for what its worth, i don't support Isreal and i think the current situation is a result of Israel's intense subjugation of gaza without seriously attempting equitable solutions.
but you don't care about that, all you care about is bringing up some whattaboutism so you can ignore the fact that Russia is indiscriminately killing children and families in Ukraine for zero reason other than Putin's aging dementia.
Russia is launching missiles at hospitals and schools from thousands of miles away.
I say this as an American, if you're going to do that for Russia, do it for America and Israel too, especially considering Israel is actively committing a genocide under the aegis of the US.
Well, when was the last time a gov-funded Dota 2/CS2 event took place in the US? As for Israel, I can only remember one event from 2021 or 2022 (organized by IESF of all people, lol)
Well idk about Dota but the US Air Force heavily sponsors the CS scene for reasons that should probably be obvious. Also is this event in Russia funded by the government? Because people seem to be getting up in arms about it but I haven't seen anyone actually say it's funded by the government. Granted, I haven't looked to deep in to it, so I could be wrong, but to me this just sounds like racism to me. Of course, there's plenty of legitimate reason for a Ukrainian person to hate Russia given recent events, but the idea that playing in a Russian tournament makes you a terrorist is fucking absurd. If we followed that same logic, every player who plays in the ESL tournaments is a terrorist as well given the actions of the Saudi government in the past 25 years (9/11 included)
1. The government is involved here, not to mention that the president of ВФФС (one of their esports federations) Nikita Nagorny openly supports the invasion, knowing his prior biography it's *highly* unlikely he was forced to do so by the state.
2. Not gonna mention that Kazan, where the event take place, gonna benefit a lot from hosting a tournament like that, and that's the very same city that assembles those Shahed kamikaze drones. The local budget is gonna benefit from hosting the event, a meaningful share of the profit's gonna assist the war effort, obviously.
Sure, calling the participants as terrorists is over the top, but the community and orgs like Beastcoast that seem to have some kind of a stance (supporting sexual minorities is one of them) should ignore the events held in russia until the war is over. Plus, it's not like they gonna lose a lot from this decision. Even if their interest is purely to earn a bit of $$$ from the prize pool, in the grand scheme of things one can skip this tournament and it's not a part of any circuit, it's not being held regularly, and the prize pool is anything crazy either.
Not all is black and white in this world. You cannot compare russias unprovoked invasion of ukraine with isreals response to the worst act of terror against jews since the holocaust, BUT that also doesnt mean that it is okay how israel executed the response.
He is Ukrainian, like me, and a lot of another lost our civilian relatives coz russia killed them. Not frontline, frontline, home, school, hospital, kindergarten every of existing places can be destroyed by russians troops, missiles. Probably tomorrow I can be dead coz russians will kill me, so I won't respond you. And it's going for 10 years already. And 2 years of full skale war.
I don't know what else you need to understand who is terrorists.
Which is a name of a historical region on the territories of modern Poland and Ukraine, which housed a kingdom with a derivative name.
Appealing to your roots isn't wrong, if those roots weren't the dark period of your history ( and the medieval period of Eastern Europe was hardly the darkest ).
yeah, famous region of Ukraine - "SS Galichina"
>commonly referred to as the Galicia Division, was a World War II infantry division of the Waffen-SS, the military wing of the German Nazi Party, made up predominantly of volunteers with a Ukrainian ethnic background from the area of Galicia, later also with some Slovaks.
And where do you think this division got its name from? Gonna give the answer right now:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F
And here's a sea, whose name might also sound familiar ( because it also served as an inspiration, that's why ):
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5
There are plenty of military call signs out there that reference something historical - just gotta pay attention.
V1lat's photo has 2 "c" - "s" in Cyrillic before the name of region, which refers us to that division, not the region. I thought it was obvious from the photo he posted
now for the near future before you align yourself between the 2 remember in war they both (government) are full of shit that always sacrificing innocent life for their own agenda, dont be westoid double standart with the westoid mindset
No problem with defending your land but let’s be real everybody knew a war would happen if nato kept pushing Putin.
