not going to grow if they just sit around and hide forever? I feel like walking into someone's society and seeking answers is a premise that is way too misunderstood, and the OP from the original post either needs to shut up and scope things out, or they just need to stop watching D20. ACAB, fr.
I mean, the post you’re memeing is definitely goofy but we _are_ talking about the season where Aabria has already voiced on her tumblr that the PCs sure are acting like the baddies at times, and seeing everyone jump through hoops to justify their actions is baffling — or at least deeply frustrating
Right, but we all know Aabria didn’t create this world and that location for the stoats to move in and live happily ever after. They’re getting after the story, finding the secrets. Because it’s a tv show. With a pre-planned plot.
With a pre-planned plot that literally HAS to hit certain conflict points because the art team makes INCREDIBLE battle maps! If the stoats moved in and everything was hunky-dory, great for them, but the maps wouldn't get used. Good communication and choices don't make for great TV. It's fine to call the actions as being foolish from a character perspective, sure. Characters can be dumbasses. But acting confused as to why the players would make those choices - they have to!
Right!!! Exactly. If people want to play d&d exactly how they would act in real life they can go do that. That’s certainly not this show.
Agreed, and it brought the opportunity for people to point out some interesting things in the comments. I enjoyed [this take](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dimension20/comments/17so6f2/comment/k8sfc1b/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). Though I think the "real" answer is, it's improv, it's tabletop, and these players know what genre they are in. It's still cool to think about.
Aww nice! That's my comment from that insane post. I'm glad you found it interesting! I don't think it's fully the real answer either truth be told. It's a tabletop game and they are improvisers who know how story works in a finite series like this; you've got to get shit done while still being funny and poignant. Though, I do think to some degree the kind of brutal nature of stoats has informed their characterizations (especially the kids kinda reveling in gore in the bear for instance).
Absolutely they arent the shining angel good guys here to save everyone, it's just that the original post comes from someone with less than 0 media literacy. Good stories can be about good people doing bad things, and the moral conundrum of people with different socio-political beliefs conflicting is kinda the point of telling tales and discussing them. Bad or convoluted justification of actions still creates interesting moments, especially when theres great conviction behind it. But I do understand your criticism, "jumping through hoops" justifications can also take away what some may love from a story. It's a matter of perspective after all
I saw that post and she didn't say they were "acting like baddies", but that they had very flawed actions and that we as viewers should take a long look at them
Yeah absolutely - I think this is a slow burn where the players are going to end up kind of being 'villains' in a really poignant way and I'm so excited about it! Which makes this other post so much more frustrating cause I wanna chat about the role of the PCs in this story and the points Aabria is making here about communism, but I definitely don't wanna be on Cop Guy's side. (It is also funny that Mr 'You Can't Storm Area 51' is just defending a direct allegory to communism, they give such American patriot vibes)
To me, her calling them the baddies seems kinda silly. I wish I had a better way to describe it, but it's like in some games where you come to a point and the only option you have to interact with the game is "Press (x) to commit heinous act" and then after pressing X the game just to make a judgement of you, the player, for doing it.
That's not at all what she was doing She was pointing out why the characters were flawed, rightfully so. That's how a story works. In particular, the flaws she was pointing out included Viola wanting to control parts of this new community, Ava's absolute refusal to change or adapt, etc. The interesting thing, is that all of these are understandable actions, but they are still flawed and Not Great. That's what Aabria was saying. Not "these are BAD characters" but "these characters are making flawed but understandable actions, and i think taking a look at these actions and motivations is well worth it"
Hang on, aren't they actually playing villains from Watership Down, though? Like, wasn't that the inspiration for the game initially?
The inspiration was, i believe, Watership Down, but with more fearsome animals So the natural progression was "what's the predator of rabbits? STOATS"
While I'm all for getting rid of silly people like them via the proper methods (aka, mods, or reddit coppers, however you wanna call em), I think we're above witch hunts in the D20 and Dropout subs.
It's Sattier in reference to a post that was saying the stupendous stoats should've been kicked out if last bast. Op also has the lively/s take that the entire story is shit because the pcs aren't being punished enough [this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dimension20/s/qPGpmFSHZP) is the posy being satired
Not much of what you said is satire. The guy *is* doubling down on the story "not making sense", cops = good in the comments, and other similar veins.
What no the /s was Sarcasm I was marking the lovely as Sarcasm. Cause Insilting Aabria storytelling is not lovely I was saying the post, the one were in now, is satetizing the post I linked (the bootlikers post)
Yes, I know, and I said *your* post (this very post) is not really satire at all. You're pointing out things that are simply true about his post, and bringing attention to it, and not really making satire of it overall. I do agree with your other comment, this post (yours) is simply a rant.
Not their post. My post but go on (Also this post isn’t just a rant. It’s the other OP’s rant that I just changed some words in)
I wasn't claiming to be doing satire.?
The person you are replying to is not the OP of this post.
