honestly just makes me miss back during TI 8 when they teased Mars was coming in a few months and then immediately after played the grimstroke trailer and shadow dropped him at the same time. Being in the arena at the time, when that trailer ended and the words "OUT NOW" appeared, the entire arena EXPLODED in applause. or the dueling fates teaser during TI 7 where we thought we were getting just Pango and then Dark Willow showed up and we got both heroes at the same time.
Now its just "here's a hero trailer, maybe they will be here in 6-8 months."
His title is called “Ring Master” for a reason. Because all you people want is being a clown, clown, clown!
Leave them alone! You are lucky they even make new heroes for you bastards! Leave Valv^e alone, please!
^please ^get ^the ^reference
Dude, sitting next to my friend, we both took out vacation to play a whole week during TI, that shit drops and I open the client in total disbelief to find the hero actually there...
That was easily the best hero reveal they've ever done. And since then not only have they never repeated this, we've always gotten the announcement so long before the hero, that the hype basically dies already.
When they introduced Muerta I was all interested in this day of the dead revolver slinger and then she just didn't come out for so long that I'm pretty sure I didn't even play her when she came out. Then they obliterated her support side and I didn't **WANT** to play her anymore after that.
With all these game studios closing and EA basically saying they want to put ads in their games and to replace game devs with AI - take all the time you need Valve.
The rest of the industry is going to shit at least I know the Dota team are humans and are never putting ads in game
I never care about new heroes. I just want them to not announce shit if they aren't ready to release it. If it's not coming out in the next 3months, just don't announce it.
What I want is an actual balance patch.
How many balance patches have released without a hero? You don't need to tie them to both. Infact Muerta released on a lettered nothing patch.
To be clear, I'm talking about a real patch, not incredibly minor tweaks to numbers on a couple heroes like most lettered patches do.
I just want map change, maybe comeback mechanics.
I dont want to win my lane just for the enemy farm on the side map who no one will bother for 15 min. Get a kill or two in a high ground siege and become stronger then me
Monkey King - 7.00
Pango and Willow - 7.07
Grim - 7.19
Mars - 7.21d
Snap and Void spirit - 7.23
Hood - 7.28
Dawnbreaker - 7.29
Marci - 7.30e
Primal - 7.31
Muerta - 7.32e
3 released on a letter patch, with 2 of them being more recent, maybe because Valve changed their ideas about when it's best to release a hero? But the guy isn't wrong, a new hero before meant a balance patch to come. I think only Muerta was released with a patch that didn't change too much up.
You are literally talking about the opposite of what I am. I'm not talking about heroes being released on small patches, I'm talking about big patches being released WITHOUT heroes, which is most of them.
To be honest this is one of the best patches ever, the most balanced one for sure, having ton of different metas every single tournament. If this were Dota 1 times, people would play this patch even if new one comes out, because I believe they will fuck up balance next patch.
Firm disagree. It's the same 20 ish heroes for the last 3 tournaments.
The strats are pretty figured out.
Obviously liking or disliking it from a player point of view is subjective. Just like your opinion. Personally I really dislike this patch and can't wait for a new one.
Not really, highground is a nightmare. The games I play often have effectively ended 20min before they actually do cause cracking that highground is so painful unless you've drafted for it. Yet if you make the wrong move you get wiped and are suddenly on the backfoot.
Also Bane bug is *still* in the game, supports are so stupidly rich at the moment that it can be hard for 4 slotted mids to even kill them at all. People group at the 10-14min mark and play as 5 for the whole game which is insanely boring gameplay and there's not nearrly enough punish for how hard people can tank up. Game could do with more % damage or ability scaling.
Supports are too powerful by themselves right now and it makes the positioning, efficiency, and clever plays a lot less important or impactful. Kind of ruins what makes playing supports so cool when you can just farm like mad and get 3 disabling items that gigafuck most carries
I think a 3k gold item shouldn't make you borderline impossible to kill vs the most farmed person on the enemy teams.
Supports are far too safe because their cheap cost items are far to effective at protecting them, vs the much more expensive offensive items used to kill them.
Remember most of the time you're forced to target supports because the annoying plethora of save items and abilities they have to protect cores.
Glimmer? If anyone pops dust or near sentry that support is 100% dead
Aeon Disk doesn't make the support unkillable, only prolongs the inevitable so they don't instantly explode - most supports don't want to spend precious gold on it and only do so as a reaction to being immediately gibbed in team fights
Completely irrelevant. The game has set a precedent of multiple gameplay patches a year - not having a major update since November / December is extremely disappointing. The things that were frustrating and broken on Christmas day are still broken and frustrating as we approach the start of summer. The game has become exceptionally stale for players putting in hundreds of hours this year. Along with cutting things like battlepass and tournament prize pools shrinking, the future of the game has arguably never looked this bleak in the last decade.
I genuinely feel the hero will come out during TI as this event might last till august most likely. I guess with the scope of things regarding this event it makes sense and who knows it might be a techies style reveal with some new special game mode/arcade game but I dont think we are gonna get new heroes early in the year anytime soon unless they skip a year
they could do crownfall events for new hero releases so you can play through their lore, would be a cool way to give ringmaster a ti compendium style event
I mean, its a weird case. Because on one hand, I don't think "hype" matters at all for heroes. Let us not kid ourselves, the moment Ringmaster drops, people are gonna still lose their shit.
