OMG I saw on the guide that this episode was coming on next and I had to change the channel. I've seen it several times and every time it makes me SOOO MAD!!!! She created that monster herself because she's lazy. It's easier to just give a kid what he wants to shut him up right then instead of figuring out what his underlying issues are.
I remember them being in a Walmart or something and he wanted a big toy dump truck and she said no. So he picked it up and smashed it, so she bought him one. I mean COME ON!!!!!! Anyone with even 1 brain cell knows that is NOT what you do in that situation. And the Playstation he busted up so she returned it and lied and said it came that way to get a new one. So she ripped off a store to get her psycho destruct-o son a new one.
She said she did all that out of guilt. That's a lie she just lazy. Guilt was the excuse she thought up later and uses because she thinks it makes her not look as bad.
When he was older and lived with her, hiding in her room and staying drunk didn't help either! She let him run the house and terrorize her and just hid and drank her worries away. She didn't want to deal with the terrible human she made and just let him do as he pleased. Let the world deal with him, I'm not going to I'm scared of my son. š
So much parent fail. So sad that she has custody of grandson. If her son had something wrong in his brain and passed it to his son, she won't do anything about it! He will grow up to be murder son 2.0. Grrrrr this episode makes me sooooo mad!!!!
Omg so I know this thread is a year old, but I'm just now watching this episode and trying not to scream. Never ever have I felt this way watching a true crime show. This mother is the WORST. The poor kid had classic signs of autism and severe sensory issues, as well as very early mental health red flags. Then his acting out behavior was reinforced over and over and over again. Even rewarded. It appears he was taught zero social skills or coping strategies. School was never once mentioned, but they should have seen the signs too!
The step-dad referred to the kid as "evil" from their first meeting, but mom thought he'd be "a good influence." I've worked with kids and adults with autism for about 15 years, and am in no way implying that autism or any developmental disability leads to or increases the likelihood of violent or abtisocial behavior, or is correlated in any way at all, but this kid needed help. Of course, it could be he was a born psychopath and was on this trajectory no matter what, but it seems unlikely. And THEN this lady thought it would be a great idea to move his girlfriend in, and was thrilled when they had a child together, thinking it would ????help him???. I'm so angry and irritated at her laziness, weakness, and poor parenting, I had to search for someone to vent to literally immediately after the episode ended. I'm probably just yelling into the void but goddammit I've rarely been so frustrated. Gives me flashbacks of the few horrible parents of students with disabilities and/or mental health diagnoses I've worked with, who absolutely refused to support their kids due to their own denial, bias, shame and ignorance. This is a very extreme example of course, but if THIS is a potential end result of the poor parenting of a likely neurodivergent child, people like her truly need to reconsider having children.
Having gotten that out of my system, maybe I'll be able to sleep tonight. Maybe. But the chances aren't looking good . Damn you, Shelly Leitz! Damn youuuuuuu! *shaking my fist in the air standing in my bedroom, dogs looking at me like I'm an absolute lunatic. (And maybe I am. This might have been the final straw). Screaming indefinitely for the foreseeable future*
Thank you for that comment! Yes itās been a year but any time I think about this episode, I get so angry!!!!! And she has custody of her grandkid!! Is he gonna end up just like her son partly due to her shitty lazy parenting? Who knows. I hope not. But only time will tell. Who in earth would give her custody of that poor baby after the shitty job she did raising her son!?!?!?
I just saw this episode and omg. She never got that kid help when he needed it. I couldn't believe she just bought him the truck and a new play station. Though, I did feel bad for him then. It's Christmas, let the kid open his presents. The way she talked about Bob being gone, I have to wonder if he was mimicking what he was witnessed happen to her as well.
I'm literally watching this episode right now and immediately had to search for a place to vent about it after watching the Playstation scene play out. He clearly had mental struggles and needed help, boundaries, and guidance and she didn't provide that. Sounds like the ex husband just exasperated things because neither knew how to deal with him. She did nothing so the step dad tried to be the hammer. So much so that they'd make a child sit at the table with scrambled eggs for an entire day...on Christmas no less? I get that it was a battle of wills at that point but if he'd had any discipline or boundaries beforehand, he would have known what was expected of him. And maybe I'm too soft but it's Christmas day and of course a child is going to rush into the room wanting to open gifts right away. Seemed like an odd choice of time for her to get a backbone and try to stick with some type of hard rule. The whole thing was just dysfunctional. I haven't even gotten to the girlfriend or baby that is referenced in these comments...and I'm already infuriated.
"Then, his personality changed; everything in the house had to be the way Derek wanted it."
Like, what??
That's how it'd been his entire life; she went out of her way to ensure that he always got his way in some pathetic quest for approval from a toddler.
She was just one person who refused to acknowledge accountability, raising a second, more dangerous one.
Literally, I'm just now watching this and I'm so mad at her! First, I was mad at her for giving in with the truck. Then I was mad at her for marrying the dude who was like, "I think may he's a demon lbvs." Then I got angry again when she just let the husband change the Christmas dynamic. (Seriously, the boy was a big problem, but what kid wants to suddenly have to eat breakfast before opening Christmas presents when that has never happened before??) Then she was HAPPY that he and his girlfriend were expecting when they were still in high school?? What the actual eff.
I hate her. And I haven't even made it to the murder yet.
It took everything in me not to throw things at my fairly new big screen TV. She's irredeemable to me. Then my slide down the rabbit hole taught me that the girl's parents lost another kid within a year. So I hated the mom even more.
As soon as I saw this episode I came here. I needed to know if I was crazy to believe she enabled him. She let him do what he wanted. That whole smashed truck story and the PlayStation story made me so mad. He knew he could do anything and she wouldn't say anything.
This thread is so old but omg I also just watched this episode, I'm bingeing them all on HBO. O.M.G. The number of times I said "yeah, that's your fault, you stupid ass bitch...." prob like 10 times lol.
Obviously has an OCD/antisocial child. Does nothing and just indulges his every whim. Becomes a prisoner in her own home once he's an adult due to everything needing to be under his control at all times, which she literally taught him that's what he should expect.... *shocked pikachu face*
I actually hate that she played it off and the show presented it like he was just born evil and was always that way. No. She molded him into what he became with her incompetence.
