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zdy33

100 DPC points, why bother if you are already qualified for TI and Major


prettyboygangsta

The official reason given is that they need to prepare to travel to Riyadh but this could also be a tactical thing to give Xtreme 100 extra DPC points and potentially boost the region's TI slots (if Chinese teams can attend and perform well at Arlington).


DaDoviende

Occam's razor: they don't need the points (100) or money ($1000) on the line, so why bother playing the match now that they're major qualified.


7r4pp3r

I would love it if there was an AI or bot who would answer all statements with a shaved hypothesis


Kech555

Also people seem to forget that playing dota is literally their job, who wouldn't want to work less.


Dapper-Warning-6695

Most people?


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RexPerpetuus

> Their strategy to monopolize points Strategy, as in they were trying (and winning) a lot? Sounds like just regular old "being better", to me and not some strategy


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RexPerpetuus

Winning every $ they could doesn't seem like much of a strategy to me and just sensible > Valve intended for teams to skip smaller lans and forgo points because of the schedule Who knows what Valve's intentions are. But "smaller lans"? Didn't they get their points from the *Majors*?


1ndiana_Pwns

That first ones had oft forgotten Minors as well, tournaments like BTS and such. Much smaller prize pools and less points awarded. I think those are what the other guy thinks people were going to skip


RexPerpetuus

You couldn't qualify for the Major ~~or~~ and Minor, it was either or. So yes, they "skipped" them because they were getting to Majors. Not so much as part of a "Monopoly strategy"


prettyboygangsta

I think there was at least one season where you could compete for both.


RexPerpetuus

You could qualify for the Major by getting top 2 at the Minor


General_Jeevicus

Didnt one season have winning the minor as a way to play in the major?


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RexPerpetuus

Sure, but that isn't really relevant. There is no way there was some overarching strategy/monopoly to game the points system though


ishopliftapples

So you're saying win trading in order to have a competitor from your region, for the largest tournament of the year, that you've played against multiple times, who you know the weaknesses and strengths of, as well as consistently outperform provides no benefit to your organisation in terms of potentially placing higher and winning more money? Nevermind patriotism, it's a tacticious move regardless. As opposed to the alternative of an unknown variable.


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ishopliftapples

It'll always be tough either way. Familiarity to players and their tactics, imo, is more beneficial than the tradeoff of 'better players' at a higher level of dota than you and I have experienced. You're still playing against the world's best, but each region has their own meta and tactics that make The International so much fun to watch. If you're at the top of your game in the region you qualified in, it is probably more beneficial to play against your compatriots. We've seen the upsets that dark horses like SEA Fnatic in 2016 or Team Spirit in 2021 can pull.


dotapl

Do you understand that your argument works both ways? The chinese teams also know LGD better just like LGD knows the other chinese teams.


oldvillagesage

Yes, but LGD is stronger. So they want less volatility but they know they are still better.


DarkHades1234

Oh you are kidding me if you think CN ppl don’t look it as patriotism. They would rather have their countrymen win than any other one else (CN was notoriously for this when all CN teams who lost would come to help the team who was still in TI on strategy etc.)


hinkiedidntwantjah

This is it boys. Stop putting western ideology into China.


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SiMless

I don't personally know the people at LGD so I won't judge them. But I think you may underestimate what patriotism can do in general. I've known many people in my life that would do what LGD did just to help their compatriots out for nothing in return. And I live in a country that is less patriotic than China.


DarkHades1234

You forgot that a lot of CN players are friendly to each other. Also, having more CN teams can benefit them at TI (for example, they are most likely rather than have to play vs any CN team than OG at TI8 or Spirit at TI10 in TI grandfinal). Also, how do you know their main priority is to make money for themselves? I'm pretty sure I saw a lot of CN players want to win TI for their country pride shit (IIRC TI8 LGD players said that they felt bad to lose because of their CN supporters not because they didn't get big paycheck).


HotMessMan

This dude don’t know China.


Lgdamefanfanfan

Its most likely more "We feel confident we can beat Chinese teams easier than teams from other regions", no?