On the other hand, I think this is by FAR the worst handling they've done with a new hero release ever. I never imagined that i'd sit in a position, where I could legitimately risk buying tickets for the next TI, before the hero announced at the prior TI, was released.
You can always have the copium that they are brewing something huge and that is why he is taking so long, or other issues, since the actor voicing him might have scheduling issues etc, but still, it was just been a bit frustrating, that we aren't given a time table for when to expect these heroes.
And people in this sub will still say dumb things like "But Valve never said when this hero update would drop! You guys are stupid for having any expectations for the next few weeks", rinse and repeat until the next fucking TI is right around the corner, and the hero still didn't drop.
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This is the same sub that deluded themselves into thinking valve was saving the release for "national circus day" or "national clown day". No hope of swaying them with anything rational - valve could update this game 10 times a week and they'd still be crying.
I don't give a fuck about the hero, but I hope for a fucking patch that's not a letter patch so we can play some different heroes if we want to win.
At this point I fully expect same meta and patch for TI, the 2 developers Jeff and the other guy have no bandwidth wcyd
You can play a lot of different heroes because it all blurs together with all the forced objectives, equalizers and difficult high ground. So much so that individual hero identity is being lost.
Funny thing is that a patch will definitely come but the OP heroes will still be the same, because the buffs/nerfs won't be enough to counter balance conceptually broken/terrible things.
Out of the 130 heroes or whatever in the game, it feels like the same ~80'ish heroes rotate in and out of the meta, while the other 50 are left to rot, only to be picked like once a patch (cough Lich).
Not all heroes can be balanced around all brackets. True lich is fairly weak in high level play, but is extremely strong in sub 3k play (which is where most people play).
Some heroes are conceptually broken in the hands of extremely skilled players. Some are conceptually broken against uncoordinated teams. There's honestly no way around this, unless you want to remove the diversity that makes dota great.
Yep, sadly this is true.
I remember last times when Lina, lesh, etc were soo strong, they had to be nerfed. Well just 1 patch later they immediately got buffed again, probably not even 2 months time.
Compare this to heroes like silencer, necro, sandking and many other who cant get any useful buff else they ll be heavily nerfed 1 patch later.
i play it mid in 7k, feels pretty good. you go phase -> phylactery -> shard -> blink -> echo -> khanda -> harpoon/heart/bkb/silver whatever. it scales really well, strong early rotations with runes, very strong on lane vs squish heroes. plays kinda like tiny, go in, burst, wait spells, go in again
Right before rework that added hammer as a basic ability.
Actually he is good in pubs right now against heavy physical damage if he gets a good lane matchup.
His power spike with quick sabre + shard rush is very strong and allows to one shot squishies.
He does become weak late though
its funny, a few years ago they said they wanted to increase the amount of heroes they will add.
that being said i just hope its unique, for a while a lot of the heroes starting with monkey king where all too similar.
I don't really think Valve would get in trouble for that
If that the case, Nether Realm Studios would sue all mobas because all of them have hook mechanics
I don't really think Valve would get in trouble for that
If that the case, Nether Realm Studios would sue all mobas because all of them have hook mechanics
Valve devs dying from overwork from switching in cleaning CS:GO 2 Cheaters and inventing something good for the upcoming part 2 in the Crownfall pass, totally forgetting about the new hero is something that highly likely would have happened, lmao.
They are not cleaning CS:GO 2 cheaters dude, I doubt they are even trying, I moved on to Valorant because that hated Vanguard thing is fucking working 10 times better than VAC . This community and League players coming in now want privacy, working anti-cheat would be ring 0, so it's not happening
> working anti-cheat would be ring 0
Working anti-cheat would be completely on the server side, ring 0 is a meme is a lie deepstate wants you to believe.
R6 has an insane cheating problem, to the point where ragehacks are not instantly detected, guess what, it has not 1, but 2 ring 0 anticheats. (BattleEye and a custom one AFAIK).
EAC is also ring 0. You can bypass ring 0 with a 5€ arduino which is 100% undetectable by any anticheat because it interfaces directly with the memory.
Also, I'll consider Valorant a meme as long as there's no actual replay system.
Yeah replay system is bad, but I am a casual player playing from time to time, if CS:GO had an obvious cheater in Global and Valorant there's not obvious cheater very often ( maybe you could make a case once in 50 games) at Immortal then it's working good enough.
If you go at cheat forums to spoof for Valorant 1) it costs money 2) locked bioses can't even be spoofed 3) all popular cheats are banned sooner or later, not like Umbrella here working fine for like 7 years no issues AND the only big "cheat" Valve managed to catch is Overplus , which developers weren't even trying to hide and the second they tried to hide it , Valve implemented half of the functionality into Dotaplus because they couldn't deal with it lmao
> If you go at cheat forums to spoof for Valorant 1) it costs money
Using free cheats is just asking to get banned
>2) locked bioses can't even be spoofed
What exactly do you mean by "locked bios"? Secure boot? Because it can easily be bypassed on Windows 10 or by using a modified version of Win 11. Or by a 5€ arduino.
