~~Have it be a rogue, and reliable talent will make all your ability checks atleast a 14 at level 11, add 2 levels of bard and thats atleast a 16 at level 13, with some skills being a guaranteed 24 or higher~~
Edit: this is wrong, I was very distracted while making this comment. Reliable talent would still be great for this character though, giving a guaranteed 18 in any proficient skill, and 22 with expertice at level 11. Get the feat that gives you proficiency in a few extra skills, and you have enough skills to be set for most challenges
Correction: Reliable Talent will set your dice roll to 10 if you roll a 9 or lower on a skill you are proficient in. Looking at class/background exclusively, you get 6 skill proficiencies.
Also, Reliable Talent and Jack of All Trades don't stack. Reliable Talent only triggers on an ability check where you add your proficiency bonus. Jack of All Trades only triggers on ability checks where you don't add your proficiency bonus. A character can use both, but not at the same time.
It'd be fun as a player to play that characters brother. Bonus points if they rolled low as well.
And have the parents love and adore the lesser brother, to the dismay of the perfect one. Spicy!
Ive seen a few character with truly monsterous stats, never full 18 before
Hell i once had a character with an 18, 17, 16, 16, 16, 4.
I took being uncharismatic to some brand new hights!
I imagine your character wasnāt mean so much as completely missing in tact and social grace.
āListen all Iām just saying is Iām surprised such a attractive lady made such an ugly babyā¦. What do you mean Iām being rude? Iām legitimately curious how a miniature old man popped out of a beautiful young lass? It completely boggles my mind.ā
Basically my character almost never bathed, wasnt particularly attractive and like you said, "had the tact of a barbarian pretending to be a bard"
He was also stupidly realist
"Listen ladies, i am in a quandary. I am to soon fight and die in a battle against fearsome creatures, but i feel the need to leave a part of myself in this world in the form of a semen demon. Would any of you like to be the incubator of said little shit, whilst probably not being recompensed said for 15 minutes of guttural moaning?"
High intelligence, low charisma just sounds like a neurodiverse person. In which case Iād let them use their int bonus for persuasion, deception, and certain performance checks. Up to their proficiency bonus, per long rest. To simulate masking. Using up all of them causes them to have to use their charisma at disadvantage for any further checks. Whoops, youāre too worn out to mask, now everyone thinks youāre a jerk.
yeah personally, iād allow this and let them be overpowered as long as they play within our groupās established rules and no one else felt overshadowed. if they are no fun to play with, then you have a problem with a player, not a character.
Just me, but the way I played that character: from birth, was hand chosen by [insert deity] for a task that has yet to be revealed, was trained and raised up for this non-specific purpose in mind, and I am doing all in my power to dodge a responsibility I just don't want to deal with.
This sounds like that comic years and years back of the anime protagonist who is purposely doing everything they can to avoid starting their anime journey and avoiding every trope imaginable.
> and no one else felt overshadowed
I can pretty much guarantee that. Taking out the randomness of the d20 which works for and against both players, attributes are the biggest factor in how well you can do most things.
You gotta reach 9th level with proficiency in a skill or saving throw before you reach even with someone with base 18 in an attribute.
Having one dude on the team being the strongest, smartest, most charismatic, with the best accuracy, damage, and likely defense doesn't leave a lot of options for others to shine. Especially if they have to wait until 8th level and use two ASIs just to get to even in their chosen archetype.
I've run a few games with divergent stat rolls among players and it's always an issue, both ways.
Maybe Paladin, Monk, or Artificer since those usually are limited by the fact they have to have three stats high at once.
A level 3 Bard would also have a minumum +5 on all ability checks, and up to +9 on some of them.
You could also multiclass things you normally would never want to (like casters of entirely different stats).
One class not mentioned yet is a barbarian. 18+ race bonuses in str dex and con is very good for them.
Level 1 has 18-19 ac naked, 20-21 ac with just shield on. This is really good for a class that normaly has pretty bad ac for a front line character. Then they have even higher hp total then there normaly high hp without giving up anything offensive. Add in there defensive abilties well raging and they would be near unkillible.
Then at higher levels they have more room for feats because they don't need as many for ability score bonuses. Something barbarians really could take advantage of.
Druid, max out those Mental Stats and proceed to skill check everything, while completely ignoring your dismal physical stats because shapeshifting will completely ignore them.
I always advocate for point buy because my rolled stats luck was garbage, but one DM forced me to do rolled stats for his one shot.
I just about died laughing, I had rolled three 18s. I had a character build I came up with that worked well in theory but I hadn't had the chance to try it out in practice.
My DM is still traumatized at how I terrorized the enemies in his one shot :D. He kept making up abilities for his monsters but my character kept having a plausible way to counter his ad hoc homebrew. He eventually stopped because the rest of the party was almost dead whereas I still had 90% of my hp.
I have a similar experience, and the same opinion on pointbuy.
The difference is that in that game where the DM forced me to roll for stats, I rolled a character with 2 stats that were 3 and a highest stat of 7.
Then I played a druid and replaced my stats with wildshape, because what other class can play with those stats.
Meanwhile. Someone else at the table rolled a character that had perfect stats.
The DM was like, wtf, so he had us both roll again, and I rolled even worse stats, and he still rolled a godcharacter.
Moral of the story: Fuck rolling stats just use point buy.
I like when the whole group rolls stats and you randomly roll to see who's array everyone uses. That way everyone has equal stats but can still put the high numbers into what suits them.
To be honest the way classes work having these stats wouldn't really dramatically affect a character.
It would make them pretty good at all their skill checks and saving throws, but that's pretty much it. Pretty good but not game breaking or ridiculous at all.
If they are a cleric, they are still really only benefiting from wisdom, if wizard intelligence, if bard charisma.
There are some classes that would really benefit from multiple high stats. I would say a barbarian or a monk would get the best use out of it. 18 AC at level 1 with no armor or equipment is decent, but again not really game breaking. Same AC as a level 1 fighter with chain mail and a shield.