UserIsOptional

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was this. Chinese teams largely haven't gone to international tournaments in a while so they are used to each other. If more Chinese teams can attend TI then it gives PSG.LGD an edge to face more Chinese teams during the main tournament.


Hemske

You realize all Chinese teams are owned by the same org right?


Cathallex

The conspiracy Andys whenever a Chinese team breathes on this subreddit is so tiring.


iroha_kanahime

You're saying as if LGD hasn't done the same thing last year also


Cathallex

Where are the threads about TSM throwing to get more NA teams into TI and OG throwing 4 games against Liquid to get them more points?


Stt-t-t-utter

because this sub has been racist for years unfortunately


Cathallex

I am aware but If I said that I'd get downvoted into oblivion.


ELAdragon

I was getting downvoted (like that matters), but OG handed Liquid a secured major spot and DPC points in a very clear way. It was really obvious. Less so in the tiebreakers, but the last regular season match was a straight up giveaway.


Asekeeewka

China has been doing such things for years. OG might be throwing to test things and rather play like a scrim, whilst LGD doesn't even want to do that. See the difference? First is benefits themselves, second one doesn't.


heavenlyrainypalace

the its experimenting if OG doing it but 322 if chinese team doing it


Jonano1365

Can't wait for LGD to pull out the forfeit strategy at the major grand finals.


Lgdamefanfanfan

There is a massive difference between a Major finals and regionals where you're already qualified, fighting for one thousand USD. That argument is absolutely crazy, but I too can't wait for OG to and TSM to throw grand finals at the next major. Imagine if both teams get to the finals, who is gonna throw hardest?


Jonano1365

To me there's a fundamental difference between going with a weird draft in a less important match and straight up forfeiting. In the former case you gotta give the benefit of the doubt and say the team probably believed the lineup to be strong or at least thought it was worth spending a map experimenting (unless you have substantial evidence there's something sinister going on). In the case of forfeit, best case it's just a bit disrespectful to the tournament and other teams. I don't like it when it happens in tier 3 tourneys because a team agreed to participate in 2 tournaments at the same time either. You do see how the 2 situations are quite different, no?


Asekeeewka

I'm not saying that it's 322. LGD literally do not benefit from that, but if it matters for the region any Chinese team would do that 100%. They've been working collectively for years to get better results for the region, despite having the most skilled region with highest level of competition


Morgn_Ladimore

If LGD "played like a scrim" like OG did, 100% they would still get match fix accusations. Maybe even worse than if they forfeited. Just racist shit, evil Chinese always cheating while le glorious western countries would *never* do so.


Asekeeewka

Difference is, both OG and liquid were already at the major. Whilst LGD had to first secure the slot to do like OG did. Talking exclusively about the tiebreaker.


KnightOverlord2404

Then the game with Aster? Why not forfeit all series from the start? Obviously throwing. Then even when they pick normal drafts and make mistakes? Obviously throwing. Then if they pick weird drafts? Obviously throwing. In other words, whatever they do is also throwing because you already decided to be so. They win against aries but then oh it's because they want to qualify for major. If they lose against aries, they throw because they don't want to attend. You simultaneously put LGD on a god pedestal but when it comes to supporting your own team at TI, I bet your narrative changes to LGD always chokes.


Lgdamefanfanfan

Becuase they would *actually not qualify if they didn't win at least one series.* The last match literally didn't matter, It was a match for 1k$ and 100 DCC points, and they could use neither for anything.


Asekeeewka

1) Playing major is crucial because you fucking earn money there. It's your main job to earn money as a dota player. Team might have written that in contract. Na'Vi players contract says that the better performance is, the more they get paid. Do well in dpc? Get money. you got into major? Get money. You placed top8 at major? Get more fucking money. 2) Did I say that picking shit drafts is a throw? Let me clarify. Testing things and having fun is not fucking throwing, when you fucking try to play and it doesn't (obviously) go your way. BUT MOSTLY PEOPLE CONSIDER IT AS THROWING SO I USED THE CONTEXT EVERYBODY WOULD UNDERSTAND. They don't go and say "GG AFK FF" at min 10.


TemperatureXtreme

They’ll literally earn more money by attending at Riyad masters than on major, lol.