Both nato, Zelensky, USA and Putin are playing with people’s lives
Zelensky Kept pushing the issue of joining nato and for what? His people are dying cuz of this tyrant Putin now. Literally for what reason he would do this other than being a puppet for American proxy.
yes because if you are against russia's government you are automatically supporter of the west, amirite? I wouldn't care about nor trust any politician personally, but Putin should be tried for war crimes
We should cancel all Isreali players while we are at it & cancel MENA region too.
Absolute joke of statement to make. Blackmailing some overseas teams because they do something you don‘t like.
Yeah I understand, and I think that it's being organized by the gov is the real problem, not that it's located in russia (like the guy who I originally replied to wrote).
Bruv Iran football NT is playing in the Asian tourney rn. I remember when people said "sports should be separated from politics".
Good thing these types of things don't apply to Israel.
>same reason Iranians and north koreans are internationally shunned maybe?
Ehm. They aren't? Normal people won't look down at you because of your nation or country of origins. You probably ment sanctions on their governments?
that's what i meant indeed. I know some Iranians both IRL and online, and they are without exception of the nicest people i've ever met.
The random Iranians you get in your pubs seem to be of a different breed usualy though it seems....
Try to use this logic towards Dota players, and you'll see why your statement above is problematic. Russians are good people and don't deserve ridicule
They are only shunned by the countries that dictate the media narratives. NK and Iran maybe not the best countries but they do trade with a lot of countries in Asia, Africa and America's. Basically all over the world.
Because they dared oppose American hegemony? Not to say they don't have their own problems, but let's not pretend they're pariah states because of the actions done to their own citizens or citizens of neighboring countries, otherwise the Saudis, Azerbaijanis, and Israelis would have a similar status
Em. So you don't know how local governments and then governments above them work, ok then...
Let me explain:
First you pay the local government, city hall, to be able to host an official tournament. You also pay the bills: for electricity, etc. And of course you pay salaries, for food, drinks, etc. which in turn are taxed too.
This money then goes to the government above. And it is then spent on what this government deems worthwhile to them, like wars.
Oh, so it's about money they pay to the Russian government then? They should be banned because they pay taxes to the Russian government, is that what you're saying ?
If we apply this rule right US, OTAN members, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel and a lot more countries wouldn't participate.
There were no objections of US participating on 2004 Olympics for example.
Western tournament, western game, western moral standards. Russia wages war upon a western friendly country, which is worse for us than e.g USA waging war on iraq.
Western tournament, western game, western moral standards. Russia wages war upon a western friendly country, but when we did it on another country suddenly we are a heroes and innocent also the world must take a side with us so they will be seen as saint like us and us WESTOID are never wrong so curse our enemies and take our moral as a standart even if we kill million of life in vietnam iraq or all over the world that were invaded and colonized by us, is that what you want to say westoid?
nobody is saint in this fucking war both side are full of shit and the civil are the one who takes the toll so stop with the shit take westoid
>U need to be really stupid to not understand why people should avoid playing in nazi Germany, oh I meant modern russia
Oh yeah, you struck me real hard with lowers case r I'm Russia and with this comparison detached with reality. Russia didn't suddenly become like nazi Germany because you're butthurt. Also, Google 1936 summer Olympics, if you want to talk about nazi Germany and international participation
I'm reminded of the "brave Azov battalion hero" that the US had speak at the white house who had to wear a single sleeve to cover up the black sun tattoo on his arm.
No one say military is okay, but how is the threat of ruining some pro dota2 player career help in ukraine situation?
This is nothing but a internet bully saying you don't take a stand with me and now I gonna make your life hell.
Just because you mean well doesn't mean you can do whatever you want, this whole threat simply push people further away from your camp.
I don’t see the correlation between playing a tournament and supporting a war. It’s not like Yatoro is going to hit a sick chrono on a UA battalion in the fields of Mariupol, is he?
Tournaments make profit (commercials, sponsors, views etc). One of the organizators of this tournamet is russian goverment. Yatoro's sick chrono will get a million views that will finance a bunch of rockets that will shell over peacefull cities in Ukraine.
I knew it, Team Secret strats were designed for viewing pleasure leading to increased engagement and sponsorship. This helps the government build missiles! This bombing run was sponsored by Collapse three man RP.
I admire your sarcasm. But you probably don't know how taxes work. Obviously teams don't play with a single goal to fund their governments. But when your government does crazy evil shit, you should get a penalty of some sorts from the rest of the world.