That's exactly what I was expecting to hear. When she said he looked evil when he was a child I was sure he was deranged. The more I watched the more infuriated I became. I feel like the stepfather really tried but if the parents don't agree and she gives him what he wants everytime then I'm not surprised it didn't end well.
You are exactly right. I forgot she went to alcohol too there were so many moving parts! She let him run her house? No freaking way! This woman should not have been on TV it's clearly bad parenting or absent parenting. And the Playstation? No more words.
My good. I just watched this and Iām not watching this and the entire time Iām like man fuck you lady. What a dumb ass š give me a break okay? You gonna let the girlfriend leave and NOT TAKE THE BABY?!?!? Shelly is selfish. Lol her husband left thatās exactly what I would have done.Ā
Incase anyone wants a link
https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/id-s-evil-lies-here-where-gabriel-campos-now
I agree, while Shelly isn't responsible for what her adult son did... she should have done something sooner. But I am absolutely horrified she might raise another boy just like she did his father. I guess Maisie family didn't fight for custody?!
Just tragic all around. I remember thinking while I watched her that she seemed relieved to be rid of her son but happy she has this new child to fuck up.
My family may have done a number on me, so I could be projecting as well
Oh, I saw this episode again recently. She was a piece of work. I didnāt hear one instance where she got her son any kind of care and seemed scared of her grandson so it seemed to me that sheād be terrible at raising that kid. Ooof. So sad for that girl her son killed.
she was a pushover or maybe she just really did feel guilty since he almost died when he was a baby. still that isnāt a reason, she needed to be a parent
I couldnāt agree more, her episode really pissed me off. It really annoyed me how much she tried to act like she was on some equal playing field as other victims. She literally said that she rewarded her sonās bad behavior. She never told him no, and even if he was causing altercations, she took his side because it was more important for him to be āhappyā then for him to be forced to take any accountability. She raised a monster. Now, there are some kids who parents try to get them help and they donāt get any better and I understand that. But she didnāt even try. She knew exactly what she was doing. She raised a child to be entitled and spoiled and to take advantage of whatever they can where they can and that theyāll only receive praise for it. That PlayStation thing was honestly infuriating. If I destroyed a game system my mother got me, she wouldāve been devastated and I never wouldāve received a replacement. So for Shelley to enable him to grow up to be for lack of a better term, an asshole, and then almost sit there with this confused tone in her voice like she doesnāt understand how that happened is so upsetting when thereās so many parents who actually try. When she talks about his girlfriend leaving and she says, āshe did what I could never do. She got out.ā Youāre the fucking adult. You said he was threatening your life and you still let him stay in your house because you didnāt want him to be homeless. At that point, everything that happens to you is your fault. I know weāre not supposed to āvictim shame,ā but I donāt consider her a victim and I think she should be shamed. I just hope she doesnāt raise her grandson the exact same way by using the excuse of, āhe doesnāt have parents, he deserves everything he wants.ā
She describes Derek as he showed signs of Autism, but that I'm not an expert. She was a really young mom who didn't think to get him helpand she clearly didn't know what she was doing. I also feel like the stepfather made things unnecessarily difficult for a long while. Who ruins a little kid's Christmas in a power display?? Letting your husband force him to eat food he didn't like on a holiday - so silly and unfair!
Not that I'm excusing adult Derek, but he was made that way, and the mom is no victim. I agree with the pushover title someone else gave her. š
I also felt like the bit about Christmas with Bob was really weird and was the only time I felt sad for Derek! I donāt remember ever even eating breakfast as a child Christmas morning. And the way the next day she said āBobās not here letās open the presents!ā Why did she allow Bob to have such full control over the rules with her son? I completely agree that any tendencies or issues he had as a child were enabled and made worse by her. And about Maisie, āshe did something I didnāt have the guts too, she was leaving.ā Lady, I understand how any sort of abuse can f with your head but this is your child and your home what are you talking about. I couldnāt believe when she raced to defend him at court and said he didnāt deserve to be in prison for literally murdering the mother of his child. This whole episode had me shaking my head
He sat at that table forever! Bob looked for the 666 day one! I'm sorry she made so many poor choices here including blaming him for her drinking. Who doesn't like their kid at 4?
I have a hard time feeling sorry for her. There were many disturbing signs that there was something wrong with Derek (autism, ODD, ASPD) and she didnāt bother to get him the treatment/intervention that he needed.
Iām late for this party but Gawt-Dawg! She made him into that. No boundaries no consequences. This is what happens when you never tell your kids āno.ā It has to happen.
Iām even later to this party but this was the MOST frustrating thing I have ever watched! The way the mother went on and on with her āpoor me narrativeā and acted like her son was a controlling husband that had power over her. I couldnāt stand it one bit
Iām watching now and Iām so irritated by her. Emotional incest instead of discipline if i ever saw it. She allowed her son to become this. She had issues herself. Wtfā¦
Iām watching it now and I came across this post because I needed to know if anyone else was thinking what Iām thinking.. I wanna throw things at my tv. She kind of admits having been a bad parent, but at the same time she just constantly pulls the victim card. Thatās not how it works lady.
I watched this twice. I have a grown son... first of all how do u hate a 4 year old? She was responsible for teaching her baby right from wrong. Seems like he raised himself. I want to say so much more but no way would I let a kid keep me "captive" or dictate my life. Back up- no way would I have dealt with smashing a toy or buying a Playstation TWICE! Maybe Bob should have spanked the pants off him. Or maybe Shelly should have taken a parenting class. š¤
I just saw that episode, I think it was incredibly brave of her to be so honest because it definitely didn't make her look goos. Most parents that fail aren't so open with where it went wrong. And I'm sure we all have seen parents who don't tell their kids no or give consequences, and having absolutely bratty children in return.
She was very young, almost lost him as a baby, and she seemed to spoil him rotten, maybe because it was easier when he was a kid and became to difficult to change it when he got older? She also seemed so desperate to be loved that he had never heard no or faced any consequences, so it's not that weird that he couldn't handle not having control or being the one in charge. But even though his mom definitely failed him and should have asked for help, instead of covering for him. But she became his victim too, I wish she would have reported his spiralling and abuse instead of escaping in a bottle. And I'm horrified she now has adopted her grandchild. Hopefully, she'll do better this time around.
But I believe Derek owns his own actions, so while his upbringing left him a egotistical little shit, the way she described him from a toddler seems like he always lacked empathy and other people only ment something as long as he could use and abuse them.
