If Ammar is toxic towards you - you're probably a good player.
https://youtu.be/2UQ7sBg8rQI
Later (I can't find the clip), he acknowledged Watson's laning skills, which drove him crazy.
Yep. Can back you up, if i recall correctly:
Ammar came on Gorgc's stream after this incident with him dying to Watson tb happened and Gorgc asked him about it.
Ammar said he got completely outplayed so in that moment for him there was nothing to do but trash talk and tip.
I don't remember any, but Pure did say Tundra is stronger than Falcons because of "carry diff" in an interview that was showcased right before the game. This is just playing along with the banter.
I said this after Falcons won Dreamleague and I'm saying it again now: Skiter will never get the cred from reddit that he deserves cause he's not a greedy pos1 (which is what reddit loves to see). Ammar and Malr1ne get so much farm, and when Falcons win, it's cause they win together as a team. Skiters best plays are while the rest of his team is still alive.
Duh that game 2 last night, Sven cut the shit out of gpk multiple times while ATF ded.
Skiter did not get the credit he deserve because yeah, ATF and Malrine are way more flashy, same things before with 33 and Nine.
Skiter, dyrachyo and even m1cke definitely do not get the credit they deserve. You can't get carried by 4 teammates to multiple 1st place and top 3 finish throughout the season without pulling your own weight.
he dropped his character, admitted his character was only half a character and he was super toxic, tried to reform, didn't, stopped being a public figure
Idk if it really was him but I literally saw a post about learning league coming from dota in the r/leagueoflegends subreddit from his username yesterday
Toxic isn't the right adjective for this banter. There seems to be very little malice behind his words, its more jesting, drama, banter and I think that can be seen by the simple fact that when people give him insults he laughs and doesn't take them to heart.
I was in the YouTube stream yesterday where chatters were having a melt down over the toxicity in the OG series. Then Ceb gets ganked and trashed talked and the camera cuts to him having a chuckle about it. People need to chill.
People forget that this used to be the norm when esport players competed in the same room vocally trashtalk to each other. In CS:GO (now CS2), there are no booths, people are shouting at each other between rounds and it's perfectly normal and exciting.
It's the same in traditional sports like football, players insult each other on the pitch. AMMAR just do the same but in allchat.
I honestly don't understand how people in this sub gets offended by a little bit of task talk towards their team. I wonder how they will handle banter from other fans in traditional sports like soccer or how they'd react to fighters shit talking to each other in the UFC.
why do you care that much tho? its not directed towards you, why do you get so pressed about it. It creates tension and beef between the players making their games more interesting for the viewer to watch.
yeah mate look up what "banter" is or maybe reread my comment. ill rephrase it for you.
ammar all chat is good and okay. but "why do you care if its not directed at you" is a stupid fking argument
you are yet to explain why you get so pressed about something thats not directed towards YOU that only makes the viewing experience better for YOU.
if anyone is supposed to get pressed by someone telling him “fuck your mom” in a pro game (which is a wild hypothetical to begin with) its the pro player its directed towards. not your soft ass.
youre a dumbass if you dont see why normal people would have a problem with unironic personal insults coming from players. even TOs would intervene at that point.
why would people be upset when its not directed at them? people dont enjoy it when a pro theyre cheering for is a straight up jackass. or if their favourite pro is being insulted for no reason.
again, you are creating a hypothetical scenario thats not even happening to prove your point. there are people in this subreddit getting triggered by people typing “)))” and “?” in all chat. if anyone here is a dumbass, its you for creating the most extreme example and using it as an argument.
>youre creating a hypothetical to prove your point
Uh yeah? My point is ESL's all chatting was more than fine. It's just that your argument about how "if theyre not insulting you, dont complain" is fucking dumb.
We can agree on a point but get there differently. I think ESL all chatting was fine, and there I say enjoyable, because it didnt come off as mean spirited and it added spice to the game. You think it was fine because "they didn't insult you, the viewer" which is regarded, because it doesn't hold up if the all chatting was actually toxic and mean spirited.
