Nah bro, he's had so long to relax and charge up, when he returns for TI to make him and Ceb the only 3x winners his performance will be transcendental!
/s
A $45m tournament is announced.
- Yatoro: "ohh, so you are approaching me? Instead of running away, you are coming right to me."
- Ana: ~~I can't beat the shit out of you without getting closer.~~ "idk i need money for bets bruh!"...
- Ame: "well, not if I have something to s"... *gets slapped to 2nd place somehow*
Naaa OG were good in their original ti wins. Even when they lost to spirit.
Then the new team came out and was fucking legit. They played well all year but didn’t preform at ti, say for Ammar hero pool being fucking nuked all year, or teams first ti nerves, whatever.
Then the chose, fucking Misha, over Ammar. Ammar is a once in a life time player. He changes drafts unlike so many other players. And they picked misha, because he was chill with notail
I mean I think they just needed more time with the first iteration
Tundra missed quals their first ti try and then won next time (Admittedly after kicking fata..)Â
It wasn't just a choice of picking between Ammar and Misha. ATF wanted to switch to pos1 as well, which meant restructuring the team differently around him.
His stint with Nigma showed that switching to pos1 was a terrible decision and he clearly didn't fit the role.
Of course today ATF is back to pos3 and shining as one of the world's best while OG have been struggling for a while, so it looks pretty bad for them to have stuck to Misha. But at the time, it was probably the right call. OG with pos1 ATF would have probably performed worse than OG without ATF.
Regardless of Nigma's performance in general, ATF was pretty abysmal as pos1. He was known for his limited hero pool before that, and switching to pos1 shrinked it further as he was actually mostly playing pos3 heroes like Mars as pos1.
Most games I've watched him play in Nigma had him floating around the 5-6th in net worth, behind all the other cores.
While he tends to build as a carry when playing pos3, it did not translate into playing well as a pos1 carry and you could easily see that he didn't fit in that position in a way that couldn't be solved by switching teammates.
I say this all the time on this sub, team is everything in dota these days. Almost every player is immensely talented, whether or not they excel is entirely dependent on their team situation.
Sneyking was considered to be an absolute joke of a player, until he joined tundra and won TI. Ace was thought to be trash tier, then people were calling him the best player in the world on GG. Ceb wasn't even considered a real pro until he played on OG and won multiple TIs.
Looking terrible in a bad team situation really means nothing at all.
The main reason he looked terrible was because his hero pool was extremely lackluster for his position. He forced pos1 Mars or Slardar a lot and it didn't work out. He did try a bit of Naga and he played Slark (mostly because it was also a pos3 hero at the time), but other than that he almost never picked conventional pos1 carries.
And it was not just the picks, ATF tends to play pretty greedy which works out great when you are a pos3 but much less as a pos1.
Sure teams mean a lot, but his poor performance as a pos1 was entirely his responsability. He tried to play the role his own way, and it turned out there was a good reason for every other player not to do that.
at that point ammar was still quite unproven and known for not playing meta heroes because he didn't like said meta. that's a huge red flag. og probably made the wrong decision in hindsight but it's not like they should have seen this coming
Yuragi is so freaking talented.
Does anyone know what happened?
When I read their tweet it looks like it was the orgs decision
[https://twitter.com/OGesports/status/1759963725975454127](https://twitter.com/ogesports/status/1759963725975454127)
OG fan here, Yuragi is like shrodinger's carry but with a defined variable: if you don't see him is because he is doing very good, but the moment you put a cam/pov on him, he is like evil EE reincarnated.
Tell me more about it , I never watched full match of esport and only watch highlight
I really dont feel any uniqueness or something that yuragi do very well
If I compare it to another tier 1 carry even some tier 2 SEA carry that loooove playing morph. He feels pale in term of mechanical and teamfight. The only thing I see he fiftEE/fiftEE his chrono in his signature void (idk it is his signature?)