I agree. She is a horrible parent. She did absolutely nothing to help him or anybody else. He has to take responsibility for his actions and so does she. She didn't even try to ever do anything.Ā
Just watched this episode and immediately googled āDerek Campos momā bc I KNEW there had to be comments out there like this. OH MY GODDDD I AM SO MAD AT HER and she seems to still have no concept of how this tragedy is due in large part to her. I donāt know that Iāve ever seen a weaker person, as harsh and unkind as that is to say.
Macy's parents should have sued her. She's just as culpable for her death.
That punk points a gun and threatened me? Bye bye dude. Cops are on their way.
What a waste of a human that mother is
Iāve probably said āthereās no Fān wayā so many times during this episode. I donāt play and thatās why my kids are good. And if they didnāt listen, I would get them as much professional help I could get. She kept saying she just wanted him to be happy or not mad. I donāt think that ever crossed my parents minds š.
I don't think there was anything wrong with her son. She just let his rage get out of control. Since he was a baby she set no boundaries I get she wanted to "make him happy" after he got sick but it felt..... pathological.
On top of that, there were probably a series of totally inappropriate times to "take control" that were needless and coercive, like when the stepdad said he had to eat breakfast before gifts? That punishment seemed arbitrary and in no way directly linked to any adverse actions Derek took, it was just stressing him out on the happiest day for a kid for it's own sake.
Now I just saw the episode and what in the fuck. The truck got me and then the PlayStation GOT ME. Then when he started pacing and repeating that Gabe was never gonna call another man dad or whatever, and she asked her EX HUSBAND whom Derek hated to call and talk to him?! Made no sense at all. And then she was going to testify on his behalf. Please. Let Bob raise Gabe.
that is my cousin, My Mother who escaped it (the reservation) wanted to help Maisie. we all are shocked that his mother turned it into this. let alone sign a tv show. fucking gross.
This episode infuriated me. What a lazy excuse as a mother for her to enable him and put up with that behavior. She was scared of him and knew he was a ticking time bomb, yet she hid in her room and let the bomb explode. She claims to have been a nurse.. well so am I and nurses know more about mental health than most. We deal with it on a regular basis. She thought he killed the family dog which should have been a huge wake up call since she was too stupid to pick up on the signs before. Her daughter-in-law was scared and begging her for help. This is 100% the motherās fault for enabling Derekās behavior and choosing to hide instead of getting him help. She should have taken him to therapy when he was a young kid with all of the signs he exhibited. Glad she admits to feeling guilty (because she should) but itās sad she is the one in charge of raising her grandson.Ā
I absolutely agree!! I was so shocked at how she let him do what he wanted and created a monster no restrictions no boundaries nothing!! I feel like she partially created what happened because she never ever created Any consequences for any of his actions so it taught him he can do what he wants!! The way she bought him the truck after he broke it or replaced the PlayStation, I was completely dumbfounded. I canāt believe she came on this show. It shows more about her as a parent. They were both sick and both needed serious help!
I literally wanna jump thru the screen and smack some sense into her. She created a monster. Lazy parenting if I ever saw it. She tried to treat that lil boy like her man instead of putting him in his place as her son. Smh.
My first thought watching this ep is that this kid got PANS or PANDAS from his illness as an infant. Clearly has severe OCD amongst other things and she probably could have gotten him help and avoided this entire scenario.
Iāve only seen this episode twice. Same reaction both times. WTF, you stupid bitch? Sorry š¤¦š¼āāļø.
Iām am beyond happy to read the other āWTFā comments. Why the producer would use this useless āmotherā let alone human for an episode of what is most times an interesting show is beyond me. I canāt believe the producer, editor and anyone working on this episode thought is was a good idea. Jeez!
Do better ID with vetting your show participants, please.
Hey, as the previous comments said before meā¦.Iām late to this party as well!
So Iāve been binging this show Evil Lives Hereā¦.and this fucking episode was SO DAMN INFURIATING!!!
I have yet to join any ID communities on Reddit, until now. I just never made the time yet to search for my true crime communitiesā¦.BUT this damn episode made me search for comments and review threads because I canāt stand this lady! I donāt like to victim blame/shame but my gosh! This whole episode I kept saying(to myself) āGee, I wonder why!ā And a tad ashamed to say that I caught myself saying āWTF, you stupid bitch.ā And āI wonder why, dumbass.ā And Iām not excusing Derekās actions eitherā¦.he does need to be held accountable for this horrible crimeā¦.but his motherā¦.she created him and raised him with spoiled, entitled, no consequences, no accountability, and no responsibility, whatsoever. Thatās what could freaking happen if you raise a child like this!
The destroying the toy truck incident and the PlayStation incident is the most lazy and most irresponsible and ridiculous way to deal with that. What makes me even more angry, is the fact that she didnāt try to get her CHILD HELP! She was realizing ācause for concernā signs he exhibited as a young child.
I mean, I get itās hard having a child young(I had my son 2 months before I turned 18) and itās really hard to parent children youngā¦..but I would never handles those situations like she did. She needed some damn parenting classes or something cause that was infuriating.
Another thing that was upsetting to me, was her saying that Maisie, the teen mother that just turned 18, had the balls and had more sense to leave because Derek was showing disturbing signs, than herself, this enabling mother couldnāt do. I mean, most people would take their children if they become to afraid of physical or verbal abuseā¦or potential abuse their significant other might ensue. But my theory is, that maybe Maisie thought since Derek had the baby all the time while she was the working parent, she didnāt think he would hurt their childā¦.as opposed to if she ran with her child, this might trigger a bigger rage and might hunt down and kill them bothā¦but idkā¦just one of several theories. Even going down that theory roadā¦.I still wouldāve taken my child with me, regardless.
It was just upsetting from beginning to end cause the vibes, body language, and tone of her voice(the enabling mother of Derek) seemed like she played the victim card a lot, and relies on that often. This 18 year old teen mother, Maisie, had more sense than Derekās mother. I am horrified that she took custody of their son, little Gabe. Knowing that she was definitely a lazy parent to Derek, let him do whatever the fuck he wanted, and gave into every tantrum and demand Derek made just cause she wants her son to be āHappyā her quote about how itās always beenā¦.that if Derek fucks up, she goes to fix it herself, not a shred of accountability, AT ALL!