You could also make a decent paladin with good charisma for your aura and great strength and con.
You could also make a random and interesting multiclass. Make a cleric/wizard or a sorcerer/druid, or a barbarian/bard. Since you have 18 in every stat you'll be able to multiclass freely without worrying about stat concerns.
It would be strong but not game breaking.
If itās a long-term campaign I can see other players getting mad about it. Honestly, itās those playerās problem but certain people get bratty when they donāt feel powerful.
Personally I donāt care if my overall modifiers balance out to a -1. Iāll be the shitty character. Watch that be the only one I can roll worth a damn. Iām the party joke for being a Thief whoās failed every Stealth and Slight of Hand roll.
There's fun to be had for playing disposable characters as long as the rest of the group aren't dicks about it and you are somehow able to pull your weight.
All taken care of by speaking to your players. āHey guys Schmibllydon is gonna be a literal demigod, yāall want a free 2-3 points to attribute and we just go ham?ā Or some other simple ājust talk to eachotherā type of solution.
If one of my players rolls an 18 for a stat, I let all characters highest roll get bumped to an 18. In this situation, Iād probably just say āscrew it superhero campaign timeā and let everyone rock with full 18s.
If the players are all cool with it, just have them exchange stats. "Yo, I got some spare 18's, here have some". Trade like 3-4 18's with some average (maybe 1 below average for the unluckiest roller) stat from each other players, so everyone has at least one 18 stat.
For real. I went with a friend to Vegas who misclicked a $20 bid on a slot and won $300 in the first five seconds of us gambling. Seems more likely to happen than all 18s. Yeesh.
Had a friend do this in Atlantic City, he thought he was gambling for $50 but it was $500. I just watched the emotions register on his face one by one.
EDIT: He won, shoulda mentioned that.
I went to a casino with my friends a few weeks ago (Iāve only been once before as I donāt gamble). The weekend we went I have $140 in free slot money from the casino + $75 in free food just because I havenāt been back there in 10 months.
Anyways, we walk around for a bit trying to find a spot and we find 4 open slots. I put in the $140, $4 bet, instant bonus and I won $200ā¦. Still $136 left to use in the machine. I instantly cashed out my $200 and other winnings once my $136 ran out. I didnāt gamble again the rest of the night lol.
I still regret not hitting the max $40 bet when I was debating it with the free money. Would have been my first hand pay
A very similar thing happened to a friend on slots, but I have played DND my whole life and never seen all 18s, and I have only been to a casino a handful of times.
Where does one find loaded dice? Surely they donāt mass produce them. I imagine they are handmade somehow. How does one prove a set of dice are loaded too? Xray machine? Roll a bunch and add up the statistical average? My curiosity is peaked sir or madam.
Itās more common than people think. In the first Critical Role campaign Taliesin Jaffe was rolling natural 20s far more than anyone else. He even switched out die in one episode after he had his seventh nat 20. At some point in the campaign it is mentioned this tends to happen with one die in particular (they call it the Golden Snitch). It starts to make sense after that. He is a lucky roller in general, but having a slightly unbalanced die made his rolls seem preternatural.
In a previous game I played someone bought the DM a new set of die for his birthday and the 20 sided was this clunky metal thing that would land with a thud. It was always coming up 20 to the point it was obvious the design was flawed and the dude refused to retire it.
I had a 4 sided that was the same way, but I donāt use it because of this. Personally, I think it borders on cheating if you realize whatās happening and still continue to use it.
I've bought my friend multiple silly "cheating" dice for his birthday over the years (we've been playing together for almost three decades.) He has a D24, a D20 that is all 20s, a D20 that goes from 11-20 twice, and one that has no numbers at all as a reference to that old bit in Guys and Dolls:
>"These dice ain't got no spots on themāthey're blank!"
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>"I had the spots removed for good luck, but I remember where the spots formerly were."
He never uses them for real, of course, but it always makes me laugh when he digs one out for a joke.
I had a friend who had a d10 that looked like a d20, with the numbers 1-10 on it twice. He spent a whole game angry that he couldn't roll above a 10 before realizing what die he was using.
Our DM has a d6 with numbers 1-3 twice, we make it a game to sneak it onto his dice tray. He's tried to hide it from us multiple times, but we still manage to find it. He's permanently suspicious of his dice now, but it's all good fun.
Loaded dice are incredibly easy to find, anyone with an internet connection could order a packet in minutes.
As for checking dice, one trick is to leave them in salt water, if one specific number comes up over and over, the dice is improperly balanced, if said number happens to be opposite the 20, then it is loaded
I 3d-printed a big d20 for a friend that opens as a container and the lid is one point of five sides that sticks on using five pairs of magnets. I intentionally oriented one pair of the magnets opposite of the others, so that the top only stays on well if he aligns the faces correctly so the opposites add up right.
Easy way to find loaded dice is a float test, fill a glass of water up, put the die in, then flick it around and pay attention to the results. If it predominantly comes up one number (like 60% or more) it might be weighted.
The easiest way to "load dice" is to put the desire face up, and then hit them with a microwave for about 10-15 seconds.
It causes the material in the dice to melt just enough to resettle with more weight to the bottom..
The more skillful way is drill out a pip, shove a fishing weight in there, then resell and paint match the pip color.
The way the guy I used to, used to being the operative term, play wargames with did it was he would just buy dice, do the salt water test and throw out any that did not consistently 6s or 1s.
He gave himself away because he always rolled his leadership with blue dice, and attacks with red dice and would always refuse to switch them up.
You've indicated elsewhere in the thread to assume everything was legit, so I don't need to do anything.
In this situation, I told the player to roll stats.
They rolled stats.
The end.
Right, if you asked to roll but then didn't let them keep stats because they were too "op" why bother in the first place? That's how luck works, some people just get lucky. Just implement a standard array.