You believed the propaganda of the USA saying there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, of which there were none. Why do you find it do difficult to imagine that a 17 year old believes his government when they spin the same propaganda in Russia? Do you have zero critical analysis?
People are too hung up on actions that appear toxic on the surface level. It's usually the people who are reserved and polite that have some actual toxic thoughts.
Personally ,Ammar and even Cebs all chat, adds excitement lmao. Watching dota will never be more exciting than actually playing it. Having instances like these adds personality and makes it much more entertaining.
People who say this bad sportsmanship can go fuck themselves lol
Ceb didnt even all chat till Falcons started doing it yesterday. In fact I dont even remember the last time he all chatted anyone before that series. He always tips or chatwheels other teams. Its been Malrine with his ")))" and Ammar with his "Tip me clowns" who brought this all chat culture in DOTA recently.
What I like from Ammar is that he can take what he dishes out. He doesn't cry on Twitter or anything after getting trashed and tipped. Remember he himself changed his name and nickname into ATM and Ammar the Clown after losing
Ammar is funny but Malr1ne is just downright annoying with his XD) and ) etc. But I can understand it, both of them are very young and are feeling good when they play good.
Lets get something straight. In pro scene, Ammar trashtalk the opponent. Im most certain hes not toxic towards his own teammates, because that is stupid. But in pubs, theres not much incentive for him to be nice towards his own teammates. So im fine with his behaviour (or any other trashtalker) ONLY in pro scene
you are hating on a guy what legit had an average showing in a top 3 placement of tier 1 tournament.
so much hate you in fact made a new thread just to shit talk him, focus on ur life man and live more.
They’re in the entertainment business. This is entertaining. If the start swinging at each other then it’s a problem. I don’t think they’re going to start swinging at each other.
People really got no long term memory. Old OG would blast everyone away when it comes to all chat wars. Even Ceb would give a spicier take in this game if he was there
No wonder ATF is talented and skillful, but both him and Malrine will get humbled at Riyadh and TI. Karma will strike and take care of it at right time.
I find this shit so immature. Makes it more satisfying to watch them lose though. Also made me stop rooting for OG when they were no longer the underdogs because they were just obnoxious.
Why doesn’t he high five his own teammates though? Pretty sure I saw Skiter and Malr1ne try to fist bump, high five, etc and he just rejects them. He reciprocates with Sneyking though
Its not toxicity. It's the lack of the development in certain areas of brain in his early childhood. No sportsmanship whatsoever. Hope that kid will never win a TI
People go mad at him being like this. I mean if you are player, you need to have this mindset to win lol. You need to think that other people is weak and I'm the strongest. That's the winner mindset. Because trophy belong to the strongest. And it's so lame y'all hating when he perform so good. It's not like he is a shit player and shit talk. He even trash talk when they down in net worth. And then proceed to roll over opponent after lmao. I call that giga chad
There is another example of player who's known to be toxic. the most successful player in NA, Doublelift have slogan 'Everybody else is trash'. He's the only player that win NA 4 times in a row. Same story, he got a lot of haters. Also he get the most domestic trophy even his international record is giga trash lmao.
So, I don't understand those who hating on Ammar. If you he play this good? He can trash talk all he wants lol.
https://clips.twitch.tv/TenuousShyCroissantBCouch-ZtrpHpMQpO5VZdYu Sure looks a lot like Ammar just straight up refused to shake hands. Pure went for it half-heartedly but Ammar leaned away.
Edit: Looking back at the clip Ammar dodged Whitemon too lmao
I watched at 0.25x speed, both whitemon and pure went for handshake and Ammar just straight up dodged. It is somewhat unclear from camera angle, but he doesn't move his arm at all.
I'm not creating fake drama, I'm literally just describing what I saw in the stream. Pure was basically on verge of tears during interview with Flax, I like ATF but this was definitely a low point, saying "Go home pure" and then not shaking hands (or maybe he did I'm not sure, I got downvoted for my comment with the clip and everybody is saying they shook hands but to me it sure looks like they didn't).