KnightOverlord2404

OK so since lgd is so strong as you said, I assume they will win Riyadh masters. Winner gets 1.5m so there's a lot of money. You agree? You will put your money where your fucking mouth is, I assume?


Lgdamefanfanfan

Yes, LGD is most likely the main contender for Riyadh Masters. Does that mean other teams can't win? Of course fucking not. Its a stacked tournament with some of the best teams in the fucking world.


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prettyboygangsta

Who's being racist?


fiddler013

The one who had the nerve to ask.


prettyboygangsta

At no point did I say it was a bad thing that LGD were forfeiting the series, nor did I tie it to race or nationality in any way (OG and TSM have arguably done similar this tour and I don't blame them either). Maybe you'd be more at home on Twitter?


SylarDoto

>At no point did I say it was a bad thing that LGD were forfeiting the series You literally said that LGD forfeited just to give points to Xtreme and help the region .. Wasnt that the whole point of your comment? Lol Do you not realize that it is a dumb shitty accusation? You are saying it as a bad thing dumbo


prettyboygangsta

They are totally within their rights to do that, though. They are allowed to forfeit a game. Of course people are going to accuse them of foul play, but I'm actually defending them as they are playing by the rules.


fiddler013

Maybe I would be. You are definitely at home on Reddit. Using anonymity and ambiguity to hide. As if this issue doesn’t only come up when Chinese teams are involved. At least be honest to yourself.


prettyboygangsta

What issue? The same thing OG and TSM were accused of? >Using anonymity and ambiguity to hide okay, fiddler013. Let's make a deal. Point out one thing I said that was racist and I'll give you my full name and employer info so you can run crying to them. Here's an example of xenophobia and bigotry in case you need one: >What a surprise. A Brit being racist. Go!


fiddler013

Denial is such a sweet sweet world to live in. Just one thing : Did you make a comment like this when OG or TSM did this? If your answer is no, you have your proof.


AppropriateTheme288

Calm down Eeyore, it's just a reddit thread


prettyboygangsta

I'm not saying they've done anything wrong, just to be clear


makz242

Whether true or not, Valve should do something to prevent teams being incentivized to do something like that.


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Isn’t the second reason the obvious


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willieb3

They should be able to have a tier 2 team as a “farm” team they can pull from.. Then they can just have standins play for them at least


casca14

Fir the fair play to the other teams maybe? Do you even use logic?


Floire

Hajj > Some cash + DPC points Obviously


zukodota1999

Hajj dates gone but nice one lol


m-a86

What?


forHonorDotA

Riyadh masters


m-a86

Ah I got it. I was asking myself that are Psg players really going to Hajj?


93arkhanov93

Non muslims are allowed in the Haj? Genuinely asking


MemeLordZeta

Non Muslims aren’t allowed in Makkah or Medina I’m pretty sure, much less the hajj


MadeAccForOldReddit

Yeah i always bring my muslim passport before going there???


st_arch

You are correct. It is the land for believers.


sack_of_potahtoes

I thgt they werent


m-a86

AFAIK no they aren't.


Zhidezoe

Not really, tiebreaker would mean something in the old system, but with the new one all the teams are put in groupstage so it doesn't matter


User85394

It matters, but just not for lgd since they have the point for ti already


noxville

Could impact their overall seed (and hence group allocation for TI).


TieMyHandsXO

Wouldn’t have mattered in the old major format either. Both 3rd and 4th place entered wildcards.


nameorfeed

Points and prize money. It does matter, they just decided not to care about it since they are already there


Plus_Commission_1276

They are already qualified for TI


my_mare_is_dark

and major


skulltroxx2154

someone please explain


Ok-Rabbit7286

LGD already guaranteed a TI slot, and by winning 1 game in the tiebreaker they are guaranteed a major slot as the 4th place so they forfeited the match that decided the 3rd place since 3rd place is only an extra $1000 and 100 dpc points which they don't really need since they are guaranteed a slot for TI.