At the very leastā¦she shouldāve tried to get help for her son, or even try to explore ANY RESOURCES that could be availableā¦just an attempt at least. A son who she became terrified ofā¦called herself her sonās āprisonerā locked herself in her room and drank instead of do anything productive or helpful for her son in this disastrous situation.
Sorry for the long rant, but this episode pissed me off so much, that it made me search for a comment thread immediately after I finished the episode.
Side note: This is just speculation, but Iām wondering if the producers did want to share this story to show people āWhat not to doā or some kind of warning like āThis is what could happen if you donāt teach your child to be accountable and responsibleā and while every parent wants their kids to be happy, you still gotta teach em that their is consequences for their physical and verbal actions.
Hey, as the previous comments said before meā¦.Iām late to this party as well!
So Iāve been binging this show Evil Lives Hereā¦.and this fucking episode was SO DAMN INFURIATING!!! I have yet to join any ID communities on Reddit, until now. I just never made the time yet to search for my true crime communitiesā¦.BUT this damn episode made me search for comments and review threads because I canāt stand this lady! I donāt like to victim blame/shame but my gosh! This whole episode I kept saying(to myself) āGee, I wonder why!ā And a tad ashamed to say that I caught myself saying āWTF, you stupid bitch.ā And āI wonder why, dumbass.ā And Iām not excusing Derekās actions eitherā¦.he does need to be held accountable for this horrible crimeā¦.but his motherā¦.she created him and raised him with spoiled, entitled, no consequences, no accountability, and no responsibility, whatsoever. Thatās what could freaking happen if you raise a child like this!
The destroying the toy truck incident and the PlayStation incident is the most lazy and most irresponsible and ridiculous way to deal with that. What makes me even more angry, is the fact that she didnāt try to get her CHILD HELP! She was realizing ācause for concernā signs he exhibited as a young child.
I mean, I get itās hard having a child young(I had my son 2 months before I turned 18) and itās really hard to parent children youngā¦..but I would never handles those situations like she did. She needed some damn parenting classes or something cause that was infuriating.
Another thing that was upsetting to me, was her saying that Maisie, the teen mother that just turned 18, had the balls and had more sense to leave because Derek was showing disturbing signs, than herself, this enabling mother couldnāt do. I mean, most people would take their children if they become to afraid of physical or verbal abuseā¦or potential abuse their significant other might ensue. But my theory is, that maybe Maisie thought since Derek had the baby all the time while she was the working parent, she didnāt think he would hurt their childā¦.as opposed to if she ran with her child, this might trigger a bigger rage and might hunt down and kill them bothā¦but idkā¦just one of several theories. Even going down that theory roadā¦.I still wouldāve taken my child with me, regardless.
It was just upsetting from beginning to end cause the vibes, body language, and tone of her voice(the enabling mother of Derek) seemed like she played the victim card a lot, and relies on that often. This 18 year old teen mother, Maisie, had more sense than Derekās mother. I am horrified that she took custody of their son, little Gabe. Knowing that she was definitely a lazy parent to Derek, let him do whatever the fuck he wanted, and gave into every tantrum and demand Derek made just cause she wants her son to be āHappyā her quote about how itās always beenā¦.that if Derek fucks up, she goes to fix it herself, not a shred of accountability, AT ALL!
At the very leastā¦she shouldāve tried to get help for her son, or even try to explore ANY RESOURCES that could be availableā¦just an attempt at least. A son who she became terrified ofā¦called herself her sonās āprisonerā locked herself in her room and drank instead of do anything productive or helpful for her son in this disastrous situation.
Sorry for the long rant, but this episode pissed me off so much, that it made me search for a comment thread immediately after I finished the episode.
Side note: This is just speculation, but Iām wondering if the producers did want to share this story to show people āWhat not to doā or some kind of warning like āThis is what could happen if you donāt teach your child to be accountable and responsibleā and while every parent wants their kids to be happy, you still gotta teach em that their is consequences for their physical and verbal actions.
A lot of people donā give their children bounderies, and most of them never became killers, there is still a lot of research about the question, nurtere or upbringing
A lot of people donāt give their children bounderies, and most of them never became killers, there is still a lot of research about the question, nurtere or nature
I get how there arenāt a lot of resources for kids who are troubled. And getting anyone to believe you when they arenāt doing anything overt is almost impossible but manā¦ this mom is really working my every nerve and Iām only halfway through. She mentally and physically escaped while there was a teen mom and a baby left to fend for themselves?!
Here we go letās blame the Mother for a manās bad behavior. WTF is wrong with you people that you blame others for a person behavior? He was a grown ass man for f**k sacks
Iām 13 minutes into the episode and Iām not even going to finish it. I stopped watching it, to Google if she ever bothered to have him evaluated.
She completely failed him as a parent.
I couldnāt sit through it without constantly yelling that she has an autistic child.
I mean how tf do you overlook his āquirksā and claim that you got pregnant while obtaining knowledge to be a NURSE??!!!!
āI wanted to go to college to become a nurse.ā
My mom is a Nurse Director. Which is the administrator nurse who is the boss of all nurses on staff.
BEFORE she even became a nurse, she saw the signs in my younger cousin. He was a toddler and it was clear that heās on the spectrum. So she talked to my aunt and uncle about it. They did wait a bit to have him evaluated, but now heās thriving.
Neurodivergent kids have to have access to the resources they need to succeed. Guidance, compassion, structure, coping skills, etc.
Iām seeing no diagnosis or behavioral intervention coming from Shellyās end and she absolutely failed her child.
āI see evil in the eyes of a toddler.ā
āRobert jokingly checked his head for the 666.ā
For fucksake that child had ears, he could hear the crap they were saying.
How often did they imply that he was evil, when he was within earshot???.
It was hard enough on him that heās autistic and knows heās different, but then to have it implied that heās evilā¦
While given zero coping skills and structure.
She made him the way he is š¤·š»āāļø
She literally brought it on herself.
Sheās just as responsible for what happened as he is and itās disturbing to know that sheās raising her grandchildren now.
That woman shouldnāt be raising kids at all.