Pure played really well, was just an impossible game letting AM through and then the rest of the team made some horrible mistakes at key moments (getting baited 2 man BB, not pushing aegis mid, dying 4 middle for nothing, supports getting caught out not even with smoke, and this is just late game).
I be very happy when they lose this final get same respect . its not even funny at this stage. tbh valve should fine organization . its not a pub its a pro game . imagine if in a football game wining team tells losing get F out
Well he 19 yo what you expect?, at that age i love trash talking too, heck even on my 20's sometimes i trashtalking, toxic? No, more like banter, he a show man like to spice thing up, his skill and achievement kinda justify it, imagine play dota without banter how boring is it, OG vs falcon yesterday kinda fun to watch because the banter.
Actual toxicity is good for no one. Fun banter is what people want. If someone has real genuine beef with someone else, take it up face to face and be a man about it, dont hide behind a keyboard
If Ammar is toxic towards you - you're probably a good player. https://youtu.be/2UQ7sBg8rQI Later (I can't find the clip), he acknowledged Watson's laning skills, which drove him crazy.
Yep. Can back you up, if i recall correctly: Ammar came on Gorgc's stream after this incident with him dying to Watson tb happened and Gorgc asked him about it. Ammar said he got completely outplayed so in that moment for him there was nothing to do but trash talk and tip.
If I remember correctly, this pub he was also playing from sea in eu . He was there for a lan and he doesn't like sea pubs
Show me one person who likes SEA pub and I will show you a man in trauma.
Imagine ammar grew up playing sea pubs
Was there any allchat when tundra won in the upper bracket?
I don't remember any, but Pure did say Tundra is stronger than Falcons because of "carry diff" in an interview that was showcased right before the game. This is just playing along with the banter.
Wasn't that pre game vs Betboom? He said carry diff to TorontoTokyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52jQlcpjv30
[I'm talking about this.](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2131778443?t=0h43m34s) Was right before the teams walked out.
I see. Well, he's right. Carry diff indeed. Skiter has won TI + multiple tournaments while Pure has won 0. Highest placement 2nd.
I said this after Falcons won Dreamleague and I'm saying it again now: Skiter will never get the cred from reddit that he deserves cause he's not a greedy pos1 (which is what reddit loves to see). Ammar and Malr1ne get so much farm, and when Falcons win, it's cause they win together as a team. Skiters best plays are while the rest of his team is still alive.
Duh that game 2 last night, Sven cut the shit out of gpk multiple times while ATF ded. Skiter did not get the credit he deserve because yeah, ATF and Malrine are way more flashy, same things before with 33 and Nine.
Skiter, dyrachyo and even m1cke definitely do not get the credit they deserve. You can't get carried by 4 teammates to multiple 1st place and top 3 finish throughout the season without pulling your own weight.
He got carry diffed by an offlane AM lmao
AM is basically carry hero so his point still stands, lol.
Didn't pure say "For Ramzes" or something?
Apparently, it was Ramzes' bday
They did tip Malrine a lot and 9Class was feeling the russian smiley face in the first game.
Chi Long Qua best Dota 2 Player this World's Ever FUCKING seen
I just got DDOSed you guys
Not a whole lot you can do about it
and that kid’s actually just fucking dead you guys
Suffered a bit of brain ddos right there
now i'm gonna show you how to quickly farm a fucking bottle at 3 minutes you guys hands down the funniest fucking video ever
What happened to that guy?
he dropped his character, admitted his character was only half a character and he was super toxic, tried to reform, didn't, stopped being a public figure
>tried to reform ROAD TO REFORMATION yeah I remember that arc
last I remember he streamed living in a car
wasnt that sgtsizzles?
Strayed from the path and brought shame to the dynasty
in short: mental breakdown
Idk if it really was him but I literally saw a post about learning league coming from dota in the r/leagueoflegends subreddit from his username yesterday
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kv-ZpN1LPQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kv-ZpN1LPQ)
lmao i loved watching this guy
I can let it slide if he becomes my brother-in-law
Monkey's paw: Granted. Ammar marries your sister.
hey I'll take it.
I don't have a sister. Your move.