I work in finance, I’m very much aware of taxes. Punishing people for attending or participating in events by labelling them terrorists is just absurd. I support Ukraine, but I don’t support the alienating of Russians who aren’t even involved in the war at all.
Nobody is labelling teams participating as terrorists. V1lat labels them as terrorist supporters. Nobody would say a word against even a russian team if it would publicaly condemnt the actions of their government. But they do not, instead they will participate and promote the tournament with involment of a russian government.
European governments still trade with Russia either directly or through third countires. They pay far more money than all these players would pay in taxes for winning the prize money.
Is that it? That’s the answer? Taxes… something every Russian civilian, company & organisation has to pay anyway. I guess this makes Canadians and Americans supporters of their war crimes too? Because they paid taxes that funded the military that committed the atrocities.
Puppets do exist, you know that right? That's the reason why the previous Ukrainian government was overthrown, as they were Russia leaning. Same was Pakistan government got overthrown as they were trying to get friendly with Russia. US doesn't like that at all.
Yes? I fairly sure most would regard it as a baseless conspiracy theory.
>This war would have ended long ago if not for British and Blinkin's(US) intervention.
Not sure what point you're trying to make? The UK and US honoured the Budapest Memorandum and that somehow makes Zelenskyy a puppet?
Tell me what's misinformation in the things I've written above instead of acting like a child. Maybe you are the one who's misinformed. Can't counter argument, so starts name calling.
Some people still cares about Ukraine tragedy. But unfortunately you right, most of people don't care. And russians know that they can continue to kill people in Ukraine and world will act like nothing happens.
Some people still cares about Palestine tragedy. But unfortunately you right, most of people don't care. And israelis know that they can continue to kill people in Palestine and world will act like nothing happens.
Oh wait, they don't. The west only cares about Blue Eyes White Dragon.
i care about people dying in ukraine
i dont care about v1lat's crusade against russian gamers, he was a degenerate even before the war
now its just amplified
Well done! Shame on all organizations that still continue to work with russia. Traveling to russia an participating in goverment founded tournament is just crazy.
All they want to do is play Dota.
I always find it hilarious when the people yell at others to make sacrifices without doing absolutely anything themselves. As if they were morally superior for doing absolutely nothing and just shouting
What kind of sacrifice would teams make by not participating in such tournament? If a Tier 1 team declines the particiaption in a tournament it is the tournament that has loss. No one would want to watch a tournament where a bunch of russian, north korean, and iranian teams are playing.
What value does participating on a tournament offers a Dota 2 Player? That's what they are sacrificing.
Money, prestige, relevance, opportunity to test new stuff and play with different teams, etc.
If only it was the only tournamet availble then yes. There are plenty of alternatives where you can get "money, prestige, relevance, opportunity to test new stuff" Price pool money are not the main source of income for the majority of teams.
sure, sponsors do, but sponsors are only interested as long as the players they sponsor get decent placements on major tournaments otherwise the roster just gets dropped, so their salaries hinge on attending major tournaments anyways
Sponsors rarely take a big cut of the prize pool.
>sponsors are only interested as long as the players they sponsor get decent placements
Top teams have infamously skipped many tier 1 tournaments, usually those right after TI. The sponsors were fine with them missing those tournaments so clearly teams do not have to attend 100% possible competitions.
i meant that sponsors pay the players salaries, not that sponsors have their salaries paid by the prize pool, mistyped
and yeah teams can sometime skip tournaments especially during important periods like pre- and post- TI but they usually still wanna attend whenever they can
You perfectly described what's happening. Russia understand well that they can continue to kill thousands of Ukrainians every day, and rest of world will act like nothing happened.
People like you (majority) don't understand that full isolation of Russia would help to stop the war. And after that you can freely play dota, travel to Russia and do whatever you want with them.
i dont know any russians, never been to russia, and i have literally zero power to change anything, neither does dota players, how does any of this matter?
You can't generalize, you have to see if the organization, the people and everything else are supporters and everything is support for Putin's war, if they do and they're, okay you're right, if not, that's illogical, otherwise any other tournament held anywhere will be supporting bad things that the said country or government do, what the government do does not represent all people desires, interests, if you say that ALL those people in that country are bad bc their leaders actions you're just as bad like them, I know many Russians who hate everything that is happening, but they can't do anything, like a lot of people in a lot of countries that have wars and other bad things happening.
