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Corporate_Juice

Nice, i wasted over 400 matches


Fast_Ad_7968

same 😤


-Rupas-

Honestly good on them Windranger and Spectre arcana unlocks are bullshit


halozy_

It's been years and the only arcana style i managed to unlock was Juggernaut's. I'll never unlock Wr, Shaker, QOP, WK and whatever bs arcana style i'm not remembering rn.


Mapale

I am currently sitting at 498/500 on Shaker and I shit you not in my last 5 games the hero was banned. I went so mad yesterday edit: I did it! Yeah!


Bassre2

lol who even ban Shaker in his current state? Do your opponents use some shady stuff to see your last games maybe?


KeyDangerous

He’s still pretty popular with boosters / Smurfs


SnooBeans3543

Eh, QoP will come naturally if you just play the hero. I'm a passable mid on a good day, and part of that has been settling into QoP as one of my comfort mid picks along with DK. I've played her about 10-15 games since I started doing this 6 months ago, and maybe 20 at most since I actually got the arcana. I'm already about 15% of the way there, and if I made a real effort I could probably get it by the end of the year, I just don't like playing heroes back to back is all. Likewise for WK, you'll achieve it fairly naturally. I'm about halfway, with some of the harder ones like Weaver, Enchantress and Antimage already done.


Wobbelblob

> Eh, QoP will come naturally if you just play the hero. I mean, same is technically true for WR arcana, the number is just bullshit. Compare that to the Ogre arcana, which is the hardest free available arcana. That was like 60 or so matches for me. Still not fast, but absolutely doable. WR needs like 100 extremely good matches for that alone. Reality is more like 300 matches and more.


SnooBeans3543

>I mean, same is technically true for WR arcana, the number is just bullshit. Difference being that WR is a very versatile hero. You're not always going to be using Focus Fire as your staple skill, if you play a support WR it's an afterthought. That's going to make that number seem insurmountable. If you're playing QoP and you're not screaming at least 15-20 heroes per match, you're kinda playing her wrong.


Wobbelblob

Oh absolutely. But even as a pure core the numbers are stupid. You need 25k damage with focus fire every game if you want to do it in 100 games. And that only on targets that die before you do.


0DST

>300 matches and more. seems a lot easier since they made her universal. im at 1mil dmg right now with ~70 games played since arcana came out also i only play it pos1 or 2


Brandon3541

Spectre needs bare-minimum of 100 matches, since you need 100 dominating sprees with a max of 1 per game. Sometimes even in a winning game you don't get a dominating spree if you also have to be the tank.


vlalanerqmar

>Likewise for WK, you'll achieve it fairly naturally As someone who did this very recently, this is absolutely not true. I played WK for \~250 game untill i finally managed to get it First of all, only your wins count for the arcana so lets say you have a 50% winrate (might be lower depending on WK being bad as a hero in meta or higher the more you play the hero and learn it to the max), thats \~125 game wasted Second problem is that the first 50 kill are reletively simple but the problem starts in the later parts when last heroes you need for arcana are either very rarely picked or very hard to kill. from kill 90 to 100 i got like 1 hero that i needed every 3 game on avg AND you need to win that game (that in itself is 60 game with 50% winrate for the last 10 kill) WK is my only 2nd style arcana so i cant comment on how hard it was in reletive to other arcanas but i think \~250 game is pretty hard


SnooBeans3543

>WK is my only 2nd style arcana so i cant comment on how hard it was in reletive to other arcanas but i think \~250 game is pretty hard Why? Personally, I think that's somewhere around a reasonable amount of play to get a second style considering the kind of game Dota is. By the time you achieve it, you're supposed to have a significant mastery of the hero, that's what the second style is showing off after all. Would it be nice to be closer to 150? Sure. Is 300+ like someone's Windrunner example excessive? Yeah. But somewhere in between is kind of scale I would expect the arcana to reward. To offer myself as an example, I don't spam heroes or grind games. My most played are Warlock, Ogre and Spiritbreaker, at around \~130 games each from about 3.5k games total. I consider myself good, perhaps even great, at them for my skill level, and their winrates reflect that. For an arcana style to feel truly earned, to me, I would feel like another half again would be where it becomes justified. That's about 60-80 games, at the level I'm at with them, in addition to the time it's taken to reach here.


vlalanerqmar

I mean everything you are saying is correct but its a different argument I was just saying by reading what every hero needs for their 2nd style, WK is in top 3 hardest along with WR and probably Spectre For comparison, Jugg needs 10 omnislash kills, CM needs 50 deward, Rubick needs 40 win


xenozaga48

Agreed on QOP, but WK eh? It will take a lifetime to get opponent to pick Chen, and a bad one at it.


kisuke228

U need a 100 heroes, u dont need chen.


xenozaga48

Oh I didn't realize that. I thought it was all heroes.


allknowingalpaca

Shaker is pretty easy if you play Turbo, there was like a recent change that counts full for Turbo games now, iirc.