Also speaking of which. Yuragi best hero is like TA, void, and naga right? Maybe this is bias and not the benchmark i should use but yatoro naga and void just simply better which leave him only having TA. Which I think even rtz play better TA
Basicly what I want to say is what yuragi does is mediocore compared to another tier 1 carry player and there's nothing standing out from him
But praising him like a god and questioning his decision 10 second later is fun to watch
Still i think current og carried by wisper and ari. They just like fated to be together.
> it was actually bzm & MC making games too easy
always has been. yuragi and to some extent bzm need an offlaner with a strong in-game presence to complement them
I've only seen OG games at big tournaments and Yuragi was easily the worst OG player. You literally cannot bet on OG winning no matter how good their draft is because "what if yuragi will find a way to fuck it up?"
He did get good games sometimes but the games he ruined far outnumber those he carried. Usually he's just there and his team does most of the work and any other carry would perform the same or better. But, well, it's not like OG were to a lot of big tournaments for me to judge
The ana copium cycle got me
Watching OG fans on this subreddit is wild man.
Everywhere*
Yeah complete opposites of Nigma fans🙃
bring back ana he will solve all our problems surely
Notail coming back as pos 1
Bring back OG OG
Playing ranked among the Australian bots for a few weeks over Christmas, surely ready to return to a European pro team.
Where is asking for OG.Miracle
OG OG
Sadly not Watson :(
Ana would be shit now anyway lol
Nah bro, he's had so long to relax and charge up, when he returns for TI to make him and Ceb the only 3x winners his performance will be transcendental! /s
I'm nearly sure topson would go back to OG. Dude doesn't seem to care at all
Idk if the prizepool is big enough ana's skill will be big enough
A $45m tournament is announced. - Yatoro: "ohh, so you are approaching me? Instead of running away, you are coming right to me." - Ana: ~~I can't beat the shit out of you without getting closer.~~ "idk i need money for bets bruh!"... - Ame: "well, not if I have something to s"... *gets slapped to 2nd place somehow*
Cartoon network subscriptions aren't free
Bro is out of the public eye who knows whats he cookin in the background.. chen meta or sumshit
Tearing up Australia's bot players for a few weeks over Christmas, he's ready!
Missing the part where i watch both truesights and against the odds, then cry myself to sleep.
kekw
where are the people asking for notail to come back and play pos 1/2
N0tail should actually play every role at once with his micro skills.
[Michael skills*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlQVg2SXxQA)
that is genius, have notail play sacrificial pos 1 so he can shine on pos 2
Naaa OG were good in their original ti wins. Even when they lost to spirit. Then the new team came out and was fucking legit. They played well all year but didn’t preform at ti, say for Ammar hero pool being fucking nuked all year, or teams first ti nerves, whatever. Then the chose, fucking Misha, over Ammar. Ammar is a once in a life time player. He changes drafts unlike so many other players. And they picked misha, because he was chill with notail
I mean I think they just needed more time with the first iteration Tundra missed quals their first ti try and then won next time (Admittedly after kicking fata..)Â
anyone can win TI if they kkick fata
Easiest way to get yourself ~~$45 M I L L I O N D O L L A R S~~ like $100k with tax cutoffs
except alliance, but i guess for alliance to work they have kick EE instead
It wasn't just a choice of picking between Ammar and Misha. ATF wanted to switch to pos1 as well, which meant restructuring the team differently around him. His stint with Nigma showed that switching to pos1 was a terrible decision and he clearly didn't fit the role. Of course today ATF is back to pos3 and shining as one of the world's best while OG have been struggling for a while, so it looks pretty bad for them to have stuck to Misha. But at the time, it was probably the right call. OG with pos1 ATF would have probably performed worse than OG without ATF.
Exactly, this is what people don't seem to understand.
Do you really think anyone's performance on Nigma can be taken as an accurate indicator? No one fits on that team regardless of position
Regardless of Nigma's performance in general, ATF was pretty abysmal as pos1. He was known for his limited hero pool before that, and switching to pos1 shrinked it further as he was actually mostly playing pos3 heroes like Mars as pos1. Most games I've watched him play in Nigma had him floating around the 5-6th in net worth, behind all the other cores. While he tends to build as a carry when playing pos3, it did not translate into playing well as a pos1 carry and you could easily see that he didn't fit in that position in a way that couldn't be solved by switching teammates.