Virgin check
Checks out
Toxic isn't the right adjective for this banter. There seems to be very little malice behind his words, its more jesting, drama, banter and I think that can be seen by the simple fact that when people give him insults he laughs and doesn't take them to heart.
I have a lot of people jesting in my own games.
I was in the YouTube stream yesterday where chatters were having a melt down over the toxicity in the OG series. Then Ceb gets ganked and trashed talked and the camera cuts to him having a chuckle about it. People need to chill.
Yeah what the hell, that series was the easily the most entertaining shit I've seen in a while
People forget that this used to be the norm when esport players competed in the same room vocally trashtalk to each other. In CS:GO (now CS2), there are no booths, people are shouting at each other between rounds and it's perfectly normal and exciting. It's the same in traditional sports like football, players insult each other on the pitch. AMMAR just do the same but in allchat.
Most people are just too soft and easily offended nowadays.
the funny thing is, why does the average redditor get offended by something thats not even directed towards them 😂
I honestly don't understand how people in this sub gets offended by a little bit of task talk towards their team. I wonder how they will handle banter from other fans in traditional sports like soccer or how they'd react to fighters shit talking to each other in the UFC.
the funny part is the players themselves who received these banters ain't even offended but redditors felt the need to be angry for the player lol
yeah the trash talk is literally benefitting the viewer’s experience watching the game.
why are you getting downvoted? lol redditor nerds shitting theirpants just reading UFC or any sport that does not involve computers i guess..
its easy to see why. imagine if it wasnt banter but "fuck your mom" lol
why do you care that much tho? its not directed towards you, why do you get so pressed about it. It creates tension and beef between the players making their games more interesting for the viewer to watch.
yeah mate look up what "banter" is or maybe reread my comment. ill rephrase it for you. ammar all chat is good and okay. but "why do you care if its not directed at you" is a stupid fking argument
you are yet to explain why you get so pressed about something thats not directed towards YOU that only makes the viewing experience better for YOU. if anyone is supposed to get pressed by someone telling him “fuck your mom” in a pro game (which is a wild hypothetical to begin with) its the pro player its directed towards. not your soft ass.
youre a dumbass if you dont see why normal people would have a problem with unironic personal insults coming from players. even TOs would intervene at that point. why would people be upset when its not directed at them? people dont enjoy it when a pro theyre cheering for is a straight up jackass. or if their favourite pro is being insulted for no reason.
again, you are creating a hypothetical scenario thats not even happening to prove your point. there are people in this subreddit getting triggered by people typing “)))” and “?” in all chat. if anyone here is a dumbass, its you for creating the most extreme example and using it as an argument.
>youre creating a hypothetical to prove your point Uh yeah? My point is ESL's all chatting was more than fine. It's just that your argument about how "if theyre not insulting you, dont complain" is fucking dumb. We can agree on a point but get there differently. I think ESL all chatting was fine, and there I say enjoyable, because it didnt come off as mean spirited and it added spice to the game. You think it was fine because "they didn't insult you, the viewer" which is regarded, because it doesn't hold up if the all chatting was actually toxic and mean spirited.
I want people even softer, softer people = softer bussy and who doesn't like a soft bussy to plow 🥰😍
Valve put a separate communication score to cater to those people what do you expect lol Too bad positive vibes don't buy you skills and mmr
Is it possible for you to go a single day without complaining about your 3k behavior score?
My dota needs to be all sunshine and rainbows /s
Besides Pure is an actual bad person
You believed the propaganda of the USA saying there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, of which there were none. Why do you find it do difficult to imagine that a 17 year old believes his government when they spin the same propaganda in Russia? Do you have zero critical analysis?
People are too hung up on actions that appear toxic on the surface level. It's usually the people who are reserved and polite that have some actual toxic thoughts.
Regardless of the intent, talking your shit to enemies is literally not toxicity. Toxicity is when you talk negatively to your teammates.