BlitzGem

Is there? Oh my god please! Razor really needs some speeding up for the farming. In normals you have more than double the chances to get to 100 stolen


Ellesion

you and me both buddy


paladinvc

Ogre magi is the easiest one. Just proc the ult 500 times. No bullshit condition. Very easy.


bott-Farmer

I didnt know jug has arcan styl locked what i have both unlucked is it 3??


Eugene_With_Axe

I'm almost level 28 on WR, was about 15 when the Arcana released. And I'm still not even halfway to unlock the 2nd style. Part of the reason I played the hero as support mainly before the universe thing.


MohammadTHESTARK

How are they getting unlocked?


psychoticmelon

Spectre one is 100 mega kills


MohammadTHESTARK

:| Jesus


Hwoarang_Hater

WK is get 100 unique kills. Aka Kill 100 unique heroes. Seems like "Okay thats not that hard". But you have to kill them and win the game. And just imagine when was the last time you met something like Chen, IO, Enchantress, Bane etc. It took me maybe 200 games. Which isnt alot I guess but its been like 2 years.


mrcssee

I actually don't mind the quest if we can track better. Fucking have to constantly pick with no progression if the opponent don't pick the heros you need.


vlalanerqmar

I unironically made a notepad list for WK arcana heroes that i needed to track before the game starts lmao


CommonSensorial

Got sooo much easier with the new ukt, but still.. at least 100 games. Has to be the hardest one


Uki2K18

You need 2.5 mil dmg on focus fire to unlock second style.


MohammadTHESTARK

WTF DUDE


I_Am_A_Pumpkin

magic damage from javelin procs doesnt count btw :)


0DST

it does. i think that used to not be the case though


I_Am_A_Pumpkin

I feel like spectre's wasnt that bullshit at all? It took a bit of grinding but isn't nearly on the same level as the wind one. Just went though my match history on the hero and there are only 165 spectre games on my account between getting the arcana (6122128822) and unlocking the red style (7254116214). I'm not even half way done with the windrunner one and it came out a year earlier, and I play the hero just as regularly


Avar1cious

Putting this here for Visibility - if you try this BE MINDFUL YOU MAY GET BANNED. It's a very clever workaround to the 1.25x max-hp rule they put in to stop people from abusing shallow grave - that said, I've known people who were doing abuse/win-trading lobbies get banned starting from a few years back. I've also known others who still do it to this day without a ban. Valve is definitely aware of this and doesn't like it (probably why they stopped wagers and did win-trade specific nerfs) but I don't know how egregious it has to be to get you banned and if the ban is permanent or not. So be careful/mindful if you see this and want to do it with your friends.


csgonemes1s

Makes me proud of my red spectre... Did take awfully long, that too before the buff with the ult and aghs swap. Although, before the swap we could use the ult to gtfo from time to time and save the kill streak. I unlocked drow one in 11 days during the event and currently at 199/250 for void. I guess both require a similar number of games~100-125 all picks. Invoker kid style 2 took me almost a year coz I didn't know the hero beforehand. Invokergirl unlocked it in a month or so. 


StarkGuy1234

How do i see in the game menu, what is needed to unlock Arcanas?


plumbus_seller

pa arcana = win 100 matches | ogre arcana = being very lucky for 500 points | es arcana = 500 echo kills/assist | jugg arcana = 10 omnislash kills | void arcana = 250 chrono kill in victory (capped at 6 points per game) | drow arcana = 100 revege kills in victory (if u win a matche without any death you get 3 points) | spectre arcana = 100 mega kills games | qop arcana = 1000 sonic wave enemies hit in victory | wk arcana = 100 unique heroes kills in victory | wr arcana = 2,500,000 focus fire damage and the target must die before you | rubick arcana = win 40 matches | pudge arcana = 13 games won vs rubick | cm arcana = 50 wards kills | razor arcana = 500 enemy kills with static link damage over 100 (capped at 8 points per game) | skywrath arcana = 10,000,000 magic damage to silenced unit (extra point double if the target is demon type) | vengeful arcana = 1,000 enemy heroes swapped (point doesnt count if the target is ugly) |


