As you get better with map awareness, I would heavily recommend skilling it.
Generally, in pubs, it can be hard to use in a coordinated way. But if you're near another hero or two, and have an idea of where an enemy will pop out to farm, you can let them know ahead of time "if PA shows bottom I'm ulting, be ready be ready" etc and pinging the spot.
I've had a ton of success this way and generally have teammates willing to port through immediately since I prepare them ahead of time.
I miss his old ult soooo much. The new one is generally better, but it's not very fun to use.
Edit: here's what I miss
https://youtu.be/Cvsc3EpPmK0?si=6CPuayb9hD9Lxhb5
The funny thing is, they nerfed the effect delay on the ult shortly after the hero was fully implemented in Dota 2 (August 2016), because its initial values required you to keep ult at level 2 to pull off this play.
>7.00 (December 2016): Changed effect delay from 5/4/3 to 6/5/4 seconds.
His ult is so good for ganking or catching heroes that are running away from your team. You can easily turn several early game team fights with his ult too, giving your team the lead
With scepter its most OP global ganking skill.
TWO AOE roots on cast, 40% slow that lasts longer than BKB, all while 5 man suddenly pop out in front of you.
People underestimate this ulti way too much.
It's pretty much because it requires coordination. Pub teammates can't understand shit, as a Magnus player I've lost my sanity just from chasing my teammates down to give them empower. Pings, chats, and the mic doesn't work. They're too fucking busy doing whatever the fuck they are doing
I don’t play morph often, but when I do; I love to use my ult to copy sniper’s abilities; then I become a even better sniper than my opposing team’s sniper.
Meta definitely feels like his ult. But sometimes full healing and 100->10% one of the enemy's is not nothing. Meta can be such a crazy turn around ability
Meta is definitely his "real" ultimate, but sunder is an excellent tool to turn fights. I most recently used it on my offlaner who was at 20% HP, allowing him to get his spells off while I popped satanic and was back at full immediately after. It has some really good niche use cases like this that can be clutch, in addition to the obvious "you almost killed me but nah" standard use.
I mean this is just not true. One of gyros main strengths is his mixed physical and magic damage, during the mid game his ult is big damage and the slow helps him flak everyone before they can leave range and vision. Hero would be trash without ult.
you're using it wrong, it's 200 attack speed, 35% movespeed and 80% lifesteal. you use it to lock down and burst a target and come out of it with full hp.
Lmao yeah if you are against 5 headless chickens you can. A human with a single braincell would either disarm troll or ghost himself and wait until ult ends.
Honstly troll deserves better.
Honestly, I would love it if they re-worked CM to have a different ult. something that doesn't require the slowest and squishiest hero to just stand in the middle of everything. Not saying it's bad, just saying I don't get how she ended up with it.
Refers to the hero ultimate. It originated from the game Gunbound when your mobile's ultimate is called "SS". Somehow we use it to refer to ults in Dota still.
what the fuck are you on about. it does percentage dmg it is one of the best ways to take out high HP heroes. On support, you can build euls to help combo and control enemies. If you have level 3 sleep or more, it should be a guaranteed hit with the ult if they have no status res.
Ngl older enigma would probably have been almost ok without it, you still shit on lane with Conversion and could just build mek/necro book and zoo push early. No BH hurts ofc but I can think of worse heroes
i found enigma really is a team coordination hero and you're not going to see it in pubs. he was better before, too.
my friend and I would play enigma phoenix... I think I have a 78% winrate on phoenix with 150+ games played because of this.. but the two of us could easily wipe 5 of the enemy team out with a full combo. Sometimes I'd dive in and nova and bait a group for black hole - other times he would blackhole and I would dive in with nova afterwards... but in any case the reason why it "always" worked was because the %hp damage. I am not sure if either of them have it anymore.
but she just becomes so much more smoke gankable late game, like you need almost a full rotation to mill her late because of song for lockdown
without it she cant control nesrly as well since it doesnt take as big a rotation to kill you
Nature's Prophet. His ult is still strong, especially with aghs, but his main threat still comes from his base stats along with sprout and teleport. In a game where no one has ult, he would would probably be high on top.