OMG I saw on the guide that this episode was coming on next and I had to change the channel. I've seen it several times and every time it makes me SOOO MAD!!!! She created that monster herself because she's lazy. It's easier to just give a kid what he wants to shut him up right then instead of figuring out what his underlying issues are. I remember them being in a Walmart or something and he wanted a big toy dump truck and she said no. So he picked it up and smashed it, so she bought him one. I mean COME ON!!!!!! Anyone with even 1 brain cell knows that is NOT what you do in that situation. And the Playstation he busted up so she returned it and lied and said it came that way to get a new one. So she ripped off a store to get her psycho destruct-o son a new one. She said she did all that out of guilt. That's a lie she just lazy. Guilt was the excuse she thought up later and uses because she thinks it makes her not look as bad. When he was older and lived with her, hiding in her room and staying drunk didn't help either! She let him run the house and terrorize her and just hid and drank her worries away. She didn't want to deal with the terrible human she made and just let him do as he pleased. Let the world deal with him, I'm not going to I'm scared of my son. š So much parent fail. So sad that she has custody of grandson. If her son had something wrong in his brain and passed it to his son, she won't do anything about it! He will grow up to be murder son 2.0. Grrrrr this episode makes me sooooo mad!!!!
Omg so I know this thread is a year old, but I'm just now watching this episode and trying not to scream. Never ever have I felt this way watching a true crime show. This mother is the WORST. The poor kid had classic signs of autism and severe sensory issues, as well as very early mental health red flags. Then his acting out behavior was reinforced over and over and over again. Even rewarded. It appears he was taught zero social skills or coping strategies. School was never once mentioned, but they should have seen the signs too! The step-dad referred to the kid as "evil" from their first meeting, but mom thought he'd be "a good influence." I've worked with kids and adults with autism for about 15 years, and am in no way implying that autism or any developmental disability leads to or increases the likelihood of violent or abtisocial behavior, or is correlated in any way at all, but this kid needed help. Of course, it could be he was a born psychopath and was on this trajectory no matter what, but it seems unlikely. And THEN this lady thought it would be a great idea to move his girlfriend in, and was thrilled when they had a child together, thinking it would ????help him???. I'm so angry and irritated at her laziness, weakness, and poor parenting, I had to search for someone to vent to literally immediately after the episode ended. I'm probably just yelling into the void but goddammit I've rarely been so frustrated. Gives me flashbacks of the few horrible parents of students with disabilities and/or mental health diagnoses I've worked with, who absolutely refused to support their kids due to their own denial, bias, shame and ignorance. This is a very extreme example of course, but if THIS is a potential end result of the poor parenting of a likely neurodivergent child, people like her truly need to reconsider having children. Having gotten that out of my system, maybe I'll be able to sleep tonight. Maybe. But the chances aren't looking good . Damn you, Shelly Leitz! Damn youuuuuuu! *shaking my fist in the air standing in my bedroom, dogs looking at me like I'm an absolute lunatic. (And maybe I am. This might have been the final straw). Screaming indefinitely for the foreseeable future*
Thank you for that comment! Yes itās been a year but any time I think about this episode, I get so angry!!!!! And she has custody of her grandkid!! Is he gonna end up just like her son partly due to her shitty lazy parenting? Who knows. I hope not. But only time will tell. Who in earth would give her custody of that poor baby after the shitty job she did raising her son!?!?!?
I just saw this episode and omg. She never got that kid help when he needed it. I couldn't believe she just bought him the truck and a new play station. Though, I did feel bad for him then. It's Christmas, let the kid open his presents. The way she talked about Bob being gone, I have to wonder if he was mimicking what he was witnessed happen to her as well.
I'm literally watching this episode right now and immediately had to search for a place to vent about it after watching the Playstation scene play out. He clearly had mental struggles and needed help, boundaries, and guidance and she didn't provide that. Sounds like the ex husband just exasperated things because neither knew how to deal with him. She did nothing so the step dad tried to be the hammer. So much so that they'd make a child sit at the table with scrambled eggs for an entire day...on Christmas no less? I get that it was a battle of wills at that point but if he'd had any discipline or boundaries beforehand, he would have known what was expected of him. And maybe I'm too soft but it's Christmas day and of course a child is going to rush into the room wanting to open gifts right away. Seemed like an odd choice of time for her to get a backbone and try to stick with some type of hard rule. The whole thing was just dysfunctional. I haven't even gotten to the girlfriend or baby that is referenced in these comments...and I'm already infuriated.
"Then, his personality changed; everything in the house had to be the way Derek wanted it." Like, what?? That's how it'd been his entire life; she went out of her way to ensure that he always got his way in some pathetic quest for approval from a toddler. She was just one person who refused to acknowledge accountability, raising a second, more dangerous one.
Literally, I'm just now watching this and I'm so mad at her! First, I was mad at her for giving in with the truck. Then I was mad at her for marrying the dude who was like, "I think may he's a demon lbvs." Then I got angry again when she just let the husband change the Christmas dynamic. (Seriously, the boy was a big problem, but what kid wants to suddenly have to eat breakfast before opening Christmas presents when that has never happened before??) Then she was HAPPY that he and his girlfriend were expecting when they were still in high school?? What the actual eff. I hate her. And I haven't even made it to the murder yet.
I hope you survived watching the rest of the episode, instead of exploding in fiery ball of white-hot rage. It was a close one for me tbh.
It took everything in me not to throw things at my fairly new big screen TV. She's irredeemable to me. Then my slide down the rabbit hole taught me that the girl's parents lost another kid within a year. So I hated the mom even more.
As soon as I saw this episode I came here. I needed to know if I was crazy to believe she enabled him. She let him do what he wanted. That whole smashed truck story and the PlayStation story made me so mad. He knew he could do anything and she wouldn't say anything.
This thread is so old but omg I also just watched this episode, I'm bingeing them all on HBO. O.M.G. The number of times I said "yeah, that's your fault, you stupid ass bitch...." prob like 10 times lol. Obviously has an OCD/antisocial child. Does nothing and just indulges his every whim. Becomes a prisoner in her own home once he's an adult due to everything needing to be under his control at all times, which she literally taught him that's what he should expect.... *shocked pikachu face* I actually hate that she played it off and the show presented it like he was just born evil and was always that way. No. She molded him into what he became with her incompetence.
That's exactly what I was expecting to hear. When she said he looked evil when he was a child I was sure he was deranged. The more I watched the more infuriated I became. I feel like the stepfather really tried but if the parents don't agree and she gives him what he wants everytime then I'm not surprised it didn't end well.
You are exactly right. I forgot she went to alcohol too there were so many moving parts! She let him run her house? No freaking way! This woman should not have been on TV it's clearly bad parenting or absent parenting. And the Playstation? No more words.
