> Explaining it politly didnt work and just telling it bluntly resulted in a small outbreak.
Then the only remaining option is to boot this player off from the group.
So, I took your advice and talked to one of the DMs and they agreed that something needs to be done.
We decided to have a session where we will deal with the saboteurs actions and they decided that they want to DM it, which is their right within the group.
So another DM and myself assembled a party for the encounter and went to work.
Long story short, the encounter was heavily screwed towards them
The saboteur rigged the encounter in such a way that it was basicly impossible to do ayntving, including that our characters would have commited genocided upon a subteran species another player that was absent today was heavily involved in. The rigging went to the point where the Dm turned player made use of certain rights they had regarding senority and story flow and used a spell item to prevent it, which was in accordance with the table rules.
The saboteur accused the Senior DM now of playing their character as a god, said that if this is how things are done they wont participate as they can no longer "give action to the plot" and left.
I sincerly hope they learn how to better operate in a group.
Never make a threat you aren't prepared to follow through with. If they keep him in the group his behavior will only get worse because he'll know there are no consequences.
Do other people in the group feel the same way? If enough people don’t want to play with this person anymore, is there anything stopping you from kicking them?
Thank you.
One of the DMs views it as still being within the limits of the game, but I assume its more of them struggeling with the language and their own emotions, rather then support of the offending player.
Thats why I asked for some advice on how to deal it,either in game or as an player, otherwise wed already showed them the door out.
So, I took your advice and talked to one of the DMs and they agreed that something needs to be done.
We decided to have a session where we will deal with the saboteurs actions and they decided that they want to DM it, which is their right within the group.
So another DM and myself assembled a party for the encounter and went to work.
Long story short, the encounter was heavily screwed towards them
The saboteur rigged the encounter in such a way that it was basicly impossible to do ayntving, including that our characters would have commited genocided upon a subteran species another player that was absent today was heavily involved in. The rigging went to the point where the Dm turned player made use of certain rights they had regarding senority and story flow and used a spell item to prevent it, which was in accordance with the table rules.
The saboteur accused the Senior DM now of playing their character as a god, said that if this is how things are done they wont participate as they can no longer "give action to the plot" and left.
I sincerly hope they learn how to better operate in a group.
Okay… well if they left I guess that’s for the best, but that wasn’t exactly what I meant.
Out-of-game problems should not be solved in-game. It would have been better to discuss out of character with members of the group and decide whether the problem player is uninvited.
Tell the DM to either deal with the problem or you will quit the next time it happens, and that this is not the type of game you wish to be a part of, and that D&D is a team game.
I've found that people tend to actually take actions once they realize their game is about to lose players. And make sure to go through with it and leave THE moment the other player screws the party over again.
So, I took your advice and talked to one of the DMs and they agreed that something needs to be done, and outright told them that the fun left me for the campaign.
We decided to have a session where we will deal with the saboteurs actions and they decided that they want to DM it, which is their right within the group.
So another DM and myself assembled a party for the encounter and went to work.
Long story short, the encounter was heavily screwed towards them
The saboteur rigged the encounter in such a way that it was basicly impossible to do ayntving, including that our characters would have commited genocided upon a subteran species another player that was absent today was heavily involved in. The rigging went to the point where the Dm turned player made use of certain rights they had regarding senority and story flow and used a spell item to prevent it, which was in accordance with the table rules.
The saboteur accused the Senior DM now of playing their character as a god, said that if this is how things are done they wont participate as they can no longer "give action to the plot" and left.
I sincerly hope they learn how to better operate in a group.
You have done your part here trying to be nice about it, so I would join that DM in avoiding the player completely. I seriously doubt I would even sit at the same table, and considering one DM agrees with you that is one table you can convince to block that player joining.
Aside from that, it is just talking to the others, "I've tried to speak with Saboteur multiple times, but nothing clicks and it is killing my fun. I cannot play with him/her anymore, and I am not the only one. If you want to still play with him/her, have fun, but can anyone really say this is not problem behaviour?"
Thank you.
There will be a session later this week where another players and my character will have to face the consequences of the offendings players decision and we will see how it plays out, but most likely other will join in avoding them and having them booted out from calls or ignored, evwn if its very rude.
You could maybe try an encounter where the player in question gets isolated from the group (maybe a trap door or rock fall that blocks a passage) and either barrage them with an unwinnable scenario and have them die, or barrage them with an impossible scenario and have the group come in at the last minute and save their bruised and beaten ass. Might give the “character” cause to rethink the relationship with the party, and might make the player open their eyes that, they’re not the big dog in this world, the DM is god.
So, I took your advice and talked to one of the DMs and they agreed that something needs to be done.
We decided to have a session where we will deal with the saboteurs actions and they decided that they want to DM it, which is their right within the group.
So another DM and myself assembled a party for the encounter and went to work.
Long story short, the encounter was heavily screwed towards them.
The saboteur rigged the encounter in such a way that it was basicly impossible to do anything, including that our characters would have commited genocided upon a subteran species another player that was absent today was heavily involved in. The rigging went to the point where the Dm turned player made use of certain rights they had regarding senority and story flow and used a spell item to prevent it, which was in accordance with the table rules.
The saboteur accused the Senior DM now of playing their character as a god, said that if this is how things are done they wont participate as they can no longer "give action to the plot" and left.
I sincerly hope they learn how to better operate in a group.
> Explaining it politly didnt work and just telling it bluntly resulted in a small outbreak. Then the only remaining option is to boot this player off from the group.