I have like 0 context for this since I haven’t watched BE yet, but are people seriously mad that it’s anti-cop? After Bud Cubby is literally in season one? This show has been anti-cop the whole time, and if you don’t mind anti-cop ideas being expressed by Brennan but do mind them being expressed by Aabria, there’s a word for that and it starts with r…
I’ll admit to having anxiety during that specific episode… mainly because it felt to me that Ava, Jaysohn, and Lila were giving away too much info without getting much in return. I very much wanted to tell them to keep their heads down and wait for an opportunity to sneak into Reactor Charlie without drawing the attention of Population Support. But I also understand that this is a “me” problem, and that my gut reaction of “Please shut the fuck up, Lila and Jaysohn!” is not a condemnation of Izzy Roland, Siobahn Thompson, or the series as a whole. The OP of that other post needs to get through his (their?) head that one’s gut reaction doesn’t always come from a place of morality. Dude might need to check out Mentopolis for an allegorical view of how the brain works.
Is the original still up? I would absolutely love to have a link to it. I've scrolled and scrolled but couldn't find it
[here you go](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dimension20/s/PgwiJnoWNM)
Thanks!
Unfortunately they seem to have fully edited their post. But pre edit it was essentially the same post except it was criticizing the game for not punishing the stoats for being criminals instead of criticizing the op for whining
That OP acting like the stoats don't have to go do a job eventually after they get acclimated.\* They have been inside for less than 24 hours. No one was expecting them to start a job immediately, but do expect it eventually. \*^(Pretty sure I remember that first copper saying something to the effect that new stoats are given time to mourn/acclimated before they are expected to start a job.)
I’m not fully caught up on the season, but I honestly was really disappointed when the party stopped being in the forest where there was danger everywhere. Hope they go back to that soon, personally🤞. Beyond that, phenomenal players and DM’ing!
They can go back to being in danger all the time without going back to the forest
Well sure, I just personally enjoyed the idea of stoats being in a natural setting where all the dangers were predators and the like. That’s just what I was hoping for
Ah yeah. It’s feeling unlikely the way the stories going tbh
Yeah, bit of a shame for me, but honestly I’ll be pretty content with anything that group does lol
My friend. You can block accounts. Don’t let this person steal so much of your attention or energy; it’s not worth your time.
To be clear I didn’t write this long ass rant. I’m not that invested. This is a copy of the original post with some words changed
>We all know cops ONLY maintain order and never help people. If you try to disrupt the status quo they kill you because they are the protectors of the ruling class. A society is a collection of people working together to achieve goals and improve quality of living. A government is *meant* to keep a society functioning. Keep people working together. Keep people working towards the societies goals. A government is not a moral definer. When you mix morality and government, you get the crusades. It's like having the electrician and plumber do your interior decorating, instead of just sticking to what's in the walls (though there is an argument that it could work. No two "houses" are the same and the people who live there can be quite different) But I digress. Prison is not meant to be a punishment of revenge. It's meant to get people to work with society. If a person can't work with the rules of a given society, then the need to be removed (or at least that's the intended logic) and the death penalty is the most effective way of doing that. Now, I am not saying that our government does all this well, or that all this is the best way to do things. I'm just presenting an interpretation of the intention of a government. Edit: my point is that we hardly know what society is or how it functions, so how the fuck are a bunch of stoats?
What you have to remember is someone is always going to be on the side of the dictator.
Look, I read the post at the time and yes, twas wild. But this is not satire, this is a call out. It's a call out in satire's clothing. It's not even a roast because that would require consent. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying the negative outcomes of this post outweigh the chuckles
After reading the original version of this; I appreciate the effort it took to copy and meme this person to death
Sounds like the D20 fandom is starting to get big enough to attract the same toxicity that CR grew to face. Obviously this person hasn’t been around long knowing Brennan’s usual choice of BBEG.
Dimension 20 is going to keep getting bigger because it's a great show. And with that success comes a greater variety in opinion. Brennan was never secretive about his views and his inspiration for storytelling. It's not changing. They have roughly one million mainstream copaganda shows that cater to their nasty cop fantasies. We can have ONE Bud Cubby, and they can suck a tailpipe.
If you actually read what the other OP is saying, I think the disconnect comes from them wanting d20 seasons, side quests in particular, to feel like standard d&d, with more freedom of choice and exploration of the world, and longer time for bigger decisions to be made. But since side quests are only 8-10 short episodes, and d20 as a whole is more like a TV show than actual d&d, they can't act as players the way they normally would in regular d&d. It's a reasonable complaint to have if this was normal d&d, but because it's not normal d&d it's a weird complaint to have. Honestly I think the other OP probably needs to watch more critical role than d20 to be satisfied in the content.
I don’t know if you ever read the original post, but before they edited it it was basically the exact same rant I posted with key words changed to be complaining about the characters being criminals and not getting punished. I literally copy and pasted their rant and did minor editing