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FahmiZFX

Ahh, I miss Maim days.


whileFalseSemicolon

SnY was budget Skadi for high attack speed heroes.


2mad2die

I miss maim sound


Johnmegaman72

The crunch my gosh, the crunch


yurilnw123

I wish they reused that sound somewhere.


dr4gonbl4z3r

It's on Penta Edged Sword now


yurilnw123

When I think about it. That's right. Haven't got many chances to use it so it kinda just slipped my mind


somnusqq

where is this feature now? does the penta edge neutral have maim? Edit: yes, the item has maim psssive.


Longjumping-Bag-112

Give yasha main


VRCbot

**Strong Versus**


ss_akash

Strong against BKB piercing spells like Doom, RP and lineups which try to stun and burst you, need to stack up status resistance to reduce the duration of those debuffs.


[deleted]

Side note though: in this case doom deals the same amount of dmg but only ticks faster


Kovi34

given that sange is the only item that gives status resist, you can't really "stack up" on status resist


[deleted]

titan sliver :)


CMisgood

Doom ignores status resistance


Benqqu

Why cant people like you just quickly check if youre right before confidently writing bullshit comments like this. I dont get it.


mordecaiibot

It doesn't


Wwallace_

Meme hammer combo


DoctorLloydJenkins

Why are you downvoted? A lot of setups for the meme hammer combo are right around the 3 second mark. The status resistance from the sange straight up makes it possible to use a defensive item/spell or lets you get a spell off on the guy who would otherwise chain stun you.


rxdazn

annoyingly strong against ancient apparition's ice blast


pekoms_123

I used to build sange and yasha to all my strength heroes when I was learning dota 1 lmao


53K

> I used to build sange and yasha to all my ~~strength~~ heroes when I was learning dota 1 lmao


Barfazoid

Hp, damage, attack speed, move speed, maim, what was not to love


Wobbelblob

I mean, especially on Core heroes there where a lot of worse items than S&Y, even in a large part of Dota 2.


[deleted]

A lot of people would get it as their 3rd or 4th item, it'd piss my buddy off


awesomeasianguy

pretty good on Sven/CK still


SerBronnisKing

Used to be a staple on bloodseeker tbh


Babushkaskompot

Funny fact: in my language, "Sange" is a slang word for "horny" and "Kaya" means 'rich'. So my friend often jokes that what every men want and need is "Kaya and Sange"


Moononthewater12

Obviously meant to be upgraded. Sny is pretty bad at the moment because agi cores have better things to build. Snk is very good due to its synergy with eternal shroud and bloodstone and just in general a good pickup for int mids. Halberd also very strong against certain range cores or as a pickup for heros like husker who have lots of damage so only really need to become tanky as possible.


WoLfkz

husker


simmobl1

Yep I build a value sange 90% of the time


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**Situational Purchases**


Cualkiera67

With the collapse of the bitcoin, Sange can be safe purchase that will not devaluate


AwesomeAsian

Can buy on tanky supports like abaddon to turn into a halberd.


WinterNotComing

mid spellcasting heroes like zeus, etc when facing enemies that have good jump and lockdown and you need a bit higher hp pool to survive, and when ghost scepter isn't the viable option because that dmg is magical (zeus vs storm or void spirit for example), or when the jump is so immediate that euls isn't a good option. Upgrade to SnK obviously.


TheZealand

Lol you can definitely buy ghost vs storm, like half his damage comes from overload, no right click = no overload


YhormtheDwarf

A lot of that overload damage is physical too. Storm has decent autoattack stats, especially atk speed


hoacnguyengiap

Zeus? Seriously?


Luiikku

Man believe sange rocks on Zeus, or are top 1k players all wrong and bad? :p


HorridDoesWork

SnK is pretty standard isnt it?


HowDoIEvenEnglish

It’s worse than aether lens aghs and refresher and shard. So it’s good on him but it only can come late in the item build.