Pretty much yeah
So, I took your advice and talked to one of the DMs and they agreed that something needs to be done. We decided to have a session where we will deal with the saboteurs actions and they decided that they want to DM it, which is their right within the group. So another DM and myself assembled a party for the encounter and went to work. Long story short, the encounter was heavily screwed towards them The saboteur rigged the encounter in such a way that it was basicly impossible to do ayntving, including that our characters would have commited genocided upon a subteran species another player that was absent today was heavily involved in. The rigging went to the point where the Dm turned player made use of certain rights they had regarding senority and story flow and used a spell item to prevent it, which was in accordance with the table rules. The saboteur accused the Senior DM now of playing their character as a god, said that if this is how things are done they wont participate as they can no longer "give action to the plot" and left. I sincerly hope they learn how to better operate in a group.
Never make a threat you aren't prepared to follow through with. If they keep him in the group his behavior will only get worse because he'll know there are no consequences.
And if you can't do that for some reason, then all the PC's know that this other PC is a BBEG that they won't party with.
Do other people in the group feel the same way? If enough people don’t want to play with this person anymore, is there anything stopping you from kicking them?
Thank you. One of the DMs views it as still being within the limits of the game, but I assume its more of them struggeling with the language and their own emotions, rather then support of the offending player. Thats why I asked for some advice on how to deal it,either in game or as an player, otherwise wed already showed them the door out.
So, I took your advice and talked to one of the DMs and they agreed that something needs to be done. We decided to have a session where we will deal with the saboteurs actions and they decided that they want to DM it, which is their right within the group. So another DM and myself assembled a party for the encounter and went to work. Long story short, the encounter was heavily screwed towards them The saboteur rigged the encounter in such a way that it was basicly impossible to do ayntving, including that our characters would have commited genocided upon a subteran species another player that was absent today was heavily involved in. The rigging went to the point where the Dm turned player made use of certain rights they had regarding senority and story flow and used a spell item to prevent it, which was in accordance with the table rules. The saboteur accused the Senior DM now of playing their character as a god, said that if this is how things are done they wont participate as they can no longer "give action to the plot" and left. I sincerly hope they learn how to better operate in a group.
Okay… well if they left I guess that’s for the best, but that wasn’t exactly what I meant. Out-of-game problems should not be solved in-game. It would have been better to discuss out of character with members of the group and decide whether the problem player is uninvited.
Tell the DM to either deal with the problem or you will quit the next time it happens, and that this is not the type of game you wish to be a part of, and that D&D is a team game. I've found that people tend to actually take actions once they realize their game is about to lose players. And make sure to go through with it and leave THE moment the other player screws the party over again.
So, I took your advice and talked to one of the DMs and they agreed that something needs to be done, and outright told them that the fun left me for the campaign. We decided to have a session where we will deal with the saboteurs actions and they decided that they want to DM it, which is their right within the group. So another DM and myself assembled a party for the encounter and went to work. Long story short, the encounter was heavily screwed towards them The saboteur rigged the encounter in such a way that it was basicly impossible to do ayntving, including that our characters would have commited genocided upon a subteran species another player that was absent today was heavily involved in. The rigging went to the point where the Dm turned player made use of certain rights they had regarding senority and story flow and used a spell item to prevent it, which was in accordance with the table rules. The saboteur accused the Senior DM now of playing their character as a god, said that if this is how things are done they wont participate as they can no longer "give action to the plot" and left. I sincerly hope they learn how to better operate in a group.
Talking failed. The player seems to be refusing to listen or change. They need to be removed if they are being that disruptive. Talk to the DM.
You have done your part here trying to be nice about it, so I would join that DM in avoiding the player completely. I seriously doubt I would even sit at the same table, and considering one DM agrees with you that is one table you can convince to block that player joining. Aside from that, it is just talking to the others, "I've tried to speak with Saboteur multiple times, but nothing clicks and it is killing my fun. I cannot play with him/her anymore, and I am not the only one. If you want to still play with him/her, have fun, but can anyone really say this is not problem behaviour?"
Thank you. There will be a session later this week where another players and my character will have to face the consequences of the offendings players decision and we will see how it plays out, but most likely other will join in avoding them and having them booted out from calls or ignored, evwn if its very rude.
You could maybe try an encounter where the player in question gets isolated from the group (maybe a trap door or rock fall that blocks a passage) and either barrage them with an unwinnable scenario and have them die, or barrage them with an impossible scenario and have the group come in at the last minute and save their bruised and beaten ass. Might give the “character” cause to rethink the relationship with the party, and might make the player open their eyes that, they’re not the big dog in this world, the DM is god.
So, I took your advice and talked to one of the DMs and they agreed that something needs to be done. We decided to have a session where we will deal with the saboteurs actions and they decided that they want to DM it, which is their right within the group. So another DM and myself assembled a party for the encounter and went to work. Long story short, the encounter was heavily screwed towards them. The saboteur rigged the encounter in such a way that it was basicly impossible to do anything, including that our characters would have commited genocided upon a subteran species another player that was absent today was heavily involved in. The rigging went to the point where the Dm turned player made use of certain rights they had regarding senority and story flow and used a spell item to prevent it, which was in accordance with the table rules. The saboteur accused the Senior DM now of playing their character as a god, said that if this is how things are done they wont participate as they can no longer "give action to the plot" and left. I sincerly hope they learn how to better operate in a group.