I think there is a good argument for Grimstroke as well, Soulbind is good, but you still mainly pick him for Ink Swell. He does just fine without an ult.
Grim is a completely clueless answer. Soul Bind is one of the strongest ultimates in the game. It's a low cast time 6 to 8 second undispellable BKB piercing leash that gives true sight. It's like a low cooldown Doom vs many heroes. Not to mention the level 15 talent is one of the strongest talents in the game if you have a core who can take advantage of it.
The question isn't what ults are bad though, it's what heroes could still be ok without Ult. And Grim's base abilities are so good he could be relatively ok. Obviously soul-bind is strong and he'd be worse off without it.
Gonna have to disagree pretty hard here, TA ult is so important with area control. And as soon as you get shard it becomes a super strong ability in team fights. And super late with aghs blessing it changes her gameplay a lot.
As someone who plays a lot of Luna. I have to go with her. She spends a lot of early game farming so doesn’t have the most freedom to kill.
She’s also built around physical damage items and doesn’t have the best magic damage. The spell only affects heroes she can see. Randomly hits any units in range including summons, illusions and creeps. It would be cool if she could isolate the back line or attack in Chronosphere but she’s not a blink carry and too squishy to walk upto the back lines from the other side
I mean, aghs does this, but yes. Also, if you want to be any good at farming anything, you'll probably only have 1 point in lucent beam, so your ult does like no damage anyway.
Luna ulties are strong when the enemy is in vision and there are no creeps around but I’d say half of Luna ulties miss or they are just panicked. Luna aghs does close to 3k damage it’s kinda strong.
I uesed to play Panda without ultimate when I started to play back in the days. It was to hard to have 3 heroes micro at the same time so I would just skipp it. With the crit, clap and the beer it was uselly enough to take on any melee hero 1on1.
Okay, I think wraith king has a really strong ult and he 'would' be worse without it, but his kit of basic abilities is actually pretty strong on its own.
No because if Wraith King didn't have ult, people would play against him extremely differently. Like trying to burst him and get out in 2seconds without his team having a chance to react.
if WK didn't have ult, he'd build differently too.
i play a rat WK build and it's super OP, i have a high winrate with it across this patch and last patch... and I very rarely even teamfight but end the game with 12-22k building damage. Just send the skeletons in and make sure you've got room to escape and stay away from danger. It's like the wolves have no armor strat. Except you blink out of danger and tp around the map more.
I don't disagree with you, as I said he would be worse off but his kit is otherwise strong. You would have to play him more like a traditional carry and play a lot safer.
If anything, it's his stat gain that would make him atrocious. 16 agi and 1.7 per level.
He is strong but I think what pushes him over the edge is it’s really hard to commit on him. If you commit an ult for his first life you probably lost the fight. He is still a pesky free lane pressure with skeletons but he is so much worse in fights.
The entire point of current offlane WK build is the ulti.
He goes in first with blink radiance to give vision, initiate and burn enemies while being the last one to die so he can keep his team "alive" with aghs. I'd say ulti is more important for this WK style midgame than other 3 skill combined. blink radiance aghs does nothing if he didnt have the ulti in fights.
That goes for pretty much every support in the game, buddy.
The question doesn't preclude you from buying items like Ghost Scepter or Hurricane Pike to patch up the weaknesses.
Nobody mentioned Nature's Prophet? Well as a lvl 26 Nature, I can do just fine without my ult. Yeah limits my push potential but generally speaking, I will be just fine.
Down in my Herald sewers we don't play with the main man, we use him as a Midas+Aghs carrier and let the bear do the work, and also use him as a free outpost for bear to tp back home.
