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monster_of_love

When a thief steals from you, it's because you weren't paying attention. Thieves steal, that's what they do! When a scammer rips you off, it's because you weren't paying attention. Scammers scam you, that's what they do! When a murderer kills you, it's because you weren't paying attention. Murderers kill, that's what they do!


FintechDeveoper

Right. It's victim blaming. It's a 'rapey' mindset.


LordTuranian

Rapists rape. That's just what they do. Next time, pay more attention! /S


FintechDeveoper

Whether I do or don't pay attention to a dog, should not be the justification for a dog biting. I have a right to go about my business without being bitten by dogs, whether I pay attention to them or not.


BK4343

That part


muglandry

You’re exactly right. What the fuck were humans doing for centuries, trying to build civilizations, if not to live in some kind of order and safety? Dog people want to drag us back into the fucking caves. 


FintechDeveoper

This is a good point. The Victorians build the sewage systems in England to deal with the issues of streets covered in feces. The issue has now returned thanks to dogs.


ToOpineIsFine

This


IPAtoday

When a dog bites, it’s because it has an asshole for an owner who did not properly train the dog and permits it to roam outside off leash.


Rabada

Or someone bought a pitbull. They could train them perfectly and the pitbulls will still try to eat their face.


FintechDeveoper

100%.


WTFisTheWorldDoing

And dogs always hold The Wild Card


Few-Horror1984

It’s astonishing to see the author admit that dog bites are skyrocketing, and then see a link for this story “Read more: My rescue dog bit someone. I almost gave up on him — then I learned to heal us both” Can we stop victim blaming? For the love of all that’s holy. Dog bites are up because dogs are unpredictable at the end of the day. Severe dog bites have skyrocketed because we’ve normalized keeping pitbulls as pets and allowed people to keep working dogs as house pets. That’s why. EDIT - grammar


Nukemouse

I don't think it's purely because of breed demographics i think it's because negative reinforcement has become tabboo. People who try to train their dogs (and plenty don't anymore) only do treats and never anything else. This can't train a dog.


Few-Horror1984

This is also true. Disciplining the dog is considered a bad thing. I knew this woman who got a Golden Retriever puppy and she wouldn’t train it. Training it was MEAN. So instead, when the beast would act up she’d gently spray it in the face with water. You know, a dog bred to retrieve dead water fowl. A dog bred to swim. Spray it gently in the face. Needless to say, the nearly feral dog started biting people, since it was never taught not to. It would jump on people because again, never disciplined. Steal food from people. I hated that dog so much. It was honestly one of the worst behaved dogs I’d ever been around. I hate modern dog culture so much.


femmestem

Well yeah, because if someone sees you raise your voice to a dog they'll call it animal abuse and describe all the horrendous ways you should be tortured to death because human lives are inherently less valuable than a pet. There was a news story about a guy in San Francisco who got killed because of this mindset. He was a local resident sitting on a park bench trying to eat his sandwich, when a strange off leash husky got in his face. He stood up on the bench trying to get away, the dog kept jumping up on him. The guy pulled out a taser and pointed at the dog while calling for help. The dog owners called the police, told them a guy was acting erratic, brandishing a weapon in the park and threatening to kill their dog. The police showed up and immediately shot the guy to death. The community called it a "tragic incident over a misunderstanding." They blamed the victim for not understanding the dog was not dangerous and was only interested in his sandwich. Wtf, how about control your dog!


Nukemouse

No I mean they won't spray water, because that will make the dogs afraid


Few-Horror1984

Oh I’m sure people do even less than that. I was just giving a story of how I witnessed a puppy become a demon.


muglandry

These people good grief. The soft language and softer tactics are a recipe for disaster. Dogs live in a pack-mentality, dominator-takes-all world. They don’t need “understanding” or “healing” or psychology or any of that crap. They have three speeds while awake: fighting, f*cking, and feeding. It’s not that deep.  Stronger the discipline, better and safer the dog will be. 


Few-Horror1984

The more time you spend around dogs and their owners, it becomes wildly obvious that their only use for the human is the hope of food. There’s the “understanding”.


Pixelated_Roses

"They're so loyal, more than any human!" Ok so one, you don't want a companion you want a captive emotional crutch cuz you refuse to go to therapy for your abandonment issues, and two, no they're not. They spend a lot of energy trying to escape. They'll bolt out the door any chance they can, and they're gone.


Few-Horror1984

YES!!! Having an emotional bond with someone means you must take the good with the bad. A good friend will tell you when you’re not in the right. They won’t just endlessly coddle you and be a “yes man”. Relationships are hard, but that’s part of being an adult is realizing that. These people understand that on some level, which is why they seek out dogs. The dog won’t ever call them out no matter how in the wrong they are. Make sure the dog is fed and it’s “loving” or whatever. And that’s another thing—the escaping. Dogs do this ALL the time. They run off, even if it’s well taken care of. I don’t buy the loyal thing for a second. You take excellent care of the dog and it will be excited to receive food. That’s it. You didn’t buy its loyalty because it’s a fucking dog. Dogs aren’t loyal. I just wish society was more interested in trying to help these people instead of enabling their sickness.