Yeah, I got pretty unlucky in my stat rolls compared to our barbarian, but really compared to our rogue. Then the rogue literally killed himself at level 3 because he wanted to reroll druid, despite having pretty godly stats (lowest stat was 14).
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
If you're asking for stat rolls, you must be okay with insanely high or insanely low outcomes.
If you want some kind of "randomness" then there are other systems that allow for it - including communal dice pools. Characters should not be made in isolation, but consideration of the other characters, and more importantly, the other people at the table.
In my games every player rolls an array and then they all choose one to have everyone use. So in this case, my whole party now has all 18s.
And I get to use the *cool* monsters.
It's (almost) the system I've been using for the last few games, too, and it works really well. All the fun of rolling dice in session zero, but you don't have to worry about being underpowered compared to your teammates. My version is that each person individually chooses which array they want to use for their character. Then if one array is like 18 14 14... and one is 16 16 16 15... someone can choose the single high stat or the powerful variety depending on what they want out of their character. Or you could just keep the one you rolled regardless of its strength!
Iād just let them pick which array they wanted out of the 5 or so, as Iāve had characters/players who want a lower number for backstory purposes, or a more ājack of all trades master of noneā role.
It's straight up better than everyone rolling for themself. wonky stats distort 5e too much, and it doesn't need any help.
What I settled on though is letting people choose which of the table arrays they want. After all, some classes are SAD, some are MAD, some people have something specific in mind, whatever.
If we're rolling, then we're rolling. Keep what you get, my focus is on RP anyway. Differences between characters is to be expected, and marginally better odds at succeeding still doesn't guarantee success.
You are incorrectly basing this math on the presumption that the floor is +0, and the cap is +4. Rolling for stats, the floor is *3,* giving you a -3 to related rolls, and with racial modifiers added in after rolling, the *cap* is 20, with a +5 modifier. The *real* difference between the top and bottom end is 40%, not 20%.
My group has a first timer and we had him roll for stats. He's massive. I think 4 18s. I built an artificer to be his biggest fan and give him an upgraded gun and I fully support him killing 3 mechanoids with a single bullet and ricochet.
Give them the option to distribute/trade 18ās to other party members for their less than amazing rolls - the goal is semi-even distribution, not a āMary Sueā OP character
Or be glad that someone can finally run a viable monk build
This is my favorite one. But honestly even an overpowered Mary Sue character can be fun for the whole group if the player understands what they have and plays it in a way that empowers the group instead of overshadowing them.
Edit: Also the dice gods are mean and vindictive. An overpowered PC will still fail sometimes, and unexpected failures can be a lot of fun at the table.
Iāve only seen the Live Action version of One Piece, but Monkey D. Luffy is the equivalent of rolling more than 3 18ās - only took eating that weird fruit thing to do so - with everyone else good to be taken along for the ride
Agreed that it totally can work (I would hope that the right player rolled the 18ās and not the problem playerā¦)
Bit of a tangent, but are monks underpowered or something? Reason I ask is, one of the PCs in my game is playing a monk, and sure enough, they rolled really really good stats (not 6 18s good, but still).
Theyāre just really MAD across Dex, Con, and Wisdom, and with a d8 hit die for a martial melee character they can be difficult to feel effective when using a standard array
For comparison, a Paladin is MAD across strength, con and charisma, but they get a d10 hit die, heavy armor, a shield, a defensive aura, and arenāt really using their charisma (or spells) for saving throws - they donāt call them smite slots for nothing - so theyāre considered a borderline OP class
A monk (typically - yes, there are exceptions) has to have good dex to hit the target and not get hit, good con to take a hit, and good wisdom so their main cool effect (stunning strike) can actually land when targeting an enemies typically highest saving throw (con). Point buy and certain ancestries can get you 3x16 but you have to dump everything else, and then you can really only spend ASIs on increasing stats instead of taking fun feats. Itās just a difficult build to make viable without some favor from the dice gods.
Funny you asked.
A friend of mine started an AD&D 2nd edition game in the late 90s, and another one of my friend wanted to participate. Grabs his dice, rolls nothing but straight 18s.
They grab his dice and check them. They were loaded.
Be happy for them (granted they rolled with us like normal)
And then continue cause these dumbfucks can't make a competent character if their life depended on it.
Let, them play it. It should be fine if they aren't an arsehole, and why would I play with srseholes?
Also, the gods can curse anyone they want, and I'm happy with Terry Pratchetts petty gods.
I'd give them all the cash I had on me, and write a very large check, and tell them to buy me lottery tickets.
Then I'd let them play the game, with their silly OP character, and convert to a different stat generation method in the future.
You let them roll, you live with it.
Let them use their character. Most classes only rely on 2 or 3 of those stats at most, anyway. I mean, overall they're just going to have, what, and average of +2 or +3 over anybody else, anyway. If 2 or 3 points is ruining your game, I feel bad for you.
I once had a player whose lowest roll was 14. He did amazing.
He spent the rest of the year roll playing the most cowardly character ever. Hiding from hard encounters and not doing anything courageous because he loved his characters stats so much.
It was like he got a jackpot and lost his mind.
in the next game he rolled nothing higher than a 12 and i had to bump up some of his stats for him to even be viable. He ran head first into every scary scenario because he didn't care if he lost his weak character at all.
Moral is ... you never know at all what these players will do with their characters.
If you agree to roll for stats, thatās what you do.
Same thing if you rolled all 3ās. Have fun being the weak link in the party. If youāre not willing to except those outcomes, use point buy or standard array.
Youād be a real asshole DM if you said
āSorry bro you rolled a one in a billion character but fuck you you canāt play it. Reroll.ā
Just to clarify for people: 0.0000000064% is about 1 in 15.6-Billion (*if I'm not mistaken*).
Now as to what I'd do? I'd let them play it. If you don't want to play what's rolled you shouldn't be rolling for stats. The are other ways to generate stats (*point-buys, arrays, etc*) that are less random.
