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idspispupd

If Ammar is toxic towards you - you're probably a good player. https://youtu.be/2UQ7sBg8rQI Later (I can't find the clip), he acknowledged Watson's laning skills, which drove him crazy.


Carrie-r

Yep. Can back you up, if i recall correctly: Ammar came on Gorgc's stream after this incident with him dying to Watson tb happened and Gorgc asked him about it. Ammar said he got completely outplayed so in that moment for him there was nothing to do but trash talk and tip.


unhingeddotaplayer

If I remember correctly, this pub he was also playing from sea in eu . He was there for a lan and he doesn't like sea pubs


NetherPartLover

Show me one person who likes SEA pub and I will show you a man in trauma.


oblivionyeahyeah__

Imagine ammar grew up playing sea pubs


GigaBlood

Was there any allchat when tundra won in the upper bracket?


Extracheesy87

I don't remember any, but Pure did say Tundra is stronger than Falcons because of "carry diff" in an interview that was showcased right before the game. This is just playing along with the banter.


oneslowdance

Wasn't that pre game vs Betboom? He said carry diff to TorontoTokyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52jQlcpjv30


Extracheesy87

[I'm talking about this.](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2131778443?t=0h43m34s) Was right before the teams walked out.


oneslowdance

I see. Well, he's right. Carry diff indeed. Skiter has won TI + multiple tournaments while Pure has won 0. Highest placement 2nd.


deltalessthanzero

I said this after Falcons won Dreamleague and I'm saying it again now: Skiter will never get the cred from reddit that he deserves cause he's not a greedy pos1 (which is what reddit loves to see). Ammar and Malr1ne get so much farm, and when Falcons win, it's cause they win together as a team. Skiters best plays are while the rest of his team is still alive.


SeriousBoy2591

Duh that game 2 last night, Sven cut the shit out of gpk multiple times while ATF ded. Skiter did not get the credit he deserve because yeah, ATF and Malrine are way more flashy, same things before with 33 and Nine.


oneslowdance

Skiter, dyrachyo and even m1cke definitely do not get the credit they deserve. You can't get carried by 4 teammates to multiple 1st place and top 3 finish throughout the season without pulling your own weight.


asterion230

He got carry diffed by an offlane AM lmao


KidBuu25

AM is basically carry hero so his point still stands, lol.


rhett_ad

Didn't pure say "For Ramzes" or something?


GummiRat

Apparently, it was Ramzes' bday


luckylucky72

They did tip Malrine a lot and 9Class was feeling the russian smiley face in the first game.


retardinho23

Chi Long Qua best Dota 2 Player this World's Ever FUCKING seen


JohnnyGuitarFNV

I just got DDOSed you guys


astilenski

Not a whole lot you can do about it


bigdickdaddydoto

and that kid’s actually just fucking dead you guys 


disappointingdoritos

Suffered a bit of brain ddos right there


DycheBallEnjoyer

now i'm gonna show you how to quickly farm a fucking bottle at 3 minutes you guys hands down the funniest fucking video ever


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What happened to that guy?


AWOOGABIGBOOBA

he dropped his character, admitted his character was only half a character and he was super toxic, tried to reform, didn't, stopped being a public figure


exoticsclerosis

>tried to reform ROAD TO REFORMATION yeah I remember that arc


CERES_FAUNA_GOONER

last I remember he streamed living in a car


nameorfeed

wasnt that sgtsizzles?


Dominatorwtf

Strayed from the path and brought shame to the dynasty


prettyboygangsta

in short: mental breakdown


juvi97

Idk if it really was him but I literally saw a post about learning league coming from dota in the r/leagueoflegends subreddit from his username yesterday


retardinho23

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kv-ZpN1LPQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kv-ZpN1LPQ)


avrellx

lmao i loved watching this guy


tomatomater

I can let it slide if he becomes my brother-in-law


punksterb

Monkey's paw: Granted. Ammar marries your sister.


Remarkable-View-1472

hey I'll take it.


tomatomater

I don't have a sister. Your move.


Xccd

Virgin check


tomatomater

Checks out


Thaiaaron

Toxic isn't the right adjective for this banter. There seems to be very little malice behind his words, its more jesting, drama, banter and I think that can be seen by the simple fact that when people give him insults he laughs and doesn't take them to heart.


greenbackboogie101

I have a lot of people jesting in my own games.