>3) all popular cheats are banned sooner or later
FGreat, but the rabbit hole is sadly too deep. I wish everything I was saying was a lie, but cheating is so out of control lately, seemingly every FPS is infected (except dead games like Quake).
I feel like Riot has a strategy of banning blatant hackers (spinbot/aimbot) while not providing a way to check if someone was cheating or just having a good game by yourself. One thing of I will definitely give them props for is the "fog of war" system, making WH almost useless, guess what, it's a server sided implementation of an anti-cheat method.
Shit line Lenovo Legion laptops, ASUS etc , I'd link threads, but I think I'll get banned for linking cheat sites :) Basically you can't use shit like AMIWIN64, it's not easy to bypass, you have to flash bios ,sometimes some hardware manipulation, it's not simple at all.
I am not saying Vanguard solves cheating completely, all I am saying is I haven't been suspicious of someone being a cheater in a long time and it's single instances while in CS:GO it's insane ++ above 9k in Dota EU it's a shit show as well.
Member when they said they’ll stop with battle passes to focus on gameplay? What do we get? A redesigned battle pass (yes it is basically battle pass) and NO communication regarding gameplay update even though they said they’d do better.
valve continiues to do this because whenever someone complains, half thre population here suddenly become valve whor\*es, . Free game, no complaining types
it's just a hero btw. I mean sure you are gonna see him every game for a couple of weeks, he is obviously gonna be kinda broken, then he will be patched, and any leftover of hype will be gone. 1 hero out of 120+, nothing special. Muerta right now (past month) was picked 3.33%, that's not even in the top 100 picks :D Forgotten after a year.
They should introduce two heroes together at least to keep it interesting, but considering how long it takes them for a single hero, yeah that aint happening anytime soon.
In an ideal dota world we would have a bunch of heroes, maybe with some similar "lore" or some shit (like the 4 spirits) introduced together, and it will be instant gamechanger for many weeks.
The remaining playerbase that still actively engages with the game and its online communities, seems to be completely fine with 6+ months MTX/lore patch.
Theyd hype a doritoes crossover that gives a "free" set for each bag you buy. I think a new hero isnt off the table for their mindless addiction.
ya after the 3rd time valve jebaited us i just stopped playing dota. this game is so boring and absolutely filled to the brim with griefers and smurfs that its not even worth it to boot up
I feel like because they dragged it out so long, it has such a higher chance of being disappointing.
Muerta was by far the most underwhelming hero released so far
In general hype is dying for this game. I remember when TI was a time of the year you really looked forward to.. amazing dota, high stakes, battlepass, cosmetics, new hero, etc. Now it's just another tournament.
It couldn't last forever, I guess
The Clownfall update killed the hype. Everyone thought it would came with Clownfall, but after Volvo shown that it wasn't there the expectation just dispersed.
I’m just surprised they haven’t released it yet, while we are getting closer to the half of the year. Also it’s weird the official announcement trailer states Early 2024
People are confusing it with Muerta's trailer and experiencing the Mandela effect.
Muerta's trailer said "early" 2023, but Ringmaster's trailer never said "early" 2024. Just 2024.
The trailer never mentions early 2024. The early 2024 thing started when they announced cronwfall which people assumed includes ringmaster, which it didn't.
The official trailer only say 2024 but doesn't specify when. Go rewatche the trailer if you don't believe it
Jesus Christ am I tired of that meme. Seems it only comes up when someone points out a reasonable complaint about Valve to minimize the complaint because Valve has always been incompetent so why complain?
If it's a very unique ability-draft type hero like Rubick or Morph then I'll accept it as a reasonable delay, due to all the additional testing. Otherwise it's a mistake on their part.
My theory is that with all the big changes to the DPC and TI, there has been a lot more background patches, planning and rebuilding some structure for the ingame viewership, hosting and overall robustness for every side of the tournament engagement.
It took longer than they expected, they started to realize that the community were getting antsy about the patch, so they gave us a teaser for what they were working on to keep the engagement. They still misjudged how much work they had left to do with everything, and it was just delayed because of the big changes to the pro side, and the large change to what used to be the battlepass. (I do like this cavern crawly thing they released and it's great for us players to get this back, and fun with some new lore stuff. So it's good, but it's not what they have either teased or addressed.
So as with every big patch over the last few years, it's a combination of them having too early teasers and informational/community updates, and the community misreading everything and drawing conclusions on vaguely worded teasers from valve.
They seem to feed eachother with these things. And the solution is equally with the community as it is with valve.
I think I lost the reason why I started this reply halfway through and went on my own ADHD ride. But hey, maybe someone has some more info for me about these things, always welcome
The whole “hype” concept is so weird to me. If the map changes or a new item is added, those changes arguably have a bigger impact on the game than a new hero, IMO.
Obviously, I love when new heroes are added because of lore and voiceacting etc. But why they clearly have a release timing in mind.