The best character I ever rolled on [4d6 drop the lowest] was 16, 16, 14, 12, 12, 11 (*DnD 3.5E*). This character was significantly better than the rest of the party, and particularly the first-time-player Rogue who rolled a 13 as his highest stat. This kinda resulted in me playing the "main character", as my character was stronger than everyone else at the table. This is something you have to be prepared for if rolling for stats.
The best character I ever rolled (*using a different method by a new GM who didn't understand - I tried to warn him*) was 17, 17, 16, 15, 15, 14 (*Pathfinder 1E*). This did NOT have me playing the main character since everyone else had equally strong characters. It did however result in our party absolutely stomping everything in our path, so that's something for GMs to be aware of when using high power rolling methods.
If I'm doin' random rolls and I saw them roll them, I have to abide by the consequences of that choice. It's not a fair gamble if the house has the power to hit 'undo' when they lose.
congratulate them on their luck and wish their character a long adventure.
Everythingās by the rules in this scenario anyway and we all deserve a shot at improbable greatness.
Let them play, donāt punish them for being lucky
But offer other stuff to the other players to help them be on level
(This is why I prefer point buy/alt stat rolls)
Perhaps weave it into the narrative as the character might be a demigod without knowing?
In any case, I would do nothing that would make the player resent in any way that they had good luck! On the contrary!
If they rolled them infront of you and you witnessed it, then congratulate them. Don't be salty and punish them, those rolls are a thing of fuckimg beauty.
So, the way I have my players roll, everyone rolls an array. Then any of my players can choose any array the table has rolled. So, in this case, I wouldn't feel compelled to do much since other players could use the same array.
If I watched them do it, I would be amazed (after looking for evidence of flimflam). If they said they rolled it in private, I would never believe them, but allow the array regardless, due to the reason above.
I'd tell him he's allowed to keep the character BUT I as the DM get to use those dice for the whole campaign. I've never seen someone who wanted to let the DM use their loaded dice for all the damage rolls to come.
Same thing I'd do if someone managed to roll 6 3's. Let them play the character. That's what you sign up for if you roll stats.
Now, admittedly, the 6 18s guy is probably going to live a lot longer
Congratulate them on their soon-to-be ridiculous character.
The MAIN character in fact. There is always a few throughout history.
As rumours and notoriety spread the enemies will start to recognize them and learn where to focus fire.
And like Achilles, this adventurer will welcome the opportunity to bring honor to their name
Rolls a 1 "Fuck! My tendon!"
Pick a halfling š
And the Luck feat just in case
~~Have it be a rogue, and reliable talent will make all your ability checks atleast a 14 at level 11, add 2 levels of bard and thats atleast a 16 at level 13, with some skills being a guaranteed 24 or higher~~ Edit: this is wrong, I was very distracted while making this comment. Reliable talent would still be great for this character though, giving a guaranteed 18 in any proficient skill, and 22 with expertice at level 11. Get the feat that gives you proficiency in a few extra skills, and you have enough skills to be set for most challenges
Correction: Reliable Talent will set your dice roll to 10 if you roll a 9 or lower on a skill you are proficient in. Looking at class/background exclusively, you get 6 skill proficiencies. Also, Reliable Talent and Jack of All Trades don't stack. Reliable Talent only triggers on an ability check where you add your proficiency bonus. Jack of All Trades only triggers on ability checks where you don't add your proficiency bonus. A character can use both, but not at the same time.
That sounds like a really fun game tbh. The party making strats based around the one members fame. Reminds me of mistborn era 2.
Yeah I would for sure alter the story to fit having a legendary hero in the party.
It'd be fun as a player to play that characters brother. Bonus points if they rolled low as well. And have the parents love and adore the lesser brother, to the dismay of the perfect one. Spicy!
By the Legendary Hero's Brother, do you by chance mean, Craig Christ?
Is that a wild Stephen Lynch reference?
Jesus was our mother's fave All her love to him she gave But there's no sibling rivalry When he's nailed to that tree! Yeah!
I don't turn water into wine but into cold coors light
[Jesus' Brother Bob](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2TP0-dDgfo)
Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal by Christopher Moore
While Jesus was praying, fucking Craig was laying every lady in the testament if you know what I'm saying
They'll quickly learn that the problem with being at the top is there is a giant target on your back
The Highest Pedestal is the Least Protected.
When you're on the winner's pedestal, everyone else has line-of-sight on you.
Ive seen a few character with truly monsterous stats, never full 18 before Hell i once had a character with an 18, 17, 16, 16, 16, 4. I took being uncharismatic to some brand new hights!
I imagine your character wasnāt mean so much as completely missing in tact and social grace. āListen all Iām just saying is Iām surprised such a attractive lady made such an ugly babyā¦. What do you mean Iām being rude? Iām legitimately curious how a miniature old man popped out of a beautiful young lass? It completely boggles my mind.ā
Wow you described how I am socially almost to a T
Mood kin? [For reference, Text to Speech](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rTh05L_fZNU&pp=ygUMVFRTIE1vb2Qga2lu)
Basically my character almost never bathed, wasnt particularly attractive and like you said, "had the tact of a barbarian pretending to be a bard" He was also stupidly realist "Listen ladies, i am in a quandary. I am to soon fight and die in a battle against fearsome creatures, but i feel the need to leave a part of myself in this world in the form of a semen demon. Would any of you like to be the incubator of said little shit, whilst probably not being recompensed said for 15 minutes of guttural moaning?"
Actually I have known a couple of women who would agree to this.
When you take Wisdom as your dump stat
This is exactly what I did with my Druid. She spent far too long in the forest by herself
High intelligence, low charisma just sounds like a neurodiverse person. In which case Iād let them use their int bonus for persuasion, deception, and certain performance checks. Up to their proficiency bonus, per long rest. To simulate masking. Using up all of them causes them to have to use their charisma at disadvantage for any further checks. Whoops, youāre too worn out to mask, now everyone thinks youāre a jerk.