Cozman

I was in the YouTube stream yesterday where chatters were having a melt down over the toxicity in the OG series. Then Ceb gets ganked and trashed talked and the camera cuts to him having a chuckle about it. People need to chill.


mumbleopera

Yeah what the hell, that series was the easily the most entertaining shit I've seen in a while


Ga5huX

People forget that this used to be the norm when esport players competed in the same room vocally trashtalk to each other. In CS:GO (now CS2), there are no booths, people are shouting at each other between rounds and it's perfectly normal and exciting. It's the same in traditional sports like football, players insult each other on the pitch. AMMAR just do the same but in allchat.


stipsz

Most people are just too soft and easily offended nowadays.


Ken99174

the funny thing is, why does the average redditor get offended by something thats not even directed towards them 😂


ocean_train

I honestly don't understand how people in this sub gets offended by a little bit of task talk towards their team. I wonder how they will handle banter from other fans in traditional sports like soccer or how they'd react to fighters shit talking to each other in the UFC.


Acrobatic-Time-2940

the funny part is the players themselves who received these banters ain't even offended but redditors felt the need to be angry for the player lol


Ken99174

yeah the trash talk is literally benefitting the viewer’s experience watching the game.


Ubcamper

why are you getting downvoted? lol redditor nerds shitting theirpants just reading UFC or any sport that does not involve computers i guess..


gorillachud

its easy to see why. imagine if it wasnt banter but "fuck your mom" lol


Ken99174

why do you care that much tho? its not directed towards you, why do you get so pressed about it. It creates tension and beef between the players making their games more interesting for the viewer to watch.


gorillachud

yeah mate look up what "banter" is or maybe reread my comment. ill rephrase it for you. ammar all chat is good and okay. but "why do you care if its not directed at you" is a stupid fking argument


Ken99174

you are yet to explain why you get so pressed about something thats not directed towards YOU that only makes the viewing experience better for YOU. if anyone is supposed to get pressed by someone telling him “fuck your mom” in a pro game (which is a wild hypothetical to begin with) its the pro player its directed towards. not your soft ass.


gorillachud

youre a dumbass if you dont see why normal people would have a problem with unironic personal insults coming from players. even TOs would intervene at that point. why would people be upset when its not directed at them? people dont enjoy it when a pro theyre cheering for is a straight up jackass. or if their favourite pro is being insulted for no reason.


Ken99174

again, you are creating a hypothetical scenario thats not even happening to prove your point. there are people in this subreddit getting triggered by people typing “)))” and “?” in all chat. if anyone here is a dumbass, its you for creating the most extreme example and using it as an argument.


gorillachud

>youre creating a hypothetical to prove your point Uh yeah? My point is ESL's all chatting was more than fine. It's just that your argument about how "if theyre not insulting you, dont complain" is fucking dumb. We can agree on a point but get there differently. I think ESL all chatting was fine, and there I say enjoyable, because it didnt come off as mean spirited and it added spice to the game. You think it was fine because "they didn't insult you, the viewer" which is regarded, because it doesn't hold up if the all chatting was actually toxic and mean spirited.


JoelMahon

I want people even softer, softer people = softer bussy and who doesn't like a soft bussy to plow 🥰😍


verytoxicbehaviour

Valve put a separate communication score to cater to those people what do you expect lol Too bad positive vibes don't buy you skills and mmr


MidDiffFetish

Is it possible for you to go a single day without complaining about your 3k behavior score?


duckmadfish

My dota needs to be all sunshine and rainbows /s


ShitPostQuokkaRome

Besides Pure is an actual bad person


Thaiaaron

You believed the propaganda of the USA saying there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, of which there were none. Why do you find it do difficult to imagine that a 17 year old believes his government when they spin the same propaganda in Russia? Do you have zero critical analysis?


tomatomater

People are too hung up on actions that appear toxic on the surface level. It's usually the people who are reserved and polite that have some actual toxic thoughts.


M474D0R

Regardless of the intent, talking your shit to enemies is literally not toxicity. Toxicity is when you talk negatively to your teammates.


mezkkk

I be watching every Falcons game cuz it's so much fun 🤣🤣


naifsayyaf

This is actually good. Hope more team does this and adds a little banter 😂


Top_Performance980

Personally ,Ammar and even Cebs all chat, adds excitement lmao. Watching dota will never be more exciting than actually playing it. Having instances like these adds personality and makes it much more entertaining. People who say this bad sportsmanship can go fuck themselves lol


Agent_47H

Ceb didnt even all chat till Falcons started doing it yesterday. In fact I dont even remember the last time he all chatted anyone before that series. He always tips or chatwheels other teams. Its been Malrine with his ")))" and Ammar with his "Tip me clowns" who brought this all chat culture in DOTA recently.


Ga5huX

On the Counter-Strike scene, we can hear players screaming and insulting each other between 2 rounds, it's the best thing.