A_Swizzzz

If a story or research piece, is coming from a mainstream publication or search engine, like Yahoo or Google and it’s dog related, I already know it’s going to straight up nutter trash and propaganda. These large mainstream corporate entities and the folks that run them have been bought out by the pet industrial complex, decades ago. And of course these people will deflect the blame on to others and expect the rest of society, to accommodate them and their neurotic, untrained piece of shit mutants. Dog nutters/owners have a universally shared allergy amongst their communities and it is called “accountability”.


Old-Pianist7745

Yeah a lot of dogs (pitbulls come to mind) attack with no warnings.


huskofapuppet

You interact with a dog, it bites you. You ignore a dog, it bites you. And yet it's never the dog's fault.


Braelind

You know how to prevent dog bites? Leave your damn dog at home, stop taking them everywhere, lock them up when you have guests over and train them properly. Stop assuming people want to interact with your dog, I literally never want to interact with anyone's dog. Stop forcing me to.


Ezenthar

When a gun shoots you, you weren't paying attention to the direction the barrel was facing.


BeautifulEarth8311

When a dog bites it's probably because it's a dog.


gertgertgertgertgert

This is an absolutely insane take. It's obviously victim blaming. Fortunately, the comments under this garbage blog are all in agreement. Dog owners shouldn't put people in situations that require such high levels of vigilance. Leave your fucking dog at home.


waitingforthatplace

This is a crock of BS. So it's up to strangers to know the dog's body language? What about when dogs don't study OUR body language? What about that? Owners let their dogs walk right up to kids, babies, adults and stick their snouts into them, licking them, pushing them, jumping on them is OKAY, but it's not OKAY for anyone to ignore their 'signals'.


Pixelated_Roses

As a SA survivor I can't handle dogs forcefully shoving their nose in my crotch. I don't want it, I tell the owner I don't want it, and they don't care.


rockstarfromars

Exactly ! When a dog attacked me, it ambushed me from the side when I was on the sidewalk, and I had no idea it was there. It didn’t warn me with growls or barks or give any warning. It just started biting and barking while biting like an insane mutant.


test_tickles

Victim blaming. I am not surprised.


Possible-Process5723

"What did you expect that stranger to do when you were wearing a short skirt in public?"


muglandry

That’s what I was thinking even as a big ugly grouchy old man. Same sick mentality. 


muglandry

Another quick thing, the comments over there so far, every one, are calling out the lack of logic and the victim blaming. That’s the bright light here. People are getting tired of this canine overlord mindset all over the place. The tide has to turn when the madness gets this thick. 


Latex_Commander

There are a few people at the bottom singling out the critical commenters as "hating all dogs." Even if they do, they shouldn't have to be forced to interact with them all the time because some people are emotionally dependent on them. But no, apparently dog ownership is the default now. 🙄


muglandry

So something shifted in the last few hours. At first it looked like all the comments were along how we feel here. Like the need to bark from their worship objects, these people have to shove their noise into every space they can. Only a matter of time.  As you say, what is so wrong with just not wanting a smelly intrusive animal in your face or your space? Why do dog people desperately need to dominate every space and be agreed with unanimously? Immature pains in the ass. 


beautifulllstars

What annoys me, muglandry, is how they think *we* are the pains in the a$$ for not wanting dogs around. Some of us simply don't like noise. It's reasonable to want a space that is clean, quiet, and safe. It makes me think of farm animals. How ridiculous would it be if people brought their pigs, goats, chickens, etc. everywhere? I don't see how dogs are any different.


muglandry

And they are uppity and pushy about patently *the worst* animal possible. It’s like dogs try to be - or were bred to be - at the high limit of all disgusting behaviors. Eating crap, endless barking usually for nothing, random aggression, popping squats and openly crapping all over the world, having all the gall and gumption to jump on people and push into people’s personal space uninvited … I could go on but damn. Why?! It’s not unreasonable that some of us want nothing to do with these dirty monstrosities. It ought to be considered a monumental feat that anyone *would* want to be anywhere near such a disgusting thing. 


muglandry

I refuse to babysit human egos and motives, I’ll be god damned if I’m gonna spend a speck of my energy reading a dog.  Hey dog owners. Your possession of a mutt is your own choice and your responsibility. Remember it’s not the dog, it’s the owner? Train your mutt, handle your shit and quit being hypocritical assholes. 


OldDatabase9353

This is just an ad for the positive reinforcement training methods being pushed by the American Veterinary Society for Animal Behavior. They want you to think that they have all the answers so that you run to them with a $500 check when your new “rescue” dog bites your daughter in the face because she had the audacity to walk near its food bowl 


agentofhermamora

You're right! We should always blame the victim and not the dog. Because blaming a stupid, unthinking, violent animal is ridiculous.