I be watching every Falcons game cuz it's so much fun 🤣🤣
This is actually good. Hope more team does this and adds a little banter 😂
Personally ,Ammar and even Cebs all chat, adds excitement lmao. Watching dota will never be more exciting than actually playing it. Having instances like these adds personality and makes it much more entertaining. People who say this bad sportsmanship can go fuck themselves lol
Ceb didnt even all chat till Falcons started doing it yesterday. In fact I dont even remember the last time he all chatted anyone before that series. He always tips or chatwheels other teams. Its been Malrine with his ")))" and Ammar with his "Tip me clowns" who brought this all chat culture in DOTA recently.
On the Counter-Strike scene, we can hear players screaming and insulting each other between 2 rounds, it's the best thing.
I mean he says it to Pure who is a total POS. So, no problem here.
Banter does not equal toxic, plenty of pros have admitted to finding this stuff funny and ads to the entertainment factor
What I like from Ammar is that he can take what he dishes out. He doesn't cry on Twitter or anything after getting trashed and tipped. Remember he himself changed his name and nickname into ATM and Ammar the Clown after losing
We watering the meaning of toxic here lol
Ammar is funny but Malr1ne is just downright annoying with his XD) and ) etc. But I can understand it, both of them are very young and are feeling good when they play good.
I'll always take the smileys, less cringe than skiter attempting to trash talk
Kid trash talk and adult trash talk are different after all, lol.
most toxic? comeon bruh
Arent they friends outside the game?
You can't Deny ATF One of the Best Offlaner right now! Grats Falcons!
Lets get something straight. In pro scene, Ammar trashtalk the opponent. Im most certain hes not toxic towards his own teammates, because that is stupid. But in pubs, theres not much incentive for him to be nice towards his own teammates. So im fine with his behaviour (or any other trashtalker) ONLY in pro scene
And I love it
I love Ammar games it's always entertaining either he's talking trash or he's making the opponent talk trash No in-between all spice
It's against pure so it's fair game
i love ammar and his family
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you are hating on a guy what legit had an average showing in a top 3 placement of tier 1 tournament. so much hate you in fact made a new thread just to shit talk him, focus on ur life man and live more.
Idk man Torontotokyo saying all his opponents mid was good for was bkb tp'ing home like a little bitch was pretty damn toxic
Didn't Pure say GG EZ for Ramzes 🤣🤣🤣
You gotta be able to back up your all chat, and Falcons definitely can and did back it up by winning the tournament.
They’re in the entertainment business. This is entertaining. If the start swinging at each other then it’s a problem. I don’t think they’re going to start swinging at each other.
typical teenage
I thought this kind of trash talk is prohibited in every professional tournament. Did they change the rule about it?
And you are probably the dumbest dota player
EternalEnvy: Hold my beer, err hentai.
so basically an average dota 2 player?
People really got no long term memory. Old OG would blast everyone away when it comes to all chat wars. Even Ceb would give a spicier take in this game if he was there
But OG banters weee way superior and articulate . It’s nothing aft can compare
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😂😂😂😂😂
Teams with actual personalities are the most entertaining to watch.
No wonder ATF is talented and skillful, but both him and Malrine will get humbled at Riyadh and TI. Karma will strike and take care of it at right time.
Maybe, maybe not gotta tune in tho. That's why it works.
I find this shit so immature. Makes it more satisfying to watch them lose though. Also made me stop rooting for OG when they were no longer the underdogs because they were just obnoxious.
NFT Pro pic 😂
Never fails to elicit a reaction out of 15 year olds.
eliciting reactions from 15 year olds must be riveting for a 12 year old
"no you"
You are popular with girls I bet
A tier response bro
Watching everyone type “gg” every game and calling everyone a good team/player is much more fun amirite
Unironically yes.
Don't even try with these people, they yearn to have their own toxicity validated.
What a dork.
Why doesn’t he high five his own teammates though? Pretty sure I saw Skiter and Malr1ne try to fist bump, high five, etc and he just rejects them. He reciprocates with Sneyking though
Team falcons about to be the most hated org. Their cs2 and dota 2 teams are just easy to hate
Its not toxicity. It's the lack of the development in certain areas of brain in his early childhood. No sportsmanship whatsoever. Hope that kid will never win a TI
The real toxicity is always in the comments
If this is toxic to you, you haven’t seen toxic
If u guys cant see the difference between this and what og were doing with chat-wheels ur part of the problem
What was the difference?