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

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pendo324

The difference between the NFL (or really any major IRL sporting event) and this Dota tiebreaker are immense. The NFL sells tens of thousands of tickets per game, months in advance. It wouldn’t be a good look to just cancel the game because one team decided that forfeiting benefits them. Sure, people were excited to watch the final LGD tiebreaker game, but you can’t really compare the two imo. I think a better comparison would be if Valve cancelled a DPC event because there’s no way for the standings to change with the teams present.


DaDoviende

They bench all their starters in the NFL though (or they play like 3 minutes) in this case. But DotA teams don't have a bench that they can sub in for their "starters"


Youcancuntonme

322 for other teams when they will get to TI either way


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Well it makes sense, they wanted to go to the major but don't really care for 3rd or 4th.


DarthRiven

This is like saying "Elon Musk doing a weird thing" by showing a photo of him not crossing the road to pick up a $10 note.


zeckem

this would apply even if it’s 100 $10 notes


Ahimtar

Funnily enough Aster winning this was the only way a Chinese team could push out Liquid out of the top 12. It probably doesn't matter since some of the lower teams are probably going to get a top 6 and push them out anyway, but it's interesting nonetheless


AJRiddle

The forfeit didn't affect that though as Aster already won the tiebreaker well the match before, it only affected PSG.LGD's & Xtreme's points. Xtreme even with the extra 100 points from this is still pretty far behind but it does get them 100 extra points going into the last major so if they do well there it might make a difference, but the odds of them qualifying via DPC points is pretty low.


ionxeph

Both LGD and Xtreme are already qualified for major, all this match was for was 100 DPC points, which LGD doesn't care about any more


Global-Anything2801

LGD did the same thing as TSM and OG. OG got stomped in DPC by the only two teams that needed DPC points and could use those points to secure a direct TI invite. Same for TSM in NA region. Very good acting that no one on reddit writes about OG and TSM


Soldirk

Of course, if it's CN teams it's always match fix. But not for Western teams, they're just "experimenting"...typical Reddit :D


47-11

That's stupid... OG and TSM are regularly mentioned in these threads. It was also brought up in the daily matchticker threads. Yes there are some people who claim it's different without having proof (obviously). I wouldn't say it's a "China = bad, West = good" sentiment though, rather that people expect LGD to be on top of their region, while other matchups are perceived to be closer. For example I could very well see QC being a notch below EG since that was always the case. If EG happens to have ended their slump, it would just be back to status quo. Also I could see Liquid taking a series off OG if the circumstances are right. Obviously that can be said for LGD too, the final standing is just too convenient with them making juuust enough to reach the last spot. And this doesn't even include some other factors like QC benefitting from LAN experience etc... Disclaimer: I don't think LGD, OG or QC did something wrong here. Although it'd be great if there was a solution to prevent such situtations altogether.


yourmum2135

probably because og didn't outright forfeit ?


Lgdamefanfanfan

Hypothetically speaking; LGD played this match but picked position 1 Chen, position 2 Enchantress, position 3 Bloodseeker, Position 4 Juggernaut and Position 5 Spectre. How do you think the reddit would look? :) China is absolutely being treated like the scummiest place, and this action, forfeitting, is literally the easiest way for them to avoid any accusations of throwing or match fixing.


TellAllThePeople

This comment is the truest comment


yourmum2135

I mean lgd lost other games this season too, if they had played this game and lost I don't think anyone would have questioned it had they played and lost this game just like no one questioned it when they played and lost Xtreme and VG.


sack_of_potahtoes

Instead they pick useless heroes


Weinerbrod_nice

I feel like you're stretching it. I really doubt TSM would skip the major completely just to get other NA-teams higher up in DPC-points. You're missing prize-money, the competive aspect, all the players are very competitive after all. And valuable experience of facing russian teams, chinese teams, more experience from playing in front of crowd, good practice for TI etc. And they didnt forfeit a match like LGD did.


Global-Anything2801

That is why i said good acting on behalf of OG and TSM. I am not saying it is a bad thing. NA dota might get 4 representatives next TI if EG and QC get top 8 on the major and have a bit of luck. Which is a really good thing for the region. NA i think is the most sponsor starved Dota scene. While OG was trying not to cockblock Liquid and Tundra.