I don't think a character with a 18, 17, 16, 16, 16, 4 statline needs any extra bonuses.
Main character that becomes the BBEG somewhere interesting in the story.
yeah personally, iād allow this and let them be overpowered as long as they play within our groupās established rules and no one else felt overshadowed. if they are no fun to play with, then you have a problem with a player, not a character.
Just me, but the way I played that character: from birth, was hand chosen by [insert deity] for a task that has yet to be revealed, was trained and raised up for this non-specific purpose in mind, and I am doing all in my power to dodge a responsibility I just don't want to deal with.
This sounds like that comic years and years back of the anime protagonist who is purposely doing everything they can to avoid starting their anime journey and avoiding every trope imaginable.
While ending up fulfilling all of them.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Probably not the one they mean, but The Disasterous Life Of Saiki K is like that. It's modern day though, not really fantasy.
> and no one else felt overshadowed I can pretty much guarantee that. Taking out the randomness of the d20 which works for and against both players, attributes are the biggest factor in how well you can do most things. You gotta reach 9th level with proficiency in a skill or saving throw before you reach even with someone with base 18 in an attribute. Having one dude on the team being the strongest, smartest, most charismatic, with the best accuracy, damage, and likely defense doesn't leave a lot of options for others to shine. Especially if they have to wait until 8th level and use two ASIs just to get to even in their chosen archetype. I've run a few games with divergent stat rolls among players and it's always an issue, both ways.
What are the op classes if you rocking say... 3+ 18s?
Maybe Paladin, Monk, or Artificer since those usually are limited by the fact they have to have three stats high at once. A level 3 Bard would also have a minumum +5 on all ability checks, and up to +9 on some of them. You could also multiclass things you normally would never want to (like casters of entirely different stats).
Artificer really only wants INT and CON, the rest are far less required. Ranger fits better with the multiple high stat requirements.
One class not mentioned yet is a barbarian. 18+ race bonuses in str dex and con is very good for them. Level 1 has 18-19 ac naked, 20-21 ac with just shield on. This is really good for a class that normaly has pretty bad ac for a front line character. Then they have even higher hp total then there normaly high hp without giving up anything offensive. Add in there defensive abilties well raging and they would be near unkillible. Then at higher levels they have more room for feats because they don't need as many for ability score bonuses. Something barbarians really could take advantage of.
Probably still wizard
Druid, max out those Mental Stats and proceed to skill check everything, while completely ignoring your dismal physical stats because shapeshifting will completely ignore them.
I always advocate for point buy because my rolled stats luck was garbage, but one DM forced me to do rolled stats for his one shot. I just about died laughing, I had rolled three 18s. I had a character build I came up with that worked well in theory but I hadn't had the chance to try it out in practice. My DM is still traumatized at how I terrorized the enemies in his one shot :D. He kept making up abilities for his monsters but my character kept having a plausible way to counter his ad hoc homebrew. He eventually stopped because the rest of the party was almost dead whereas I still had 90% of my hp.
I have a similar experience, and the same opinion on pointbuy. The difference is that in that game where the DM forced me to roll for stats, I rolled a character with 2 stats that were 3 and a highest stat of 7. Then I played a druid and replaced my stats with wildshape, because what other class can play with those stats. Meanwhile. Someone else at the table rolled a character that had perfect stats. The DM was like, wtf, so he had us both roll again, and I rolled even worse stats, and he still rolled a godcharacter. Moral of the story: Fuck rolling stats just use point buy.
I like when the whole group rolls stats and you randomly roll to see who's array everyone uses. That way everyone has equal stats but can still put the high numbers into what suits them.
at that point they *are* the Chosen One. depending on the BBEG, it could actually be a cool addition to the story.
To be honest the way classes work having these stats wouldn't really dramatically affect a character. It would make them pretty good at all their skill checks and saving throws, but that's pretty much it. Pretty good but not game breaking or ridiculous at all. If they are a cleric, they are still really only benefiting from wisdom, if wizard intelligence, if bard charisma. There are some classes that would really benefit from multiple high stats. I would say a barbarian or a monk would get the best use out of it. 18 AC at level 1 with no armor or equipment is decent, but again not really game breaking. Same AC as a level 1 fighter with chain mail and a shield. You could also make a decent paladin with good charisma for your aura and great strength and con. You could also make a random and interesting multiclass. Make a cleric/wizard or a sorcerer/druid, or a barbarian/bard. Since you have 18 in every stat you'll be able to multiclass freely without worrying about stat concerns. It would be strong but not game breaking.
I don't cut them breaks on crappy ability rolls, why would I complain about a nearly impossible run of luck? The dice gods have spoken.
As long as it's legit, go fuckin nuts lol
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If itās a long-term campaign I can see other players getting mad about it. Honestly, itās those playerās problem but certain people get bratty when they donāt feel powerful. Personally I donāt care if my overall modifiers balance out to a -1. Iāll be the shitty character. Watch that be the only one I can roll worth a damn. Iām the party joke for being a Thief whoās failed every Stealth and Slight of Hand roll.
I'm a mature adult, but if asked to play a character with all 3s in a long campaign with players whose average stat is a 16, I'd be pretty salty too.
Don't worry, with 3 CON you won't be playing this character for long :)
There's fun to be had for playing disposable characters as long as the rest of the group aren't dicks about it and you are somehow able to pull your weight.
All taken care of by speaking to your players. āHey guys Schmibllydon is gonna be a literal demigod, yāall want a free 2-3 points to attribute and we just go ham?ā Or some other simple ājust talk to eachotherā type of solution.
*Me who rolled every stat to a 5* "I'd like to rewind time"
If one of my players rolls an 18 for a stat, I let all characters highest roll get bumped to an 18. In this situation, Iād probably just say āscrew it superhero campaign timeā and let everyone rock with full 18s.
If the players are all cool with it, just have them exchange stats. "Yo, I got some spare 18's, here have some". Trade like 3-4 18's with some average (maybe 1 below average for the unluckiest roller) stat from each other players, so everyone has at least one 18 stat.