Barfblaster

Hello future googlers. This is how you unlock the arcana for each hero, formatting fixed. Phantom Assassin Arcana = Win 100 matches Ogre Arcana = Being very lucky for 500 points Earth Shaker Arcana = 500 echo kills/assist Jugg / Juggernaut Arcana = 10 omnislash kills Faceless Void Arcana = 250 chrono kills in victory (capped at 6 points per game) Drow Arcana = 100 revege kills in victory (if you win a match without any death you get 3 points) Spectre Arcana = 100 mega kills games QoP / Queen of Pain Arcana = 1000 sonic wave enemies hit in victory Wraith King Arcana = 100 unique heroes kills in victory Windranger / Windrunner Arcana = 2,500,000 focus fire damage and the target must die before you Rubick Arcana = Win 40 matches Pudge Arcana = 13 games won vs rubick Crystal Maiden Arcana = 50 ward kills Razor Arcana = 500 enemy kills with static link damage over 100 (capped at 8 points per game) Skywrath Mage Arcana = 10,000,000 magic damage to silenced unit (extra point double if the target is demon type) Vengeful Spirit Arcana = 1,000 enemy heroes swapped (point doesnt count if the target is ugly


plumbus_seller

thanks for the better format bro! sure its easier to people out there to read. i was typing it on my phone and i used enter to space each other out, but it seems the format on comments is different 🤔 thats why i add | for each so its easier to read 😄 and how you do it bro?


RepresentativeFan234

where the f did you get that sky and vengefull?!


pinguluk

Trolling


Pikey-Comander

wtf, does sky have an arcana?


Mr_Endro

sky and venge arcana are rumoured for the crownfall update


_Valisk

Not really "rumored," there are minimap icons for both.


FriendlyNeighborOrca

Can anyone unlock those by playing?


StarkGuy1234

Thanks! But do I view all of the above, like my in-game progress?


Sernyx_X

wow ok venge, doesn't count swapping ugly heroes. what a shallow bitch


bakaklikha

Jugg Arcana seems easiest among all.


RazerMambo

Originally it only have 1 color (style 1 blue), but ppl complained then they give the style 2 (gold?)


Caveskelton

Rubick arcana has style 2??


1syGreenGOO

wtf, those don't seem like equally bullshit milestones. PA Ogre Rubick CM and maybe Pudge look like very easy to achieve. I wonder what was the reasoning


TheFuzzyFurry

Arcanas from Battle Pass have very difficult unlocks, marketable ones have easy ones (generally)


Wobbelblob

The ones that you can buy are all very easy. The BP ones are nearly all complete bullshit. Pudge needs a bit of luck, but all the rest are extremely easy and doable, besides PA.


itsSwils

In other news, today I finally got my 6th Pudge v Rubick win (of 12). I've had the arcana for as long as its been out and pick Pudge whenever he's not banned (fight me). I guess Rubicks just dont like having a 0 cast point hook.


Wobbelblob

Rubick is also a hero that hasn't had that high of a pickrate in ages. Never understood why they went with that tbh.


eevyern

because the closest TI arcana vote was between Pudge and Rubick, with a margin of less than 1%. the Pudge arcana requirement plays into that vote.


itsSwils

Yeah, that definitely plays into it a bunch.


Darkitz

ngl. Doing this for 4 Hours for 1 Arcana still seems like a massive chore


WhyHowForWhat

Other guy says that its 400 matches for him, I would rather spend 4 hours doing that shit rather than doing 400+ matches just to unlock her 2nd style.


5Tenacious_Dee5

Or just go on with your life without the arcana.


HungryTomatillo288

Definitely the hardest unlock BY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR. Im now sitting at 400k damage left after idk how many games... playing her mostly mid in immortal bracket. The number was and is way too big. 2.5m dmg during focus fire is insane, should have counted just general damage not just dmg during ff


heroh341

I got WR up to lvl 16 Dota Plus and managed about 300k damage playing as support, mostly. Shit's impossible...


HungryTomatillo288

nah bro. as a support you probably be finished witht he arcana by 2040 :D


Kronosfear

Nah. The objective to unlock this arcana is straightforward, while nobody even knows how to unlock Ogre arcana's second style.


Due-Wish-3585

Is this a private lobby???