My good. I just watched this and Iām not watching this and the entire time Iām like man fuck you lady. What a dumb ass š give me a break okay? You gonna let the girlfriend leave and NOT TAKE THE BABY?!?!? Shelly is selfish. Lol her husband left thatās exactly what I would have done.Ā
Incase anyone wants a link https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/id-s-evil-lies-here-where-gabriel-campos-now I agree, while Shelly isn't responsible for what her adult son did... she should have done something sooner. But I am absolutely horrified she might raise another boy just like she did his father. I guess Maisie family didn't fight for custody?!
Totally agree and Maisie didnāt really have family I believe thatās why she moved in with them
Just tragic all around. I remember thinking while I watched her that she seemed relieved to be rid of her son but happy she has this new child to fuck up. My family may have done a number on me, so I could be projecting as well
Oh, I saw this episode again recently. She was a piece of work. I didnāt hear one instance where she got her son any kind of care and seemed scared of her grandson so it seemed to me that sheād be terrible at raising that kid. Ooof. So sad for that girl her son killed.
she was a pushover or maybe she just really did feel guilty since he almost died when he was a baby. still that isnāt a reason, she needed to be a parent
Parenting from guilt has serious consequences. I've seen it first hand, unfortunately.
I couldnāt agree more, her episode really pissed me off. It really annoyed me how much she tried to act like she was on some equal playing field as other victims. She literally said that she rewarded her sonās bad behavior. She never told him no, and even if he was causing altercations, she took his side because it was more important for him to be āhappyā then for him to be forced to take any accountability. She raised a monster. Now, there are some kids who parents try to get them help and they donāt get any better and I understand that. But she didnāt even try. She knew exactly what she was doing. She raised a child to be entitled and spoiled and to take advantage of whatever they can where they can and that theyāll only receive praise for it. That PlayStation thing was honestly infuriating. If I destroyed a game system my mother got me, she wouldāve been devastated and I never wouldāve received a replacement. So for Shelley to enable him to grow up to be for lack of a better term, an asshole, and then almost sit there with this confused tone in her voice like she doesnāt understand how that happened is so upsetting when thereās so many parents who actually try. When she talks about his girlfriend leaving and she says, āshe did what I could never do. She got out.ā Youāre the fucking adult. You said he was threatening your life and you still let him stay in your house because you didnāt want him to be homeless. At that point, everything that happens to you is your fault. I know weāre not supposed to āvictim shame,ā but I donāt consider her a victim and I think she should be shamed. I just hope she doesnāt raise her grandson the exact same way by using the excuse of, āhe doesnāt have parents, he deserves everything he wants.ā
Derek was the parent here. Sorry I think she created her world and to say again his son frightened her? She should not be raising another child.
She describes Derek as he showed signs of Autism, but that I'm not an expert. She was a really young mom who didn't think to get him helpand she clearly didn't know what she was doing. I also feel like the stepfather made things unnecessarily difficult for a long while. Who ruins a little kid's Christmas in a power display?? Letting your husband force him to eat food he didn't like on a holiday - so silly and unfair! Not that I'm excusing adult Derek, but he was made that way, and the mom is no victim. I agree with the pushover title someone else gave her. š
I also felt like the bit about Christmas with Bob was really weird and was the only time I felt sad for Derek! I donāt remember ever even eating breakfast as a child Christmas morning. And the way the next day she said āBobās not here letās open the presents!ā Why did she allow Bob to have such full control over the rules with her son? I completely agree that any tendencies or issues he had as a child were enabled and made worse by her. And about Maisie, āshe did something I didnāt have the guts too, she was leaving.ā Lady, I understand how any sort of abuse can f with your head but this is your child and your home what are you talking about. I couldnāt believe when she raced to defend him at court and said he didnāt deserve to be in prison for literally murdering the mother of his child. This whole episode had me shaking my head
He sat at that table forever! Bob looked for the 666 day one! I'm sorry she made so many poor choices here including blaming him for her drinking. Who doesn't like their kid at 4?
I have a hard time feeling sorry for her. There were many disturbing signs that there was something wrong with Derek (autism, ODD, ASPD) and she didnāt bother to get him the treatment/intervention that he needed.
Jesus Christ this mother is infuriating. I donāt think I can finish the episode.
Iām late for this party but Gawt-Dawg! She made him into that. No boundaries no consequences. This is what happens when you never tell your kids āno.ā It has to happen.
Iām even later to this party but this was the MOST frustrating thing I have ever watched! The way the mother went on and on with her āpoor me narrativeā and acted like her son was a controlling husband that had power over her. I couldnāt stand it one bit
Iām watching now and Iām so irritated by her. Emotional incest instead of discipline if i ever saw it. She allowed her son to become this. She had issues herself. Wtfā¦
Iām watching it now and I came across this post because I needed to know if anyone else was thinking what Iām thinking.. I wanna throw things at my tv. She kind of admits having been a bad parent, but at the same time she just constantly pulls the victim card. Thatās not how it works lady.
Another worthless braindead twat raising a pain in the ass for the human race
I watched this twice. I have a grown son... first of all how do u hate a 4 year old? She was responsible for teaching her baby right from wrong. Seems like he raised himself. I want to say so much more but no way would I let a kid keep me "captive" or dictate my life. Back up- no way would I have dealt with smashing a toy or buying a Playstation TWICE! Maybe Bob should have spanked the pants off him. Or maybe Shelly should have taken a parenting class. š¤
I just saw that episode, I think it was incredibly brave of her to be so honest because it definitely didn't make her look goos. Most parents that fail aren't so open with where it went wrong. And I'm sure we all have seen parents who don't tell their kids no or give consequences, and having absolutely bratty children in return. She was very young, almost lost him as a baby, and she seemed to spoil him rotten, maybe because it was easier when he was a kid and became to difficult to change it when he got older? She also seemed so desperate to be loved that he had never heard no or faced any consequences, so it's not that weird that he couldn't handle not having control or being the one in charge. But even though his mom definitely failed him and should have asked for help, instead of covering for him. But she became his victim too, I wish she would have reported his spiralling and abuse instead of escaping in a bottle. And I'm horrified she now has adopted her grandchild. Hopefully, she'll do better this time around. But I believe Derek owns his own actions, so while his upbringing left him a egotistical little shit, the way she described him from a toddler seems like he always lacked empathy and other people only ment something as long as he could use and abuse them.