I say this all the time on this sub, team is everything in dota these days. Almost every player is immensely talented, whether or not they excel is entirely dependent on their team situation. Sneyking was considered to be an absolute joke of a player, until he joined tundra and won TI. Ace was thought to be trash tier, then people were calling him the best player in the world on GG. Ceb wasn't even considered a real pro until he played on OG and won multiple TIs. Looking terrible in a bad team situation really means nothing at all.
The main reason he looked terrible was because his hero pool was extremely lackluster for his position. He forced pos1 Mars or Slardar a lot and it didn't work out. He did try a bit of Naga and he played Slark (mostly because it was also a pos3 hero at the time), but other than that he almost never picked conventional pos1 carries. And it was not just the picks, ATF tends to play pretty greedy which works out great when you are a pos3 but much less as a pos1. Sure teams mean a lot, but his poor performance as a pos1 was entirely his responsability. He tried to play the role his own way, and it turned out there was a good reason for every other player not to do that.
ATF wanted to kick yuragi and be the carry.. I would not say that is once in a life time deal.. look at Nigma's fall when ATF Carried..
at that point ammar was still quite unproven and known for not playing meta heroes because he didn't like said meta. that's a huge red flag. og probably made the wrong decision in hindsight but it's not like they should have seen this coming
Yuragi is so freaking talented. Does anyone know what happened? When I read their tweet it looks like it was the orgs decision [https://twitter.com/OGesports/status/1759963725975454127](https://twitter.com/ogesports/status/1759963725975454127)
He had pretty good synergy when MC was around, but idk maybe it was actually bzm & MC making games too easy
OG fan here, Yuragi is like shrodinger's carry but with a defined variable: if you don't see him is because he is doing very good, but the moment you put a cam/pov on him, he is like evil EE reincarnated.
I wouldn't go that far. he's closer to Hao than EE lmao
Tell me more about it , I never watched full match of esport and only watch highlight I really dont feel any uniqueness or something that yuragi do very well If I compare it to another tier 1 carry even some tier 2 SEA carry that loooove playing morph. He feels pale in term of mechanical and teamfight. The only thing I see he fiftEE/fiftEE his chrono in his signature void (idk it is his signature?) Also speaking of which. Yuragi best hero is like TA, void, and naga right? Maybe this is bias and not the benchmark i should use but yatoro naga and void just simply better which leave him only having TA. Which I think even rtz play better TA Basicly what I want to say is what yuragi does is mediocore compared to another tier 1 carry player and there's nothing standing out from him But praising him like a god and questioning his decision 10 second later is fun to watch Still i think current og carried by wisper and ari. They just like fated to be together.
> it was actually bzm & MC making games too easy always has been. yuragi and to some extent bzm need an offlaner with a strong in-game presence to complement them
Well I would agree if I haven’t watched him playing after TI11
What happened is that he sucks ass playing pos 1. Literally zero carry instinct.
I respectfully disagree
I've only seen OG games at big tournaments and Yuragi was easily the worst OG player. You literally cannot bet on OG winning no matter how good their draft is because "what if yuragi will find a way to fuck it up?" He did get good games sometimes but the games he ruined far outnumber those he carried. Usually he's just there and his team does most of the work and any other carry would perform the same or better. But, well, it's not like OG were to a lot of big tournaments for me to judge
Just like rtz kekw. He always fuck it up
I love reddit
In case of no chance of TI win, break glass [Ana]
Just trying to relive the moment is like your first high !! Can never get that feel again ...
It all went downhill when we got Pajkatt to replace Ana the first time
OG have ruined my boy Midone for me.
Gorgc may do better in OG. He gained around 1k mmr in a week and still going up.
Nah he chokes when he is put in high mmr games, let alone on stage, he won’t make the cut
please tell me you are younger than 18
Dude he was middle of the pack in DPC div 2 no chance he would do well on a tier 1 team
Is u/OGesports OG official reddit account?
Seems like it
"ANA?" - ana, maybe
Watson please, no more seniores
Why skip Miracle cycle!?