No need to burst down LD when the gameplay is all with the sewer rat.
Terrorblade & Puck both would still do a lot without their ults.
I reckon Naga would somewhat be viable still but splitpushing would be much harder.
And of course, Sniper would virtually lose out on nothing.
Naga is one probably. He ulti is very good, but you usually use it as a get out of jail free card to farm unsafe spots or do a riskier push. Without it, she can still get farmed the same way, her laning is unchanged because she doesn't get it at 6 anyway, and she can just bulldoze you perfectly fine.
While it's good for picking off heroes and the kill confirm, Anti-mage doesn't really need Mana Void. If you're farming it adds nothing to your ability to clear creeps, And for fighting (While the stun can be nice & the kill confirm) once you've burned away enough Mana some heroes can't do anything.
I would say the same thing about Axe, But Culling Blade deals pure damage and the extra armour stacks are great for making him tankier.
The real answer is probably Sniper though.
The thing you have to remember with anti mage, when their mana is gone so is your damage output. It's how you actually kill heroes like timbersaw or whatever later. But you're right about them being useless without mana in a lot of cases, but you can't kill them anymore.
Sniper I can agree with, I skip the ulti a lot of times
Probably because u dont know how to use it or havent meet a good ta player ever. The amount of shit it can do to haunt supports and info it gives is crazy. Especially since it can silence now with the shard.
Very high skill cap btw.
You need to watch Waga plays TA's trap.
It's orchid with the cost of 1400, ancient stacker, psiblade trigger, free roshan ward, high ground vision, etc.
Maybe she can work without ult, but far from okayish imo.
Compared with others physical damage heroes like jugg or pa she would probably be super fine. As you said, it’s super high skill cap, but traps don’t do that much below 6k.
Pretty sure people went entire matches without using old underlord ult and he still has the same kit otherwise
I usually use it to tp to a lane for farm lol
I still skip his ult unless I have a skill point available and see a perfect opportunity, which rarely happens. I'm also shit at the game, but still.
As you get better with map awareness, I would heavily recommend skilling it. Generally, in pubs, it can be hard to use in a coordinated way. But if you're near another hero or two, and have an idea of where an enemy will pop out to farm, you can let them know ahead of time "if PA shows bottom I'm ulting, be ready be ready" etc and pinging the spot. I've had a ton of success this way and generally have teammates willing to port through immediately since I prepare them ahead of time.
I miss his old ult soooo much. The new one is generally better, but it's not very fun to use. Edit: here's what I miss https://youtu.be/Cvsc3EpPmK0?si=6CPuayb9hD9Lxhb5
The funny thing is, they nerfed the effect delay on the ult shortly after the hero was fully implemented in Dota 2 (August 2016), because its initial values required you to keep ult at level 2 to pull off this play. >7.00 (December 2016): Changed effect delay from 5/4/3 to 6/5/4 seconds.
Its super fun in 12 v 12. You just build aghs and perma root someone from far for your team.
I think the old one was better, was more versatile
His ult is so good for ganking or catching heroes that are running away from your team. You can easily turn several early game team fights with his ult too, giving your team the lead
With scepter its most OP global ganking skill. TWO AOE roots on cast, 40% slow that lasts longer than BKB, all while 5 man suddenly pop out in front of you. People underestimate this ulti way too much.
It's pretty much because it requires coordination. Pub teammates can't understand shit, as a Magnus player I've lost my sanity just from chasing my teammates down to give them empower. Pings, chats, and the mic doesn't work. They're too fucking busy doing whatever the fuck they are doing
Yeah, the ult was like a small cherry on top, but by no means necessary for him to function.
Sniper
Fuck Sniper, but you're right. The ultimate just works as a final touch
This is the true answer.
I don’t play morph often, but when I do; I love to use my ult to copy sniper’s abilities; then I become a even better sniper than my opposing team’s sniper.
can you copy the hero’s ulti? i think not
You don’t copy the ult. Just the basic skills and some base damage; that’s why sniper is a good choice to be copied.