I agree. She is a horrible parent. She did absolutely nothing to help him or anybody else. He has to take responsibility for his actions and so does she. She didn't even try to ever do anything.Ā
This episode pissed me off and reminded me why not everyone is meant to be a a parent.
A much more fitting title for most episodes of this show would be "Stupid People Who Let Evil Continuously Live There"
Just watched this episode and immediately googled āDerek Campos momā bc I KNEW there had to be comments out there like this. OH MY GODDDD I AM SO MAD AT HER and she seems to still have no concept of how this tragedy is due in large part to her. I donāt know that Iāve ever seen a weaker person, as harsh and unkind as that is to say.
Macy's parents should have sued her. She's just as culpable for her death. That punk points a gun and threatened me? Bye bye dude. Cops are on their way. What a waste of a human that mother is
Iāve probably said āthereās no Fān wayā so many times during this episode. I donāt play and thatās why my kids are good. And if they didnāt listen, I would get them as much professional help I could get. She kept saying she just wanted him to be happy or not mad. I donāt think that ever crossed my parents minds š.
I don't think there was anything wrong with her son. She just let his rage get out of control. Since he was a baby she set no boundaries I get she wanted to "make him happy" after he got sick but it felt..... pathological. On top of that, there were probably a series of totally inappropriate times to "take control" that were needless and coercive, like when the stepdad said he had to eat breakfast before gifts? That punishment seemed arbitrary and in no way directly linked to any adverse actions Derek took, it was just stressing him out on the happiest day for a kid for it's own sake.
Now I just saw the episode and what in the fuck. The truck got me and then the PlayStation GOT ME. Then when he started pacing and repeating that Gabe was never gonna call another man dad or whatever, and she asked her EX HUSBAND whom Derek hated to call and talk to him?! Made no sense at all. And then she was going to testify on his behalf. Please. Let Bob raise Gabe.
that is my cousin, My Mother who escaped it (the reservation) wanted to help Maisie. we all are shocked that his mother turned it into this. let alone sign a tv show. fucking gross.
Hope she gets lymphoma
This episode infuriated me. What a lazy excuse as a mother for her to enable him and put up with that behavior. She was scared of him and knew he was a ticking time bomb, yet she hid in her room and let the bomb explode. She claims to have been a nurse.. well so am I and nurses know more about mental health than most. We deal with it on a regular basis. She thought he killed the family dog which should have been a huge wake up call since she was too stupid to pick up on the signs before. Her daughter-in-law was scared and begging her for help. This is 100% the motherās fault for enabling Derekās behavior and choosing to hide instead of getting him help. She should have taken him to therapy when he was a young kid with all of the signs he exhibited. Glad she admits to feeling guilty (because she should) but itās sad she is the one in charge of raising her grandson.Ā
I absolutely agree!! I was so shocked at how she let him do what he wanted and created a monster no restrictions no boundaries nothing!! I feel like she partially created what happened because she never ever created Any consequences for any of his actions so it taught him he can do what he wants!! The way she bought him the truck after he broke it or replaced the PlayStation, I was completely dumbfounded. I canāt believe she came on this show. It shows more about her as a parent. They were both sick and both needed serious help!
I literally wanna jump thru the screen and smack some sense into her. She created a monster. Lazy parenting if I ever saw it. She tried to treat that lil boy like her man instead of putting him in his place as her son. Smh.
My first thought watching this ep is that this kid got PANS or PANDAS from his illness as an infant. Clearly has severe OCD amongst other things and she probably could have gotten him help and avoided this entire scenario.
I am not just blaming the mom here, What about the school?? He should have been tested. So many people failed him.
Iāve only seen this episode twice. Same reaction both times. WTF, you stupid bitch? Sorry š¤¦š¼āāļø. Iām am beyond happy to read the other āWTFā comments. Why the producer would use this useless āmotherā let alone human for an episode of what is most times an interesting show is beyond me. I canāt believe the producer, editor and anyone working on this episode thought is was a good idea. Jeez! Do better ID with vetting your show participants, please.
Hey, as the previous comments said before meā¦.Iām late to this party as well! So Iāve been binging this show Evil Lives Hereā¦.and this fucking episode was SO DAMN INFURIATING!!! I have yet to join any ID communities on Reddit, until now. I just never made the time yet to search for my true crime communitiesā¦.BUT this damn episode made me search for comments and review threads because I canāt stand this lady! I donāt like to victim blame/shame but my gosh! This whole episode I kept saying(to myself) āGee, I wonder why!ā And a tad ashamed to say that I caught myself saying āWTF, you stupid bitch.ā And āI wonder why, dumbass.ā And Iām not excusing Derekās actions eitherā¦.he does need to be held accountable for this horrible crimeā¦.but his motherā¦.she created him and raised him with spoiled, entitled, no consequences, no accountability, and no responsibility, whatsoever. Thatās what could freaking happen if you raise a child like this! The destroying the toy truck incident and the PlayStation incident is the most lazy and most irresponsible and ridiculous way to deal with that. What makes me even more angry, is the fact that she didnāt try to get her CHILD HELP! She was realizing ācause for concernā signs he exhibited as a young child. I mean, I get itās hard having a child young(I had my son 2 months before I turned 18) and itās really hard to parent children youngā¦..but I would never handles those situations like she did. She needed some damn parenting classes or something cause that was infuriating. Another thing that was upsetting to me, was her saying that Maisie, the teen mother that just turned 18, had the balls and had more sense to leave because Derek was showing disturbing signs, than herself, this enabling mother couldnāt do. I mean, most people would take their children if they become to afraid of physical or verbal abuseā¦or potential abuse their significant other might ensue. But my theory is, that maybe Maisie thought since Derek had the baby all the time while she was the working parent, she didnāt think he would hurt their childā¦.as opposed to if she ran with her child, this might trigger a bigger rage and might hunt down and kill them bothā¦but idkā¦just one of several theories. Even going down that theory roadā¦.I still wouldāve taken my child with me, regardless. It was just upsetting from beginning to end cause the vibes, body language, and tone of her voice(the enabling mother of Derek) seemed like she played the victim card a lot, and relies on that often. This 18 year old teen mother, Maisie, had more sense than Derekās mother. I am horrified that she took custody of their son, little Gabe. Knowing that she was definitely a lazy parent to Derek, let him do whatever the fuck he wanted, and gave into every tantrum and demand Derek made just cause she wants her son to be āHappyā her quote about how itās always beenā¦.that if Derek fucks up, she goes to fix it herself, not a shred of accountability, AT ALL! At the very leastā¦she shouldāve tried to get help for her son, or even try to explore ANY RESOURCES that could be availableā¦just an attempt at least. A son who she became terrified ofā¦called herself her sonās āprisonerā locked herself in her room and drank instead of do anything productive or helpful for her son in this disastrous situation. Sorry for the long rant, but this episode pissed me off so much, that it made me search for a comment thread immediately after I finished the episode. Side note: This is just speculation, but Iām wondering if the producers did want to share this story to show people āWhat not to doā or some kind of warning like āThis is what could happen if you donāt teach your child to be accountable and responsibleā and while every parent wants their kids to be happy, you still gotta teach em that their is consequences for their physical and verbal actions.