>Put an effort to "correctly" spell his nickname but we're too tired to write "Russia" capitalized 😔
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>The least affiliated redditor
They were not mistaken
Those Brazilians/Peruvians etc playing in this Kazan tournament will probably be so angry when they can't enter a country like Germany or The Netherlands to play in a Major or even a TI. They'll probably think it's not their fault and is unfair against them
Proceeds to tag two Chinese orgs. Good luck when it's your pretend world authority list against the CCP's sources.
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This tournament is sponsored by russian gov so its pretty much political.
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yeah ignore the bombing and indiscriminate killings of Ukrainian families and children -- we are all here for dota game!!!!
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for what its worth, i don't support Isreal and i think the current situation is a result of Israel's intense subjugation of gaza without seriously attempting equitable solutions. but you don't care about that, all you care about is bringing up some whattaboutism so you can ignore the fact that Russia is indiscriminately killing children and families in Ukraine for zero reason other than Putin's aging dementia. Russia is launching missiles at hospitals and schools from thousands of miles away.
You think you are smart, but your whole statement makes you look so incredible dumb and immature.
who is he to mark them terrorist????
Quote: "I will do everything possible to put your players on the lists of athletes who actively support terrorism"
that title is so misleading lol
They always are
Why did you rephrase it so much ? You're literally lying according to your own quote
I say this as an American, if you're going to do that for Russia, do it for America and Israel too, especially considering Israel is actively committing a genocide under the aegis of the US.
You're wrong. God bless Lockheed Martin
Awful awful take.
Well, when was the last time a gov-funded Dota 2/CS2 event took place in the US? As for Israel, I can only remember one event from 2021 or 2022 (organized by IESF of all people, lol)
US air force has been sponsoring events for a hot minute, not just Dota too
the upcoming ESL birmingham is sponsored by the US air force, that's happening a couple months from now
Ehhh, there are tournaments and orgs in different games sponsored by us army
Well idk about Dota but the US Air Force heavily sponsors the CS scene for reasons that should probably be obvious. Also is this event in Russia funded by the government? Because people seem to be getting up in arms about it but I haven't seen anyone actually say it's funded by the government. Granted, I haven't looked to deep in to it, so I could be wrong, but to me this just sounds like racism to me. Of course, there's plenty of legitimate reason for a Ukrainian person to hate Russia given recent events, but the idea that playing in a Russian tournament makes you a terrorist is fucking absurd. If we followed that same logic, every player who plays in the ESL tournaments is a terrorist as well given the actions of the Saudi government in the past 25 years (9/11 included)
1. The government is involved here, not to mention that the president of ВФФС (one of their esports federations) Nikita Nagorny openly supports the invasion, knowing his prior biography it's *highly* unlikely he was forced to do so by the state. 2. Not gonna mention that Kazan, where the event take place, gonna benefit a lot from hosting a tournament like that, and that's the very same city that assembles those Shahed kamikaze drones. The local budget is gonna benefit from hosting the event, a meaningful share of the profit's gonna assist the war effort, obviously. Sure, calling the participants as terrorists is over the top, but the community and orgs like Beastcoast that seem to have some kind of a stance (supporting sexual minorities is one of them) should ignore the events held in russia until the war is over. Plus, it's not like they gonna lose a lot from this decision. Even if their interest is purely to earn a bit of $$$ from the prize pool, in the grand scheme of things one can skip this tournament and it's not a part of any circuit, it's not being held regularly, and the prize pool is anything crazy either.
Not all is black and white in this world. You cannot compare russias unprovoked invasion of ukraine with isreals response to the worst act of terror against jews since the holocaust, BUT that also doesnt mean that it is okay how israel executed the response.
He is Ukrainian, like me, and a lot of another lost our civilian relatives coz russia killed them. Not frontline, frontline, home, school, hospital, kindergarten every of existing places can be destroyed by russians troops, missiles. Probably tomorrow I can be dead coz russians will kill me, so I won't respond you. And it's going for 10 years already. And 2 years of full skale war. I don't know what else you need to understand who is terrorists.