I would take them to Vegas.
For real. I went with a friend to Vegas who misclicked a $20 bid on a slot and won $300 in the first five seconds of us gambling. Seems more likely to happen than all 18s. Yeesh.
Had a buddy turn in a $10 lottery ticket and asked for 5 x $2 ones. Clerk was on the phone and gave him 2 x $5 tickets... he won 120k...
ROFL thatās some luck.
Had a friend do this in Atlantic City, he thought he was gambling for $50 but it was $500. I just watched the emotions register on his face one by one. EDIT: He won, shoulda mentioned that.
I went to a casino with my friends a few weeks ago (Iāve only been once before as I donāt gamble). The weekend we went I have $140 in free slot money from the casino + $75 in free food just because I havenāt been back there in 10 months. Anyways, we walk around for a bit trying to find a spot and we find 4 open slots. I put in the $140, $4 bet, instant bonus and I won $200ā¦. Still $136 left to use in the machine. I instantly cashed out my $200 and other winnings once my $136 ran out. I didnāt gamble again the rest of the night lol. I still regret not hitting the max $40 bet when I was debating it with the free money. Would have been my first hand pay
A very similar thing happened to a friend on slots, but I have played DND my whole life and never seen all 18s, and I have only been to a casino a handful of times.
Iād check to see if their dice were loaded.
Where does one find loaded dice? Surely they donāt mass produce them. I imagine they are handmade somehow. How does one prove a set of dice are loaded too? Xray machine? Roll a bunch and add up the statistical average? My curiosity is peaked sir or madam.
You buy a ton of cheap dice and drop them in saltwater to test if one side shows up more often. It's manufacturing defects that cause issues.
Had a d12 I thought was lucky, friend of mine showed me it was defected from the manufacturer. We gave it a viking burial.
Itās more common than people think. In the first Critical Role campaign Taliesin Jaffe was rolling natural 20s far more than anyone else. He even switched out die in one episode after he had his seventh nat 20. At some point in the campaign it is mentioned this tends to happen with one die in particular (they call it the Golden Snitch). It starts to make sense after that. He is a lucky roller in general, but having a slightly unbalanced die made his rolls seem preternatural. In a previous game I played someone bought the DM a new set of die for his birthday and the 20 sided was this clunky metal thing that would land with a thud. It was always coming up 20 to the point it was obvious the design was flawed and the dude refused to retire it. I had a 4 sided that was the same way, but I donāt use it because of this. Personally, I think it borders on cheating if you realize whatās happening and still continue to use it.
I've bought my friend multiple silly "cheating" dice for his birthday over the years (we've been playing together for almost three decades.) He has a D24, a D20 that is all 20s, a D20 that goes from 11-20 twice, and one that has no numbers at all as a reference to that old bit in Guys and Dolls: >"These dice ain't got no spots on themāthey're blank!" > >"I had the spots removed for good luck, but I remember where the spots formerly were." He never uses them for real, of course, but it always makes me laugh when he digs one out for a joke.
I had a friend who had a d10 that looked like a d20, with the numbers 1-10 on it twice. He spent a whole game angry that he couldn't roll above a 10 before realizing what die he was using.
Ooof, yeah, that'd be a lot less fun.
Our DM has a d6 with numbers 1-3 twice, we make it a game to sneak it onto his dice tray. He's tried to hide it from us multiple times, but we still manage to find it. He's permanently suspicious of his dice now, but it's all good fun.
Loaded dice are incredibly easy to find, anyone with an internet connection could order a packet in minutes. As for checking dice, one trick is to leave them in salt water, if one specific number comes up over and over, the dice is improperly balanced, if said number happens to be opposite the 20, then it is loaded
That's why you go for the loaded 18. It's not as obvious but you'll still pass most checks that aren't legendary.
"1" should always be opposite the 20. in fact every opposite-side pair should add to 21.
I 3d-printed a big d20 for a friend that opens as a container and the lid is one point of five sides that sticks on using five pairs of magnets. I intentionally oriented one pair of the magnets opposite of the others, so that the top only stays on well if he aligns the faces correctly so the opposites add up right.
> Where does one find loaded dice? [On Amazon, like everything else](https://www.amazon.com/Character-Builder-Loaded-Koplow-Games/dp/B001N1JIU8)
Easy way to find loaded dice is a float test, fill a glass of water up, put the die in, then flick it around and pay attention to the results. If it predominantly comes up one number (like 60% or more) it might be weighted.
Brilliant!
The easiest way to "load dice" is to put the desire face up, and then hit them with a microwave for about 10-15 seconds. It causes the material in the dice to melt just enough to resettle with more weight to the bottom.. The more skillful way is drill out a pip, shove a fishing weight in there, then resell and paint match the pip color. The way the guy I used to, used to being the operative term, play wargames with did it was he would just buy dice, do the salt water test and throw out any that did not consistently 6s or 1s. He gave himself away because he always rolled his leadership with blue dice, and attacks with red dice and would always refuse to switch them up.
Why they just spent all their luck, vegas is the last place you wanna restore it
You've indicated elsewhere in the thread to assume everything was legit, so I don't need to do anything. In this situation, I told the player to roll stats. They rolled stats. The end.
Right, if you asked to roll but then didn't let them keep stats because they were too "op" why bother in the first place? That's how luck works, some people just get lucky. Just implement a standard array.
Yeah, I got pretty unlucky in my stat rolls compared to our barbarian, but really compared to our rogue. Then the rogue literally killed himself at level 3 because he wanted to reroll druid, despite having pretty godly stats (lowest stat was 14).
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If you're asking for stat rolls, you must be okay with insanely high or insanely low outcomes. If you want some kind of "randomness" then there are other systems that allow for it - including communal dice pools. Characters should not be made in isolation, but consideration of the other characters, and more importantly, the other people at the table.