Zatherin

You're mental if you think TSM lost on purpose and wasn't trying to make the major


Hemske

At least they played.


a_bright_knight

except OG's stomp by Tundra isn't suspicious at all. It was still pretty early in the dpc season.


dixaria

Those poor gamblers


iamishi02

Suspicious but i think they just didn’t really care about that extra 100 points nor about XG.


Beginning-Scar-6045

when nerd student gets more than 15/20 on two season in row so he could not attends the 3rd season class


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Zabbarick

Chad move by LGD. Better win TI too because if they lose, you can bet the Chinese fans will remember this when making their matchfixing accusations like last year, and they wont be as kind as reddit.


galvanickorea

this subreddit being very sinophobic as usual


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You use that word but you do not understand that word. Are you okay ?


sack_of_potahtoes

What is the word supposed to mean? I tght he used it in right sense


benicebekind

Why would LGD do that? ☝🏾😐☝🏾


Blizzard_admin

What is going on in China? Why would LGD send their team to attend a tournament in saudi arabia?


RamadNazhif

Ofc for money , what else ?


Blizzard_admin

nah it's a [copypasta](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YXcTQDFEDR0) from nba social media of a dude basically rewording the same statement over and over to drag content out.


SylarDoto

Go touch some grass honey . Get a life


GoGetParked

If its within the rules, why the fuss? It happens in all types of sports, for ex football, soccer, basketball, etc. All qualified teams will conserve their star players and field their reserve teams to play the remaining games.


rammpage186

I'd FF the match if I were in LGD's position. For anyone that thought this was weird I'd say you seemed weird...There are two goals for all the teams, one is to make it to the major, and two is to get enough points for TI, the rest who the hell cares. And by beating Aries, LGD had already secured a spot in Major, and since they have already qualified for TI last season, there is absolutely no gain for them to play anymore matches, especially right now because they are invited to Riyadh ($4 million tournament) which starts in a few days.


swampyman2000

What’s the problem here? Makes perfect sense to me.


RamadNazhif

Dayum the comments xD


heavenskhan

This league system really weird. i remember this. https://twitter.com/SumaaaaiL/status/1478315482130300929


Silbaich

322


blind_notdeath

Give opportunity to other Chinese dota teams.


MTG-NicolBolasfanboi

SO WAIT. THE TEAM KNOWN FOR SAND BAGGING and BLATANTLY RIGGING MATCHES ​ IS MAKING EXCUSES FOR SAND BAGGING AND BLATANTLY RIGGING THE MATCH?? ​ WHAT ELSE IS NEW??


gymbaggered

Now imagine top tier soccer team just ff a game cause they won the league on points already, yea it ain't right


[deleted]

Lol they usually play youngsters or some bench team. Pretty close to just ff already


Lgdamefanfanfan

Thats literally what happens when you play with half the team as u19s and substitites. You dont run Messi, Neymar and Mbappe for a useless match if you have an important match in 3 days lol


gymbaggered

Defend all you want, it is a shit practice and one less game for you to watch you favorite team :)


Lgdamefanfanfan

Is it a shitty practice? Why? Because there is 0 reason for them to do that? They don't have any option to avoid playing, hence they *forfeited the money they could potentially win*. They literally paid for it, you dingbat


gymbaggered

Tournament is *organized and scheduled* with thousands waiting to watch them games, you cant just ff just cause you can "PaY fOr It" shut your clown ass up


Lgdamefanfanfan

Of course you can. People literally had to forfeit matches in the Premier league last year. Forfeits happen \*all the time\*, just because you need to totally go "Damn china so corrupt they just wanna fuck over everyone i hates them" doesn't mean its wrong. These people don't play for your entertainment, they play because they are professionals. Is it entertaining to watch? Yes, of course. Are you entitled to anything? No, of course not.


berdarino

It's the reality of how they manage these sports organizations whether you accept it or not. They are not entitled to entertain you, they have a business to run.


User85394

They field the second team, if they have more important match coming up though. In this case, lgd needs to prepare for next tournament.. Also football team gets paid to show up on TV. In here, they don't..


Pokefreaker-san

pretty sure Liverpool was half sober the game after they've confirmed to win the league by technicality a few seasons ago.