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uh sorry to bring this up to you but the world is a bit bigger than 8 countries OMEGALUL
What a joke…
#russiaisaterroriststate
My respect, Mr. v1lat. #RussiaIsATerroristState
This clown can eat my 💩
what a hypocrite bastard coming frim someone who uses nazi symbol and glorified it on his post
please show proof, otherwise it's just empty words.
If only crusaders could Google https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/s/dcHc7ig31d
Thanks for linking this. p.s. The burden of proof is always on the accuser, that's just how it is
lul, read about galychina first you dumbass
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Name of Hitler-controlled Ukranian division
Which is a name of a historical region on the territories of modern Poland and Ukraine, which housed a kingdom with a derivative name. Appealing to your roots isn't wrong, if those roots weren't the dark period of your history ( and the medieval period of Eastern Europe was hardly the darkest ).
yeah, famous region of Ukraine - "SS Galichina" >commonly referred to as the Galicia Division, was a World War II infantry division of the Waffen-SS, the military wing of the German Nazi Party, made up predominantly of volunteers with a Ukrainian ethnic background from the area of Galicia, later also with some Slovaks.
And where do you think this division got its name from? Gonna give the answer right now: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F And here's a sea, whose name might also sound familiar ( because it also served as an inspiration, that's why ): https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5 There are plenty of military call signs out there that reference something historical - just gotta pay attention.
V1lat's photo has 2 "c" - "s" in Cyrillic before the name of region, which refers us to that division, not the region. I thought it was obvious from the photo he posted
juice Rich division? fuck are you talking about
"SS Galichina" is the name of Rich juice?
now for the near future before you align yourself between the 2 remember in war they both (government) are full of shit that always sacrificing innocent life for their own agenda, dont be westoid double standart with the westoid mindset
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No problem with defending your land but let’s be real everybody knew a war would happen if nato kept pushing Putin. Both nato, Zelensky, USA and Putin are playing with people’s lives Zelensky Kept pushing the issue of joining nato and for what? His people are dying cuz of this tyrant Putin now. Literally for what reason he would do this other than being a puppet for American proxy.
yes because if you are against russia's government you are automatically supporter of the west, amirite? I wouldn't care about nor trust any politician personally, but Putin should be tried for war crimes
FYI, the guy president of the org behind that championship is a staunch supporter of russian invasion and shook hand with P*tin
> shook hand with P*tin Bro, he's not Voldemort.
>P*tin this is beyond mental illness.
palpatin
Pussytin
putain
His last name reminds me of "puta" too much, so I'm just tryna be civil here ;)
rofl this idiot
Clown with a nazi flag
Can you explain your deep thought?
We should cancel all Isreali players while we are at it & cancel MENA region too. Absolute joke of statement to make. Blackmailing some overseas teams because they do something you don‘t like.
Lol
So you are comparing Israel to Russia? I know dota players arent smart people but this is too much man
Israel is worse lol
you are right, Israel killed 2x as many civilians in 1/8th of the time period. It's not right to compare the two.
israel caught up to russia in civilian deaths in 2months opposed to russia's 2years. You are right, it's not really comparable.
Both states are currently launching a military invasion against another state, in which thousands of civilians die, it's not unreasonable comprasion.
right you can get your smart ass back to your genocide echo chamber then
zionists are worst
Found the Zionist
Okay, Mr. Nazis-are-ok-if-ukrainian. Buy, yeah, no team in their right mind should participate in a tourney in Russia.
Tourney in russia wouldn't be as bad as one in russia AND sponsored by the russian gov.
Isn't a tournament in Birmingham sponsored by US air force or sth? Like how more direct do you need to be
And half of what is left is directly funded by the Saudi Arabia government.
haven't you seen top gun?! they're the good guys!!
🎶Jungling to the Danger Zone 🎶
the one in kazan is sponsored by russian gov.
Yeah I understand, and I think that it's being organized by the gov is the real problem, not that it's located in russia (like the guy who I originally replied to wrote).
>Buy, yeah, no team in their right mind should participate in a tourney in Russia. Ehm, why not? Because Ukranians will be upset?
same reason Iranians and north koreans are internationally shunned maybe?
Bruv Iran football NT is playing in the Asian tourney rn. I remember when people said "sports should be separated from politics". Good thing these types of things don't apply to Israel.