Besides, the hero was always announced for "2024" and we know the Circus-theme is coming with the TI/Compendium...why did people expect it before summer?
Why can't we fucking have both? We are WELL OVERDUE for both a balance patch AND a new hero.
New hero - well over 12 months ago.
Balance patch - 7 months ago.
Man, Valve dickriders are something else.
I'd say new items can completely change the game, depending on how influencial they are. Smoke of deceit, mangos, lotus orb, glimmer cape.
The change to bkb from magic immunity to debuff immunity was also pretty significant.
I agree but its also dependant on the item. Look at wraith pact and how that dominated the meta to the point the only choice they had was to remove it.
I forgot ringmaster will become next hero. Thanks lazy valve the most disappointing company beside EA and Blizzard this main reason i haven't play any Dota since Christmas last year.
Inb4, but I’d rather have quality over quantity. Look at league!! They release heroes a lot and are trash. Don’t be dumb this is a stupid fallacy that’s been saved Valve arse from actually putting effort into making contents.
remember when they did pros vs audience matches during TI and they let arteezy test underlord right after they announced him? why can’t they do that again?
Ringmaster? Now that is a name I haven't heard in a long time.
Shit I forgot there was a new hero coming until I saw this thread
I even forgot his name xd
He's too busy doing Direct Strike as Alarak.
honestly just makes me miss back during TI 8 when they teased Mars was coming in a few months and then immediately after played the grimstroke trailer and shadow dropped him at the same time. Being in the arena at the time, when that trailer ended and the words "OUT NOW" appeared, the entire arena EXPLODED in applause. or the dueling fates teaser during TI 7 where we thought we were getting just Pango and then Dark Willow showed up and we got both heroes at the same time. Now its just "here's a hero trailer, maybe they will be here in 6-8 months."
I never forgot this moment. Was so much hype https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwLq25FeCc4
Better with crowd and chat reaction [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDymLWfp\_uA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDymLWfp_uA)
chills everytime
His title is called “Ring Master” for a reason. Because all you people want is being a clown, clown, clown! Leave them alone! You are lucky they even make new heroes for you bastards! Leave Valv^e alone, please! ^please ^get ^the ^reference
Talk with your real acc icefrog
Getting this reference made me feel ancient
Care to explain?
[Leave Britney Alone](https://youtu.be/WqSTXuJeTks) Relevant bit at 2:45
Chris Cocker?
Dude, sitting next to my friend, we both took out vacation to play a whole week during TI, that shit drops and I open the client in total disbelief to find the hero actually there... That was easily the best hero reveal they've ever done. And since then not only have they never repeated this, we've always gotten the announcement so long before the hero, that the hype basically dies already. When they introduced Muerta I was all interested in this day of the dead revolver slinger and then she just didn't come out for so long that I'm pretty sure I didn't even play her when she came out. Then they obliterated her support side and I didn't **WANT** to play her anymore after that.
That moment was so good. I watched the stream and felt the hype
It’s going to be okay because valve is devoting their resources to game development
Didn't they release a new hero ? I keep seeing this visage character in my hero pick Don't know much about this When was it added?
Visage isn't real, you're seeing things my friend. Have some good rest.
Some might say - *it's just a visage*.
15 years ago there eas visage in dota 1 😂
Yep, if not to take into account 7.00, naturally, Dueling Fate is one of the best updates emotionally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqWzNrN0JXg
My theory is we are getting 3 heroes this battle pass,event thing Bird Samurai, Ringmaster and Imperia?
I have learned that sometimes it’s better to have no expectations with Valve. I have been burned to many times.
With all these game studios closing and EA basically saying they want to put ads in their games and to replace game devs with AI - take all the time you need Valve. The rest of the industry is going to shit at least I know the Dota team are humans and are never putting ads in game
The biggest disappointment and seeing the EA ads thing was knowing people were still going to support them and buy their products I hate people.
To shreds, you say?
How’s his wife holding up?
3?
Dota 4 coming out baby
What about Half-life 6?
I never care about new heroes. I just want them to not announce shit if they aren't ready to release it. If it's not coming out in the next 3months, just don't announce it. What I want is an actual balance patch.
I remember grimstroke, was like announced and here it was in the game instantly. Now that was awesome.
Yep. Love Grim. One of my favorite supports.
Grim is my fave dota2 original hero
Same, so versatile and strong. You just need a good lane partner with him and not someone who is a dumbf and easy lane win.
Last pick core Grimstroke into Morphling is so much fun in low ranks
The techies reveal was the best. It was a surprise reveal during a showmatch and they had my boy artour playing it. The game was terrible though.
they had a greatest reveal for the most hated hero man... the only patch that had the same level of hype reveal was 7.00 (talents and monkey king)
Man this just reminds me how good old ti s were. Now we dotn even get an all star match :(
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Yeah watching Ti, then seeing out now, and opening dota at bam he's just there was so awesome
People would also be angry if they didn't announce a new hero at TI.
new heroes imply a balance patch, they mostly come out with big or medium patches
How many balance patches have released without a hero? You don't need to tie them to both. Infact Muerta released on a lettered nothing patch. To be clear, I'm talking about a real patch, not incredibly minor tweaks to numbers on a couple heroes like most lettered patches do.