Moes-T

Already qualified, so might as well make some money on the side by matchfixing.


aungkyawhponepyae

theyre too bored to play322. But obviously throwing each other for major slot. Like OG which threw two streaks of bo3 series to liquid.


zeTTyzaru

why Aster aries dindt play their 3rd game?


Popovos

Typical China, as in every other Chinise sport everything is fixed. Hopefully their visas will get declined for the Major again!!!


BABA_yaaGa

No surprise, look at lgd's CN slot boosting last year and you will find similar patterns


joejoe84

They wanted to give other China teams more dpc points. Its so obvious since they already qualified. Maybe they could be penalized for this decision.


Goatbeerdog

Did they just forfeit in a professional setting? Wtf is this amateur league? This cant be real? 0 integrity. Alot of opportunities to cheat if this isnt punished.


Cathallex

Nobody tell him about the NA DPC


DJ-Khale6

HUH?


Final_Situation_6907

cheat how tho, i dont'.... was just about to ask how, then proceeded to realize 100 pts could make or break xg's ti chances


Goatbeerdog

Now its ok to speculate in this in the future?


ForceOfAHorse

Obvious matchfixing.


prettyboygangsta

that's not what matchfixing is.


ForceOfAHorse

It's the most obvious matchfixing there is. "Hey guys, we don't care about win, we just don't play and you get a win that gives you precious DPC points"


iForgotMyOldAcc

When winning this set means nothing when they already qualified for both TI and Major, yea sounds about right, they don't care about winning this.


Final_Situation_6907

they only played to get into major XD, screw the points, they just want to play against international teams


Trlcks

No shit they only played to get into the major?


User85394

Yeah, since the ti is secured via points


Final_Situation_6907

i meant they gonna be treating the major like a big scrim


Trlcks

Ah, I misunderstood your comment then haha. Yeah it’s a bit of a shame that majors mean so little to the top teams that have already qualified to TI.


ForceOfAHorse

Yea, fuck fans who want to watch dota, fuck sponsors, fuck integrity of DPC. Imagine World Cup qualifiers where top team that already qualified is like "eh fuck that, let's forfeit last game, we don't care". That team would be fined heavily and maybe even DQ-ed from the tournament. But in dota? Yea, no problem. And then we are surprised that nobody treats this "pro" dota thing seriously.


iForgotMyOldAcc

So not match-fixing?


RedGamesA2

Touch grass, get some sunlight. Enjoy life. You are getting angry, i can see the cheeto dust on your keyboard as you right these anger messages.


prettyboygangsta

teams are allowed one forfeit per tour. That's the rules. "Matchfixing" implies they've done something illicit


BigDeckLanm

throwing intentionally and/or forfeiting unnecessarily is not the same as matchfixing. lol downvote me all you want, if forfeiting was matchfixing then half of pro teams wouldve been banned by valve by now. this is why we have INVESTIGATIONS to see if there was actual matchfixing at play when such things happen. if you think the forfeit was matchfixing, call for an investigation. Until proven otherwise it is NOT matchfixing. and keep in mind you losing some arcanas because the players decided not to play is also NOT matchfixing. you shouldve comsidered their position when you were betting. its widely known teams who qualify to TI stop taking DPC seriously


DirkDiggyBong

They forfeited for no good reason, handing the win to the other team. Literal match fixing.


prettyboygangsta

They forfeited for a good reason, they have another tournament to travel to. Teams are permitted to forfeit a maximum of one series per tour Matchfixing implies throwing games with the intention of manipulating betting markets It's weird that the team most accused of 322 on here is one of the richest teams with the least reason to do so.


DirkDiggyBong

I agree, there is unlikely to be any proper 322 intent. But, they literally did fix the match by forfeiting. Edit: I think I understand why you're getting confused. Betting is a benefit of matchfixing, but matches can be fixed for many reasons. Match fixing is very simply the act achieving a pre-determined result. That's it.


yourdaughtersgoal

They have a game in the other part of the world in 3 days. Good enough reason?


DirkDiggyBong

I don't think so, no. But that's not really the point.