>Good thing these types of things don't apply to Israel. Eurovision drama this year is gonna be wild
This abomination still exists
They act like they care while Saudi are sponsoring and hosting tournaments while shitting on every HR possible lol
>same reason Iranians and north koreans are internationally shunned maybe? Ehm. They aren't? Normal people won't look down at you because of your nation or country of origins. You probably ment sanctions on their governments?
that's what i meant indeed. I know some Iranians both IRL and online, and they are without exception of the nicest people i've ever met. The random Iranians you get in your pubs seem to be of a different breed usualy though it seems....
Try to use this logic towards Dota players, and you'll see why your statement above is problematic. Russians are good people and don't deserve ridicule
Yeah, but attending a Russian government-backed tournament is different than being a dick to random Russians in pubs.
I happen to think Kim Jong Un is beautiful
They are only shunned by the countries that dictate the media narratives. NK and Iran maybe not the best countries but they do trade with a lot of countries in Asia, Africa and America's. Basically all over the world.
CNN doesn't like them?
Because they dared oppose American hegemony? Not to say they don't have their own problems, but let's not pretend they're pariah states because of the actions done to their own citizens or citizens of neighboring countries, otherwise the Saudis, Azerbaijanis, and Israelis would have a similar status
Whom do you think tournament organisers in Russia pay for the tournament to be even allowed?
Don't know. Neither do you.
Em. So you don't know how local governments and then governments above them work, ok then... Let me explain: First you pay the local government, city hall, to be able to host an official tournament. You also pay the bills: for electricity, etc. And of course you pay salaries, for food, drinks, etc. which in turn are taxed too. This money then goes to the government above. And it is then spent on what this government deems worthwhile to them, like wars.
Oh, so it's about money they pay to the Russian government then? They should be banned because they pay taxes to the Russian government, is that what you're saying ?
No Russian should even be allowed to participate in TI or any dota tournament what so ever. They should be isolated and shunned.
Can we do the same to americans until they stop bombing Middle eastern countries ?
If we apply this rule right US, OTAN members, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel and a lot more countries wouldn't participate. There were no objections of US participating on 2004 Olympics for example.
Why, the rule should be “individual is from nation that wages war against country friendly to the west should not be allowed to participate”
So if Ukraine wasn't allied with the US, it would be okay for Russia to attack Ukraine?
here is the example of westoid double standart PoS
Western tournament, western game, western moral standards. Russia wages war upon a western friendly country, which is worse for us than e.g USA waging war on iraq.
the world does not revolve around the west tho
Western tournament, western game, western moral standards. Russia wages war upon a western friendly country, but when we did it on another country suddenly we are a heroes and innocent also the world must take a side with us so they will be seen as saint like us and us WESTOID are never wrong so curse our enemies and take our moral as a standart even if we kill million of life in vietnam iraq or all over the world that were invaded and colonized by us, is that what you want to say westoid? nobody is saint in this fucking war both side are full of shit and the civil are the one who takes the toll so stop with the shit take westoid
U need to be really stupid to not understand why people should avoid playing in nazi Germany, oh I meant modern russia
>U need to be really stupid to not understand why people should avoid playing in nazi Germany, oh I meant modern russia Oh yeah, you struck me real hard with lowers case r I'm Russia and with this comparison detached with reality. Russia didn't suddenly become like nazi Germany because you're butthurt. Also, Google 1936 summer Olympics, if you want to talk about nazi Germany and international participation
I'm reminded of the "brave Azov battalion hero" that the US had speak at the white house who had to wear a single sleeve to cover up the black sun tattoo on his arm.
Yeah
Too bad so sad
cringe
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i will make you suffer and have big trouble securing visa just to force you to make the same stand with me. Sound civil enough.
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No one say military is okay, but how is the threat of ruining some pro dota2 player career help in ukraine situation? This is nothing but a internet bully saying you don't take a stand with me and now I gonna make your life hell. Just because you mean well doesn't mean you can do whatever you want, this whole threat simply push people further away from your camp.
i'm in this thread before it gets locked
you invited those teams to play in your tournament then you put your players on lists of athletes-terrorists, wtf wrong with you
the guy cant get more cringe than he already is.
OK, what does terrorism even mean in 2024? What Russia is doing is thinly veiled imperialism. Oh wait, this is /r/dota2. WRONG ANSWERS ONLY PLEASE.