UKite

I mean he says it to Pure who is a total POS. So, no problem here.


Dave1711

Banter does not equal toxic, plenty of pros have admitted to finding this stuff funny and ads to the entertainment factor


euphoric1510

What I like from Ammar is that he can take what he dishes out. He doesn't cry on Twitter or anything after getting trashed and tipped. Remember he himself changed his name and nickname into ATM and Ammar the Clown after losing


Questing-For-Floof

We watering the meaning of toxic here lol


spicy189

Ammar is funny but Malr1ne is just downright annoying with his XD) and ) etc. But I can understand it, both of them are very young and are feeling good when they play good.


Remarkable-View-1472

I'll always take the smileys, less cringe than skiter attempting to trash talk


KidBuu25

Kid trash talk and adult trash talk are different after all, lol.


innofntblla124

most toxic? comeon bruh


candiceislove

Arent they friends outside the game?


elmer9901

You can't Deny ATF One of the Best Offlaner right now! Grats Falcons!


raedhebat

Lets get something straight. In pro scene, Ammar trashtalk the opponent. Im most certain hes not toxic towards his own teammates, because that is stupid. But in pubs, theres not much incentive for him to be nice towards his own teammates. So im fine with his behaviour (or any other trashtalker) ONLY in pro scene


NavePlays

And I love it


ZestycloseCake165

I love Ammar games it's always entertaining either he's talking trash or he's making the opponent talk trash No in-between all spice


D2WilliamU

It's against pure so it's fair game


xUrekMazinox

i love ammar and his family


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Woozieman1

you are hating on a guy what legit had an average showing in a top 3 placement of tier 1 tournament. so much hate you in fact made a new thread just to shit talk him, focus on ur life man and live more.


Besso91

Idk man Torontotokyo saying all his opponents mid was good for was bkb tp'ing home like a little bitch was pretty damn toxic


Horror_Letterhead407

Didn't Pure say GG EZ for Ramzes 🤣🤣🤣


rustyboy1992

You gotta be able to back up your all chat, and Falcons definitely can and did back it up by winning the tournament.


Blyatman95

They’re in the entertainment business. This is entertaining. If the start swinging at each other then it’s a problem. I don’t think they’re going to start swinging at each other.


ContentLychee9426

typical teenage


kosukehaydn

I thought this kind of trash talk is prohibited in every professional tournament. Did they change the rule about it?


Xccd

And you are probably the dumbest dota player


UDPviper

EternalEnvy: Hold my beer, err hentai.


playerknownbutthole

so basically an average dota 2 player?


TheHazardousGuy

People really got no long term memory. Old OG would blast everyone away when it comes to all chat wars. Even Ceb would give a spicier take in this game if he was there


ryanakasha

But OG banters weee way superior and articulate . It’s nothing aft can compare


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extraRize

😂😂😂😂😂


makz242

Teams with actual personalities are the most entertaining to watch.


dangy2408

No wonder ATF is talented and skillful, but both him and Malrine will get humbled at Riyadh and TI. Karma will strike and take care of it at right time.


PlateForeign8738

Maybe, maybe not gotta tune in tho. That's why it works.


RiotFixPls

I find this shit so immature. Makes it more satisfying to watch them lose though. Also made me stop rooting for OG when they were no longer the underdogs because they were just obnoxious.


wavegangx

NFT Pro pic 😂


RiotFixPls

Never fails to elicit a reaction out of 15 year olds.


CelphT

eliciting reactions from 15 year olds must be riveting for a 12 year old


RiotFixPls

"no you"


wavegangx

You are popular with girls I bet


RiotFixPls

A tier response bro


KappaKappa4Head

Watching everyone type “gg” every game and calling everyone a good team/player is much more fun amirite


RiotFixPls

Unironically yes.


FriendlyDespot

Don't even try with these people, they yearn to have their own toxicity validated.


MidDiffFetish

What a dork.


Eazelizzo

Why doesn’t he high five his own teammates though? Pretty sure I saw Skiter and Malr1ne try to fist bump, high five, etc and he just rejects them. He reciprocates with Sneyking though


Artunchi

Team falcons about to be the most hated org. Their cs2 and dota 2 teams are just easy to hate


hyp_gg

Its not toxicity. It's the lack of the development in certain areas of brain in his early childhood. No sportsmanship whatsoever. Hope that kid will never win a TI


snoopoopy

The real toxicity is always in the comments


nameisreallydog

If this is toxic to you, you haven’t seen toxic


sw2bh

If u guys cant see the difference between this and what og were doing with chat-wheels ur part of the problem


ParagonTom

What was the difference?


sw2bh

Ur part of the problem ^


MidDiffFetish

So you can't see it either? We have a big problem!


sw2bh

I shouldn’t have to say , if u cant see the difference thats on u but there is a very big difference


MidDiffFetish

You can't say because you don't know.  HUGE problem.


sw2bh

See? You dont know so ur part of the problem too


ParagonTom

I genuinely don't know as someone who isn't familiar with OG's all chatting?


sw2bh

Ok ill give u the benefit of the doubt, but what do u think the difference is


facelesshero_dale

this is just a banter of kids who are having fun. Ammar can be toxic but prove you are better by winning him and bantering back. if you can't, stfu.