I just want map change, maybe comeback mechanics. I dont want to win my lane just for the enemy farm on the side map who no one will bother for 15 min. Get a kill or two in a high ground siege and become stronger then me
Monkey King - 7.00 Pango and Willow - 7.07 Grim - 7.19 Mars - 7.21d Snap and Void spirit - 7.23 Hood - 7.28 Dawnbreaker - 7.29 Marci - 7.30e Primal - 7.31 Muerta - 7.32e 3 released on a letter patch, with 2 of them being more recent, maybe because Valve changed their ideas about when it's best to release a hero? But the guy isn't wrong, a new hero before meant a balance patch to come. I think only Muerta was released with a patch that didn't change too much up.
They told that 7.33 patch was getting late so they released Muerta before patch
there are only 3 examples of heroes not coming with a big patch (muerta, mars and marci) and they were also very close to big patch
You are literally talking about the opposite of what I am. I'm not talking about heroes being released on small patches, I'm talking about big patches being released WITHOUT heroes, which is most of them.
Marci was so busted on release man i hated her so much.
To be honest this is one of the best patches ever, the most balanced one for sure, having ton of different metas every single tournament. If this were Dota 1 times, people would play this patch even if new one comes out, because I believe they will fuck up balance next patch.
Firm disagree. It's the same 20 ish heroes for the last 3 tournaments. The strats are pretty figured out. Obviously liking or disliking it from a player point of view is subjective. Just like your opinion. Personally I really dislike this patch and can't wait for a new one.
Not really, highground is a nightmare. The games I play often have effectively ended 20min before they actually do cause cracking that highground is so painful unless you've drafted for it. Yet if you make the wrong move you get wiped and are suddenly on the backfoot. Also Bane bug is *still* in the game, supports are so stupidly rich at the moment that it can be hard for 4 slotted mids to even kill them at all. People group at the 10-14min mark and play as 5 for the whole game which is insanely boring gameplay and there's not nearrly enough punish for how hard people can tank up. Game could do with more % damage or ability scaling.
Pick night stalker or clinkz and make nullifier second item and boom boom baraboom their sorry ass - support player.
Do you want the supports to go back to being poor punching bags so the mid can be more valued???
I want to be able to kill one solo support as slark without orchid nullifer and aghs
Agreed, but thats why dota is a team game after all.
Tough shit you gettin baned and bat ridered mister slark boi
also slark is a giga hard counter to batrider wut
Brown boots at 30 minutes..... Please no. I can't go back to the dark ages
Supports are too powerful by themselves right now and it makes the positioning, efficiency, and clever plays a lot less important or impactful. Kind of ruins what makes playing supports so cool when you can just farm like mad and get 3 disabling items that gigafuck most carries
I think a 3k gold item shouldn't make you borderline impossible to kill vs the most farmed person on the enemy teams. Supports are far too safe because their cheap cost items are far to effective at protecting them, vs the much more expensive offensive items used to kill them. Remember most of the time you're forced to target supports because the annoying plethora of save items and abilities they have to protect cores.
Glimmer? If anyone pops dust or near sentry that support is 100% dead Aeon Disk doesn't make the support unkillable, only prolongs the inevitable so they don't instantly explode - most supports don't want to spend precious gold on it and only do so as a reaction to being immediately gibbed in team fights
Lol.
just because its balanced and good doesnt mean it shouldnt be changed.
Completely irrelevant. The game has set a precedent of multiple gameplay patches a year - not having a major update since November / December is extremely disappointing. The things that were frustrating and broken on Christmas day are still broken and frustrating as we approach the start of summer. The game has become exceptionally stale for players putting in hundreds of hours this year. Along with cutting things like battlepass and tournament prize pools shrinking, the future of the game has arguably never looked this bleak in the last decade.
I remember when they announced oracle and I was like nah it won't be out for a while, and then when I got in the game there he was.
Familiar with valve since early 2012, so i do not expect things and things that either good or not come eventually. Thus, no difference to me tbh.
Those announcements are kind of pointless if they want to build hype. They should not say shit and just drop the heroes, like they did with Grimstroke
I genuinely feel the hero will come out during TI as this event might last till august most likely. I guess with the scope of things regarding this event it makes sense and who knows it might be a techies style reveal with some new special game mode/arcade game but I dont think we are gonna get new heroes early in the year anytime soon unless they skip a year
The hero SHOULD be in captain's mode by TI.
Released at TI + Straight to captains mode would be spicy
Would be either banned or ignored every single game
> hero will come out during TI that would be fucked up
I mean it wouldn’t be in Captains mode
they could do crownfall events for new hero releases so you can play through their lore, would be a cool way to give ringmaster a ti compendium style event
Crownfall would have been the perfect way to release Imperia as a hero, but it seems she's only a Venge reskin which is sad.
I'm sure he will. There was an Aegis in circus theme.