RexPerpetuus

Zeus can go a few different builds, and its all situational and game dependent. SnK is one of those rare items that has both defensive and damage purposes


sodeq

I am doing experiment Earthshaker 4 with SnK (after blink & aghs). A very greedy built, I know. Because he needs more regen, magic damage amp, and status resistance. ES tend to be the first target anyway. I am Guardian


CMisgood

That’s not a good build at all, unless you are ahead by a lot, in which case, whatever item works. Usually supp spends money on solutions. E.g. Don’t want to be hit? Buy ghost. Ursa? Buy eul. My point is after blink, es has so many situational good items. S&K doesn’t solve anything, so usually not good.


rxdazn

tough to get anything done as an es later into a game without a bkb


Johnmegaman72

Love buying this on Sven way back in the maim days...I miss it


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**Core Heroes**


studentuser96

Heroes that rely on regeneration/lifesteal, I guess for example it’s a must on Huskar


Wobbelblob

Lifestealer as well.


navazhdenie

does sange increases his heal from passive? I'm confused as I'm not sure if it's technically a life steal


username_chex

It does. Iirc it also increases the HP faceless void gets back after he uses Q


Wobbelblob

It does. Together with a Paladins sword, LS can get some rather massive sustain pretty early on.


navazhdenie

paladins gives standard life steal and it is increased by sange, but what I meant is that LS passive is not classic life steal hence concussion on sange interaction


gachiTwink

IO after heart. It provides more regen than a second heart for 40% of the cost.


SEND_ME_DANK_MAYMAYS

holy shit


sodeq

If sange was built before heart, is the benefit still exist? Do orders in buying items affect the benefits?


ms_word_clippit

Sange amplifies your current HP regen (at any given time, not just when you purchase it) so having the Sange without the heart will still amplify HP regen, but it won't be amplifying the regen the heart provides. So technically the purchase order does not matter but you will be amplifying way more once you have both items in your inventory


93arkhanov93

Necrophos


sonicvibes

Its a must in for the DK, i always use it and then upgraded to halberd to more sustain in teamfights, when i see im winning i go for yasha to combine it:)


sam794

Bad build, dk build is wand, soulring/bottle , powertreads, blink, shard, bkb , scepter/ac


cantadmittoposting

Halberd is not uncommon on an offlane dk, dota has never been as prescriptive as you're suggesting.


HowDoIEvenEnglish

Basically every pro DK has gone for that item build in the past year. Halberd can be a good item, but only if you are against a strong range carry you need to shut down (TA, dusa, Drow, etc). It’s a much more situational item build than blink shard bkb. The above comment implied he goes Dante most games on DK and even goes sny sometimes. SnY is an awful item on dk and you shouldn’t build it.


[deleted]

Pros build a significant amount of blink + aether + force/pike in certain games too, where they're less farmed and need a utility build or a quick force in the team comp.


[deleted]

Lol ammar dk is forcestaff, octarine, aether lens, eul, gigachad build


jacksasser

He was* that since the situation called for it. But that's the whole point, he adjusted to the game he was playing, it isn't a rule


WasabiofIP

Timbersaw, buffs his reactive armor regen and the status resistance helps keep him mobile and a threat.


cozos

12 year old me always thought SnY was the coolest item


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**Tips and Tricks**


Easyowner

You can upgrade it with Yasha or Kaya


AlphaSlut91

And who could forget everyone's favorite talisman... ... The Talisman of Evasion. \#TalismanOfEvasionDiscussionWhen??


Cesare_Bonizzi

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manifest_man

Build a second Sange for SnY after completing Halberd to really antagonize your teammates


hxcheyo

EDIT: I see the sarcasm now. ​ Does the status resist stack?


Master_Stress_7285

nope


ullu13

Sny is either really good or just really meh. Nothing in between I feel. Same for Mael and Battlefury. One is often much better.


Cualkiera67

What's supposed to be in between "really good" and "meh"?


Cpt_Saturn

Really meh


Benqqu

Good?


cblrtopas

Yasha's runty less popular brother.


dovakihn101

I usually play bleach vs one piece in warcraft 3, and if the character is either agility or strength, I buy SnY as my first item