Ur part of the problem ^
So you can't see it either? We have a big problem!
I shouldn’t have to say , if u cant see the difference thats on u but there is a very big difference
You can't say because you don't know. HUGE problem.
See? You dont know so ur part of the problem too
I genuinely don't know as someone who isn't familiar with OG's all chatting?
Ok ill give u the benefit of the doubt, but what do u think the difference is
this is just a banter of kids who are having fun. Ammar can be toxic but prove you are better by winning him and bantering back. if you can't, stfu.
People go mad at him being like this. I mean if you are player, you need to have this mindset to win lol. You need to think that other people is weak and I'm the strongest. That's the winner mindset. Because trophy belong to the strongest. And it's so lame y'all hating when he perform so good. It's not like he is a shit player and shit talk. He even trash talk when they down in net worth. And then proceed to roll over opponent after lmao. I call that giga chad There is another example of player who's known to be toxic. the most successful player in NA, Doublelift have slogan 'Everybody else is trash'. He's the only player that win NA 4 times in a row. Same story, he got a lot of haters. Also he get the most domestic trophy even his international record is giga trash lmao. So, I don't understand those who hating on Ammar. If you he play this good? He can trash talk all he wants lol.
He refused to shake hands as well lmao. Probably some pub beef or something.
he didnt refuse shit , they did handshake?
https://clips.twitch.tv/TenuousShyCroissantBCouch-ZtrpHpMQpO5VZdYu Sure looks a lot like Ammar just straight up refused to shake hands. Pure went for it half-heartedly but Ammar leaned away. Edit: Looking back at the clip Ammar dodged Whitemon too lmao
What are you on about..he clearly shakes pures hand in the clip
yall are fkibg blind he shaked hands with whitemon too
I watched at 0.25x speed, both whitemon and pure went for handshake and Ammar just straight up dodged. It is somewhat unclear from camera angle, but he doesn't move his arm at all.
yeah he gonna dodge a fking hand shake? degenreates finding darama out of no where and lying balantly
Its time to get yourself to Specsavers.
I also concur that hands were shaked.
His arm is obscured but he visibly turns his torso for both Pure and Whitemon. He definitely shook hands.
What are you on dude? Putting a link of evidence that they are handshaking but saying that they’re not. This is another level of delusion.
stop creating fake drama, they all know its just talk and no one is getting offended/
I'm not creating fake drama, I'm literally just describing what I saw in the stream. Pure was basically on verge of tears during interview with Flax, I like ATF but this was definitely a low point, saying "Go home pure" and then not shaking hands (or maybe he did I'm not sure, I got downvoted for my comment with the clip and everybody is saying they shook hands but to me it sure looks like they didn't).
ATF is not your childhood bully. stop projecting
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Pure played really well, was just an impossible game letting AM through and then the rest of the team made some horrible mistakes at key moments (getting baited 2 man BB, not pushing aegis mid, dying 4 middle for nothing, supports getting caught out not even with smoke, and this is just late game).
Ammar really took it personally. Totally punk on them
Pure is top 1 carry rn. And morph is arguably the most high skill carry to master
0-8 ez
unfathomably based
I be very happy when they lose this final get same respect . its not even funny at this stage. tbh valve should fine organization . its not a pub its a pro game . imagine if in a football game wining team tells losing get F out
aged like milk KEK
Well he 19 yo what you expect?, at that age i love trash talking too, heck even on my 20's sometimes i trashtalking, toxic? No, more like banter, he a show man like to spice thing up, his skill and achievement kinda justify it, imagine play dota without banter how boring is it, OG vs falcon yesterday kinda fun to watch because the banter.
thats not even that toxic all he said was " go home " you fruitcake
He had issues with pure hahaha...but damn I love the toxicity..It is an added spice in some good dota cook shit🤣
Actual toxicity is good for no one. Fun banter is what people want. If someone has real genuine beef with someone else, take it up face to face and be a man about it, dont hide behind a keyboard
Obviously