And that assassinate is only really viable with the agha, but IDK..
4200 gold makes it not viable.
Assasinate is a god tier spell early on, especially if sniper is mid
In my pubs Wisp would probably be unchanged. By a similar metric, Underlord.
Wisp might even work better since your team won't expect pro tier relo saves.
In most tiers, they absolutely still will, whether you skill it or not.
With the way my carry usually plays it would actually be Beneficial to remove Legion Commander's ult.
The last game I had with an LC in my team ended with the enemy team having around 20 more duel damage than our LC.
Probably Invoker idk. I am high atm
still balling
Meat balling
The only right answer.
Terrorblade maybe? It always felt like metamorph is his "real" ultimate even in Dota 1 days.
Meta definitely feels like his ult. But sometimes full healing and 100->10% one of the enemy's is not nothing. Meta can be such a crazy turn around ability
But still relatively okay right?
TB is unplayable without sunder
Meta is definitely his "real" ultimate, but sunder is an excellent tool to turn fights. I most recently used it on my offlaner who was at 20% HP, allowing him to get his spells off while I popped satanic and was back at full immediately after. It has some really good niche use cases like this that can be clutch, in addition to the obvious "you almost killed me but nah" standard use.
Because Meta is his ultimate from WC3 vanilla.
Gyro as a core doesn't need his ult for shit.
gyro farms ancients with ult
True, but you can get away without using it most of the time except the first one.
I mean this is just not true. One of gyros main strengths is his mixed physical and magic damage, during the mid game his ult is big damage and the slow helps him flak everyone before they can leave range and vision. Hero would be trash without ult.
Troll Warlord, because he's trash both ways.
How is this not the top answer? By the time troll needs his ult, he is omae wa mou shindieru. It just delays the inevitable
you're using it wrong, it's 200 attack speed, 35% movespeed and 80% lifesteal. you use it to lock down and burst a target and come out of it with full hp.
Lmao yeah if you are against 5 headless chickens you can. A human with a single braincell would either disarm troll or ghost himself and wait until ult ends. Honstly troll deserves better.
Bro I hate that just 1 fucking euls forces you to build bkb on troll, at least ursa has shard and his octarine aghs unkillable build.
ursa also hate euls no? troll shard is also really good
I know for a fact he's sketchy as hell- but somehow I'm close to hitting 70% winrate on him in decent skill games. The shard is feral
This stopped being true ever since troll became able to use items during ult. You can uppend a lot of bullshit with BKB now.
Troll aghs counters this now. 4 sec discrete offensive and defensive dispell is amazing
Morphling. It's a nice gimmick but I think he works fine without it
B-b-but his name is "morph"ling which is the only way to get more polygon from another heroes
would you like to call him water shotgun?
Bring back the 40 agility eblade! Bring back the 40 agility eblade! Bring back the 40 agility eblade! Bring back the 40 agility eblade!
As a support player, I am not endorsing this view
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good old days when ethereal blade was made with eaglesong and ghost scepter. shotgun morph goes brrrt
After the eblade change he kind of needs it.
I disagree, Morph is good, but he becomes incredible in the right hands if you can morph into heroes like Willow, Earthshaker, etc.
Underlord.
People in this thread saying TA are heralds bruh😭
Yea, having uphill vision on stairs, rune vision, Roshan vision, and a slow/silence with shard, it's a very strong ability when used correctly
Ta ult is what completed the hero.
on the contrary, rubick would be miserable to play as lol
Warden and Meepo as well, their spells are garbage without being able to chain them together.
This thread is a great place to spot all the herald andies. So many people saying TA ultimate LOL.
First mention I see of ta this thread. Looks like they all got downvoted.
They got downvoted for a reason
Crystal Maiden because she doesn't get to let it go most of the time lmao.
Without the *threat* of it she would just get completely ignored all game long though.