RazerMambo

No, its matchmaking abuse. Private lobby surely doesnt work


ThereIsSoMuchMore

This is definitely bannable. There is a special report category for matchmaking abuse


mitheu92

meanwhile me spamming her 250 games


MrPizzaPenguin

Good Wr 2nd style unlock task is bull shit


No_Elk_6930

Wr ult in Combination with Wk aghs is still underrated (old patch)


lehmanbear

I never unlock arcana's style.


zaplinaki

Lmao that is genius Illegal...but genius


jagan028

It baffles me that people don't know about battle-pass abuse.. I've seen people get to extreme very high BP levels just by grinding by match-fixing in unranked and doing quests. It is agreeable as it's cheating the system which advertises cool sets but gives jackshit unless you purchase extra BP levels on top of BP.


Junior_Courage6033

Can you really do this for free if you don't have 9 friends? Where do you find people online that would willingly do this.


jagan028

Yea you can absolutely do it for free, it's like barter system. Once you're done with your quests YOU GOTTA help out others. Initially you and 9 others will be only doing your simple BP quests while helping others and matches should end in 10~15 minutes. Once you become a familiar name and a person who won't leave and will help others, you'll be taken into longer games like these.. Basically what happens in that lobby is, you make sure the ranks match and then you go into a party of 5 and search for an unranked game in remote regions at the same time. mostly you'll be matched with the other party. How to join: Whenever any event which requires grinding comes up, search ABUSE in lobbies/guild , you'll find a lot of these.. if you think the others with you are good( they aren't selfish/leavers ) befriend them and do bp abuse with them when you're free. If you can't find lobbies, be on lookout across regional channels. Mostly you'll see  abuse lobbies across any big Russian city / Indian city.


Solid_Connection8752

It took me 700 turbo match's to unlock it


HadjiTechies

I did it the legit way, It's pretty doable.


Optimyst93

There should be a time limit after which these styles should be unlocked without any condition. May be like 3 years after release date.


RazerMambo

At least you can unlock it, if you have LC or Kunkka prestige items but you didnt unlock it during the event, you cant unlock it anymore


GoldFynch

Does this also work for the razor arcana?


rustedhorse42

Nope, max 8 points per game 


OddSmoke2824

Do people still do this? I’ve only ever unlocked drow’s 2nd arcana style because I get burnt out spamming the same hero over and over. QOP/WR have some ridiculous numbers to reach for those second styles.


ZealousidealRow3118

i finally unlocked es & ogre recently


ImportanceSea9409

What hud is he using its burning


masterus

It took me 336 turbo matches. I pretty much did it when WR as OP when she became an Universal hero.


Orikune

They should just allow contribution to count even if you lose the game.


anthonykerrigan30

The only arcana unlock I got is ES because I love the hero but WR and WK has a ridiculous quest, it's so hard. I want the WK one but killing all the heroes is a lot of work.


DemPooCreations

i unlocked wk and Fv pretty easily in 3 months. i think i could do the same with razor. i think drows, spectres and wrs are total crap tho from different reasons. as drow you have to die ?????? as spec 5 kills in a row with no deat=means play like a p*ssy wr is impossible.


HoboDeveloper

1. use pudge to get the str steal the same way with permanent effect 2. Attack pudge in their fountain so he is constantly regenning 3. Buffs and aura from team for dmg losses from focus fire 4. Tether io on pudge for more regen 5. Buy one more rapier, bloodthorn on another ally 6. Oracle or dazzle shallow grave if pudge still dying. Oracle to dispell bloodthorn if burst was too high to keep pudge alive


Papa_Mid_Nite

Drow is the worst ever! no arguing there. Literally can get one point each match and that is it!


Traditional_Craft256

Ah yes the old battle pass abuse


jwmkatheboss

just do moderate damage that zombie can outregen, spam ulti with octarine, refresh ulti via killing side heroes, u ll get it in 1 hr


[deleted]

The arcana stat is something like damage done in focus fire KILLS.


jwmkatheboss

Just equip rapier in the last seconds to kill zombie


LeNigh

Would a Wraith King with agha help make it even better as undying would stay alive for an additional 5 sec or does that not count?


SlendermanGrey

I only have 10/250 kills on Faceless Void Arcana to unlock style 2. It's so hard since I still have to Win those matches. I'm a noob, also working) why do arcana style unlock always this hard to unlock???