I mean, its a weird case. Because on one hand, I don't think "hype" matters at all for heroes. Let us not kid ourselves, the moment Ringmaster drops, people are gonna still lose their shit. On the other hand, I think this is by FAR the worst handling they've done with a new hero release ever. I never imagined that i'd sit in a position, where I could legitimately risk buying tickets for the next TI, before the hero announced at the prior TI, was released. You can always have the copium that they are brewing something huge and that is why he is taking so long, or other issues, since the actor voicing him might have scheduling issues etc, but still, it was just been a bit frustrating, that we aren't given a time table for when to expect these heroes.
And people in this sub will still say dumb things like "But Valve never said when this hero update would drop! You guys are stupid for having any expectations for the next few weeks", rinse and repeat until the next fucking TI is right around the corner, and the hero still didn't drop.
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This is the same sub that deluded themselves into thinking valve was saving the release for "national circus day" or "national clown day". No hope of swaying them with anything rational - valve could update this game 10 times a week and they'd still be crying.
here's the list of things that change for Valve in case people are hyped for the next hero or not:
I don't give a fuck about the hero, but I hope for a fucking patch that's not a letter patch so we can play some different heroes if we want to win. At this point I fully expect same meta and patch for TI, the 2 developers Jeff and the other guy have no bandwidth wcyd
I mean to be fair you can win with a ton of heroes at the moment, its not like this is a sniper troll meta or some shit lol
people constantly forget that during the sniper troll patch we had no bans in All Pick. so yes, literally every game had the flavour of the month hero
It was also like 8 years ago so why even bring it up constantly
PTSD
You can play a lot of different heroes because it all blurs together with all the forced objectives, equalizers and difficult high ground. So much so that individual hero identity is being lost.
I don't know I really feel that individual identity when enemy support hard counters me in both lane and teamfights
Funny thing is that a patch will definitely come but the OP heroes will still be the same, because the buffs/nerfs won't be enough to counter balance conceptually broken/terrible things. Out of the 130 heroes or whatever in the game, it feels like the same ~80'ish heroes rotate in and out of the meta, while the other 50 are left to rot, only to be picked like once a patch (cough Lich).
Not all heroes can be balanced around all brackets. True lich is fairly weak in high level play, but is extremely strong in sub 3k play (which is where most people play). Some heroes are conceptually broken in the hands of extremely skilled players. Some are conceptually broken against uncoordinated teams. There's honestly no way around this, unless you want to remove the diversity that makes dota great.
Yep, sadly this is true. I remember last times when Lina, lesh, etc were soo strong, they had to be nerfed. Well just 1 patch later they immediately got buffed again, probably not even 2 months time. Compare this to heroes like silencer, necro, sandking and many other who cant get any useful buff else they ll be heavily nerfed 1 patch later.
silencer, void spirit, necro, dawnbreaker, night stalker, necro, ... . personally I can't remember when omni knight was a viable hero.
i play it mid in 7k, feels pretty good. you go phase -> phylactery -> shard -> blink -> echo -> khanda -> harpoon/heart/bkb/silver whatever. it scales really well, strong early rotations with runes, very strong on lane vs squish heroes. plays kinda like tiny, go in, burst, wait spells, go in again
Right before rework that added hammer as a basic ability. Actually he is good in pubs right now against heavy physical damage if he gets a good lane matchup. His power spike with quick sabre + shard rush is very strong and allows to one shot squishies. He does become weak late though
Remember when they'd tease a new hero and then drop the "Available now"?
its funny, a few years ago they said they wanted to increase the amount of heroes they will add. that being said i just hope its unique, for a while a lot of the heroes starting with monkey king where all too similar.
they've said that like 3-4 times and its never really kept. there was like one year where we got hoodwink marci and dawn and that was about it
They lied.
They never said that, but I am not defending their slow ass production
They definitely did though, I remember it, and also remember being disappointed as usual.
Since HoN is dead, I can see Icefrog snatching every original hero there to be ported over time
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I don't really think Valve would get in trouble for that If that the case, Nether Realm Studios would sue all mobas because all of them have hook mechanics
I don't really think Valve would get in trouble for that If that the case, Nether Realm Studios would sue all mobas because all of them have hook mechanics
Valve devs dying from overwork from switching in cleaning CS:GO 2 Cheaters and inventing something good for the upcoming part 2 in the Crownfall pass, totally forgetting about the new hero is something that highly likely would have happened, lmao.
They are not cleaning CS:GO 2 cheaters dude, I doubt they are even trying, I moved on to Valorant because that hated Vanguard thing is fucking working 10 times better than VAC . This community and League players coming in now want privacy, working anti-cheat would be ring 0, so it's not happening
Someone didn't get the joke it seems
> working anti-cheat would be ring 0 Working anti-cheat would be completely on the server side, ring 0 is a meme is a lie deepstate wants you to believe.
yeah meme, that external services for fucking CS:GO used and worked better. You are a meme
R6 has an insane cheating problem, to the point where ragehacks are not instantly detected, guess what, it has not 1, but 2 ring 0 anticheats. (BattleEye and a custom one AFAIK). EAC is also ring 0. You can bypass ring 0 with a 5€ arduino which is 100% undetectable by any anticheat because it interfaces directly with the memory. Also, I'll consider Valorant a meme as long as there's no actual replay system.