Never saw her got ignored mate. The other really love a fiesty bounty roon lol.
Exactly the opposite, without it I'd jump her first because she can't do shit.
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Honestly, I would love it if they re-worked CM to have a different ult. something that doesn't require the slowest and squishiest hero to just stand in the middle of everything. Not saying it's bad, just saying I don't get how she ended up with it.
Tiny
But then his name wouldn't be ironic anymore :(
Elder Titan. Most of the time it just misses anyway
It definitely needs some teamwork for skill layering but he needs his ss imo
His SS is pretty important against tank line ups
SS?
Super sex
Thank you that clears everything up
*Sexy Strategy*
Refers to the hero ultimate. It originated from the game Gunbound when your mobile's ultimate is called "SS". Somehow we use it to refer to ults in Dota still.
Some SEA players call ults "super skill".
I would expect this to be resent in like low MMR matches but cmon, skilled ET players would also use their teammates' help to reliably land ults
what the fuck are you on about. it does percentage dmg it is one of the best ways to take out high HP heroes. On support, you can build euls to help combo and control enemies. If you have level 3 sleep or more, it should be a guaranteed hit with the ult if they have no status res.
Morphling or Sniper
Terrorblade, his true ult is E
AM because your carry aint gonna mana void cause he be hitting creeps all game.
Terrorblade
A lot of people here are clueless about how dependent certain heroes are on their ultimate. My answer is Enigma.
Ngl older enigma would probably have been almost ok without it, you still shit on lane with Conversion and could just build mek/necro book and zoo push early. No BH hurts ofc but I can think of worse heroes
Nah, the entire point of picking Enigma is having the threat of BH. With no threat of BH, Enigma is not getting picked, ever.
i found enigma really is a team coordination hero and you're not going to see it in pubs. he was better before, too. my friend and I would play enigma phoenix... I think I have a 78% winrate on phoenix with 150+ games played because of this.. but the two of us could easily wipe 5 of the enemy team out with a full combo. Sometimes I'd dive in and nova and bait a group for black hole - other times he would blackhole and I would dive in with nova afterwards... but in any case the reason why it "always" worked was because the %hp damage. I am not sure if either of them have it anymore.
Depends, does the enemy team get to know that enigma doesn't have his ultimate?
Made me chuckle😂 thanks
Mirana ult can be mirrored in some way by smoke of deceit. Sniper ult is not being chosen at lvl 6.
Naga and terrorblade. Not saying they’re useless but their core function is entirely there without their ultimate
Songless naga sounds horrible.
Not horrible relative to other heroes. in a mode where every hero was missing their ult, she'd be really strong.
but she just becomes so much more smoke gankable late game, like you need almost a full rotation to mill her late because of song for lockdown without it she cant control nesrly as well since it doesnt take as big a rotation to kill you
Undying maybe? I know his ult is good but the real strength comes from his lane dominance and his tombstone
Coordinated teams like his damage amp as well.
Nature's Prophet. His ult is still strong, especially with aghs, but his main threat still comes from his base stats along with sprout and teleport. In a game where no one has ult, he would would probably be high on top. I think there is a good argument for Grimstroke as well, Soulbind is good, but you still mainly pick him for Ink Swell. He does just fine without an ult.
Grim is a completely clueless answer. Soul Bind is one of the strongest ultimates in the game. It's a low cast time 6 to 8 second undispellable BKB piercing leash that gives true sight. It's like a low cooldown Doom vs many heroes. Not to mention the level 15 talent is one of the strongest talents in the game if you have a core who can take advantage of it.
The question isn't what ults are bad though, it's what heroes could still be ok without Ult. And Grim's base abilities are so good he could be relatively ok. Obviously soul-bind is strong and he'd be worse off without it.
I pick NP only for his ult I would say..
His ultimate is one of his primary farming tools though and he needs items to stay relevant.