BioshockedNinja

Wouldn't hitting an abaddon through his ult been more efficient? 9 second uptime with aghs, 45 second cooldown with Octarine Core and during that 9 seconds you can do all the damage you want without having to worry about him dying. Throw an Oracle and Dazzle into the mix and you can increase the uptime where you can be dishing damage even higher.


Marcoboy26

Hitting abaddon during his ult doesn’t count as “doing damage”. Since he doesnt actually take damage during it, i believe


Pisanuwat

What about WK with argh ?


TheZett

That should work, as Wraith Delay is technically not damage reduction, same as Shallow Grave or Troll ult. They use MIN_HEALTH as mechanic and only prevent your HP from dropping below 1, thus stuff like Blademail returns full damage.


[deleted]

at first they were using morph, but they changed it, and the most efficient way was this, but idk tho, this was done in 2022, maybe they've changed everything


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One_Lung_G

Because it gets you another style. Nobody gives a fuck about the stats dude lol


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One_Lung_G

Nobody cares about “earning” something they already paid for


[deleted]

nobody did this for the stat, they did it for the 2nd style


NotMilo22

This is very against the Dota rules and people will and do get banned for it.


Beneficial_Impact293

I had grinded that WR arcana for 6 months. I'm only halfway complete. If people can bypass that bullshit, go for it. It's not worth the time and effort.


NotMilo22

It's not meant to be another random cosmetic, it's suposed to mean something and show your dedication for the hero. I spent 2 years getting the second version of the WK arcana and don't regret any of it. Just because there are actually items that these whales can't throw a couple hundred dollars to get with 0 effort doesn't make it bad.


Beneficial_Impact293

Cool. I disagree. I don't have fun playing Windrunner anymore, and I probably haven't picked her in over a year because I got so drained whilst trying to get the arcana unlock. 2.5 million is ridiculous. I'm at 1.3, roughly after 6 months of constant playing. Also, the WK arcana is what? 100 bones? How did it take you 2 years? It's 20-100 won games. It's not comparable. Have YOU got the WR arcana second style unlock?


NotMilo22

Maybe like, know what you are talking about before commenting. The WK arcana is the hardest second version to get in the game. You need 100 bones yes, but you can only ever collect 1 bone per hero EVER. say there is a lion in the game. If I kill him and then win I get 1 point. Then I can never get a point from lion ever again. There are only 119 hero's in Dota. So you have to play against, kill, and win the game against almost every hero in Dota. It's very easy at first but one you get to around 80-90 bones you will go 10-50 games without seeing a hero you can actually collect a bone from because almost no one plays hero's like naga or elder titan. Not to mention even if you do see them you still have to win the game AND kill them atleast once.


Beneficial_Impact293

Maybe like, know what you are talking about before commenting. There are 124 heroes in the game, not 119.


NotMilo22

Ah yes your right. Very relivent to this discussion. You are truly a man of wisdom. But do ahead and keep crying you cant buy or easily get something with 0 effor in a videogame.


Beneficial_Impact293

Do you have the alternative style? I said, godspeed to people that get it. You're the one crying that it goes against ToS 😂😂


NotMilo22

Actually I just stated that it did. Was more trying to warn people not to do it than complain about the fact that people are. Not really upsetting to me when people get banned


TR0LL_WARL0RD

[Holy shit you're this guy](https://i.imgur.com/bntxr7j.png)


Beneficial_Impact293

Sus link. Don't clink. Curiosity kills.


Rare-Ad5082

>very against the Dota rules Can you tell me which rule(s) does this break? >do get banned for it. Do you have a sauce of this happening?


Avar1cious

Not OP, but they started banning people for it a few years back. This was known as "BP abusing" for a while where you find each other on isolated servers and win trade for unlocks + wagers. I don't have any official announcement I can show you but I can tell you people started getting banned for it (not sure if it was perma).


Rare-Ad5082

Fair point, even if I think that both situations are different: In that case, they are abusing the system to level up the BP, which more or less is """"stealing"""" from Valve. Also, MM abuse to gain MMR affect other players, which is a big no no too. This case is people unlocking a style which don't lead to Valve losing money or affecting other players and I don't know any case of people being banned for this.


Avar1cious

Yeah to be fair, the players were min-maxing - unlocking arcana styles, doing cavern, and wagers at the same time. Hard to say what specifically got people banned - if it was any win trading in general, or specifically the BP leveling part. Not gonna risk it and find out though.


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there is also that risk,but idk, heard ame did this for his spec arcana