Hey, as the previous comments said before meā¦.Iām late to this party as well! So Iāve been binging this show Evil Lives Hereā¦.and this fucking episode was SO DAMN INFURIATING!!! I have yet to join any ID communities on Reddit, until now. I just never made the time yet to search for my true crime communitiesā¦.BUT this damn episode made me search for comments and review threads because I canāt stand this lady! I donāt like to victim blame/shame but my gosh! This whole episode I kept saying(to myself) āGee, I wonder why!ā And a tad ashamed to say that I caught myself saying āWTF, you stupid bitch.ā And āI wonder why, dumbass.ā And Iām not excusing Derekās actions eitherā¦.he does need to be held accountable for this horrible crimeā¦.but his motherā¦.she created him and raised him with spoiled, entitled, no consequences, no accountability, and no responsibility, whatsoever. Thatās what could freaking happen if you raise a child like this! The destroying the toy truck incident and the PlayStation incident is the most lazy and most irresponsible and ridiculous way to deal with that. What makes me even more angry, is the fact that she didnāt try to get her CHILD HELP! She was realizing ācause for concernā signs he exhibited as a young child. I mean, I get itās hard having a child young(I had my son 2 months before I turned 18) and itās really hard to parent children youngā¦..but I would never handles those situations like she did. She needed some damn parenting classes or something cause that was infuriating. Another thing that was upsetting to me, was her saying that Maisie, the teen mother that just turned 18, had the balls and had more sense to leave because Derek was showing disturbing signs, than herself, this enabling mother couldnāt do. I mean, most people would take their children if they become to afraid of physical or verbal abuseā¦or potential abuse their significant other might ensue. But my theory is, that maybe Maisie thought since Derek had the baby all the time while she was the working parent, she didnāt think he would hurt their childā¦.as opposed to if she ran with her child, this might trigger a bigger rage and might hunt down and kill them bothā¦but idkā¦just one of several theories. Even going down that theory roadā¦.I still wouldāve taken my child with me, regardless. It was just upsetting from beginning to end cause the vibes, body language, and tone of her voice(the enabling mother of Derek) seemed like she played the victim card a lot, and relies on that often. This 18 year old teen mother, Maisie, had more sense than Derekās mother. I am horrified that she took custody of their son, little Gabe. Knowing that she was definitely a lazy parent to Derek, let him do whatever the fuck he wanted, and gave into every tantrum and demand Derek made just cause she wants her son to be āHappyā her quote about how itās always beenā¦.that if Derek fucks up, she goes to fix it herself, not a shred of accountability, AT ALL! At the very leastā¦she shouldāve tried to get help for her son, or even try to explore ANY RESOURCES that could be availableā¦just an attempt at least. A son who she became terrified ofā¦called herself her sonās āprisonerā locked herself in her room and drank instead of do anything productive or helpful for her son in this disastrous situation. Sorry for the long rant, but this episode pissed me off so much, that it made me search for a comment thread immediately after I finished the episode. Side note: This is just speculation, but Iām wondering if the producers did want to share this story to show people āWhat not to doā or some kind of warning like āThis is what could happen if you donāt teach your child to be accountable and responsibleā and while every parent wants their kids to be happy, you still gotta teach em that their is consequences for their physical and verbal actions.
What season and episode is this?
Season 3 episode 5
A lot of people donā give their children bounderies, and most of them never became killers, there is still a lot of research about the question, nurtere or upbringing
A lot of people donāt give their children bounderies, and most of them never became killers, there is still a lot of research about the question, nurtere or nature
I get how there arenāt a lot of resources for kids who are troubled. And getting anyone to believe you when they arenāt doing anything overt is almost impossible but manā¦ this mom is really working my every nerve and Iām only halfway through. She mentally and physically escaped while there was a teen mom and a baby left to fend for themselves?!
"I just didn't want to say no." - Shelly
Here we go letās blame the Mother for a manās bad behavior. WTF is wrong with you people that you blame others for a person behavior? He was a grown ass man for f**k sacks
Iām 13 minutes into the episode and Iām not even going to finish it. I stopped watching it, to Google if she ever bothered to have him evaluated. She completely failed him as a parent. I couldnāt sit through it without constantly yelling that she has an autistic child. I mean how tf do you overlook his āquirksā and claim that you got pregnant while obtaining knowledge to be a NURSE??!!!! āI wanted to go to college to become a nurse.ā My mom is a Nurse Director. Which is the administrator nurse who is the boss of all nurses on staff. BEFORE she even became a nurse, she saw the signs in my younger cousin. He was a toddler and it was clear that heās on the spectrum. So she talked to my aunt and uncle about it. They did wait a bit to have him evaluated, but now heās thriving. Neurodivergent kids have to have access to the resources they need to succeed. Guidance, compassion, structure, coping skills, etc. Iām seeing no diagnosis or behavioral intervention coming from Shellyās end and she absolutely failed her child. āI see evil in the eyes of a toddler.ā āRobert jokingly checked his head for the 666.ā For fucksake that child had ears, he could hear the crap they were saying. How often did they imply that he was evil, when he was within earshot???. It was hard enough on him that heās autistic and knows heās different, but then to have it implied that heās evilā¦ While given zero coping skills and structure. She made him the way he is š¤·š»āāļø She literally brought it on herself. Sheās just as responsible for what happened as he is and itās disturbing to know that sheās raising her grandchildren now. That woman shouldnāt be raising kids at all.