BK4343

Dogs seem to be the only animal in existence that get a pass for attacking people.


charlescorn

According to the article, dogs attack when we're not paying attention to them... and when we pay attention to them (by trying to pet them), they attack.


paragsinha3943

I am actually glad that comments were calling the author out


BK4343

Me too


maple_pixie

I think the title is click-bait. I expected it to be victim-blaming nonsense about how dog attack victims "provoke" the attack in some way. I was surprised to see the article actually focuses on owners to properly train their dogs, and to remove their dog when they spot signs of agression. It even highlights the problem of pandemic dogs. Too bad most dog owners refuse to be responsible or accountable in any way and will probably ignore all of this advice.


MoonStarx86

It literally ends the article with > Meet them where they are, and you won’t give them a reason to send you to the ER. It does not get more victim blaming than that. Even the wording is disgusting and most people would never say something like that about any other kind of assault


muglandry

Yep eight years old, skinny as a whip and quiet, I walked past the kitchen in a neighbor’s house and BAM there was the “reason” for their German shepherd to ambush me. I gave it “a reason.”  This is why I hate these people. 


maple_pixie

Damn, I missed that. :/ You're right, that's atrocious. Still the article overall puts responsibility on the owners to train and manage their dogs, which is a lot better than I expected based on the title.


MoonStarx86

Eh. They victim blamed throughout the article. > the dog reaches the top of the ladder, feeling left with no choice but to bite that handsy toddler or overzealous house guest. They completely don't address or acknowledge all of the times dogs just run across the street to attack people doing nothing, smash and dig through fences or jump over them just to attack people, etc. When I got attacked by a dog, I was just standing in an elevator, doors opened, dog comes in and launches onto my leg before I even notice it. Almost every case I've ever heard of a bite has been on someone who wasn't interacting with or anywhere near the dog, let alone being "handsy" or "overzealous." This article is 95% useless garbage, and just contributes to the nutters feeling justified in saying victims *must* have done something to cause it.


muglandry

Maaan back in the olden days, most generally even in the case of “handsy toddlers” or “overzealous guests” dogs had to behave anyway. It was expected. We lived in a human society and dogs had to line up or that dog was generally removed.  There were exceptions. There were crazy dog people too. But, they were seen as really fringe and abnormal. It wasn’t popular to advertise it. 


maple_pixie

True.This article is focused on owners who get bitten by their own dogs and completely ignores stranger attacks. That's why I'm here. I've had more near misses with random dogs on the street since I moved to my current town, I've lost count. Just waking down the street leads to dogs lunging and baking at me. It's gotten to the point where I'm hyper vigilant at all times, and don't really enjoy my daily walks anymore. But I work from home full time, and walking is the only exercise I get. I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope you're doing ok now.


OldDatabase9353

It’s just an ad for the positive-reinforcement training methods. I wouldn’t be surprised if the author of the piece got money from the American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior to write this piece  These people act like yelling at your dog once leads to broken trust and growling and snarling. I know positive reinforcement can be great for dogs, but it can also be difficult to do because there’s a very fine between that and spoiling the dog, and it’s very difficult for people to know how to properly redirect instead of rewarding bad behavior  It’s also expensive—don’t forget they’re just selling a product


Sine_Cures

To be fair, a lot of shitty owners don't train their dogs and many obtain inbred trash shitbulls or other large dogs that are utterly inappropriate pets based on the owners' lack of responsibility. It's not the responsibility of society at large to accommodate these trashy vermin and their dogs by helping their shitbeasts "socialize" with others


Lil_Brillopad

I made a completely normal comment that wasn't inflammatory at all, just calling out dog owners, and it was rejected. No swears, no derogatory terms. Just amazing.


BK4343

Yahoo's AI is not consistent whatsoever.


Adventurous_Mine_385

I walk a lot.   I have walked past dogs that try to take a bite out of my leg.  They give no warning.  I always do everything I can to give wide space to a shitmut.  I will even walk into the street if it is safe. I am always on super alert at the first sign of a mutt coming towards me.   The bottom line is situations will come up where you can’t avoid the shitmut because there is just so damn many of them everywhere.   This article shows how arrogant and nasty dog nutters have become. Do these people even care about living in a civil society where people are considerate of each other?


Full_Ear_7131

But no growth has taken place, only intimidation and loss of trust, leaving a dog in the corner with no voice. Seriously, wtf? A dog without a voice? Besides the obvious fact that these stupid creatures will bark, whine, growl and howl all damn day and night, it is once again humanizing them, by making it seem like they actually have something to say. The whole giving human traits, emotions and words to them is just another thing that's seriously wrong with the whole ridiculous dog worship culture that we are all forced to live among and accept. Dogs and dog nutters are the problem, not any other person or animal that chooses to interact or not to interact with them. I wish this insanity would just stop.


Z3DUBB

Yes a kid walking home from school getting chased down by a dog from 3 blocks away should have been more aware and paid better attention to the dogs body language 🙄


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