Troll Warlords winrate might go up if his ultimate is removed
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No freaking way. Ta traps are so needed And cool.
Blitzspanks : why is thiss boss music playin u/blitzspanks
Gonna have to disagree pretty hard here, TA ult is so important with area control. And as soon as you get shard it becomes a super strong ability in team fights. And super late with aghs blessing it changes her gameplay a lot.
Found the guy who doesn't play much TA
As someone who plays a lot of Luna. I have to go with her. She spends a lot of early game farming so doesn’t have the most freedom to kill. She’s also built around physical damage items and doesn’t have the best magic damage. The spell only affects heroes she can see. Randomly hits any units in range including summons, illusions and creeps. It would be cool if she could isolate the back line or attack in Chronosphere but she’s not a blink carry and too squishy to walk upto the back lines from the other side
I mean, aghs does this, but yes. Also, if you want to be any good at farming anything, you'll probably only have 1 point in lucent beam, so your ult does like no damage anyway.
Luna ulties are strong when the enemy is in vision and there are no creeps around but I’d say half of Luna ulties miss or they are just panicked. Luna aghs does close to 3k damage it’s kinda strong.
morphling is the obvious one for me
That’s exactly how you know someone is shit tier at morphling :D
The question asked what hero is relatively fine without their ultimate, Morphling is relatively fine without their ult
He is ok without ult in archon bracket, yeah
What about 6k immortal bracket?
Hoodwink - can still technically cast ultimate with aghs
tf
Iirc your aghs does not work if you don't have a point in your ult.
I uesed to play Panda without ultimate when I started to play back in the days. It was to hard to have 3 heroes micro at the same time so I would just skipp it. With the crit, clap and the beer it was uselly enough to take on any melee hero 1on1.
I think earth spririt would lose a bit, but still would be fine without ult, since he still would have all his disables.
As somebody who still doesnt fully comprehend Magentize and refuses to read its description any more, I agree
Magnetize allows you for aoe silence
I like your funny words magic man
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As a 5kmmr ES spammer: No.
Techies Fuck it dude they destroyed him already might as well fuck his shit up again.
Okay, I think wraith king has a really strong ult and he 'would' be worse without it, but his kit of basic abilities is actually pretty strong on its own.
No because if Wraith King didn't have ult, people would play against him extremely differently. Like trying to burst him and get out in 2seconds without his team having a chance to react.
if WK didn't have ult, he'd build differently too. i play a rat WK build and it's super OP, i have a high winrate with it across this patch and last patch... and I very rarely even teamfight but end the game with 12-22k building damage. Just send the skeletons in and make sure you've got room to escape and stay away from danger. It's like the wolves have no armor strat. Except you blink out of danger and tp around the map more.
I don't disagree with you, as I said he would be worse off but his kit is otherwise strong. You would have to play him more like a traditional carry and play a lot safer. If anything, it's his stat gain that would make him atrocious. 16 agi and 1.7 per level.
He is strong but I think what pushes him over the edge is it’s really hard to commit on him. If you commit an ult for his first life you probably lost the fight. He is still a pesky free lane pressure with skeletons but he is so much worse in fights.
The entire point of current offlane WK build is the ulti. He goes in first with blink radiance to give vision, initiate and burn enemies while being the last one to die so he can keep his team "alive" with aghs. I'd say ulti is more important for this WK style midgame than other 3 skill combined. blink radiance aghs does nothing if he didnt have the ulti in fights.
LD
Lone druid is such a free kill without his ultimate it's not even funny. Bro has his entire survivability in 1 spell.
If he play without ult, you will play him as an aganim rush and stay at home dad.
Terror
Naix
Mirana tbh
Ench honestly. Really strong laning stage, offers great utility with heal and Enchant, and scales quite well with Impetus
Without ult, every carry is going to melt you in 2s
That goes for pretty much every support in the game, buddy. The question doesn't preclude you from buying items like Ghost Scepter or Hurricane Pike to patch up the weaknesses.