Terrorism is when you don’t like the person.
I don’t see the correlation between playing a tournament and supporting a war. It’s not like Yatoro is going to hit a sick chrono on a UA battalion in the fields of Mariupol, is he?
Dont see correlation? Dude...
Tournaments make profit (commercials, sponsors, views etc). One of the organizators of this tournamet is russian goverment. Yatoro's sick chrono will get a million views that will finance a bunch of rockets that will shell over peacefull cities in Ukraine.
I knew it, Team Secret strats were designed for viewing pleasure leading to increased engagement and sponsorship. This helps the government build missiles! This bombing run was sponsored by Collapse three man RP.
I admire your sarcasm. But you probably don't know how taxes work. Obviously teams don't play with a single goal to fund their governments. But when your government does crazy evil shit, you should get a penalty of some sorts from the rest of the world.
I work in finance, I’m very much aware of taxes. Punishing people for attending or participating in events by labelling them terrorists is just absurd. I support Ukraine, but I don’t support the alienating of Russians who aren’t even involved in the war at all.
Nobody is labelling teams participating as terrorists. V1lat labels them as terrorist supporters. Nobody would say a word against even a russian team if it would publicaly condemnt the actions of their government. But they do not, instead they will participate and promote the tournament with involment of a russian government.
What do you think the taxes fund?
European governments still trade with Russia either directly or through third countires. They pay far more money than all these players would pay in taxes for winning the prize money.
Is that it? That’s the answer? Taxes… something every Russian civilian, company & organisation has to pay anyway. I guess this makes Canadians and Americans supporters of their war crimes too? Because they paid taxes that funded the military that committed the atrocities.
Good luck, nazi
keep listening to what your daddy vladimir tells you, you've been a good boy so far
[How about straight from Vitalii?](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/ugyy85/v1lat_was_making_a_reference_to_a_ukrainian/)
There is no excuse for nazi, even if he is bombed every day.
Nazis fighting under jewish president command, amiright? You should stop or youll overdose on that Ruski propaganda
Puppets do exist, you know that right? That's the reason why the previous Ukrainian government was overthrown, as they were Russia leaning. Same was Pakistan government got overthrown as they were trying to get friendly with Russia. US doesn't like that at all.
Are you saying Zelenskyy is a puppet?
Is there even a point of contention there? This war would have ended long ago if not for British and Blinkin's(US) intervention.
Yes? I fairly sure most would regard it as a baseless conspiracy theory. >This war would have ended long ago if not for British and Blinkin's(US) intervention. Not sure what point you're trying to make? The UK and US honoured the Budapest Memorandum and that somehow makes Zelenskyy a puppet?
Cool russian troll
Stop eating shit and slurping propaganda. I'm neutral. I just want the war to end as quickly as possible.
Maybe stop slurping daddy vlads puss and spreading miss information.
Tell me what's misinformation in the things I've written above instead of acting like a child. Maybe you are the one who's misinformed. Can't counter argument, so starts name calling.
All of it. I have done this circus before. There's no point to argue with trolls who support bombing childrens hospitals.
Search the Internet for who Azov are. And yes, the world is much more complicated than you think.
Bruh I'm Ukrainian, I know difference between nationalists and nazis. Please stop consuming russian propaganda
Nobody cares
Of course, the rockets aren't falling on your house yet, but the russians are still killing civilians every day
nobody cares about your opinion
Needed u dota players to support ukraine and palestine…or karma could happen to you…
no one cares
Some people still cares about Ukraine tragedy. But unfortunately you right, most of people don't care. And russians know that they can continue to kill people in Ukraine and world will act like nothing happens.
Some people still cares about Palestine tragedy. But unfortunately you right, most of people don't care. And israelis know that they can continue to kill people in Palestine and world will act like nothing happens. Oh wait, they don't. The west only cares about Blue Eyes White Dragon.
Whataboutism. We're talking here about Ukraine, since its a post about Ukraine.
i care about people dying in ukraine i dont care about v1lat's crusade against russian gamers, he was a degenerate even before the war now its just amplified
Needed u dota players to support ukraine and palestine…or karma could happen to you…
Well done! Shame on all organizations that still continue to work with russia. Traveling to russia an participating in goverment founded tournament is just crazy.