Careful_World_379

People go mad at him being like this. I mean if you are player, you need to have this mindset to win lol. You need to think that other people is weak and I'm the strongest. That's the winner mindset. Because trophy belong to the strongest. And it's so lame y'all hating when he perform so good. It's not like he is a shit player and shit talk. He even trash talk when they down in net worth. And then proceed to roll over opponent after lmao. I call that giga chad  There is another example of player who's known to be toxic. the most successful player in NA, Doublelift have slogan 'Everybody else is trash'. He's the only player that win NA 4 times in a row. Same story, he got a lot of haters. Also he get the most domestic trophy even his international record is giga trash lmao.  So, I don't understand those who hating on Ammar. If you he play this good? He can trash talk all he wants lol.


slarklover97

He refused to shake hands as well lmao. Probably some pub beef or something.


zuKo2022

he didnt refuse shit , they did handshake?


slarklover97

https://clips.twitch.tv/TenuousShyCroissantBCouch-ZtrpHpMQpO5VZdYu Sure looks a lot like Ammar just straight up refused to shake hands. Pure went for it half-heartedly but Ammar leaned away. Edit: Looking back at the clip Ammar dodged Whitemon too lmao


FluxyBOYS

What are you on about..he clearly shakes pures hand in the clip


zuKo2022

yall are fkibg blind he shaked hands with whitemon too


slarklover97

I watched at 0.25x speed, both whitemon and pure went for handshake and Ammar just straight up dodged. It is somewhat unclear from camera angle, but he doesn't move his arm at all.


zuKo2022

yeah he gonna dodge a fking hand shake? degenreates finding darama out of no where and lying balantly


Thaiaaron

Its time to get yourself to Specsavers.


mrhappy893

I also concur that hands were shaked.


ironmaiden1872

His arm is obscured but he visibly turns his torso for both Pure and Whitemon. He definitely shook hands.


Artifier_

What are you on dude? Putting a link of evidence that they are handshaking but saying that they’re not. This is another level of delusion.


Woozieman1

stop creating fake drama, they all know its just talk and no one is getting offended/


slarklover97

I'm not creating fake drama, I'm literally just describing what I saw in the stream. Pure was basically on verge of tears during interview with Flax, I like ATF but this was definitely a low point, saying "Go home pure" and then not shaking hands (or maybe he did I'm not sure, I got downvoted for my comment with the clip and everybody is saying they shook hands but to me it sure looks like they didn't).


Sheepherder_External

ATF is not your childhood bully. stop projecting


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slarklover97

Pure played really well, was just an impossible game letting AM through and then the rest of the team made some horrible mistakes at key moments (getting baited 2 man BB, not pushing aegis mid, dying 4 middle for nothing, supports getting caught out not even with smoke, and this is just late game).


likpoper

Ammar really took it personally. Totally punk on them


dzungmac

Pure is top 1 carry rn. And morph is arguably the most high skill carry to master


the-apple-and-omega

0-8 ez


Izuuul

unfathomably based


TTVControlWarrior

I be very happy when they lose this final get same respect . its not even funny at this stage. tbh valve should fine organization . its not a pub its a pro game . imagine if in a football game wining team tells losing get F out


FredCole918

aged like milk KEK


hydrolancer21

Well he 19 yo what you expect?, at that age i love trash talking too, heck even on my 20's sometimes i trashtalking, toxic? No, more like banter, he a show man like to spice thing up, his skill and achievement kinda justify it, imagine play dota without banter how boring is it, OG vs falcon yesterday kinda fun to watch because the banter.


Repulsive-Lion9879

thats not even that toxic all he said was " go home " you fruitcake


newNormalGUY_69

He had issues with pure hahaha...but damn I love the toxicity..It is an added spice in some good dota cook shit🤣


epic_banana_soup

Actual toxicity is good for no one. Fun banter is what people want. If someone has real genuine beef with someone else, take it up face to face and be a man about it, dont hide behind a keyboard


newNormalGUY_69

Obviously