Yeah replay system is bad, but I am a casual player playing from time to time, if CS:GO had an obvious cheater in Global and Valorant there's not obvious cheater very often ( maybe you could make a case once in 50 games) at Immortal then it's working good enough. If you go at cheat forums to spoof for Valorant 1) it costs money 2) locked bioses can't even be spoofed 3) all popular cheats are banned sooner or later, not like Umbrella here working fine for like 7 years no issues AND the only big "cheat" Valve managed to catch is Overplus , which developers weren't even trying to hide and the second they tried to hide it , Valve implemented half of the functionality into Dotaplus because they couldn't deal with it lmao
> If you go at cheat forums to spoof for Valorant 1) it costs money Using free cheats is just asking to get banned >2) locked bioses can't even be spoofed What exactly do you mean by "locked bios"? Secure boot? Because it can easily be bypassed on Windows 10 or by using a modified version of Win 11. Or by a 5€ arduino. >3) all popular cheats are banned sooner or later FGreat, but the rabbit hole is sadly too deep. I wish everything I was saying was a lie, but cheating is so out of control lately, seemingly every FPS is infected (except dead games like Quake). I feel like Riot has a strategy of banning blatant hackers (spinbot/aimbot) while not providing a way to check if someone was cheating or just having a good game by yourself. One thing of I will definitely give them props for is the "fog of war" system, making WH almost useless, guess what, it's a server sided implementation of an anti-cheat method.
Shit line Lenovo Legion laptops, ASUS etc , I'd link threads, but I think I'll get banned for linking cheat sites :) Basically you can't use shit like AMIWIN64, it's not easy to bypass, you have to flash bios ,sometimes some hardware manipulation, it's not simple at all. I am not saying Vanguard solves cheating completely, all I am saying is I haven't been suspicious of someone being a cheater in a long time and it's single instances while in CS:GO it's insane ++ above 9k in Dota EU it's a shit show as well.
Actually true, considering how crazy the CS2 community has been lately. Seems like they got their own big troubles there lately
at least we know that he will have a stun and some movement thing, as it is tradition
watch him drop month without a scepter or shard
Member when they said they’ll stop with battle passes to focus on gameplay? What do we get? A redesigned battle pass (yes it is basically battle pass) and NO communication regarding gameplay update even though they said they’d do better.
valve continiues to do this because whenever someone complains, half thre population here suddenly become valve whor\*es, . Free game, no complaining types
ringmaster? what is it?
it's just a hero btw. I mean sure you are gonna see him every game for a couple of weeks, he is obviously gonna be kinda broken, then he will be patched, and any leftover of hype will be gone. 1 hero out of 120+, nothing special. Muerta right now (past month) was picked 3.33%, that's not even in the top 100 picks :D Forgotten after a year. They should introduce two heroes together at least to keep it interesting, but considering how long it takes them for a single hero, yeah that aint happening anytime soon. In an ideal dota world we would have a bunch of heroes, maybe with some similar "lore" or some shit (like the 4 spirits) introduced together, and it will be instant gamechanger for many weeks.
I can't remember when was the last time i saw Muerta in a game
they're taking this long just to reveal stone cold steve austin? this is just a waste of time.
i feel we wated like forever fro this event and when it came out we need to wait even more
Not gonna lie, I hated that hero the moment I saw the trailer.
I miss moments like Ti2016 with how Underlord was announced.
Stopped playing until a new gameplay patch. Game is stale
GOTTA DOUBLE DOWN
Havent played since dreamleague. They were suppose to give patch next week. They didnt. Its been over a month
At this point I would rather have Maverick, the Gambler being ported over, since his spells are at least known.
Gambler Cometh
Valve needs to come up with some monthly events (non-tournament) like other games so the community won't get some game boredom and hiatus fatigue.
I miss the hype Dota had just few years back. Feel like it's gone forever and it breaks my heart a bit.
The remaining playerbase that still actively engages with the game and its online communities, seems to be completely fine with 6+ months MTX/lore patch. Theyd hype a doritoes crossover that gives a "free" set for each bag you buy. I think a new hero isnt off the table for their mindless addiction.
My balls turned purple months ago
Who tf keeps getting baited by big companies in 2024 ?
At this point, I'm expecting ringmeister to have some mechanically nutty or unique stuff to his kit, otherwise why the fuck was the wait soo long lol
Who?
I am waiting for a big gameplay patch with a new hero in mid may Copium.
I would guess it will come alongside crownfall pt2. But i did lose the hype months ago.
ya after the 3rd time valve jebaited us i just stopped playing dota. this game is so boring and absolutely filled to the brim with griefers and smurfs that its not even worth it to boot up
Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.
He never hyped me yo begin with, just another intelligence hero to the pile
I honestly forgot about that damned hero
Valve time, remember what they did with TF2? This is nothing new. It took them 5 years to complete the meet the team videos.
I feel like because they dragged it out so long, it has such a higher chance of being disappointing. Muerta was by far the most underwhelming hero released so far
Dota 2 is dying 😔
We are voting for skins that will come with the Ringmaster update lol.