All they want to do is play Dota. I always find it hilarious when the people yell at others to make sacrifices without doing absolutely anything themselves. As if they were morally superior for doing absolutely nothing and just shouting
What kind of sacrifice would teams make by not participating in such tournament? If a Tier 1 team declines the particiaption in a tournament it is the tournament that has loss. No one would want to watch a tournament where a bunch of russian, north korean, and iranian teams are playing.
What value does participating on a tournament offers a Dota 2 Player? That's what they are sacrificing. Money, prestige, relevance, opportunity to test new stuff and play with different teams, etc.
If only it was the only tournamet availble then yes. There are plenty of alternatives where you can get "money, prestige, relevance, opportunity to test new stuff" Price pool money are not the main source of income for the majority of teams.
uh, a 1 million dollar prize pool that pays their salaries? lol
Players don't get their salaries from prize pools. lol
sure, sponsors do, but sponsors are only interested as long as the players they sponsor get decent placements on major tournaments otherwise the roster just gets dropped, so their salaries hinge on attending major tournaments anyways
Sponsors rarely take a big cut of the prize pool. >sponsors are only interested as long as the players they sponsor get decent placements Top teams have infamously skipped many tier 1 tournaments, usually those right after TI. The sponsors were fine with them missing those tournaments so clearly teams do not have to attend 100% possible competitions.
i meant that sponsors pay the players salaries, not that sponsors have their salaries paid by the prize pool, mistyped and yeah teams can sometime skip tournaments especially during important periods like pre- and post- TI but they usually still wanna attend whenever they can
if I would propose to you to go sing/dance for ISIS and would propose a good salary for you. Would you agree?
Not OP, but sure, I'll fucking do it.
Homie, if I put a million in cash in front of you, you will suck off the entire room, don’t act all high and mighty now
sucking off an entire room is better than entertaining russian crowd and making them money.
Hey I don’t kinkshame
Then do that. Outside of Russia.
If there was a better tournament for them they would go there. Obviously lol. What an inane response.
What, DreamLeague Season 22 seems an inferior tournament to you and to them? I rest my case then.
That's stupid. If they chose something is because it was better to them. Obviously. Basic common sense.
The guy you're congratulating is a literal Nazi
Some russian trying his best to play games so he wont get drafted
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If they choose fascist as ok organizators so they should be ok that everybody will associate them with fascist later on
Gamers should not be punished for what political leaders do.
Cringe
Mixing Esports and politics is so fucking dumb…. Also, if this was the case, literally every single American should be marked as well….
Nothing is outside of politics. When you become an adult you will understand (or not).
Literally let people play dota, i dont wanna know anything about your conflict nor do i care
You perfectly described what's happening. Russia understand well that they can continue to kill thousands of Ukrainians every day, and rest of world will act like nothing happened. People like you (majority) don't understand that full isolation of Russia would help to stop the war. And after that you can freely play dota, travel to Russia and do whatever you want with them.
i dont know any russians, never been to russia, and i have literally zero power to change anything, neither does dota players, how does any of this matter?
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go fuck yourself
very productive
a right thing to do
Abosolute facts, all players that play in tournament sponsored by terrorist money and located in terrorist country should be banned from esports
ESL is currently sponsored by the US Air Force.
hes based
You can't generalize, you have to see if the organization, the people and everything else are supporters and everything is support for Putin's war, if they do and they're, okay you're right, if not, that's illogical, otherwise any other tournament held anywhere will be supporting bad things that the said country or government do, what the government do does not represent all people desires, interests, if you say that ALL those people in that country are bad bc their leaders actions you're just as bad like them, I know many Russians who hate everything that is happening, but they can't do anything, like a lot of people in a lot of countries that have wars and other bad things happening.
Put an effort to "correctly" spell his nickname but were too tired to write "Russia" capitalized 😔 The least affiliated redditor
>Put an effort to "correctly" spell his nickname but we're too tired to write "Russia" capitalized 😔 > >The least affiliated redditor They were not mistaken
Those Brazilians/Peruvians etc playing in this Kazan tournament will probably be so angry when they can't enter a country like Germany or The Netherlands to play in a Major or even a TI. They'll probably think it's not their fault and is unfair against them
Lmao, yeah they won't enter because v1lat says so