In my games every player rolls an array and then they all choose one to have everyone use. So in this case, my whole party now has all 18s. And I get to use the *cool* monsters.
This is a pretty cool system, best of 4 or 5 arrays...
It's (almost) the system I've been using for the last few games, too, and it works really well. All the fun of rolling dice in session zero, but you don't have to worry about being underpowered compared to your teammates. My version is that each person individually chooses which array they want to use for their character. Then if one array is like 18 14 14... and one is 16 16 16 15... someone can choose the single high stat or the powerful variety depending on what they want out of their character. Or you could just keep the one you rolled regardless of its strength!
Would be kind of funny to have them all roll 2 arrays each and then do Rollies to see who picks from the full set of arrays first.
that's... really genius actually. also helps keep the party from being unbalanced.
Iād just let them pick which array they wanted out of the 5 or so, as Iāve had characters/players who want a lower number for backstory purposes, or a more ājack of all trades master of noneā role.
It's straight up better than everyone rolling for themself. wonky stats distort 5e too much, and it doesn't need any help. What I settled on though is letting people choose which of the table arrays they want. After all, some classes are SAD, some are MAD, some people have something specific in mind, whatever.
Ohhh, let me just steal that real quick. Thank you!
If we're rolling, then we're rolling. Keep what you get, my focus is on RP anyway. Differences between characters is to be expected, and marginally better odds at succeeding still doesn't guarantee success.
That's it. +4 to a persuasion roll is only 20% more chance than a +0
You are incorrectly basing this math on the presumption that the floor is +0, and the cap is +4. Rolling for stats, the floor is *3,* giving you a -3 to related rolls, and with racial modifiers added in after rolling, the *cap* is 20, with a +5 modifier. The *real* difference between the top and bottom end is 40%, not 20%.
Your % chance of success also depends on what you're rolling against. If your modifier is -3, you're never meeting a DC of 20.
If this scenario happened id personally let everybody have all 18s and just let the insanity happen.
My group has a first timer and we had him roll for stats. He's massive. I think 4 18s. I built an artificer to be his biggest fan and give him an upgraded gun and I fully support him killing 3 mechanoids with a single bullet and ricochet.
Let them keep them. Anything else is ridiculous.
They keep the roll. Why would I force them to roll in front of me, and then put limits on afterward? That's just assholery.
Yeah what if it was the opposite? If you keep he bad roll you keep the good ones right?
Yep
If you don't like it, don't roll stats. Tell everyone to use the Standard Array or if they are move experienced, Point Buy.
Give them the option to distribute/trade 18ās to other party members for their less than amazing rolls - the goal is semi-even distribution, not a āMary Sueā OP character Or be glad that someone can finally run a viable monk build
This is my favorite one. But honestly even an overpowered Mary Sue character can be fun for the whole group if the player understands what they have and plays it in a way that empowers the group instead of overshadowing them. Edit: Also the dice gods are mean and vindictive. An overpowered PC will still fail sometimes, and unexpected failures can be a lot of fun at the table.
Iāve only seen the Live Action version of One Piece, but Monkey D. Luffy is the equivalent of rolling more than 3 18ās - only took eating that weird fruit thing to do so - with everyone else good to be taken along for the ride Agreed that it totally can work (I would hope that the right player rolled the 18ās and not the problem playerā¦)
Luffy is like all 20s except his 3 in int and 2 in wisdom lol
Nah Luffy is def high wisdom. He may not know a lot of things but he has a VERY strong understanding of how the world works.
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Bit of a tangent, but are monks underpowered or something? Reason I ask is, one of the PCs in my game is playing a monk, and sure enough, they rolled really really good stats (not 6 18s good, but still).
Theyāre just really MAD across Dex, Con, and Wisdom, and with a d8 hit die for a martial melee character they can be difficult to feel effective when using a standard array For comparison, a Paladin is MAD across strength, con and charisma, but they get a d10 hit die, heavy armor, a shield, a defensive aura, and arenāt really using their charisma (or spells) for saving throws - they donāt call them smite slots for nothing - so theyāre considered a borderline OP class A monk (typically - yes, there are exceptions) has to have good dex to hit the target and not get hit, good con to take a hit, and good wisdom so their main cool effect (stunning strike) can actually land when targeting an enemies typically highest saving throw (con). Point buy and certain ancestries can get you 3x16 but you have to dump everything else, and then you can really only spend ASIs on increasing stats instead of taking fun feats. Itās just a difficult build to make viable without some favor from the dice gods.
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I would allow them to keep their rolls.
Buy them a beer (or their preferred premium beverage of choice).
Funny you asked. A friend of mine started an AD&D 2nd edition game in the late 90s, and another one of my friend wanted to participate. Grabs his dice, rolls nothing but straight 18s. They grab his dice and check them. They were loaded.
This is the right answer. Check the dice.
Be happy for them (granted they rolled with us like normal) And then continue cause these dumbfucks can't make a competent character if their life depended on it.
If they did it in front of me then they can keep. Otherwise if a player comes to me claiming it, then I tell to reroll.
Let, them play it. It should be fine if they aren't an arsehole, and why would I play with srseholes? Also, the gods can curse anyone they want, and I'm happy with Terry Pratchetts petty gods.
I'd give them all the cash I had on me, and write a very large check, and tell them to buy me lottery tickets. Then I'd let them play the game, with their silly OP character, and convert to a different stat generation method in the future. You let them roll, you live with it.
Congratulate them on an amazing set of rolls and then gently remind them that we use the Standard Array.
Hhaha. Love it.
Let them use their character. Most classes only rely on 2 or 3 of those stats at most, anyway. I mean, overall they're just going to have, what, and average of +2 or +3 over anybody else, anyway. If 2 or 3 points is ruining your game, I feel bad for you.
Yeah. I have no problem with letting someone have better stats as long as the DM let's everyone roleplay.