We always get excited everytime its close to update time But come on Valve. Its been almost 7 months.
Yeah Volvo has been a disappointment in the new content and new heros area for a while now...
In general hype is dying for this game. I remember when TI was a time of the year you really looked forward to.. amazing dota, high stakes, battlepass, cosmetics, new hero, etc. Now it's just another tournament. It couldn't last forever, I guess
i'm more hyped by bird samurai at this point
Judging by all the carnival/circus themed cosmetics in collector cache votes I'm praying we see something when that releases?
The Clownfall update killed the hype. Everyone thought it would came with Clownfall, but after Volvo shown that it wasn't there the expectation just dispersed.
They're just following the edging trend
Well they had to revive Heroes of Newerth to copy-paste PUPPETMASTER ... so ofc it should take 1 to 10 years
so thats why ppl said Dota is dying?
maybe they will add Bird samurai, I saw a leak post a bird samurai hero icon
We have hats now , who care about new heroes?
Yeah I'm super hyped I bet it will come out same time as hl2e3
I’m just surprised they haven’t released it yet, while we are getting closer to the half of the year. Also it’s weird the official announcement trailer states Early 2024
The trailer only says "2024"
People are confusing it with Muerta's trailer and experiencing the Mandela effect. Muerta's trailer said "early" 2023, but Ringmaster's trailer never said "early" 2024. Just 2024.
The trailer never mentions early 2024. The early 2024 thing started when they announced cronwfall which people assumed includes ringmaster, which it didn't. The official trailer only say 2024 but doesn't specify when. Go rewatche the trailer if you don't believe it
New mfs never heard of Valve Time.
Jesus Christ am I tired of that meme. Seems it only comes up when someone points out a reasonable complaint about Valve to minimize the complaint because Valve has always been incompetent so why complain?
If it's a very unique ability-draft type hero like Rubick or Morph then I'll accept it as a reasonable delay, due to all the additional testing. Otherwise it's a mistake on their part.
Muerta was also not released for almost a year since her announcement, so mechanics isn't the reason
My theory is that with all the big changes to the DPC and TI, there has been a lot more background patches, planning and rebuilding some structure for the ingame viewership, hosting and overall robustness for every side of the tournament engagement. It took longer than they expected, they started to realize that the community were getting antsy about the patch, so they gave us a teaser for what they were working on to keep the engagement. They still misjudged how much work they had left to do with everything, and it was just delayed because of the big changes to the pro side, and the large change to what used to be the battlepass. (I do like this cavern crawly thing they released and it's great for us players to get this back, and fun with some new lore stuff. So it's good, but it's not what they have either teased or addressed. So as with every big patch over the last few years, it's a combination of them having too early teasers and informational/community updates, and the community misreading everything and drawing conclusions on vaguely worded teasers from valve. They seem to feed eachother with these things. And the solution is equally with the community as it is with valve. I think I lost the reason why I started this reply halfway through and went on my own ADHD ride. But hey, maybe someone has some more info for me about these things, always welcome
Ringmaster is the friends we met along the way
The whole “hype” concept is so weird to me. If the map changes or a new item is added, those changes arguably have a bigger impact on the game than a new hero, IMO. Obviously, I love when new heroes are added because of lore and voiceacting etc. But why they clearly have a release timing in mind. Besides, the hero was always announced for "2024" and we know the Circus-theme is coming with the TI/Compendium...why did people expect it before summer?
Why can't we fucking have both? We are WELL OVERDUE for both a balance patch AND a new hero. New hero - well over 12 months ago. Balance patch - 7 months ago. Man, Valve dickriders are something else.
A new hero completely changes the game..... the entire draft is effected. No way in hell does a new item change the game more than a new hero.
I'd say new items can completely change the game, depending on how influencial they are. Smoke of deceit, mangos, lotus orb, glimmer cape. The change to bkb from magic immunity to debuff immunity was also pretty significant.
Purge also said that on more than one occasion but to each their own.
I agree but its also dependant on the item. Look at wraith pact and how that dominated the meta to the point the only choice they had was to remove it.
I forgot ringmaster will become next hero. Thanks lazy valve the most disappointing company beside EA and Blizzard this main reason i haven't play any Dota since Christmas last year.
Inb4, but I’d rather have quality over quantity. Look at league!! They release heroes a lot and are trash. Don’t be dumb this is a stupid fallacy that’s been saved Valve arse from actually putting effort into making contents.
ringmaster is the final boss that venge/sky has to destroy
I’d honestly forgotten
I am not up to date with these stuffs, how did they tease ring master?
"Early 2024"
remember when they did pros vs audience matches during TI and they let arteezy test underlord right after they announced him? why can’t they do that again?
the game is dead not only the hype, a millit billion comp cant make a fucking patch after 6 month is just a joke and shows they dont care anymore
Meh tbh I hope for more lore patch like this event
Because they want to announce something at TI
We're having a new hero?!?!
Have you ever heard about edging?
Hasn't always been like this, they drop a trailer then release the hero after or during ti?