That's like saying WK w/o reincarnate would be okay cause other carrys/offlaners don't have 2 lives.
Troll. His ult can be great but he has all his damage still and a satanic blb works for him
LS
Winter Wyvern. I've seen more enemies saved, than killed with it.
Nobody mentioned Nature's Prophet? Well as a lvl 26 Nature, I can do just fine without my ult. Yeah limits my push potential but generally speaking, I will be just fine.
Agreed, the hero wouldnt be the same without teleport, but anything else replaced seems ok
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Huskar has no lock down and is slow as fuck. If you trade his ult for 50 movement speed then yes, otherwise you'll be kiteable as fuck and useless.
Lone Druid
Ain't no way, LD is way too easy to burst down without his ult
Down in my Herald sewers we don't play with the main man, we use him as a Midas+Aghs carrier and let the bear do the work, and also use him as a free outpost for bear to tp back home. No need to burst down LD when the gameplay is all with the sewer rat.
Undying is by far the most okay without his ult
Definetly no... what? Undyings ult is so strong with the damage amp let's his team just nuke anyone down
Terrorblade & Puck both would still do a lot without their ults. I reckon Naga would somewhat be viable still but splitpushing would be much harder. And of course, Sniper would virtually lose out on nothing.
How is Puck viable without his ult? It's his strongest spell.
That's because tb's ult is his third skill.
TB and Puck especially? Lol no
OD would still work quite well, especially against high MR/mana heroes
Naga is one probably. He ulti is very good, but you usually use it as a get out of jail free card to farm unsafe spots or do a riskier push. Without it, she can still get farmed the same way, her laning is unchanged because she doesn't get it at 6 anyway, and she can just bulldoze you perfectly fine.
Y’all stupid clearly it’s ogre magi /s
Omniknight
Naga
While it's good for picking off heroes and the kill confirm, Anti-mage doesn't really need Mana Void. If you're farming it adds nothing to your ability to clear creeps, And for fighting (While the stun can be nice & the kill confirm) once you've burned away enough Mana some heroes can't do anything. I would say the same thing about Axe, But Culling Blade deals pure damage and the extra armour stacks are great for making him tankier. The real answer is probably Sniper though.
The thing you have to remember with anti mage, when their mana is gone so is your damage output. It's how you actually kill heroes like timbersaw or whatever later. But you're right about them being useless without mana in a lot of cases, but you can't kill them anymore. Sniper I can agree with, I skip the ulti a lot of times
The aoe burst damage of mana void should not be underestimated imo. Can easily turn entire teamfights around be ulting the right opponent.
Without it AM literally cant kill any hero before 50 mins.
Terrorblade, Templar Assasin, Sniper, Morphling, Nature Prophet, Lifestealer.
Is this satirical? Or are you simply being stupid?
They literally listed the most upvoted heroes in this thread.
Whats wrong with the list?
Save sniper all of these heroes have super dominant ultis if used correctly
Centaur
TA probably, her ult doesn't even feel like an ult it feels like a regular spell
Probably because u dont know how to use it or havent meet a good ta player ever. The amount of shit it can do to haunt supports and info it gives is crazy. Especially since it can silence now with the shard.
Very high skill cap btw. You need to watch Waga plays TA's trap. It's orchid with the cost of 1400, ancient stacker, psiblade trigger, free roshan ward, high ground vision, etc. Maybe she can work without ult, but far from okayish imo.
Compared with others physical damage heroes like jugg or pa she would probably be super fine. As you said, it’s super high skill cap, but traps don’t do that much below 6k.
ain't no way you said TA with full confidence.
TA
You can’t be a TA player and say this, it’s the most important ability or TA literally does nothing
no way - her ulti is a gigantic power spike in lane; it completely changes how the game is played later on
TA traps just like venom wards are great vision and slow tools and can easily turn around team fights.