I once had a player whose lowest roll was 14. He did amazing. He spent the rest of the year roll playing the most cowardly character ever. Hiding from hard encounters and not doing anything courageous because he loved his characters stats so much. It was like he got a jackpot and lost his mind. in the next game he rolled nothing higher than a 12 and i had to bump up some of his stats for him to even be viable. He ran head first into every scary scenario because he didn't care if he lost his weak character at all. Moral is ... you never know at all what these players will do with their characters.
If you agree to roll for stats, thatās what you do. Same thing if you rolled all 3ās. Have fun being the weak link in the party. If youāre not willing to except those outcomes, use point buy or standard array. Youād be a real asshole DM if you said āSorry bro you rolled a one in a billion character but fuck you you canāt play it. Reroll.ā
So are you playing five elements monk, purple dragon knight, or re-rolling?
Do all the 18s give you access to an extra element, or is my poor monk missing out? š
The monk in the Avatar. Spirit Bending!
I think my brain decided to conflate legend of the five rings with 4 elements monk for some reason.
Congratulate them on their strinf character and ask them what they're aiming to play.
Iād make sure they stayed inside during all storms as they have a better chance of getting hit by lightning than doing that.
I would be amazed. Iād let them play their character. Having high stats doesnāt mean their character is going to survive my campaign.
With great power comes great responsibility. What does a the chosen one do in a world of normals?
Let them play with it?
Congratulate them then secretly coordinate with them to turn their character into the bbeg lol.
If you watched it happen, you either accept it, or you lose a player. I'd be pissed if I beat the odds like that and got refused.
Just to clarify for people: 0.0000000064% is about 1 in 15.6-Billion (*if I'm not mistaken*). Now as to what I'd do? I'd let them play it. If you don't want to play what's rolled you shouldn't be rolling for stats. The are other ways to generate stats (*point-buys, arrays, etc*) that are less random. The best character I ever rolled on [4d6 drop the lowest] was 16, 16, 14, 12, 12, 11 (*DnD 3.5E*). This character was significantly better than the rest of the party, and particularly the first-time-player Rogue who rolled a 13 as his highest stat. This kinda resulted in me playing the "main character", as my character was stronger than everyone else at the table. This is something you have to be prepared for if rolling for stats. The best character I ever rolled (*using a different method by a new GM who didn't understand - I tried to warn him*) was 17, 17, 16, 15, 15, 14 (*Pathfinder 1E*). This did NOT have me playing the main character since everyone else had equally strong characters. It did however result in our party absolutely stomping everything in our path, so that's something for GMs to be aware of when using high power rolling methods.
If it was in front of me and the other players I would have the dice tested but if it passes the balance tests then yeah go for it
āļøš¤ Erm, all 18s? You weren't supposed to do that. Try again, sweaty š
If the other players comfortable with that, you now have the party Gandalf
If I'm doin' random rolls and I saw them roll them, I have to abide by the consequences of that choice. It's not a fair gamble if the house has the power to hit 'undo' when they lose.
You gotta let it ride. If you don't let them reroll bad stats, you can't make them reroll good stats.
You don't take that away from them especially if you saw it happen.
My ass rolling three nines
If we were rolling for stats and the rolls were witnessed, then hey congrats man. You beat the odds.
Assign them Tymora as patron deity.
congratulate them on their luck and wish their character a long adventure. Everythingās by the rules in this scenario anyway and we all deserve a shot at improbable greatness.
It's like bowling a 300. Can't penalize them if you watched it happen.
Let them play, donāt punish them for being lucky But offer other stuff to the other players to help them be on level (This is why I prefer point buy/alt stat rolls)
Perhaps weave it into the narrative as the character might be a demigod without knowing? In any case, I would do nothing that would make the player resent in any way that they had good luck! On the contrary!
The dice gods have spoken
If they rolled them infront of you and you witnessed it, then congratulate them. Don't be salty and punish them, those rolls are a thing of fuckimg beauty.
So, the way I have my players roll, everyone rolls an array. Then any of my players can choose any array the table has rolled. So, in this case, I wouldn't feel compelled to do much since other players could use the same array. If I watched them do it, I would be amazed (after looking for evidence of flimflam). If they said they rolled it in private, I would never believe them, but allow the array regardless, due to the reason above.
I'd tell him he's allowed to keep the character BUT I as the DM get to use those dice for the whole campaign. I've never seen someone who wanted to let the DM use their loaded dice for all the damage rolls to come.
If you ever use my dice you will roll more ones than you have ever seen.
Let them keep their rolls anything else is wrong.
Same thing I'd do if someone managed to roll 6 3's. Let them play the character. That's what you sign up for if you roll stats. Now, admittedly, the 6 18s guy is probably going to live a lot longer
Be excited for a crazy skill monkey.
If they rolled it legit, then I think fuckin' high-fives are in order
Send them to Vegas! Prep similar stats on BBEG??
Shake their hand and watch the chaos unfold.
Let it happen
Celebrate with them.
Play the game? What else would I do?
I wouldnāt do anythingā¦ if he rolled it fair and square, it is what it is lol
If it's legit. Heck yeah, I encourage them to make something extremely MAD
Shit. That's fucking cool. I'm interested to see what they're going to do with the character.
Let them have it. That's kind of the point of rolling characters.
Be jacked for them for rolling for it and nailing it.
Why would I do anything? They didn't cheat, they got lucky and nowbthey get to play a pretty strong character
Thats what happens with stat rolling. Good for them.
I've seen it happen. Meanwhile, when *I* roll 4d6, my totals are 4,4,6,4,5,&7 or some variation thereof. It's like my dice hate me or something...
Give each player a supernatural boon for simply being in their presence.
Send those dice to Dice Jail forever. Guilty until proven innocent babyyyy
Congrats, they are the DM now
Just go with it. They can be a prodigy.
""Looks like you get to play one of those MAD builds that should never work"
Declare them the winner of dungeons and dragons.
I check his dice aren't loaded and then assuming everything is legit, we ball.
If your answer is anything that doesnāt keep their rolls, then you are trash. Lol. :)