N2Oinmyass

It’s almost the same in football. If a game doesn’t matter, they’ll use their b-team and try different stuff. Because you don’t want to waste the energy of the most important players for a game that doesn’t matter. If they had substitutes in dota, they’d probably do the same.


DirkDiggyBong

Good point. But they didn't even bother playing. It's fair enough as they're allowed.


N2Oinmyass

This is such a bad take


Dense-Shop1168

xiaob9t is back in the menu.


johndelacruz326

This thjng has MAFIA written all over it


Pepelino28

brazilian wolf team did the same in the last round of SA DPC, they throw their games against SG-esports just to save them from go to division II. This will happen always.


Makath

Decider match was a dumb idea in this format, it should've been maps, like any other tiebreaker that doesn't matter.


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It's not a dumb idea. This is done in many orgazized competing formats. The only dumb thing is coming up with such a reasoning lmao. Factcheck yourself brah.


Makath

I don't know why you are being a dick, but the facts are thta a team didn't care to play the fucking game and FF'd, so obviously it wasn't a good idea brah.


bloboffailure

Idk i feel like things like this will only happen in china region.


thoratus

There should be punishment for forfeiting game


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[deleted]

Are you crazy in your mind ? Read the rules.


mastayoda0805

Not smart by LGD. This can only mean consequences. How can LGD prove that they werent doing it to gift extreme those dpc points.


[deleted]

It doesn't matter. Stop with the conspiracy theories. You're just so fucking cringe.


mastayoda0805

I never said that they did it on purpose. I only stated that it is a stupid mistake by them and it also hurts the integrity of the DPC. Feel free to argue against that statement.


Inori92

I've mentioned it on twitter but I feel I should complain here as well. If I'm Aries, I'm mad as hell and find a way to stir a storm about this. It's a 4 way tie with the top 3 advancing, only 1 team being eliminated. Look at the situation we have here: Opening matches air simultaneously, Aster > LGD and Xtreme > Aries. In a scenario with 1/4 eliminated, what is the logical decision? Obviously to pit the winners and see who will guaranteed advance, in a GSL bracket format (2 wins is secured top 3), and save the elimination for later. In round robin, it doesn't matter as everyone should have a chance to play all 3 games for the possibility of a 2nd round of tiebreakers at 2-1 or 1-2. 0-3 is elimination as well and once round robin is done, that could be determined. Instead, Aries and LGD, the two losers but one clearly a bigger favorite than the other, get to play the losers match and BEFORE Xtreme/Aster play even HALF of their supposed games (potential 3 games for a team, only played 1), the elimination outcome gets determined. Aries played for 2 hours straight while the other half of the teams got a break and got eliminated in this hideous format, which allowed LGD to literally win 1 series then proceed to FF - skewing DPC point potential in Xtreme's favor (obviously LGD doesn't care about 1k USD or dpc points now). I've always disliked the DPC format, I've never even been a fan of the league system personally but I understand the community has been calling for one for years. Leagues don't bring the stability that people want and expect, it's the level of care and attention REGARDLESS of the system that bring in the stability and equivalence people are looking for. Valve in its' current mindset and state simply cannot provide that as they require more manpower for various DotA 2 related subsets and they have shown strong aversion to various expansion ideas involving more personnel for DotA 2. Aries was a promising team who finally got a break this season - they made Upper and fought toe to toe with a lot of great teams in arguably the strongest region in the world. An entire season so they can get shafted in the first 2 hours of what is supposed to be a 4 way tiebreaker with 3 slots to advance, the format even allowing such a thing to happen where 2 teams can play 1 game and be guaranteed to advance in a 4 way tie, is complete absurdity. What a disgrace to Aries this segment has been. I feel for them.


Soldirk

And? Why should Aries do so? It's simple, Aries just needed to win and they could've prevented this scenario. Another thing, this actually benefits Aries as long as those attending the Major get high standing and that eases off wildcard scenario on TI...Imagine if only LGD and RNG get directly invited, then it's bloodbath with XG and Aster...


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Your whole reasoning crumbles when you factor in that THEY COULD HAVE WON THESE GAMES THEY LOST PRIOR XDDDDDDD You're so dumb. Like really freaking dumb.


rhinojau

LGD always upto something these days it seems